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Hei. Vi har endel eksterne lenker på no.wp som er lagt inn manuelt (uten mal). Endel av dem har formatet som i artikkelen no:Josef Čada før min endring. Er dette et format som din bot klarer å plukke opp, altså hente ut fra denne strengen ca/josef-cada-1 til wikidata og omgjøre til mal på no.wp? Jeg tror det kan være et par hundre slike forekomster (jf dette søket), men endel av dem er ikke utøvere og bør vel få stå. Mvh. --Wikijens (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hei. Kunne boten ta en importrunde fra tysk Wikipedia? Har inntrykk av at de har endel lenker som ikke er på wikidata, f.eks. Q11299239. Ser ut til at den tyske malen har format som muliggjør import 1:1 til wikidata. Mvh. --Wikijens (talk) 09:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Hei. Jeg synes Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P1447 er veldig nyttig. Nå som det er kommet en egenskap "participated in", hvor man kan legge til forskjellige OL, ville det kanskje være en mulighet til å legge inn dette som "Constraint violation". Altså items med sports-reference-id, men som mangler "participated in" ett eller annet OL. Er dette teknisk mulig og eventuelt hensiktsmessig? --Wikijens (talk) 10:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
@Wikijens: Ikke noe problem, jeg har lagt det inn nå, så da blir det med på neste rapport eller den etter det (rapportene ligger av og til litt etter). Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Supert. Da får vi se ved neste oppdatering om det er mange som mangler :-) Snart tomt for manglende kjønn, og manglende land synker også temmelig raskt. --Wikijens (talk) 10:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Ja, jeg tok en del av dem i går jeg også. Om du har lyst på litt «avveksling» (også kjent som «nøyaktig det samme») så har vi også P1469 for fotballspillere, som har stort sett de samme kravene. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:15, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Re: Key shortcuts[edit]

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Removal of statements[edit]

Hey! I realised that you were removing lots of statements for the properties follows (P155) and followed by (P156) when used for persons, but you are not replacing them with the properties replaces (P1365) or succeeded by (P1366). Could you please do this operation properly so no data is lost? Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 20:06, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

@Andreasmperu: Hi, the thing is that these properties used in the way they are are worthless. When a person has the property "previous" or "next" pointing to another person, what does that mean? Previous what? Previous king? Previous crown prince? Previous leader of something? Previous person to exist? Previous person to win something? All of these values were erroneously imported from infoboxes (of all the random samples I've taken, all were added last March by UnderlyingBot), and make no sense. They should not have been created in the first place, so I feel that removing them without replacing them is not really doing it "improperly", but just fixing a past mistake.
Of course, information about who had which position held (P39) before and after the subject (replaces (P1365) and succeeded by (P1366)) is important and deserves to be done properly with qualifiers, but there's no efficient way off doing that while I'm fixing the first issue (removing erroneously added follows (P155) and followed by (P156)).
Do you see where I'm coming from here? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
So, you did know about replaces (P1365) or succeeded by (P1366) and still decided not to use them (I was hoping you were unaware of this). There is a consensus about not removing statements without adding that information with other properties. Deprecated property invalid ID (P107) has not been deleted because there are still items using it. What you are doing is leading to an easily preventable loss of data. Please, stop deleting statements without using other properties to preserve that information (by the way, if something makes no sense to you, it does not mean that other people have to agree. We can all be wrong from time to time). So, before starting mass edits on a sole purpose, it is always a good idea to see what other people have to say about it. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 21:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
@Andreasmperu: Sure, I understand your objection and won't remove any more. A list of the removals I did is here, the top ~500 or so.
Like I've said, these properties were added erroneously and I don't agree that we shouldn't just remove them, I'll leave it for now. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia translate page[edit]

Hi Jon! I don't know if it's correct but I would like to translate in english (it's already done) an italian page I made in Wikipedia. I've understood that I need to do it here. Is it correct? Tnank you for helping me! --Juliopm (talk) 13:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Juliopm! I am not sure what you mean. Do you wish to add an article to the English Wikipedia, or to connect a page in the Italian Wikipedia with a page in the English one? Wikidata is used for the last part, the so-called interwiki links between languages. To add a link from the Italian Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia (and vice versa), just go to that article in the Italian Wikipedia and click "Aggiungi collegamenti" in the sidebar to the left, and follow the instructions. To add an article to the English Wikipedia, you can see here (it's mostly the same procedure as in the Italian Wikipedia, I think). Jon Harald Søby (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Jon, for your answer. You have understood well, I would like to "to connect a page in the Italian Wikipedia (that I have already created, Renato Signorini) with a page in the English one" that has to be created. But where I had to write the english page? Should I create a new page in english in en.wikipedia and then connect it clicking "Aggiungi collegamenti" in the italian page I've already created? After clicking "Aggiungi collegamenti" there are no instructions, apart the "language" and the "link" to the english page. But the question is: where can I create the english page in order than to collect it to the italian one?--Juliopm (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Juliopm: OK yeah, to create an article in the English Wikipedia you would do it the same way is in Italian -- go to the article's name (for example en:Francesco Chiaffredo Marini), click "Create source" and start writing. However, I know the English Wikipedia used to have a restriction saying that new accounts can't create new articles; if they still have that restriction, you must create a draft article (for example en:Draft:Francesco Chiaffredo Marini), and an experienced editor will move it to the "main namespace" when it's ready. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Jon! Finally I've understood and every thing is clear! --Juliopm (talk) 15:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

