User:Pmt

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nb-N Denne brukeren behersker norsk (bokmål)morsmålsnivå.
nn-N Denne brukaren meistrar nynorskmorsmålsnivå.
sv-2 Den här användaren har medelgoda kunskaper i svenska.
da-2 Denne bruger har et godt kendskab til dansk.
en-3 This user has advanced knowledge of English.
de-2 Dieser Benutzer beherrscht Deutsch auf fortgeschrittenem Niveau.
fr-1 Cet utilisateur dispose de connaissances de base en français.
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I am Per-Morten Tennøy. Naval architecht. Main interesse nautical and military history. Architecture and Constructions. Active on Norwegian Wikipedia.

Arkiv

God ettermiddag! @El Fure: Jeg ser på Kjesæterarkivet dette er en del av Den Kgl. Norske Legasjons Flyktningskontor sitt arkiv i tidsrommet 1940 1945 i Sverige. Dette har da Arkiv ID no-a1450-01000000430872, http://arkivportalen.no/entity/no-a1450-01000000430872. Men dette er da igjen en del av Aktøren Den Kgl. Norske Legasjons Flyktningekontor med Arkivportalen aktør-ID no-a1450-01000003746145 og betegnelsen S-6753 - Den Kgl. Norske Legasjons Flyktningskontor Det mangel da en ID for arkivskaper men den tror jeg kan finnes allerede i wikidata.


Tid[edit]

time period (P2348)

Navn[edit]

birth name (P1477)

name in native language (P1559)

married name (P2562)

given name (P735)

family name (P734)

official name (P1448)

Kirkelig[edit]

Diocese Propose Propose Propose Administratative unit
Property diocese (P708) Parish Civil Parish District located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)
Description administrative division of the church to which the element belongs x y z the item is located on the territory of the following administrative entity
Representing diocese (Q665487) parish (Q102496) civil parish (Q4976993) district (Q149621) administrative territorial entity (Q56061)
eparchy (Q285181) parish (Q13358519)

Definisjoner[edit]

Beskrivelsesfeltet eksempel Borgund Stave Church (Q755010)

Bokmål; stavkirke i Lærdal kommune
Nynorsk; stavkyrkje i Lærdal kommune

Bokmål; Majorstuen Church (Q10356683)

Bokmål; kirke i Oslo
Nynorsk; kyrkje i Oslo



Kladd[edit]

Det over kan slettes[edit]

Oversettelser[edit]

Engelsk Norsk Alternativ
Property Verdi
Statement Påstand
Item Element Emne
Qualifier Kvalifikator
Rank Rang grad
Identificator Identifikator
Deprecation Avskriving

Triks[edit]

< Omaha Mavericks women's basketball (Q21531595) View with Reasonator View with SQID > competition class (P2094) View with SQID < women's basketball (Q2887217) View with Reasonator View with SQID >


Treaties and Laws[edit]

Items[edit]

International Convention on Load Lines (Q1473305)

Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany (Q660521)

Q11969019

Interresting discusions on the projectpage[edit]

Treaty Wikidata:Project chat#Treaty Oktober 2017

User talk:UV#United Nations Treaty Series Volume Number

Properties to be used[edit]

Litt om hvordan[edit]

Treaty properties
International Convention on Tonnage Measurement of Ships (Q1979787) Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany (Q660521) Svalbard Treaty (Q461891)
United Nations Treaty Series Registration Number (P4231) published in (P1433) archives at (P485) official language (P37) signatory (P1891)
21264 Norwegian (Q9043)
French (Q150)
English (Q1860)

Coins[edit]

Items[edit]

Eisenhower dollar (Q1312952)

denarius of L. Censorinus (Q5256588)

Interresting discusions on the projectpage[edit]

Describing the two sides of a coin Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/10#Describing the two sides of a coin Oktober 2017

Add both as standalone statement and as qualifier to inventory number (P217)? [[1]]
Wikidata talk:WikiProject Coins

Properties to be used[edit]

