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Do I need to list myself as a highest rank speaker to see labels in a desired language
[edit]I want to see Kasuga-taisha (Q714559) in Toki pona first just because I am looking at Toki pona labels, but I do not want to say I am a toki pona native speaker in my babel. Does just putting it first make it enough? Immanuelle (talk) 04:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- I am not sure about playing with my settings if it is just errors I am getting. Immanuelle (talk) 04:19, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- It should be sufficient to claim any level. Bovlb (talk) 05:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can confirm this, I see the labels even in the languages I claim as lang-1. Ymblanter (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- I meant that I would want to see Kasuga-taisha (Q714559) as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q714559?uselang=tok whereas currently only en label shows up. Immanuelle (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle: You are currently not claiming any level of tok in your userpage. You don't need to claim to be a native speaker (tok-5). You only need to claim the most basic level tok-1. I assume you can see nl, fr and ja labels as you are claiming basic understanding of these languages - if you can't, something is not working as expected. Pere prlpz (talk) 11:06, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- I meant that I would want to see Kasuga-taisha (Q714559) as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q714559?uselang=tok whereas currently only en label shows up. Immanuelle (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- I can confirm this, I see the labels even in the languages I claim as lang-1. Ymblanter (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- It should be sufficient to claim any level. Bovlb (talk) 05:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
P1480 and P5102
[edit]There exist two properties, which are often confused: sourcing circumstances (P1480) and nature of statement (P5102). The first one of them is a property of source, while the second one is a property of statement.
For example, on P1480 property page there are examples like Taiwan (Q865)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078)
One could argue that what's sufficient is just to change English description of sourcing circumstances (P1480) to "the truth or accuracy of from a source" and all the translations (for example, currently Russian and Ukrainian labels literally mean "circumstances of source"), but in my opinion... I don't really understand how this property could be useful then:
- if we want to convey meaning that a statement is disputed/inaccurate/etc ― we can use nature of statement (P5102) (or maybe we can create a new property like "nature/status/circumstances of value" for e.g. near (Q21818619)),
- if we want to convey meaning that the source is inaccurate ― we can use reason for deprecated rank (P2241),
- and I don't really see why'd we need to separate something like "the statement is disputed" and "the source is stating the statement is disputed" (sources are already meant to provide that! obviously per-qualifier sources would help but probably we'll never get that) or "the location is approximate" and "the source is stating the location is approximate".
Probably the simplest that we can do is to officially convert sourcing circumstances (P1480) into the "circumstances of value" qualifier and to prohibit values like disputed (Q18912752) from being used in it. Any thoughts? Well very well (talk) 04:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- sourcing circumstances (P1480) is not really a good property for the value disputed (Q18912752) and/or any similar items. nature of statement (P5102) is better QwertyZ34 (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. But currently the description of disputed (Q18912752) specially states its usage in sourcing circumstances (P1480). Well very well (talk) 05:10, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- We should change disputed (Q18912752) description from should be used with qualifier P1480 to indicate the source explicitly stated that value is disputed among experts. For example, "the author of this work is disputed, some say it is Plato" to should be used with qualifier P1480 and/or P1502 to indicate the source explicitly stated that value is disputed among experts. For example, "the author of this work is disputed, some say it is Plato" QwertyZ34 (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe better something like should be used with qualifier P1502 to indicate that value is disputed among experts. For example, the source explicitly states "the author of this work is disputed, some say it is Plato"? Well very well (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes 👍 it’s better QwertyZ34 (talk) 20:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe better something like should be used with qualifier P1502 to indicate that value is disputed among experts. For example, the source explicitly states "the author of this work is disputed, some say it is Plato"? Well very well (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- We should change disputed (Q18912752) description from should be used with qualifier P1480 to indicate the source explicitly stated that value is disputed among experts. For example, "the author of this work is disputed, some say it is Plato" to should be used with qualifier P1480 and/or P1502 to indicate the source explicitly stated that value is disputed among experts. For example, "the author of this work is disputed, some say it is Plato" QwertyZ34 (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. But currently the description of disputed (Q18912752) specially states its usage in sourcing circumstances (P1480). Well very well (talk) 05:10, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
Is a continent a geographic location?