That's good to hear, Juliopm! If there's anything else just ask. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


Just a note to let you know that I have restored and added references to Q14954461. Also to note that it was notable at the time of deletion. ·addshore· talk to me! 17:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@Addshore: Eh, I don't really see why this is notable. Just because it had some statements? This is saying that anyone can have an item as long as the Wikipedia article it came from isn't deleted right away...? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
It has referenced statements. And no, it does not mean that anyone can have an item, the face that it is notable has nothing to do with Wikipedia! ·addshore· talk to me! 00:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Q14336572 and Q17433341 = the same.[edit]

Hello, how can I merge the both pages? I don't know. It's about a template on Prva HNL top scorers, but I haven't managed to merge them. Could yopu help me, please? Cordially. --FCNantes72 (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

@FCNantes72: ✓ Done. The easiest way to merge is to use the Merge.js gadget (Settings » Gadgets), which will give you a link to merge in the dropdown menu next to "Search". You can also use Special:MergeItems, but that is more cumbersome. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Jon Harald Søby,

Would you create the one proposed at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Place#Category_for_films_shot_at_this_location ?

It has been proposed for a week and not opposed. --- Jura 16:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 17:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

If you feel like it, this one has been up for a week as well. --- Jura 06:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@Jura1: Alright, I'll take a look. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

So efficient! If you are in the mood (simple one). :) --- Jura 17:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, it was already created. BTW would you look into this one ? --- Jura 09:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Jura1, I'm on mobile now and will be going on vacation tomorrow, so ll probably be quicker you ask someone else for now. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok, happy holidays then. --- Jura 11:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

A very warm thank you[edit]

Dear Jon, a very warm thank you for your welcome and for the work you do. Kggucwa (talk) 23:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Kggucwa! If you need any help with anything, just let me know. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 23:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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Angående land. Hvordan fungerer det med land som ikke er selvstendige, men har egne deltagere i for eksempel OL. Jeg tenker da på f.eks. Puerto Rico eller for fotballspillere skotter og walisere osv. Skal de registreres som Country of citizenship:USA, UK osv eller Puerto Rico, Skottland osv.? --Wikijens (talk) 10:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wikijens: Ja, jeg bruker «hovedlanda», synes det er mest riktig. Hvilket «underland» de spiller for er jo best å angi med member of sports team (P54), så vidt jeg husker. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


Hei. Det virker som om praksis er at kategorier får label="Kategori:...". Er ikke dette egentlig smør på flesk så lenge de har description="Wikimedia-kategori"? Ikke at det gjør så mye, men synes kanskje at det hadde vært ryddigere hvis label kun var kategorinavnet uten "Kategori:". Hva synes du? --Wikijens (talk) 08:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wikijens: Hmmja, kanskje, men det hadde gjort det veldig upraktisk å lenke fra ett element til et annet når kategorinavnet er det samme og det ikke er noen beskrivelse. Men enn så lenge er jo standarden at «Kategori:» er med, og inntil vi har automatiske beskrivelser tror jeg det er best om det forblir sånn. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


Hei igjen. I Q91270 la jeg til nøyaktig fødselsdato fra Sports-reference (det stod bare 1936 fra før). Jeg ser at det opprinnelige årstallet var referansebelagt som stated in "Integrated Authority File". Dette er jo nå ikke lenger helt sant, ettersom datoen antagelig ikke står i denne referansen. Hva er praksis i slike tilfeller. Altså at man endrer/presiserer en opplysning som er referansebelagt i wikidata. Mvh. --Wikijens (talk) 08:48, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wikijens: I slike tilfeller ville jeg fjerna referansen, eller helst endra den til Sports-reference (med URL-en som kilde). Så lenge opplysningen er mer nøyaktig og ikke motstrider den brukte kilden er det bare å erstatte; om den er motstridende (to forskjellige datoer) så kan man legge inn begge med hver sin kildehenvisning. Vi skal jo tross alt ikke etablere sannheter her, bare beskrive ting som de er, og verden er et rart sted. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Hei. Jeg har begynt et lite prosjekt med å legge inn referanser for fødselsdatoer. Når jeg finner en "ordentlig" referanse med url, bør jeg da fjerne den standard "imported from" eller er den fortsatt grei å ha? --Wikijens (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


