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A place to discuss any and all aspects of Wikidata: the project itself, policy and proposals, individual data items, technical issues, etc.

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What to add as qualifier instead of proportion (P1107) so it could be possible to describe percent of work with has characteristic (P1552)? has characteristic (P1552): 90% Eurohunter (talk) 10:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

proportion (P1107) does not want any unit, so for 90% I think you should use 0.9 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you are trying to record, but the following seems to work:

⟨ subject ⟩ has characteristic (P1552) View with SQID ⟨ finished (Q83489981)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩
proportion (P1107) View with SQID ⟨ 0.9 ⟩

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ: I want to use percent (Q11229) unit. I want to add that software synthesizer (Q1897589) is 90% of instrument (P1303) so has characteristic (P1552) has circa (Q5727902). Eurohunter (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margo Voets[edit]

Q49684504 and Q123221110 are the same person (Margo Voets) Please, merge both wikidata-items. mvg, Bjelka (talk) 23:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have different dates of birth, so probably not the same person. @Stragier t: do you have any insight? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata Elastic Search configuration files[edit]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to ask if there is a way to find out index configuration/mappings files of the main ElasticSearch in Wikidata. Either, the one when browsing to the main wikidata website (the panel on the upper right corner) or the mediawiki actions api wbsearchentities. I wonder mainly how the labels/aliases/descriptions are stored in the index and what is the returned entities priority/ordering process when searching, e.g. how come when searching a word "human", it returns human (Q5) as the top result. I would appreaciate any response.

Have a nice day, Martin. Martin Gora (talk) 09:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ElasticSearch databases are accessible from PAWS. Here's the Wikidata ElasticSearch mappings: https://paste.toolforge.org/view/37b8a626 .
Configuration I guess are based on [1] [2]. Didnt't look too closely, hopefully someone will point out if it's the wrong place.
Results with lots of sitelinks and incoming links seems to be scored higher. Infrastruktur (talk) 11:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weird item about a name of a renamed environmental monitoring program[edit]

I’m puzzled by Copernicus Programme (Q124788787) recently created by @WiK14ot0g: which is an item linked to a disambig page, about a former name of a European program. I think we should not do this. (by the way, impressive number of natively spoken languages WiK14ot0g !). Later the item was changed from disambig page instance of (P31) to a legit program value. But it seems the program was just renamed and is essentially the same, so the page on frwiki is really just a redirect / disambig page from the former to the new name.

I found this item only because the linked redirect on frwiki was set as a good article, which is nonsense. What is going on with this item ? author  TomT0m / talk page 10:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Thanks for the chat. I just merged it, I did not seen that was the previous name. I was driven by the mistake of somebody else in selecting the disambig page through "follows".
This chat can be closed WiK14ot0g (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, corrected.

A very kind request for a property creator[edit]

I don't want to hasten anyone or to be impolite in any way, but it would be really great if someone with property creator rights could create this property. This is something that is important to us as the Polish-language Wikimedia community. This issue has been a subject of discussions involving a number of users both in Polish Wikipedia's project chat and on the plWiki Facebook and Discord forums. I fully understand that there are always too few volunteers in our movement to cope with the workload, but if someone could spare a few minutes, that we be really excellent. Thank you in advance! Powerek38 (talk) 12:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Ymblanter (talk) 19:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Show edit groups[edit]

Dear experts,

I've once clicked on a special link showing all edits with a certain comment. Would it be possible to show all edits belonging to #temporary_batch_1709666797939?

Thanks in advance. Washizu Iwao (talk) 16:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2024 Selection[edit]

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.

Dear all,

This year, the term of 4 (four) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Board Governance Committee created a Board Selection Working Group from Trustees who cannot be candidates in the 2024 community- and affiliate-selected trustee selection process composed of Dariusz Jemielniak, Nataliia Tymkiv, Esra'a Al Shafei, Kathy Collins, and Shani Evenstein Sigalov [3]. The group is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2024 trustee selection process, and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

  • May 2024: Call for candidates and call for questions
  • June 2024: Affiliates vote to shortlist 12 candidates (no shortlisting if 15 or less candidates apply) [5]
  • June-August 2024: Campaign period
  • End of August / beginning of September 2024: Two-week community voting period
  • October–November 2024: Background check of selected candidates
  • Board's Meeting in December 2024: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2024 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page, and make your plan.