[edit]I was surprised to see that North America (Q49) is not an instance of geographic location (Q2221906) - should it be? This is giving me constraint errors when I use it with habitat (P2974) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:31, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- You should use taxon range (P9714) and North America (Q49) is instance of geographical feature (Q618123), is this right? --Henrydat (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
Dealing with personal attacks?
[edit]I have received consistent personal attacks and bad faith accusations from a user over the course of 4 months. I believe the user simply wants to intimidate me away from using wikidata based on old disputes and editing mistakes, and this user has not tried to engage with me in a substantial way on policy in the last 4 months. What do I do? Immanuelle (talk) 22:38, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- Please provide links / diffs. — Chrisahn (talk) 23:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Chrisahn the user Mariobanana here
- August: accusations of lying
- September: later discussion
- October: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Engishiki_Shrine_entries followed me into a chat and repeated this sort of "dossier" type behavior and accusations of sockpuppetry
- November/December: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Proposed_automatic_edits in response to a very small test run of a script expressed opposition solely on my character and a sockpuppetry allegation. Did not object to the proposal for over a month of having been in the chat until I ran a test script implementing it. Admittedly it was not explicit in the earlier chat, but I terminated it immediately after he expressed objections and offered to revert the edits (later reverted all of them) and he never acknowledgeed it
- filed a checkuser on me over it
- Wikidata:井戸端#利用者に対するコメント依頼について thread on the Japanese project chat he made over it. Since I am not a Japanese speaker I cannot really participate
- I want to be clear I do think he had legitimate gripes with my edits. But it has been about 4 months of no meaningful engagement, and accusations of me not improving despite clear evidence to the contrary. Immanuelle (talk) 00:28, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- I posted the report at the Japanese project chat because I am a Japanese speaker. I posted the report about the actual editing behavior with the evidence. If the discussion venue is inappropriate, I will move it, and if necessary, I will take the time to create an English report. I'm struggling because I can't write complex English sentences quickly.
- I'm not a native English speaker, so my comments might seemed harsh to native speakers, but this is a message urging this person to change their behavior.
- In fact, this person's behavior has not improved. As recently as December 1st, this person attempted to input the identifier for a distant shrine without checking the Japanese Wikipedia(Tsurugi Shrine (Q11397991)). Mariobanana (talk) 03:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- I gave a clear edit summary explaining that I thought it was an accident like this and you fixed it. It was not an accident on your part and I thanked you. That’s not a super bad mistake. It is a part of normal collaboration. Immanuelle (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Chrisahn the user Mariobanana here
Listeriabot is duplicating a table
[edit]I found that Listeriabot here https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Sandbox&action=history is constantly duplicating a table instead of updating it. What is going on? Immanuelle (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think from reading the documentation that you forgot to add the line {{Wikidata list end}} Difool (talk) 04:14, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am testing it right now. Immanuelle (talk) 05:08, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- Works fine Immanuelle (talk) 05:43, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am testing it right now. Immanuelle (talk) 05:08, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
User script request: UI improvements
[edit]phab:T142082 "Add another 'Add statement' button on top to ensure consistent position" trundles on towards its tenth anniversary, with no resolution and no apparent consensus.
phab:T137681 "Add table of contents for items/properties on Wikidata" is not far behind.
Could someone kindly make a user script to do these things? It would need to work with the "compact items" gadget enabled. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
Wikispecies surname disambiguation
[edit]Should pages like species:Galvis, which list only people, be linked to Galvis (Q21496234): family name or Galvis (Q5519445): Wikimedia disambiguation page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:33, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- They are pretty clearly instance of Wikimedia human name disambiguation page (Q22808320). In fact, they are literally categorized under "People disambiguation pages" on Wikispecies! Circeus (talk) 18:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed. Hence my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:02, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- ... That means the wikispecies pages are disambiguation pages, because they are not pages giving linguistics and historical information about family names. *sigh* Circeus (talk) 01:09, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed. Hence my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:02, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
Please split local government (Q6501447)
[edit]I think there are two concepts in this item:
- The lowest tiers of governance or public administration.
- bnwiki: স্থানীয় সরকার হলো জনপ্রশাসনের বা সরকারের এমন একটি রূপ, যা সংখ্যা গরিষ্ঠতার ভিত্তিতে একটি প্রদত্ত রাষ্ট্রের মধ্যে প্রশাসনের সর্বনিম্ন পর্যায়ে অবস্থান করে।
- Google Translate: Local government is a form of public administration or government that is at the lowest level of administration within a given state based on numerical majority.
