User talk:Matěj Suchánek

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Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for doing all these normalizations on the imported from/inferred from references.

Not sure how frequent these are, but they might be worth doing as well.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

You are welcome.

I have already spotted a reference like this and put a todo into my code.

Abián (talkcontribs)

Hi Matěj,

Would it be a good idea to create an abuse filter for Twitter username (P2002) that avoids impossible IDs (those violating the mandatory format constraint, determined by the regex [A-Za-z0-9_]{1,15})?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)
Abián (talkcontribs)

Thanks! It seems to be working perfectly. Could we show a specific warning and prevent the users from performing these actions?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Added warning: Warning: The provided Twitter account is invalid.

  • Only include the relevant fragment, without "https://twitter.com/".
  • Do not prepend "@".
  • Visit the sandbox, in case you are making tests.

I'd like to see first whether the warning is enough.

Thanks for move javascript

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Summary by Matěj Suchánek

You are welcome!

Billinghurst (talkcontribs)

Just wanted to thank you again for the move script, I am finding it really useful for copying detailed items like special:diff/603745642 which apply to multiple people. Both a timesaver, and an accuracy maintainer.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

You are welcome!

Ogmios (talkcontribs)

Hi, you deleted Talk-Pages I used to take notes and collect data on the matching object. It may be that some rules in wd state that they are not supposed to be used like that but you could have at least you warned me in advance and explain why you decided to delete my notes. ~~~~

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

They were just a random piece of information, useful to nobody but you. Actually, some headline like "Notes about the subject" and your signature would likely have made me think that they can be useful to anyone. You can have your notes in your personal userspace, the purpose of talk pages is to discuss the content.

Ogmios (talkcontribs)

Well, your right that I should have described them better but deleting them without warning or notice is just extremely rude. I just collected all the data carefully and was not sure if I will need these bits of information later and you deleted them right away without warning. Obviously you didn't care but using the deletion template would have given me a chance to decide if correct the notes in a way the get useful for other editors, accept their deletion or move them if they are usful only for me.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I didn't know those were some "notes", for me they were just a random content, which doesn't belong to a talk page. That's why I deleted them. I may always restore them for you if you wish. (The deletion template is for users who cannot delete pages to indicate that a page should be deleted, why would I do that?) Having served for four years, I don't recall warning anyone before deleting "their" page.

Ogmios (talkcontribs)

Well I couldn’t figured out how to retrieve these pages so I have to retrieve the data from the sources a second time. Tanks a lot.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)
Jura1 (talkcontribs)

It doesn't matter what the link is about. The question is if you repurposed the item or not.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I don't consider the link something that establishes the purpose of the item. The item was a disambiguation because it had Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) and those descriptions. I'm certain the link used to be a disambiguation as well but the enwiki article was changed.

You will probably ask me why I let the item be just as it is now. I believe this is more transparent: I did some maintenance which will obviously result in deleting the item. I could delete it but another administrator should review my actions first (and eventually delete the item).

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

OK, I had assumed the "disambig" was an error from the contributor who added it...

in these kind of cases, how can I know whether it was originally a wrong P31 (an error from the Game for ex), or an article that was changed on the project ?

and if it was a change of the article, what should I do, then ?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I would say you can revert errors that didn't cause a significant change of the purpose. In this case, the statement was added shortly after the item was created, therefore its purpose was to be a disambiguation. I admit different users may have different opinion.

Given that the link doesn't belong to the item anymore and the item should not be repurposed, the best action is to remove the link from the item. If the item is not notable without the link, request deletion. Optionally, you can create a new item for the removed link.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

well, considering that the Game provoked some serial errors for Q5, disambig, etc. do you consider that I should, nevertheless move the link to a new item, to change the P31 ?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I wrote a bit vague statement: you can revert errors that didn't cause a significant change of the purpose. If a serial error changes the purpose significantly, the consequences may be serial as well. But this is all case by case and I'm afraid there is even no agreement among editors on this. Finally, I'm sorry if my revert disappointed you.

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

the revert in itself no... I did not understand why you considered this a repurpose... considering the only link present : for me it was a correction of an obvious wrong property, not a repurpose : to me, a repurpose is changing the properties of an item, to reuse it for my needs, not to describe the existing link...

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Maybe it's the sequence that isn't always clear:

  • an item describes a concept through its P31, description, other statements, identifier
  • sitelinks are added to/removed from such an item.
Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

ok, but when the P31 and description is added using an existing link that has not been removed, and is wrong... correcting it is not "repurpose", it's "correction" ;)

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

The purpose of the item is different before and afterwards ..

If someone made use of the item as per its description and statements, they would end up with something different.

Ben Skála (talkcontribs)

Ahoj, proč se nedá napsat, kdy člověk podepsal Chartu, když to ze zdrojů víme? Je přeci rozdíl, jestli to podepsal hned zkraje 77 nebo třeba na jaře 89.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Jak to že nedá?

Ben Skála (talkcontribs)

No, já nevim, smazals mi to. :)

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Nevšiml jsem si, že mažu jenom datum. Ale připsal jsem taky důvod: funguje pouze směrem dokument -> osoba. Takže pokud chceš přidávat, že někdo podepsal Chartu, musíš to všechno dělat tady: Q48629566.