Election Volunteers

Another way to be involved with the 2024 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page.

Best regards,

Dariusz Jemielniak (Governance Committee Chair, Board Selection Working Group)

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Results#Elected

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes:2023-08-15#Governance_Committee

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] Even though the ideal number is 12 candidates for 4 open seats, the shortlisting process will be triggered if there are more than 15 candidates because the 1-3 candidates that are removed might feel ostracized and it would be a lot of work for affiliates to carry out the shortlisting process to only eliminate 1-3 candidates from the candidate list.

MPossoupe_(WMF)19:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gender identity disorder[edit]

We have two entities, gender dysphoria (Q1049021) and gender identity disorder (Q11491595), which appear at first glance to describe the same thing. However, I'm reluctant to merge these in case there is a technical distinction which needs to be preserved. Can anyone help clarify this? The Anome (talk) 20:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Anome: gender dysphoria (Q1049021) is a feeling (Q205555) which anyone can experience, and may not have a medical aspect. gender identity disorder (Q11491595) is a medical diagnosis (Q177719), and also outdated as non-binary and transgender identity is no longer professionally classified as a disease. I edited the items a little. I do not recommend merging.
See also gender euphoria (Q106688046), which is a term used by trans community and others to describe the benefit and feeling of gender identity acceptance. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to deal with re-used twitter handles?[edit]

The band The Donnas (Q1056412) used to have the twitter handle the_donnas, as evidenced by their website (archive). The band faded from existence in the early 2010s, and the handle must have been deleted. Since 2017 the handle points to another account (ID 823574352729964544) that is unrelated to the band. But since the handle is still listed in places like Wikipedia and Musicbrainz, it is still used in The Donnas (Q1056412) - with all the data belonging to the new account.

So in essence, the handle "the_donnas" was correct until some unknown time before 23 January 2017, but apart from that one reference to their archived website, everything else in X username (P2002) at The Donnas (Q1056412) is wrong.

  • Is there a way to find the ID the handle was associated with before?
  • How should this mess be modeled at The Donnas (Q1056412)?

El Grafo (talk) 08:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The original ID seems to be 22692379 https://twitter.com/i/user/22692379 not sure if there is a standard way to get to it, but their twitter page is also archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20140312235021/https://twitter.com/the_donnas so I viewed the source and searched for data-user-id. It looks like their twitter handle changed at some point to https://twitter.com/thedonnas Piecesofuk (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that helps! Strangely, if you compare the archives for both handles, it seems like they were active in parallel for a while - or content from the new handle was somehow mirrored to the old one by Twitter ...? It's confusing. El Grafo (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would set the current value to preferred rank, and add end time (P582) unknown value and ‎latest end date (P12506) 23 January 2017 as qualifiers on the old value. - Nikki (talk) 10:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, meanwhile I've set the old one to deprecated instead – would it be better to do it the other way around? I've also added latest start date (P8555) to the new handle based on what I could pull from the archives, but for some reason that's not an allowed qualifier for X username (P2002) ...? El Grafo (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Event Role Property vs P170 "participant"[edit]

Currently, Wikidata does not have a consistent schema for representing semantic roles in events (e.g., "eater" and "food" in "eating"). Should we create a new property "event role" or extend the definition of participant (P710) to include all types of entities making it consistent with its corresponding Wikidata item participant (Q56512863)? See Wikidata:Requests for comment/Extending P710 "participant" to cover all event roles for a detailed discussion. Anatole Gershman (talk) 22:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manufacturing[edit]

Please check whether Manufacturing in the Russian Wikipedia should really be Обрабатывающая промышленность, not Производство. In the definition that is used in English for the article Manufacturing and the one that is used in Russian Wikipedia for the article Производство, they reflect the same thing.