- Google Translate:
- elwiki: Η τοπική κυβέρνηση είναι (συνήθως) το χαμηλότερο επίπεδο της δημόσιας διοίκησης στα περισσότερα κράτη.
- Google Translate: Local government is (usually) the lowest level of public administration in most states.
- Google Translate:
- enwiki: Local government is a generic term for the lowest tiers of governance or public administration within a particular sovereign state.
- mswiki: Kerajaan tempatan merupakan kerajaan di peringkat paling rendah dalam sesuatu sistem kerajaan.
- Google Translate: Local government is the lowest level of government in a government system.
- Google Translate:
- bnwiki:
- The government that is not the central government.
- arwiki: الحكومة المحلية (بالإنجليزية: Local government) تشير إلى السلطات الإدارية على مناطق دول الكرة الأرضية التي هي أصغر من الدولة ويستخدم مصطلح الحكومة المحلية على النقيض من مكاتب الدولة على المستوى القومي، والتي يشار إليها باسم الحكومة الفيدرالية أو الحكومة المركزية أو الحكومة الوطنية.
- Google Translate: Local government refers to the administrative authorities over areas of the globe that are smaller than a state. The term local government is used in contrast to state offices at the national level, which are referred to as the federal government, central government, or national government.
- Google Translate:
- kowiki: 지방정부(地方政府)는 중앙정부에 대하여 지방의 자치 정부를 이르는 말이다.
- ChatGPT: A local government refers to a self-governing authority of a local area in relation to the central government.
- ChatGPT:
- jawiki: 地方政府(ちほうせいふ、(英語: local government、ドイツ語: Gebietskörperschaft)とは、国内における一定の地理的範囲に属する住民およびその代表と行政組織から構成される統治機構。中央政府との関係は、単一制国家と連邦制国家に大別される。
- Google Translate: A local government is a governing body consisting of residents within a certain geographical area within a country, their representatives, and an administrative organization. The relationship with the central government can be broadly divided into unitary states and federal states.
- Google Translate:
- zhwiki: 地方政府是指一個國家的特定地方內,具有規範性之自我治理能力(即所謂地方自治)的政權團體。地方政府是「中央政府」的對稱。
- Google Translate: Local government refers to a political entity within a specific part of a country that possesses normative self-governance capabilities (i.e., local autonomy). Local government is the counterpart to the "central government."
- Google Translate:
- arwiki:
I noticed this because the Chinese Wikipedia site link and Encyclopedia of China (Third Edition) ID (P10565) uses different terms ("地方政府" dìfāng zhèngfǔ vs "基层政府" jīcéng zhèngfǔ). P10565 of Q6501447 says:
- 政府组织体系中的一部分,处于体系中最低的一层级,包括县和乡/镇两级政府、市辖区政府及街道办事处。
- Google Translate: It is part of the government organizational system, at the lowest level, including county and township/town governments, municipal district governments, and subdistrict offices.
- Google Translate:
I think it must be split. But there are too many properties and sitelinks I cannot do it. Also, I can tell some language versions of Wikipedia get confused themselves, mixing up the two concepts. --魔琴 (talk) 14:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- It has an alias of regional_government. How would you model say a 4 level governmental system? Vicarage (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- What sources are there that currently have classifications? Does the UN has a classification system? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am not sure if this fits your case, but we do also have state government (Q1802419) and county government (Q106513499) - the latter is stated to be a subclass of local government (Q6501447). ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is also municipal government (Q4307514) as a subclass of local government (Q6501447). ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
the languages should have a german opption for the german poeple
[edit]I think we should add a link to the german translated wiki Rhett444 (talk) 23:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- As this is your very first edit on any Wikimedia site, you will have to be a bit clearer about what link you want to insert and where you think it should be inserted. From Hill To Shore (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Rhett444 it does if the information was added, see Ise Jingū (Q687168)
- if there isn’t a dewiki article like for this one Watazumi Shrine (Q18457651) then you have 4 wikipedia articles you can translate into German provided. Immanuelle (talk) 00:01, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
Does anything exist like twinkle to propose items for deletion?