Hei igjen. Blir mye mas fra meg nå, så du får bare svare når du har tid, ingenting som haster :-) På Q15703028 og endel andre sider for russiske ishockeyspillere har jeg lagt merke til at du inkluderer patronymikon i norsk "label". Er dette bevisst? Jeg har jo på Torget på no.wp foreslått at slikt kanskje burde være med i standard artikkelnavn på no.wp, men inntil noe slikt eventuelt skulle bli vedtatt, bør ikke label på wikidata svare til artikkelnavn på no.wp (minus eventuelle parenteser)? Mvh. --Wikijens (talk) 11:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wikijens: Ikke noe stress, hehe. Jeg har ikke gjort det bevisst, det er bare det at jeg ser for meg at veldig mange av disse personene har mange navnebrødre/-søstre om man ikke inkluderer det, men det spiller liten rolle fra eller til for min del. Uansett bør vi (også jeg) huske å legge inn begge varianter, en som etikett og en som alias. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

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Jeg takker for velkomst, og griper sjansen til følgende spørsmål: Jeg ser at flere (alle?) nasjonalparker i Norge er gitt egenskapen "Landskapsvernområde" i Wikidata. Til å begynne med rettet jeg noen av disse til "Nasjonalpark", men siden det ser ut til å være konsekvent gjennomført, ligger det kanskje en (for meg uforståelig) mening bak? Vet du noe om dette? Hebue (talk) 11:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Hei, Hebue, jeg mener det er noen uoverensstemmelser med interwiki der, at elementet for landskapsvernområde burde hett noe annet på norsk, men husker ikke akkurat hva det var. Er på mobil, så får ikke sjekka opp de nærmeste par dagene. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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Ble undertegnet[edit]

Hei. Finnes det en "property" som egner seg til datoen 4. januar 1960 for Stockholmskonvensjonen (Q19559609)? Mvh. --Wikijens (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Julianske kalender[edit]

Hei. I motsetning til den gregorianske inneholder vel den julianske kalenderen 29. februar 1900. Jeg forsøkte å legge til denne datoen som juliansk fødselsdato for Q165823 (eller skal det kun være gregoriansk fødselsdato på wikidata?) Dette var imidlertid tilsynelatende ikke mulig, det ble hele tiden endret til 1. mars, selvom jeg valgte juliansk kalender. Er dette en feil i programvaren? --Wikijens (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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Teknisk krøll[edit]

Hei. Jeg sliter med å slå sammen Q3455841 og Q19829418. Har merge-gadgeten påslått, men får den ikke opp. Mvh Ooo86 (talk) 07:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Merkelig... Jeg slo dem sammen nå, uten noe problem. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Mulig det bare er PC`en jeg sitter ved nå, men jeg hadde nesten regnet med at gadgeten skulle være tilgjengelig.. Men, det konkrete problemet er i det minste løst! Mvh Ooo86 (talk) 11:26, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for thanking me but it's not necessary :)))[edit]

Hi, In Russian Wikipedia, we use the information from Wikidata quite actively. But because not all of the WD items (to put it mildly :))) have Russian labels, we have a number of articles with Q-codes. These articles are grouped in a special category, and me and some of my colleagues move through this category and type Russian labels. So, this is a systematic work that I do for the sake of the interaction between WD and WP and not for kudos :))) --Michgrig (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Michgrig: Very nice. I've noticed a lot of Russian labels on items I created, from several users, so I assumed that was the case. It is interesting to see such a wide-spread use of Wikidata in Wikipedia, do you have any links to pages with examples and/or policies regarding how it is used (it's OK if they're in Russian, I can make it work with Google Translate)? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
We don't have any policies concerning this interaction, or I don't remember them. We have several infobox templates that take the information from Wikidata, for example, ru:Шаблон:Персона and others in category ru:Категория:Википедия:Шаблоны, использующие Викиданные. If an item that is taken from here does not have the Russian label, it is displayed as Qxxx in an article. The above category for such Q-ed articles is ru:Категория:Википедия:Статьи со ссылками на элементы Викиданных без русской подписи. Some of our colleagues are very unhappy (again, to put it mildly :))) about this 'vandalization' of articles and about Wikidata in gerenal. But several of us (who are often called 'Wikidata disciples') just try to overcome the situation. --Michgrig (talk) 11:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)