Coin properties
Eisenhower dollar (Q1312952) English fifty shilling coin (Q5378546)
catalog code (P528) designed by (P287) depicts (P180) material used (P186) inventory number (P217) collection (P195)
gold (Q897)


Medail properties
conferred by (P1027)


Specific coin related items[edit]

mint (Q464780) | Seigniorage (Q478641) | planchet (Q653278) | no label (Q11990331) | cartouche (Q224104) | exergue | denomination (Q918448) | Rim (Q2445829) | Doubled die (Q5300122) | coin edge (Q308800) | no label (Q11990329) | mint mark (Q616732) | no label (Q2491160) | coin alignment (Q23017425)

Identifiers[edit]

Coinage of the Roman Republic Online ID (P4455)

Specific medail related items[edit]

medal alignment (Q23017424) unaligned (Q23017426)

Military[edit]

Discussions[edit]

Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/10#Any showcase items or examples for military figures Oktober 2017

Daglig leder Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/10#daglig leder .28P1037.29

Wikidata:Project chat#Military branch Oktober 2017

Properties to be used[edit]

Military properties
Jean de Lattre de Tassigny (Q81114) Peter Ustinov (Q55796) Carl Gustav Fleischer (Q3499537) Bjarne Øen (Q4570107) German battleship Scharnhorst (Q155222) Army Norway (Q1771854) Bundeswehr (Q56010) Operation Weserübung (Q150939)
commander of (P598) commanded by (P4791) military branch (P241) military rank (P410) position held (P39) conflict (P607) headquarters location (P159) has part (P527) order of battle (P4220)
French Far East Expeditionary Corps (Q2997796) British Army (Q222595) major general (Q157148) military officer (Q189290) World War II (Q362) Lillehammer (Q3745117) German Navy (Q56015) Norwegian Campaign order of battle (Q7061041)

Artillery[edit]

Branches

coastal artillery (Q1358324) no label (Q975676) field artillery (Q1798581) naval artillery (Q511450) anti-aircraft warfare (Q843941) som Luftvernartilleri ground artillery (Q9160911)

Guns

high-trajectory artillery gun (Q2062733) direct-fire gun (Q1426145) ground artillery (Q9160911) infantry gun (Q1141166) field gun (Q1330892) anti-aircraft gun (Q7325635) Panzerabwehrkanone (Q10343700) anti-tank gun (Q1370129) mountain gun (Q1497061) railway gun (Q1049358) howitzer (Q180126) mortar (Q7905205)

Lighthouses[edit]

no label (Q37171269) coastal lighthouse (Q30448674) fishers lighthouse (Q11969019) lead lighthouse (Q43266387) Havsfyr finsk Anduvningsfyr Overett Fyrskip approach lighthouse (Q10411887)

Properties to be used[edit]

use (P366)

Brigdes[edit]

structural engineer (P631) main building contractor (P193)

Template[edit]

{{no:Q13384512}}

Member of P463[edit]

Medlem av Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/10#medlem av .28P463.29 and parliamentary terms.2C which way to fix.3F Oktober 2017

Properties[edit]

Selected contributions[edit]

Coins Eisenhower dollar (Q1312952)

Treaties International Convention on Load Lines (Q1473305) | International Convention on Tonnage Measurement of Ships (Q1979787)


Legislature[edit]

position held (P39)

Proposals[edit]

Wikidata:Property proposal/Ship type
Wikidata:Property proposal/Norwegian historical register of persons ID
Wikidata:Property proposal/Soumen rannikon loistoluettelo ID


War sailor register[edit]

https://www.krigsseilerregisteret.no/no/sjofolk/41159
https://www.krigsseilerregisteret.no/no/sjofolk/$1

https://www.krigsseilerregisteret.no/no/skip/459289/

https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/459289/

https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/299/

https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/459289/

Learning[edit]