[edit]There are a lot of items I accidentally created that want to delete. Is there an option to make the proposals quicker? Immanuelle (talk) 01:02, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
- In your preferences, under "Gadgets", you should find "RequestDeletion", but if you have a lot with the same rationale, it makes less work for others if you use a bulk deletion template (see top of WD:RFD). Bovlb (talk) 03:03, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
They don't see that there exist different from (P1889) at both items and they merging them despite everything. Only months later I realise they just merged two different items again and again. Eurohunter (talk) 00:29, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- The software doesn't let merge items if one of them links the other one, and such links need to be removed by hand before merging. If somebody is merging items when you think they shouldn't be merged, the problem is not that they don't see the link but another problem or disagreement.
- If you linked the involved items maybe other people would be able to figure what the problem is and even help fixing it. Pere prlpz (talk) 11:11, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
Request: Items needed for bibliographic authority control (author, work, series, publisher)
[edit]Hello,
I am requesting assistance from an experienced editor to create several Wikidata items, as I am subject to COI (Conflict of Interest) and cannot create them myself.
Below is all the verifiable information, including authority files, catalog records, DOI-verified academic work, and independent media coverage.
1) AUTHOR: G. R. Meneghetti
[edit]Authority identifiers:
- ISNI: 0000-0005-2907-1299
- ORCID: https://orcid.org/0009-0001-8706-0844
Library & catalog records:
- OCLC / WorldCat Author Record: https://search.worldcat.org/es/title/1546733074
- ProQuest Document ID (academic work): 32367976
Public profiles & metadata sources:
- Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/60918635.G_R_Meneghetti
- LibraryThing: https://www.librarything.com/author/meneghettigr
- OpenLibrary: https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL15969593A/G._R._Meneghetti
- StoryGraph: https://app.thestorygraph.com/profile/grmeneghetti
- Internet Archive (partial preview of the book): https://archive.org/details/el-ultimo-redentor-el-camino-del-cazador
- Image used by Google Knowledge Panel: https://i.imgur.com/NN5FZOW.jpeg
Official website:
https://grmeneghetti78.wixsite.com/grmeneghetti
Academic publication (for identity verification):
- DOI: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17763274
- Zenodo record: https://zenodo.org/records/17763274
Independent media coverage (secondary source):
- Article/interview (CFIN – news outlet): https://www.cfin.com.ar/sociedad/el-ultimo-redentor-gerardo-r-meneghetti-trilogia-santafesina/
2) BOOK: El Último Redentor: El camino del cazador
[edit]- ISBN: 978-631-306-946-0
- Google Books: https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=IxqREQAAQBAJ
- Apple Books: https://books.apple.com/us/book/el-%C3%BAltimo-redentor/id6754270776
- OCLC: 1546733074
- Cover image (CloudLibrary): https://images.yourcloudlibrary.com/delivery/img?type=DOCUMENTIMAGE&documentID=a3efy8r9&size=ORIGINAL
- Publisher: Tinta Libre Ediciones (Argentina), 2025
3) SERIES: El Último Redentor (trilogy)
[edit]Books included:
- El camino del cazador
- El clamor de sangre
- El ocaso de la luz
4) PUBLISHER: Tinta Libre Ediciones
[edit]Small press based in Córdoba, Argentina.
Website: https://tintalibre.com.ar/
Thank you
[edit]If an editor could assist in creating these items, I would greatly appreciate it.
All sources above are independent, verifiable, and meet Wikidata’s notability policies.
Thank you in advance. G.R.Meneghetti (talk) 00:44, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Crucial context: Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2025/11#Request_for_mass_undeletion_review:_G.R._Meneghetti,_“El_Último_Redentor”_(book_and_trilogy),_and_“Tinta_Libre_Ediciones”_(publisher)
- A respectful request would have included this. Bovlb (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Bovlb.
- Understood and thank you for providing the previous context link.
- This updated request consolidates all current authority identifiers and independent sources,
- so that an experienced editor can review and create the items without COI concerns.
- I appreciate your time.
- — G.R.MeneghettiThank you, Bovlb, and apologies for not including the prior context. G.R.Meneghetti (talk) 10:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Asking other editors to do your bidding after having an appeal rejected is clear solicitation. As I see it, this counts as abuse in the blocking policy. Infrastruktur (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
Could someone explain to me what exactly makes some identifiers authority controls and others not?