Manufacturing is the creation or production of goods with the help of equipment, labor, machines, tools, and chemical or biological processing or formulation.

Производство — процесс создания какого-либо продукта с использованием первичных (труд и капитал) и промежуточных факторов производства (сырье, материалы и тому подобное).

Обрабатывающая промышленность — отрасль промышленности, в качестве сырья в которой используются продукты сельского хозяйства (хлопок, шерсть и т. д.) или добытые добывающей промышленностью (нефть, природный газ, руда и т. д.), обрабатываемые вручную или с помощью машин.

According to these definitions, Manufacturing = Производство, not Обрабатывающая промышленность.

It should be noted that the article Manufacturing is included in the 1000 most important for all Wikipedias, and it is unlikely that in Russian it includes precisely the Обрабатывающая промышленность or Промышленность, but rather the broad concept of Производство. In this regard, I consider it necessary to correlate Manufacturing in the English Wikipedia with Производство in the Russian one. Производство in Russian language is the most basic concept, промышленность and обрабатывающая промышленность are less basic. Reprarina (talk) 09:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Global ban proposal for Slowking4[edit]

Hello. This is to notify the community that there is an ongoing global ban proposal for User:Slowking4 who has been active on this wiki. You are invited to participate at m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 (2). Thank you. Seawolf35 (talk) 19:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queer Data Days – Today and tomorrow[edit]

Dear Wikidata users, join us today and tomorrow for the Queer Data Days event, organised by the Wikidata Gender Diversity project! The event will run from 2pm GMT to 7:30pm GMT and feature presentations from speakers working broadly on the topic of queer data (including our own project). The event is hosted by University College London on the Zoom platform. Please find all the instructions on the event page. Thank you! Mushroom (talk) 09:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to combine Surinam country data Q730, Q19901436 and Q7646305 to find all Surinam data?[edit]

I've entered and cleaned some Surinam plantations and all were recorded with country code Q7646305 (Surinam as dutch colony). However people looking for this data don't realise that the code Q730 doesn't include the colony data. To complicate this, the colony Suriname lasted to 1954, then the country became a country within the Netherlands (Q19901436) till 1975. Basically we have one geographical country registered in 3 codes, colony, dutch country and republic. My question is how to solve this. One solution could be to add countrycode Q730 to all plantations, but I wonder or making the colony a sub of Q730 could solve this structurally. Nico5038 (talk) 18:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is a good way. country (P17) is muddled and my proposals to clarify for historical items were met with very different viewpoints. I suggest you use have both country (P17) and country of origin (P495) for when it was formed, ignore any warnings and don't be surprised if someone fiddles with them. Nesting historical countries within existing ones is unwise as the borders often change. Vicarage (talk) 08:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the response. I do see the merit of using the (P495) country of origin as it does ty the plantation to the colony aera. However it would also require all plantations to get a P17 country, so two different properties, while the country is the same name, only a different type of governement. Thus my question how we could ty the threetypes of governement to the same countryname "Surinam" and include the three types in a query using just the Q730. Nico5038 (talk) 22:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

equal-value constraint?[edit]

This request is forwarded from a Discord groupchat:

I want to put a constraint on Threads username (P11892) such that its value is identical to Instagram username (P2003).
(Justification and tutorial on how a threads account is bound to the instagram account are omitted)

I dived into the list of available constraints and concluded that such constraint does not exist yet. I have managed to come up with the following SPARQL query:

SELECT ?item WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P2003 ?ig;
        wdt:P11892 ?threads.
  FILTER(?ig != ?threads).
}
Try it!

This query finds items that have both properties but don't have the same value. However, it disregards qualifiers.

