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Deletion of database and hundreds of linked items[edit]

Hello,

I created a new large number of networked items starting with Q48843087 Buddhist Matikas (Lists) in the spring of 2018. I added to it throughout the summer and even accessed it publicly in September of this year. Today, I went online and couldn't find any of the items, nor could I log into my account: Username = Buddhist.Matikas. This is months and months of work. I received no notice prior to deletion. I created a companion google website https://sites.google.com/view/buddhist-matikas/home with its own email address: buddhist.matikas@gmail.com and didn't receive notice prior to deletion. Please advise how to reinstate my account as well as all of the items.

I am a real person and can be reached via either the buddhist.matikas@gmail.com or my personal email address: upjnkml@gmail.com. I am a student planning to pursue graduate studies and am using what I created in the spring but can't access any of what I created.

I need your tool to achieve multiple things as outlined in my webpage. Please help.

Thank you.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.150.24.84 (talk • contribs) at 19:58, 31 October 2018‎ (UTC).

I don’t see a reason why you are unable to log into your account Buddhist.Matikas (talkcontribslogs) as it is not blocked. User:Sjoerddebruin has deleted many (or all) of the items, so he can probably explain the problem to you. —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
The items weren't sourced or properly structured, please see our notability policy and Help:Sources. I wasn't aware of any external usage, but it's much easier to just start over again as the previous situation was quite a mess. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:08, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
The deletion of Q48843087 (and, presumably, the other items referred to) does not appear to have been discussed at Wikidata:Requests for deletions. Since those deletions have now been challenged, the items should be restored, and if necessary sent to that page, in order that the community decide collectively what should be done with them (i.e. whether to delete, or improve, them). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
In response to your statement that "The previous situation was quite a mess" and "much easier to start over again" --- No it wasn't a mess and not it's not easier to start over again. The "mess" was because of Wikidata's capability to support many-to-many linkages and be a publicly editable database -- the network that I was creating required both of these capabilities. And, I have no problem updating each item with proper sourcing. Keep in mind -- as I am a new user, I will probably need help with what is an acceptable source. Can I source a textbook instead of other wiki sites? Not clear. I am creating a network database that holds information for multi-linked items that are from ancient Buddhist texts. Instead of arbitrarily deleting items, a message would have helped clarify the issues. Please ... please ... please restore all items! And provide guidance. It would be much appreciated.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buddhist.Matikas (talk • contribs) at 19:18, 4 November 2018‎ (UTC).

Why haven't these items been recreated, yet? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I have restored this section from the archive. I am surprised to see that the items have not yet been restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit request on Q16503[edit]

Hi,

I would like to change the french label of this fully-protected element from Project:Le Bistro to Wikipédia:Le Bistro because french namespace Project: is translated to Wikipédia:.

Cordially. --Niridya (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Niridya: ✓ Done, please check it. Bencemac (talk) 07:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Bencemac: But that's only the Wikipedia page name, other French projects don't use "Wikipédia" as the translation for "Project". The idea behind using "Project" is to make it more neutral. - Nikki (talk) 08:48, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Then we cannot complete this request (but we are able to use it as an alias). I will revert my edit as soon as @Niridya reacts. Bencemac (talk) 10:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Bencemac: Thanks a lot for your edit! That's perfect! Can you delete the Project:Le Bistro alias because this namespace was replaced by Wikipedia: in majority of wikis (including frWP and enWP).
@Nikki: But I don't understant why Nikki don't agree with this edit because all Wikipedias are using the Wikipedia: namespace. See this page in enWP for example. --Niridya (talk) 18:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Niridya: Other wikis such as Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wiktionary, and others do not use the "Wikipedia:" namespace; they use namespaces such as "Wikibooks:", "Wikisource:", "Wiktionary:", and others. In order to stay neutral, the namespace should be replaced with "Project:", with other specific namespaces used as aliases. Mahir256 (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Mahir256: That's what he wanted to say... That's true. I don't know if it is a neutral point of view but I think that setting the label to the Wikipedia name is the best idea. Also, almost all others Village pumps are using the Wikipedia (or other translation of this word) instead of Project:.
If you prefer don't use the Wikipedia: name, you can set the label to Project:Le Bistro and set Wikipédia:Le Bistro as alias. ;-) --Niridya (talk) 20:48, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

P131 of Q48928408[edit]

The description of P276 stated that: "In case of an administrative entity use P131". It is clear that the Mainland Port Area is an administrative entity, and it is a common knowledge that the Mainland Port Area is located in the Hong Kong SAR. Because Chinese Wikipedia users are familiar with the Mainland Port Area, I will discuss it in the Project Chat of Chinese Wikipedia if someone is going to swear black is white.210.3.92.210 01:46, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I am trying to reach consensus in WD:PC#Consensus is needed for Q48928408, let's see what will happen. 210.3.92.210 09:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Q11179085, Q17239197[edit]

This two items should be merged to Q2880960 but I found an error while merging them.--2001:DA8:201:3512:98A7:DD53:5E1:76CA 13:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

