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Task/s: Create items for books in National Diet Library (Q477675).

Function details: As part of WikiProject, items for each book in National Diet Library (Q477675) have to be created so files in Wikimedia Commons can link to Wikidata. The items will have properties DOI (P356), NDL Bib ID (P1054), publication date (P577), author (P50), main subject (P921) and others. The number of items to be created is likely to be more than 100,000. --Midleading (talk) 13:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Note: If item with specific NDL Authority ID (P349) does not yet exist, we need to also create an item for the author (which may include people and organizations). Also there are books not yet in public domain so can not be uploaded to Commons, but items for them can still be created. GZWDer (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Also you may first create some example items.--GZWDer (talk) 13:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Like local history of Kagoshima City (Q111372556)? This item was created by @Sakoppi:. Do you know any Japanese user who are interested in this topic? Some items may have already been created by these users. Midleading (talk) 15:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that item is not following the guidelines at Wikidata:WikiProject_Books. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

What it mean: (1) any created item with a specific DOI (P356)/JPNO (P2687)/NDL Bib ID (P1054)/publication date (P577)/place of publication (P291) should be an "edition" (instance of (P31)=version, edition or translation (Q3331189)); (2) there are possibly multiple editions of the same work, so (in the next step, after we have the edition items) we create an item for the "work" and link two items with edition or translation of (P629)/has edition or translation (P747). For example c:Category:人事興信録 contains multiple different editions of Q109727675 (a "work"), each edition have a different set of IDs. We should create items for each edition. In the future, the Commons category should be diffused to one for each edition which links to the edition item (instead of the current one for the work item).--GZWDer (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Note we have another dedicated property for NDL id (besides JPNO (P2687) and NDL Bib ID (P1054)): NDL Persistent ID (P9836). To prevent fragmentation of data, IDs should not be added to DOI (P356).--GZWDer (talk) 09:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I have edited local history of Kagoshima City (Q111372508) as example of work item and local history of Kagoshima City (Q111372556) as example of edition item. Midleading (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

this still looks wrong? is it a book series? or a written work (Q47461344)? There's also constraint violations? BrokenSegue (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

It was a book that later became book series. Anyway, I will use written work (Q47461344) uniformly, because this information isn't in Commons. genre (P136), official website (P856), copyright status (P6216) for work item and follows (P155), followed by (P156), genre (P136), copyright holder (P3931), official website (P856) for edition item also can't be imported. has edition or translation (P747) statements also will not have any qualifiers when imported. Midleading (talk) 03:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I want to do this for books in National Library of Spain. I see that following Wikidata rules for books, two items are needed at least, one for the written work (Q47461344) and one for each version, edition or translation (Q3331189). I created an example for this entry in datos.bne.es:

• La vida es eterna: biografía de Víctor Jara (Q124538246): written work by Mario Amorós
• La vida es eterna: biografía de Víctor Jara (Q124537888): 2023 edition of written work by Mario Amorós

Do you think they are correct? It think that adding the "(PUBLISHER, YEAR)" in the label for each edition is useful, so you can see all that info quickly in the property has edition or translation (P747) in La vida es eterna: biografía de Víctor Jara (Q124538246). But I am open for suggestions. Of course, after we define that, I will open a request for my bot. Just wanted to use this discussion so we can unify the rules for all "book bots". Emijrp (talk) 18:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

generally looks good to me. personally I would like to see some more identifiers (see Wikidata:WikiProject_Books e.g. Library of Congress Control Number (LCCN) (bibliographic) (P1144) or Google Books ID (P675)) though having ISBN is good. Also a genre (P136) would be nice. BrokenSegue (talk) 18:27, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

oh also the description for the edition should say it's an edition (needs to be distinct from the work's description) BrokenSegue (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

"2023 edition of book by Mario Amorós"? What about writing the Spanish title in the English label? Is that OK or should I leave it blank when book hasn't been translated? Emijrp (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

The description for both items is that it's a "book", which is the least helpful label that could possibly be used. In Wikiproject:Books, we never use the word "book" because it could mean a work, an edition, a specific copy, a section within a work, or any of a dozen other meanings. Please do not use "book" as the description for a work or an edition; it isn't helpful and does not distinguish what it is. The data item for an edition should have "edition" in the description; not in the label. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I just fixed the labels and descriptions for both items (written work and edition). Is OK now? Btw, I repeat the same question, is OK to use Spanish title as English label when work hasn't been translated? Emijrp (talk) 16:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is ok to use the Spanish title if the work has not been translated. Other than that, are we ready for approval? Ymblanter (talk) 19:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ymblanter This request was created by @Midleading: for his bot MidleadingBot. I don't know if his bot is ready for approval.

I am going to open a request for my own bot. Emijrp (talk) 19:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Emijrpbot 10. Emijrp (talk) 20:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)