How can I write a refined query so that I can use in a custom constraint, or is it possible to implement such constraint in the software? MilkyDefer 07:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Request_a_query are very helpful if you need queries written. Vicarage (talk) 08:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if they are always identical why do we even have two properties? BrokenSegue (talk) 12:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The OP's justification is as follows:
  1. They are conceptually two different services.
  2. Having an Instagram account does not automatically grants a Threads account.
  3. I need to navigate directly to Threads by clicking on the username.
He concludes that a distinct property is needed. If multiple values are provided, the list of Threads username (P11892) should be a subset of Instagram username (P2003). MilkyDefer 12:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
but why couldn't someone have a threads account with one username (and an associated instagram account they never use) and a differently named instagram account BrokenSegue (talk) 12:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot contact the OP now, this is my own opinion: Having an associated instagram account they never use does not change the fact that they have the instagram account. Adding it to the list of instagram accounts then immediately tagging it to deprecated rank makes the item more complete. MilkyDefer 14:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You probably want to learn what the deprecated rank means in wikidata, Milky. Deprecation is for statements that are not and were never true. If the person or organisation does have an IG account so named, but does not use it, then deprecation is incorrect. The used account should be preferred rank. The unused but nevertheless true account should be normal rank. See also Help:Ranking#Deprecated_rank "used for statements that are known to include errors (i.e. data produced by flawed measurement processes, inaccurate statements) or that represent outdated knowledge (i.e. information that was never correct, but was at some point thought to be).". --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then set the one in active use to preferred rank and other placeholder accounts normal rank, that sounds sensible. MilkyDefer 13:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check of consensus for use of amateur drawings on items about living people[edit]

Just to be clear, we are talking about things like this (for Sevidzem Ernestine Leikeki (Q109971390)). - Jmabel (talk) 19:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion on Commons Village Pump about 5 amateur drawings that are currently in use at Wikidata (and then transcluded through infoboxes to multiple Wikipedias). The concern is whether they should be retained or deleted at Commons. However, a key part of any Commons deletion discussion is whether the files are in use on another project. They are used here on the following items;

  1. File:Portrait Victoria Pedretti.jpg on Victoria Pedretti (Q57659823)
  2. File:Liv Little.jpg on Liv Little (Q27980705)
  3. File:Portrait dessiné de Laurie Peret.jpg on Laurie Peret (Q78215532)
  4. File:Portrait de Sevidzem Ernestine Leikeki.jpg on Sevidzem Ernestine Leikeki (Q109971390)
  5. File:Portrait Aissa Edon.jpg on Aissa Edon (Q28971399)

Is there consensus either to retain or remove any of these images from Wikidata? This will have a big impact on which way any deletion discussion goes on Commons.
@Hibrideacus, MHM55, Quick1984, Jmabel: as uploader and other editors involved in the discussion at Commons. From Hill To Shore (talk) 12:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge[edit]

Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q67002255) and Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q67002373) are both instance of (P31) Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q22078132), but the latter's history shows that it has gone between instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) themed area (Q30224326) a few times. I assume subclass of (P279) is correct because of the other two items? Is it possible (and a good idea) to lock that somehow? @Mateusz_Konieczny, U+1F360, Elisfkc: dseomn (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I deprecated the instance of claim with the qualifier and added the subclass of claim back. Hopefully that's right and will prevent it going back and forth again. dseomn (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I did the same thing for Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run (Q64159729), for the same reasons. @Agabi10: dseomn (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having it as subclass of (P279) creates constraint errors for the properties set in environment (P8411), IMDb ID (P345) and YouTube video ID (P1651) in the case of Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run (Q64159729), and for the property set in environment (P8411) in the case of Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q22078132). I assume that's the reason I moved it from subclass of (P279) to instance of (P31) three years ago. What should be the expected fix for this constraint errors in this case? Adding the entities as exceptions for the constraints? Changing the constraints somehow? -- Agabi10 (talk) 13:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
set in environment (P8411) has the same constraint violation either way I think, because neither themed area (Q30224326) nor amusement ride (Q1144661) is a subclass of work (Q386724) or group of works (Q17489659). Probably good to fix that somehow, but I don't think it's related to this change.
IMDb ID (P345) and YouTube video ID (P1651) both use instance or subclass of (Q30208840) in their relevant constraints, so I don't think that's related either? dseomn (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overlong names[edit]

Sometimes scientific articles have extremely long names - e.g., Q57278717, whose proper title is "Excited states and solvatochromic shifts within a nonequilibrium solvation approach: A new formulation of the integral equation formalism method at the self-consistent field, configuration interaction, and multiconfiguration self-consistent field level", but which we describe as "Excited states and solvatochromic shifts within a nonequilibrium solvation approach: A new formulation of the integral equation formalism method at the self-consistent field, configuration interaction, and multiconfiguration self-consistent field lev". I've seen worse; this is just the one I was looking at when it occurred to me that I could make a post about it.

