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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Pintoch/Archive 1 on 2017-06-21.

Wikibase + OpenRefine integration question

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Battleofalma (talkcontribs)

Hi, I was referred to you by Simon Cobb. I work at Wikimedia UK and we are considering supporting a project where part of it is to do some development work that integrates OpenRefine with Wikibase. This simple description of the goal is all I have right now, but I could get more detail of the specifics.

But based on that very open ended description, do you think this a worthwhile enterprise or would this be an unnecessary embellishment? Thanks ~~~~

Battleofalma (talkcontribs)

^ Sorry, force of habit to sign with four tilds...

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Hi!

Thanks for getting in touch. I think it would be a very useful development. This is a highly requested feature.

At the last Wikibase workshop we have drafted a way for Wikibase instances to expose more of their own configuration to ease the integration. I have then drafted a roadmap for this feature (in terms of the actual changes to OpenRefine).

All the best!

Battleofalma (talkcontribs)

OK this is good to know. I sensed it would be useful, but I had some mixed responses that gave me a few doubts so I'm looking for more affirmation.

If it's ok I'll pass on the roadmap as it might be useful.

Thanks

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Okay! I would be curious to know what concerns you have heard.

I think it is generally good practice to make sure that the tools gravitating around Wikidata are applicable to any Wikibase instance. Among the feedback that I have received when presenting the integration at various events, this was definitely a recurring request (to my own surprise - I had just underestimated the momentum of third-party Wikibase instances). One other request I have had was the integration with Structured Commons (which is similar but harder work).

Feel free to pass on the roadmap, it is publicly available.

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Susannaanas (talkcontribs)

Hi!

I will be running a workshop about OpenRefine 3.0 with the Finnish Broadcasting Company and the Finnish Institute for the Languages in October. If there's anything you'd like us to tackle or know or anything, please let me know!

Cheers, Susanna

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

That is awesome, thanks a lot for letting me know! Do you know what sort of data this audience is interested in? Are you looking for datasets to demonstrate OpenRefine on, maybe?

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Next step for new property

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Summary by Amadalvarez

Move forward and create properties

Amadalvarez (talkcontribs)

The creation process of Wikidata:Property proposal/state of conservation was stopped after 2 months when it had a lot OKs and someone proposed to split in two properties. Then, you changed the status to wait for a new votation.

Now it's splitted, the two new proposals are voted again and I will be grateful if you can change the status to make it move forward. Thanks a lot

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Sure! In the future, feel free to set |status=ready yourself in this case. That helps attract the attention of property creators.

Amadalvarez (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your help and for the information about chage status.

Summary by Pintoch

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GZWDer (talkcontribs)
Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Sure, thanks for pointing that out.

Denis.arnaud (talkcontribs)
Pintoch (talkcontribs)

you are welcome!

Nomen ad hoc (talkcontribs)

Bonjour Pintoch ! J'aimerais bien avoir un avis de forme sur Wikidata:Property proposal/Numdam author ID. De ton point de vue, les liens proposés ici sont-ils de simples résultats de recherche, ou peut-on avoir la garantie d'avoir des identifiants uniques (et pas des pages qui mêlent divers homonymes) ?

Bien à toi.

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Bonjour! Instinctivement je serais assez méfiant en effet, mais ArthurPSmith a récemment créé une propriété qui avait le même défaut, donc visiblement ce n'est pas rédhibitoire. À bientôt!

Nomen ad hoc (talkcontribs)

Merci de ton avis ! Je verrai si je la repropose. À bientôt !

Micru (talkcontribs)

Hi Pintoch, when you create a new property, could you please put it in the right category? For instance, Property:P5482 was created as "instance of:Wikidata property", but it is more specific to say "instance of:Wikidata property related to music". If you need guidance as of where a property belongs, you can check the property tree: https://tools.wmflabs.org/prop-explorer/

If you want to have the property import automated, then it would be better to modify the property proposal template, so that the proposer can fill in in which category the property belongs.

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Hi,

I unfortunately don't have much time to invest into this at the moment. If the proposal template is adapted to store this category, I would be happy to adapt my script to reuse this information. One other kind of information that User:Thierry Caro has been adding to many properties is country (P17) - that could probably have its own slot in the property proposal template.

I can also stop creating properties if that is an issue for you.

Cheers, Pintoch

Micru (talkcontribs)

Hi, no please, continue creating properties, just check that the "instance of" is pointing to the right place. It is not much effort.

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

It requires effort in the sense that I would need to know which categories exist and how they are organized - I am not interested in this classification myself, so I prefer to leave the task to people who know the classification and use it somewhere (for instance Mixnmatch, I think).

Micru (talkcontribs)

Most of the time it is just about looking for a similar property or looking for a keyword in the property explorer. On the other hand it would be nice if your script for creating properties would be available as a tool for other property creators. Do you think it is possible?

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Yes it is relatively simple but it adds an extra step to my workflow, which is currently just "paste the property proposal page name and hit enter".

Yes, I definitely plan to release my script when I consider it stable enough.

Pintoch (talkcontribs)
Infovarius (talkcontribs)
Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Thanks! Looks like these are reconciliation errors indeed.

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Ivan A. Krestinin (talkcontribs)
Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Thanks, I replied there.

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Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I'd expect a property creator to at least attempt to address concerns with arguments they brought up in discussions. What do you think?

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

I would expect property proposers not to harass people who take the time to comment on their proposals. Can you please stop?

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

If you don't want people to address your arguments, I'm fine with that.