I just approached the use of Wikid ata, so sorry for unclear points: working with Linux related data I found [[Q7593|"Debian" (Q7593)]]. Debian (a Linux Distribuition) is a real object and so I was surprised to find "Instance of" (P31) AND "subclass of" (P279) together among the declarations. Being Debian a real object I don't think "subclass of" should be part of the element. Thanks for your comments and clarifications --FabC ([[User talk:FabC|diskusjon]]) 12:23, 24 November 2017 (UTC) : The instance of Debian that runs on Alice computer is not the same instance that runs on Bob's computer. [[Property:P279|underklasse av <small>(P279)</small>]] seems more appropriate to me. [[User:ChristianKl|ChristianKl]] ([[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]) 12:54, 24 November 2017 (UTC) : @FabC: Debian is not a "real object" in the sense of something that has a physical manifestation at a particular time and place. It represents many physical instances, and that collection can be thought of as a class, which can be subdivided into further subclasses for example by version or underlying hardware or some other aspect of implementation. So these properties look fine to me on [[Q7593|Debian <small>(Q7593)</small>]]. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|diskusjon]]) 14:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC) :: Thanks for the clarifications, now I understand and agree on the use on the [[Property:P279|underklasse av <small>(P279)</small>]]. It is still confusing me the presence of [[Property:P31|forekomst av <small>(P31)</small>]] among the declarations: [[Q7593|Debian <small>(Q7593)</small>]] is an [[Property:P31|forekomst av <small>(P31)</small>]] of [[Q9135|operativsystem <small>(Q9135)</small>]], ... . --FabC ([[User talk:FabC|diskusjon]]) 18:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata:WikiProject Occupations and professions