Ben Skála (talkcontribs)

Jo, už jsem si říkal delší dobu, že by chtělo odlišit Chartu a Prohlášení Charty, takže dík.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)
Ben Skála (talkcontribs)

wtf

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

At real tennis (Q2360406), the bot add a fourth instance of the category.

It would really be better if these were present just once.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

The initial batch has just drained. I will find a way to deduplicate the rest.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Thanks. BTW, the bot could move them from the categories. I don't see what they are needed there for.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I hope we can have this sorted out soon. My bot is working only on a subset of items, though, I don't want it to do anything partially.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

It's a bit of a legacy feature. I went through some of them when trying to find people at Commons that don't have items. It just seems endless ..

Micru (talkcontribs)

Hi Matěj, I did try to move the markup with the text, but I couldn't save my edits and there was no way for me to discover where the error was, so I had to delete all the markup to be able to save.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

That's why I stopped using 2017 wikitext editor on Wikidata. When I attempted to save my changes, I was also blocked but had no problem to solve it using the old editor.

Micru (talkcontribs)

The solution is not to stop using the new wikitext editor, but to find what causes the trouble. If only I knew how!

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

By keeping all <translate> balanced.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

We have the option |showsource=false or true. Is there a way to put a parameter to the template that can make the template not to show any reference? I mean, I want the parameter of the template to show the reference. The template in correct. But in some cases, in some articles, by using the same template, I want not to show any references.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

In the article, you append the following to the infobox:

| noref = true

(or | noref = ναι, whatever you want).

Then, you will replace all showsource=true with showsource={{#if:{{{noref|}}}||true}}.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Thanks!

One more thing. References through Wikidata are working fine. Today, I have noticed a "problem". If the references is a book, is there a way to connect that book with the book references at the end of the article?

w:el:Α΄ κατηγορία ποδοσφαίρου ανδρών Κύπρου 1934-35

By clicking at [5], you go to reference list. By click authors names you go to the book reference. You can do the same if the references come from Wikidata. The link send you to the article of the author or to the item. I am not sure if that a problem. And I think we can't do anything about that. I am telling you just to know that.

Furthermore, do you know why ISBN is not showing for reference [1]? Maybe that's my problem. Is not showing the full reference... Yes, I am sure now, that's the problem. If the references of the book is correct, no problem. The only missing thing is ISBN, but there are two properties. ISBN-10 (P957) and ISBN-13 (P212). I have made one unsuccessful change to w:el:Module:Wikidata/cite.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

ISBN's should now work.

I'm not sure how I could solve the first problem. I mean, the infobox (or the modules inside) would need to know that there is this kind of reference somewhere in the article. Then, it would need to know where the link should point to (the "anchor") and also to be able to decide if a given reference is the relevant one.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Thanks!

Don't bother. Is not a problem. The reader can find the book from the reference list. Thanks!

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Yesterday you told me to create . I have maded it wrong and we have problems. I just change it like the English one. Is it ok? Do we really need it?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Well, you told me that the English semicolon is the Greek question mark. So I assumed you wanted to change this message to show something different than ";" when MediaWiki uses this message.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

You will only change the first semicolon. The second one is necessary because &#32; means "a space character".

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

That means there will be nothing but a space. If you want a comma (,), add it before & (and keep the rest).

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

But no problem for the symbol between qualifiers, right? It has done nothing with that.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Right, there is a separate translation system for them.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Wait.

"In Greek and Church Slavonic, a semicolon indicates a question, similar to a Latin question mark. To indicate a long pause or separate sections, each with commas (the semicolon's purpose in English), Greek uses, but extremely rarely, the "άνω τελεία", an interpunct ( · )."

No, just space is ok.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

This isn't question to me but Greek users. Use whatever you think is appropriate.

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Space.

Thanks!

Xaris333 (talkcontribs)

Some time ago you help me for w:el:Πρότυπο:Πληθυσμός απογραφών Κύπρου (for population history of Cyprus).

Now I am trying to do the same in English Wikipedia. en:Template:Population history Cyprus. But the Module:Wikidata is different there. If you know about their Module, can you help? I asked to village pump but nothing... Example en:Pelendri#Population history.

And, can we make the same for Czech Wikipedia? I have added all population history for municipalities and communities for Limassol District in Wikidata. Noticed, that most of the sources are in English and if some of them are in Greek, in Wikidata I have added also the translated titles etc. I can do the same for Czezh. I can apply the template to the places (if the have article to cz wikipedia). cs:Šablona:Population history Cyprus

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

You know that English Wikipedia isn't really keen on using Wikidata? (I heard, though, their latest RfC was a bit in favor.) So I think you are wasting time with that.

On Czech Wikipedia, we have already experimented charts and tables. It would be nice if you introduced your intentions at w:cs:Wikipedie:Wikidata/Nástěnka. This is the place where new Wikidata usage is reviewed and usually approved.

178.0.207.112 (talkcontribs)
178.0.207.112 (talkcontribs)

The correct label in these cases would be "In the Name of", the international distribution title. But if you don't know it, leave it out instead of adding wrong data.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

So why is there it:W imię... or pt:W imię...? Also, if you want to prevent my bot adding wrong labels, insert the correct ones instead.