I don't like the idea that the best way of dealing with this is just to let long fields be truncated. Suggestions? DS (talk) 20:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the recent edits, it seems like Wikidata is able to have the full name. Maybe, this is a QuickStatements issue? ChristianKl21:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about scientific articles, but I'm dealing with bibliographical info for books, and the [ : ] character usually denotes a title : subtitle pair. In this case, the title of the article would be "Excited states and solvatochromic shifts within a nonequilibrium solvation approach" and the subtitle "A new formulation of the integral equation formalism method at the self-consistent field, configuration interaction, and multiconfiguration self-consistent field level". IMHO much more readable. --Ignacio Rodríguez (talk) 23:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Data type max length[edit]

I can see on Wikibase cloud, that there is probably max length for string and single langauge text. What is the max lenght for these datatypes? Juandev (talk) 23:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Data_type#String it's 1500 characters. ChristianKl23:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother (Q549337)[edit]

Hi, At Big Brother (Q549337) it's missing 2 presenters - AJ Odudu and Will Best - both started hosting it on 8 October 2023,

Could someone be so kind as to add these for me please as I'll be honest I'm far too incompetent for WikiData!, Many thanks, Warm Regards, Davey2010 (talk) 17:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Ymblanter (talk) 19:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ymblanter you are amazing thank you so much, Many thanks, Warm Regards, Davey2010 (talk) 00:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Default link URL depending on number[edit]

Property:P8645 has a URL formatter that points to a European database that seldom seems to contain French electrical plants (perhaps only the largest?). So I tried to install a formatter that deals with numbers starting with 17 (France, RTE), to no avail. Can somebody look into this? David.Monniaux (talk) 06:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly Summary #620[edit]

Referencing information confirmed via email[edit]

I am working on updating the Wikidata items for Indigenous performing artists, part of which is asking them to confirm that information about their Indigenous identity listed in publicly-available bios is accurate and is something they want to have attached to their Wikidata item. Sometimes, when contacted, artists will share details that are relevant and useful inclusions, but are not present in the biographical pages I've found.

In citing this information with Reference, I've been using Type of Reference - Correspondence, along with a quotation from the email. I also make an entry on the talk page for the item I'm creating, noting that I am using information received directly from the artist. I would like to direct people to the talk-page comment directly from the reference using Reference URL, but doing so gets flagged because the field doesn't accept Wikidata links. For an example of what I've been doing, you can look at the place of birth or affiliation on Julian Taylor's page.

Is there a different property I should be using to link contextualizing information on the talk page? Should I be formatting references to information from private correspondence in a different way entirely? Any guidance would be great. MichifDorian (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MichifDorian,
When using external references, anyone (or at least some other people) can access such a reference and verify that a Wikidata item or Wikipedia article provides accurate information.
When you want to refer to information that is obtained via email and is available nowhere else, no one else is able to verify its accuracy. That is why, referring to the personal correspondence is unacceptable. Michgrig (talk) 21:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Fake" in american football, duplicate item ?[edit]

Can someone who knows football (and maybe also German) can tell if fake (Q1393653) and play-action pass (Q1734020) are the same concept ? They seem related but I wonder if the one described in dewiki is a bit more generic ? author  TomT0m / talk page 15:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Q859[edit]

On Platos' RSIM there is a depreciated and normal. On the AC bar in the articles, it shows as an error, but it shouldn't be. I purged both the item and the article and still got the same result. I tried removing, replacing, swapping, etc., and the error persisted. Can someone please tell me what is going on with it and how to fix it? Thanks! Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 01:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]