== Person vs. occupation == Hi! I am a beginner on Wikidata, and I would like to understand it better. I just checked the [[Q2526255]] (film director), and I saw, that the English and German description shows, this is a person, while the Hungarian shows, this is an occupation. The first statement is: „instance of” „filmmaking occupation”. Its subclass is [[Q3455803|director]], which shows this is an occupation, statement shows this is a profession and a position. As I saw, this items are used in the personal pages (items with persons) in the occupation statement. # May I change the descriptions of the film director item so, that this is an occupation (and not a person)? # How can I decide if I should use the "occupation" or the "profession" or the "position" values in the instance of statements? Is the best way to use all of these? # Is there a list about the statements and their values, or is the best tool the "What links here" ([https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P31&limit=500 for example])? # Is there a documentation where it is described, for which cases and situations which statements should we use, as OSM does with the tags ([https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge example])? Thank you for your answers. [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:52, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :Short answer: an occupation is not a person, so no. Longer answer: it occurs quite often that articles are added to the wrong items in a mistaken attempt to preserve interwikilinks. This appears to be the case with the Hungarian articles linked to {{Q|2526255}} and {{Q|932586}}. I would always assume the big 5 (en/de/fr/ru/ja) to be more correct than little languages (like hu). [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:18, 30 November 2017 (UTC) ::{{re|Jane023}} thank you for your answer, but I think, I was not clear enough. We are using everywhere professions, like {{Q|2526255}} or {{Q|3455803}} as occupation in the items of persons (see examples in {{Q|2263}} or {{Q|39829}}), and the items of these professions also claims, that they are an occupation (first statement is "instance of" "filmmaking occupation" or "profession" or "position"). I think, the small language (hu) is the correct one in this case. [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:32, 30 November 2017 (UTC) ::::::I was referring to the label/descriptions. It is easier to adjust the sitelinks of certain languages than to reverse usage of an item in many other items. Please take the path of least resistance. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:15, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :::::::To the sitelinks: I didn't check them earlier, because I wanted to clarify the Wikidata ontology and practice first. Now I checked them, and as Fractaler mentioned below, there is complete chaos here: most languages I can understand present the person and the occupation in the same article. In spite of the article starts with a statement, that this is a person, it describes the occupations, and categorize them as an occupation. Same as here, in Wikidata. To the path of least resistance: I understand your argument, but I don't agree with it, because this is an optimum only for short-term. If there is a mistake in 9 from 10 items, I would rather correct the nine article today, so we can reach the ordered state. Last year Wikidata has around half of the items it has today, and probably next year it will have double the number of items it has today. If the new items will be inserted into a clear and correct system, the work we have to do is much smaller on long term. For example if in a few years we have 10x larger database, than we have 100 correct items and for that we had to correct only 9 at the beginning. The other option is GBs of useless mess. [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:01, 30 November 2017 (UTC) ::::::::This is not a Wikidata problem, and it is not your problem. Most of these sitelinks came in with the original 2013 "great interwikilink migration". You can pick up a mess and work away at it if you want to, but please be aware you may find certain Wikipedias objecting. It is up to those communities to link their articles to the correct items and not the other way around. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC) ::::The way it is used strongly suggests that the item is about the concept of an occupation (or position). Presumably the descriptions need to be adjusted. - [[User:Brya|Brya]] ([[User talk:Brya|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:41, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :Items, which have "person + occupation" ({{Q|Q3455803}}, [[Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q41515083|Q41515083]], etc.) are {{Q|Q160843}} (={{Q|Q1787424}} in Wikidata as {{Q|Q593744}}). [[User:Fractaler|Fractaler]] ([[User talk:Fractaler|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC) ::I see :) Isn't there a conception or idea to separate the person and the occupation in Wikidata? One for ''instance of human'' and an other for ''instance of occupation''? [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:01, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :::The thing is that {{Q|Q28859214}} (as {{Q|Q916139}}) at the moment has some {{Q|Q36809769}} that do not have {{Q|Q4329817}} and this is not eliminated. Therefore, it is very difficult to put things in order through direct editing (for example, by entering more precise items instead of homonyms, separate the person and the occupation in Wikidata: <s>director</s> -> director (profession), director (position), director (human)). There remains the only way - enlightenment (ie, wait until the person himself realizes that he was wrong). --[[User:Fractaler|Fractaler]] ([[User talk:Fractaler|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC) === Occupation vs. profession === Sorry to copy the questions from above, but I have the experience, that every section should contain only one question, others will be neglected. As it happened now. And I try with 3 questions again :) # How can I decide if I should use the "occupation" or the "profession" or the "position" values in the instance of statements? Is the best way to use all of these? # Is there a list about the statements and their values, or is the best tool the "What links here" ([https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P31&limit=500 for example])? # Is there a documentation where it is described, for which cases and situations which statements should we use, as OSM does with the tags ([https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge example])? Thank you in advance. [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:01, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :We should have some best practices at [[Wikidata:WikiProject Occupations and professions]], but it's very confusing still. I believe the distinction is "profession" for things for which a person is formally educated (doctor, lawyer, computer scientist). "Occupation" is for what they actually *do* (hospital administrator, politician) and includes hobbies and non-"professional" jobs (singer, knitter, activist). I think there is still a lot of confusion around positions that require a formal apprenticeship or other expertise. "Position" is a role held by the person - so a US senator might have profession=lawyer, occupation=politician, position=senator. I'd really like to see a discussion of how to use these properties so we can be more consistent. I think some of the confusion is that the nuances of these terms are different in different languages (and even among English speakers, where the older definition of "the professions" is really not well understood anymore). - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC) ::Dear PKM, thank you for your detailed explanation. This sounds clear and make sense for me. But in practice it is not so easy many times. :) For example somebody can be a singer with or without a formal education, and we cannot decide on the singer page which is the case. (And the {{Q|177220}} item uses professional instead of occupation ;)). [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :::Yes, {{Q|177220}} is also {{Q|Q160843}} (earlier street singers. for example, had no education). --[[User:Fractaler|Fractaler]] ([[User talk:Fractaler|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC) ::So, 1 item (1 homonym) "US senator" -> 4 items (4 non-homonyms): 1) US senator (profession), 2) US senator (occupation) US senator (position), US senator (human). --[[User:Fractaler|Fractaler]] ([[User talk:Fractaler|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC) To my next to last question: I found the [[Special:ListProperties|list of properties]], and the values of a statement are not restricted, so cannot be listed, if I am right. Is there any good answer to my last question? [[User:Samat|Samat]] ([[User talk:Samat|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Political prisoners[edit]