[edit]I have never been able to understand that. The way identifiers are designated feels very random. On some type of Wikidata property (Q107649491) items the terms identifier and authority control are even used interchangable through the label and alias Trade (talk) 12:27, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Trade I think it is just as much as authority control identifiers are seen as more robust and authoritative. The NDL Authority ID (P349) of something is something I trust to stay the same a lot longer than the wiki.gg article ID (P11988). A lot of ids are specifically meant to be authority control from day one. But the main difference is the perceived stability. Immanuelle (talk) 12:31, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- So since they are authoritative shouldn't they all have instance of (P31)→Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)? Trade (talk) 12:58, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think you should equate authority control identifiers with being authoritative (whatever that means in the Wikidata context), or with suggesting notability. There may be some correlation, but they're separable concerns. Bovlb (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- So since they are authoritative shouldn't they all have instance of (P31)→Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)? Trade (talk) 12:58, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- I understand "authority control" to be a subset of identifiers. For something to be AC there can only be a single item per identifier and all the identifiers have to be unique. In addition there have have to be a single issuer for the ID, this would be what is referred to as the "authority" here. An authority record holds information connected with the identifier and this is put in a database called an authority file. For instance it is possible there might have been several people named Ludvig Holberg, but Ludvig Holberg (Q216692) refers to a specific one, so the name is an identifier (it identifies someone or something) but only the QID qualifies as AC. Infrastruktur (talk) 17:44, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- Do you agree there is an issue with identifiers being labelled as authority control indiscriminately? Trade (talk) 18:14, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- I haven't noticed this causing any problems, but conflation is a problem in and of itself. Unless one works in a library, museum or other place where they do cataloging very often, most people have probably never heard of it, I didn't know what it was until I started contributing on Wikidata either. I attempted to make a definition at the page Help:Authority control, but since I'm about as far from Holberg as it gets, I'm sure the language there could use some improvement. Infrastruktur (talk) 08:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- Do you agree there is an issue with identifiers being labelled as authority control indiscriminately? Trade (talk) 18:14, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
depicts for abstract art?
[edit]Hi, Q18709525 (abstract art by Kandinsky): MNAM artwork ID requires a depicts statement. But by definition, abstract art doesn't depict anything. So? Yann (talk) 12:32, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think what you want is "no value". DS (talk) 15:28, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
instance of work of art
[edit]Hi, Is there a guideline about which property should be used for artworks? I guess painting is to be used for old paintings, but for other cases, I don't know: gouache, watercolor, mixed medium, etc., e.g. Q137270417. Thanks, Yann (talk) 13:07, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
Pls check something like manual merge made by user:Glenn, while previous merge attempts were reverted. Special:WhatLinksHere/Q2869943 isn't empty, so even if a merger is necessary, it must be done in a proper way. Romano1981 (talk) 05:16, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- How do I do it the proper way? Glenn (talk) 05:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
Bridging the Gap: How to map generic verbs ('was in', 'starred in') to P161 semantically? (Neuro-Symbolic Experiment)
[edit]Hi Wikidata community,
I'm working on a Neuro-Symbolic fact-checking system (LLM + Wikidata) and hit an interesting "Semantic Gap" in property resolution. I'd love to hear your thoughts on modeling this.
The Oddity (Discovery) My system decomposes claims into (Subject, Predicate, Object) and maps Predicates to Wikidata Properties using aliases.
✅ "acted in" → P161 (cast member): Success. ✅ "appeared in" → P161: Success. ❌ "starred in" → Fail: LLM treats it as distinct from "acted in". ❌ "was in" → Fail: Too generic (could be P161, P19, P551...).
The Core Question We know "starred in" conceptually maps to P161 (cast member) (perhaps with a qualifier for 'lead role').
My question is: Is there a standard way within Wikidata's ontology to link these specific verbs to properties?
For example:
Should I rely on Wikidata Lexemes (linking the verb "star" to P161)? Is there a "mapping property" that connects verbs to properties? Or is the community standard simply to treat "starred in" as a synonym alias for P161? I ran this SPARQL query to check P161 aliases:
SELECT ?prop ?propLabel ?alias WHERE {
VALUES ?prop { wd:P161 }
?prop skos:altLabel ?alias .
SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en". }
} Result: 247 aliases found (actor, actress, cast, voice actor, etc.) Missing: "starred in", "star in", "lead actor", "lead role"
I'm trying to avoid hard-coding strict rules if a more "Wikidata-native" solution exists.
Context Project: Neuro-Symbolic FEVER solver Current Accuracy: ~34% (Bottleneck is this predicate resolution) Impact: Fixing this verb-to-property gap could improve accuracy to 40%+ Evidence SPARQL Query Results: 247 aliases for P161, but no "starred in" Test Cases:
✅ "Gabrielle Union acted in a movie" → Verified via P161 ❌ "Joan Cusak was in a film" → Property resolution failed ❌ "Neve Campbell starred in a Netflix series" → Property resolution failed Request Any pointers on how you handle this "Verb-to-Property" ambiguity would be amazing!
Specifically:
Should I propose adding "starred in" as a skos:altLabel for P161? Or is there an existing mechanism I'm missing? Thanks in advance! Zerospawn01 (talk) 13:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- Just answering one of the questions: I don't think it makes sense to link lexemes to the properties directly. However, it may sometimes be so that a lexeme sense links to the value for the Wikidata item of this property (P1629) of a property. Ainali (talk) 16:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
Request the restoration of the deleted item "Winson" (Q136786504).
[edit]Hello,
I would like to request the restoration of the deleted item "Winson" (Q136786504).
The company meets Wikidata's notability requirements as it is covered by reliable, independent, and secondary sources. In particular, it is explicitly mentioned in the following article from FashionNetwork, a highly reputable professional media outlet widely used as a source on Wikidata and Wikipedia in the fashion and retail sectors:
FashionNetwork — "Tally Weijl France: two global takeover offers have been submitted" https://fr.fashionnetwork.com/news/Tally-weijl-france-deux-offres-de-reprise-globales-ont-ete-deposees,1590684.html
This article cites Winson as one of the companies involved in a takeover offer for Tally Weijl France. FashionNetwork is considered a trustworthy, independent, and authoritative source, which establishes verifiable notability for the company according to Wikidata inclusion criteria for organizations.
For reference, the official French SIREN number of the company Winson is **532406634**, confirming its legal existence and identity.
I therefore request that the item be restored, or that an admissibility discussion be opened.
Thank you.
--StanJamesParis (talk) 13:57, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- See existing thread at Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard#Request_the_restoration_of_the_deleted_item_"Winson"_(Q136786504).. PLease do not open duplicate discussions. Bovlb (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
| I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Bovlb (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC) |
Wikidata weekly summary #709
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need to change "Allen Gilbert Cram" to "Allan Gilbert Cram"
[edit]w:Mildred Cram is his sister
I don't know how to change Allen Gilbert Cram to Allan Gilbert Cram' for
change Allen Gilbert Cram (Q4731662) to Allan Gilbert Cram (Q4731662)
and commons
commons:Creator:Allen Gilbert Cram should be commons:Creator:Allan Gilbert Cram
commons:Creator:Allen Gilbert Cram should be commons:Creator:Allan Gilbert Cram
proof:
https://fau.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fau%3A83057
https://www.loc.gov/item/17028900/
https://archive.org/details/oldseaporttowns00cram
https://books.google.com/books?id=2-ZCAAAAIAAJ
https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cram%2C%20Allan%20Gilbert
Piñanana (talk) 20:26, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Piñanana: User:TSventon has fixed the label here in Wikidata. However if you want to change the title of the wikipedia page that's not something we can do here, you will have to bring this up on w:Allen Gilbert Cram. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- I have just posted some advice on the en Wikipedia talk page. You would need to ask on Commons to fix things there, but I would fix en Wikipedia first. TSventon (talk) 21:24, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
Archiving issue
[edit]On the page Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Shinto I have been having problems with the archive bot seemingly archiving 7 day old posts instead of 90 day old posts, and I think it is making a mistake since I copypasted too much from this page without changing the code. Can someone look at the archiving code and fix it? Immanuelle (talk) 05:44, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- You have set two independent archiving jobs.
{{Autoarchive resolved section}}is mostly for sections resolved manually using{{Section resolved}}, but it apparently supports archiving stale discussions, too. You can turn this off bytimeout = 0. (The other one is{{User:Hazard-Bot/Archiver}}, where you only tune thealgoparameter.) --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:23, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