They cannot be merged because there exists two Chinese Wikipedia articles: w:zh:黑擬板機魨 and w:zh:黑副鱗魨. They have to be merged on the Chinese Wikipedia first. Pamputt (talk) 07:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of "unit symbol (DEPRECATED) (P558)"[edit]

no label (P558) was scheduled to be deleted, but there were some uses which I have moved to unit symbol (P5061). Can anyone actually delete no label (P558)? Now it is safe to do so.--Micru (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done. Note that we have Q26250023 which is clearly obsolete now but can not be deleted because it has an Arabic item.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Please merge Q20729535 and Q329455 (duplicate). 92.184.101.170 21:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure they are duplicates.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protection request[edit]

Recurrent IP-vandalism on Q82122. Thanks in advance. --Do not follow (talk) 22:52, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done for a month —MisterSynergy (talk) 22:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Items created by 188.64.206.151[edit]

All of items they created seems to be non-notable entries. While I am unsure they can be improved or not, but it looks fishy and could be someone promoting them. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 15:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Normally, if nobody else does it, I delete this type of items one month after last edit. --ValterVB (talk) 16:41, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I already deleted about a third, none of them were notable.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:46, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

NessieVL edits[edit]

Could this be somehow stopped? Firstly, I though that this user additions are not entirely correct, because of different structure in Wikidata and Commons chemistry field and specifics of the Wikidata items about chemical compounds, but now I see that NessieVL (talkcontribslogs) is probably adding just random images from different articles to WD. Just take a look at Q5925744: File:Fe-TableImage.png... really? He or she didn't answer to my comment and is adding more and more images to WD items. Most of these images are wrong without proper media legend (P2096) (which is not imported from Wikipedia articles), because without it one cannot say how certain image is connected to the concept described in the item. Wostr (talk) 20:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Am I really the only editor using WDFIST, or does it not leave adequate edit summaries? Also, thank you for just now mentioning specific examples. Though how an image of iron on the periodic table is "wrong" for an item on human iron metabolism is not as clear as your attitude suggests. Plus if additional P items are needed to the edits, this maybe needs an alleyoop or a discussion with the makers of WDFIST. Perhaps you shouldn't start with accusations of malfesiance, WikiData isn't known for its clarity and usability, and I don't feel I was straying too far fom Being Bold.--NessieVL (talk) 04:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
@Wostr: see the response above and on your talk page. Mahir256 (talk) 05:05, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
@NessieVL: maybe you're the only one using WDFist this way; probably you're the only one using it this way in chemistry-related items that I have on my watchlist. I can't speak about how many images should be included in botanical items and if images you added there are useful or not, I see how many redundant or wrong images you've added in chemical items. Examples below, but first: image (P18) is not the only property for images and there is clear instruction on P18 page that more specific properties should be used when available. Secondly, Wikidata is not Commons, we don't create galleries of the concept, so similar images, especially if these images are very similar to each other, are usually not needed. What's more, Wikidata is not Commons again: we don't use pictures that are loosely connected to the concept, but pictures that clearly illustrate the concept — if i want to add picture to an item about a writer, I should add picture of the writer himself, not the book he wrote, not his wife and not his house. Many images that are loosely connected to the concept or images inadequately described when it's necessary to establish a clear connection between the concept and the picture are a huge problem for any data re-user. Examples in chemistry field: Human iron metabolism (Q5925744)File:Fe-TableImage.png is way out of scope of this item, it does not represents iron metabolism, but position of iron in the periodic table (it's okay to use it in Wikipedia article, but not in Wikidata); File:Cellular iron homeostasis.png and File:Métabolisme du fer.jpg are okay, but how re-user can get the proper image without a qualifier stating the language used in the image? And does File:Fe transport mechanism.jpg and File:Firrtin.JPG represents iron metabolism? I don't know, but seeing that you have added a picture about iron position in the periodic table as an illustration of iron metabolism I'm afraid that these two may also be some random images from Wikipedia articles. Let's take a look at items about chemical compounds: your edits in L-Arginine (Q173670) – 3 sticks models (why all three? one is okay), one image of both arginine enantiomers (wrong image, as this item is about only L isomer, not about both like some Wikipedia articles), one incorrect image and two redundant PNG images (there is already a good quality SVG picture in chemical structure (P117)); your edits in palmitic acid (Q209727) – 4 redundant PNG structures while there is better SVG structure in chemical structure (P117), three 3D models (one is okay, but the rest are of very low quality), 2 schemes of chemical reactions involving palmitic acid (so these two pictures should illustrate items describing that reactions) and 1 odd picture with Spanish text and a background (in fact, totally unsuitable for re-using anywhere); your edits in L-aspartic Acid (Q178450) – 5 ball-and-stick and stick models (including one incorrect of zwitterion), 2 structures (but one structure of only L isomer and the second with both isomers...). I also wonder how this or this is helpful in any way... but that's not my field, so I won't try to enumerate potential problems with edits outside chemistry field. All I ask is that you stop adding chemistry-related images if you're not sure that these images are correct (e.g. showing the right stereoisomer, the right and correctly drawn structure) or adding many redundant/low quality images while there are already better versions present in the item. You should keep in mind that Wikidata differs from Wikipedias; each of your edits may affect dozens of Wikimedia projects or even projects/websites outside Wikimedia; with over 50M items many of your edits may be left unnoticed for a long time, so any 'be bold' attitude should be at least limited, instead some competence is required, because tools like wdfist shows only propositions, something you can do, but not always should. Wostr (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
So only English-language text is allowed? Or if you don't understand the language, you want it removed? Also, if an article is about one stereoisomer, wouldn't an image distinguishing it from the other isomer be important? --NessieVL (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
@NessieVL: Image about L-isomer should be in an item about L-isomer, image about D-isomer should be in an item about D-isomer, image about both isomers (with proper description) or image about structure without defined stereochemistry (with proper description) should be in an item about group of isomers. We don't need (and don't want) images to distinguish one isomer from another, that's the purpose of a specific property, because Wikidata is based on statements, not visual comparison between items. Wostr (talk) 20:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