Good morning! What property can I use for politisk fange (Q217105)? betydningsfull hendelse (P793) with qualifiers or beskjeftigelse (P106) wich I find interpret as occupation of a person; see also "field of work" (Property:P101), "position held" (Property:P39) Breg Pmt (diskusjon) 06:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Political prisoner is a very POV title. In my country someone I consider a terrorist and mass-murderer is often considered a Political prisoner by my enemies. I recommend using prisoner (Q1862087) under betydningsfull hendelse (P793) to steer clear of the POV issue. DGtal (diskusjon) 06:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
We have soneinstitusjon (P2632) to mark where someone was imprisoned. har rolle (P2868) could be used to express that the person is a political prisoner but that should only be done with sources that clearly say so. ChristianKl () 11:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
With soneinstitusjon (P2632) together with plassering (P276) and (from - to dates) as qualifiers for har rolle (P2868) as "main" property ? Breg Pmt (diskusjon) 23:08, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I don't see why you would need plassering (P276) but otherwise, I agree. ChristianKl () 22:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: Like for Otto Frank (Q7336) how can I indicate that he was prisoned in Auschwitz (Q7341) located in Germany, away from where he lived?. Pmt (diskusjon) 06:05, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
You can use soneinstitusjon (P2632) Auschwitz (Q7341) and additionally you can use bosted (P551) to state where he lived previously. Of course adding qualifiers helps with getting the data clearer. ChristianKl () 12:55, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Political prisoner is a well defined term. It does not matter what you call someone, it matters how the definition fits. So look up what a neutral organisation like Amnesty uses as a definition. Thanks, GerardM (diskusjon) 12:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

KLADD[edit]

Use of P1282 OpenStreetMap tag or key

I am rather new to this property and have some questions for the use of it. Item dam (Q12323) uses OSM tag or key (P1282) Tag:waterway=dam. Should then arch dam (Q890545) as a subclass of (P279) have OSM tag or key (P1282) Tag:waterway=dam?. will the same apply for the specific item Q12011149. In other Words. Should all Three items mentioned have OSM tag or key (P1282) Tag:waterway=dam?

SPARQL[edit]

Etternavn[edit]

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?etternavn WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P27 wd:Q20 .
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5 .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P734 ?etternavn } .
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  FILTER (!BOUND(?etternavn))
}
Try it!

fjern ropetegnet forran Bound for å få de med uten adresse.

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?tidligere_norsk_kommune WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P31 wd:Q18663579. }
  UNION
  { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P31 wd:Q755707. }
  UNION
  { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P31 wd:Q19730508. }
  OPTIONAL {  }  
  ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P17 wd:Q20.
}
Try it!

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?tidligere_norsk_kommune ?dato_for_etablering__fremstilling_e_l_ ?hovedstad ?hovedstadLabel ?norsk_kommunenummer ?ligger_i_administrativ_enhet ?ligger_i_administrativ_enhetLabel WHERE {

 SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
 { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P31 wd:Q18663579. }
 UNION
 { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P31 wd:Q755707. }
 UNION
 { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P31 wd:Q19730508. }
 ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P17 wd:Q20.
 OPTIONAL { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P571 ?dato_for_etablering__fremstilling_e_l_. }
 OPTIONAL { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P36 ?hovedstad. }
 OPTIONAL { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P2504 ?norsk_kommunenummer. }
 OPTIONAL { ?tidligere_norsk_kommune wdt:P131 ?ligger_i_administrativ_enhet. }

} LIMIT 10000

SELECT distinct ?item ?itemLabel ?typeLabel WHERE {

  {?item wdt:P31 wd:Q18663579.}

  UNION

  {?item wdt:P31 wd:Q755707.}

  ?item wdt:P31 ?type.

  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],no,en". }

} order by ?itemLabel

War sailor register[edit]

Norwegian war sailor register ID
Norwegian war sailor register person ID
https://www.krigsseilerregisteret.no/no/sjofolk/41159
https://www.krigsseilerregisteret.no/no/sjofolk/$1

Norwegian war sailor register ship ID
https://www.krigsseilerregisteret.no/no/skip/459289/

https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/459289/

https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/299/