Please merge Claude Mazauric (Q967525) and no label (Q27981736). This is obviously a duplicate. 2A01:CB1D:80FC:DA00:485B:2ACA:CE27:334F 10:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done Pamputt (talk) 10:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Դպրօց[edit]

I suggest block this user besause only vandal edits. - Kareyac (talk) 14:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Q58445316[edit]

Hello, I'm not sure what your protection policy is here, but if pre-emptive semiprotection is acceptable, it ought to be applied to Q58445316. The English Wikipedia article linked to this page, en:Cat Creek, Montana, has been the focus of more than six years of attention from a long-term sockpuppeteer; see en:Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Catcreekcitycouncil. Of course, if you don't do pre-emptive semiprotection, I understand; we don't do that at en:wp either. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

No, we indeed do not protect preemptively, but I added the item on the watchlist.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Fisker Inc.[edit]

Hello, I was updating the Fisker Inc. page with the correct Fisker Inc. Wikipedia page, however I received an error suggesting I was to contact you. The correct Wikipedia URL for Fisker Inc. is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisker_Inc.

Thank you, Ivan

I do not quite understand the problem. Q1420893 contains the correct link.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Blocking request User:JulianJervois4[edit]

Account created to vandalize, advertising on his user page (past 4th warning after RfD). Regards --Eihel (talk) 05:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Eihel: ✓ Done thanks for reporting! Mahir256 (talk) 05:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Emma's Chance[edit]

Emma's Chance (Q27964643) should redirect to no label (Q58487064). Queryzo (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done/undeleted. You can add the redirect by yourself. —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Protect page[edit]

Hey guys!

Can anyone protect Stan Lee (Q181900)? Stan Lee recently died and his property is being vandalized.

Thanks! Tks4Fish (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done by Bassem Mahir256 (talk) 19:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata:Properties for deletion#P407 and P364[edit]

Can we please close this huge huge and huge section? It's already staled for one year, and seems already have consensus to delete original language of work (P364). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The problem doesn't seem to be the decision to delete or not, but rather that there are still open questions about how to handle various use-cases without this property that haven't really been fully answered. And from my understanding, lots of items for editions/translations would have to be created to keep all the information intact, but there doesn't seem to be concrete plans or volunteers to actually do that for thousands of works. --Kam Solusar (talk) 22:12, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
@Kam Solusar: Can you point to an example item which will break if we merge original language of work (P364) with language of work or name (P407)? Thanks. --2604:A880:CAD:D0:0:0:52E:4001 08:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, it's the impression I got from the discussions there. Maybe User:Jura1 or User:EncycloPetey can chime in on whether the poential problems brought up by them have been resolved. --Kam Solusar (talk) 23:20, 14 November 2018 (UTC) Edit: User:Fnielsen also brougt up some potential issues with books/editions. --Kam Solusar (talk) 23:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • P364 seems to have emerged as the property to use on films and related items. In the meantime, some subsequent discussion took place on Property_talk:P407#Label about its label and apparently not much came from it either. This despite that Property:P2439 was deleted under the assumption that the label would change (If I recall that correctly). Maybe there is a gap between contributors using the properties and participants in PfD discussions. --- Jura 12:42, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

Please merge Champollion Museum (Q14566044) and no label (Q22969371). This is obviously a duplicate.--Patafisik (talk) 15:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done Pamputt (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protection for Q83287[edit]

Please semi-protect Selena Gomez (Q83287) - frequent IP vandalism, popular theme, living person.--Jklamo (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ DoneMisterSynergy (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Слов'янська волость (Ізюмський повіт)[edit]

Please merge Q55659386 and Q12153725 --LastStep (talk) 16:57, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done--Ymblanter (talk) 20:36, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Semiprotection for Q187413[edit]

Please semi-protect Q187413 due to the continued vandalism. Thanks. Montgomery (talk) 19:38, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done for a year. Mahir256 (talk) 19:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Günah[edit]

Can somebody please recover no label (Q16416694)? Queryzo (talk) 19:57, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Queryzo: ✓ Done Mahir256 (talk) 20:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Q320713[edit]

Often vandalism, instead of the picture was Batman (one week). I reverted everything. --OJJ (talk) 07:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done Semi-protected for 6 months. Pamputt (talk) 07:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)