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Archival time reduced[edit]

There are currently 98 sections on this page. I've reduced the archival time to 3 days (from the previous 5) to see if that makes it a bit more navigable. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Make sense, let us see whether three days is a proper time.--Ymblanter (talk) 00:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Wow [1]. Figure we should stick with the 3-day archival time for a week or so, and then adjust as needed. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 08:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
in my opinion instead of archiving fast we should separate chat pages like because many users don't check this page every day so they will ask a question many time!Reza1615 (talk) 09:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, it would be worth dividing the English one into subpages. Ajraddatz (Talk) 12:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
More useful would be, IMHO, to use the templates which allow requesting bot-archival of resolved sections. There was a lot of clutter and I didn't find an easy way to mark sections as dealt with. Could someone check whether the bot uses this feature and document the syntax to use? --Nemo 16:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I agree that it'd be better for the archiving bot to archive after a discussion was closed, rather than just after a short time period (though we'd want to auto-archive at, say, 14 days anyway to avoid things getting stale). I also think that 3 days is way too short given the number of things people need to keep track of to answer here - I've just has to rescue a thread I started four days ago which didn't come to a conclusion. James F. (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

And now we're at 18 sections only, hence raised to a more standard 7 days. --Nemo 19:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Wiki, please.[edit]

A link in the site/hatnote to somewhere explaining what phase II is, might be useful. (This is in reaction to note saying: Phase II is live; please use the project chat to discuss any issues.) Buzz-tardis (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC) [edit oops, not irc] Buzz-tardis (talk) 07:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Archiving closed subsections after 1 day[edit]

Is it possible to change Bot's code to archive subsection that is closed, after 1 day (which has {{Archive top}}) ? to archive them faster than normal subsections▬ Reza1615 / T 15:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

  • The closed subsections are still edited by stewards, it should be one day from the last edit.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Now subsection 3 days after last day archives by bot I proposed to change it to 1 day for closed subsections▬ Reza1615 / T 15:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I know, my point is it should be one day after the last edit, not one day after closure. I have no objections to changing three days to one.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Some time ago I emailed Xqt (PyWikipedia developer) asking for a patch since he understands the code better than I do. I haven't gotten any replies, and have since tried some things, but unsuccessfully. If I can't have it patched, I might have to have a separate code written for this.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  03:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I had asked Wikimedia Commons user Euku to either run his bot (SpBot) here, or to release his code, and he said it shouldn't be a huge problem, and that he'd take a look later.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  00:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Hazard-SJ, any update? --Nemo 19:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Nemo, SpBot had been operating here earlier (see approval), but for whatever reason stopped. I just sent the operator a message regarding this.  Hazard SJ  06:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Multilingual project chat[edit]

I hereby propose to get rid of the 53 non-English project chats we currently have and rather make the current English-only project chat a multilingual place. There is no point in having 54 project chats of which most probably only 1 is monitored frequently. Vogone talk 21:38, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

  • That seems reasonable considering that every other discussion page on Wikidata is multilingual. The Anonymouse (talk) 04:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Agreed, probably the most sensible thing to do. Ajraddatz (Talk) 04:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Not that I oppose, but for non-English (and possibly non-speakers of a couple of more active languages such as German) this would actually mean that instead of a project chat with one new topic per week, which can be monitored weekly, they will get in the watchlist a high-traffic page where 95% of all discussions are not interested or not comprehensible to them, and the interesting discussions are archived much faster they would normally check them out.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Not that I oppose either, but this is NOT the right place to discuss this. As a minimum it should be mentioned (linked) on all 53 non-English project chats. HenkvD (talk) 08:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I like that I can monitor the languages I know. --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:54, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose not a problem for me, but maybe it's little problematic for new users, and I think that it's not so easy to get answer in this Project chat than in local project chat, because here it's harder to notice discussions with own language. Also, project chat will be full of discussions with different languages. Maybe some sub page for project chat would be better, like Project chat/non-English. --Stryn (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree with the arguments of Stryn, but I also see a problem with disjoint chats where important things are discussed in one language without the speakers of others languages knowing about the discussion. For someone asking a question or something like that there is no need for other language communities to get involved, but important discussions and notifications should as much as possible come across to everyone. Byrial (talk) 10:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I would Symbol support vote.svg Support it for Swedish since I see Swedishspeaking WD-users prefer the WP-village-pump instead, except for those active on the English. -- Lavallentalk(block) 11:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I think we should rather have a tool to easily post notices on various project pages. --Zolo (talk) 12:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose In some cases monolingual spaces can be useful for discussing topics concerning only the community of one language. And then there are people that do not participate to general discussions because they do not comprehend English language. --Paperoastro (talk) 12:16, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment - if this proposal doesn't pass, then the scope of the project chat needs to be better specified. Often cases, votes happen on the English page, but that isn't really a good thing since users of other languages might not know about them (such as this discussion). Any votes should be kept to RfCs if there are still 54 project chats, IMO. Ajraddatz (Talk) 14:11, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
That is true. These miny-RfCs should really go to the RfC page. The administrators should keep an eye out for those things and start the RfC. But the translation effort is always a problem. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose to merging the chat pages, but Symbol support vote.svg Support to improve the RfC process, giving time to translate the outcome that will be voted on and then invite the different language communities (in Wikipedia) to participate in the voting process at least. Maybe we should make a different between "major" Rfc's and "minor", some of them are not that conflictive.--Micru (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict)I have to Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose this without a system for interlanguage communication (otherwise, this is pointless). I already monitor the two project chats in the languages I know (en and fr). However, our RfC process needs help and I don't see why RfCs aren't getting translated.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. The non-English versions are quite heavily used. Merging the project chats would result in a page that in mostly incomprehensible to pretty much everyone, anglophones included. --Yair rand (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment. Probably some can be dispensed with. I monitor French and Hebrew. French is a reasonably active one; Hebrew is almost never used. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • That is not used now doesn't mean that it won't be used next year, and by deleting it that possibility would be reduced to zero.--Micru (talk) 15:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Instead of closing diverse project chat pages, you should allow non-translatable pages to be translated دوستدار ایران بزرگ (talk) 15:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment maybe is more useful to create an international project chat for general discussions and keep local chat --ValterVB (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment What about a solution that combines the advantages of the original proposal for a centralized location for discussion, while addressing the concerns about discussions in a user's preferred language(s) being swamped by others they're not familiar with? What if we combined all project chats into one, using a mechanism and structure that allowed users to opt in to having only a subset of those discussions on display by default? Visibility can be controlled by css or parser functions which can show or hide content conditionally. For example, if each reply was embedded in a template{{chat|fr|identifié par la langue du commentaire, par éxemple dans un modèle comme ça}}, then along with the proper selection mechanism (on-page checkbox widget, common.js, or perhaps transclusion of values from an optional, user-defined page Special:MyPage/MyLangs) the rendered page could show by default only those discussions in languages the user opted in for.
In order not be be swamped even by the overhead of a single horizontal [ hide/show ] row per language, which would add up to a lot of clutter even unexpanded, the hiding would probably have to be complete (i.e., no hide/show row—i.e., zero vertical space usage when display:invisible), which raises the question how to indicate missing content in undesired languages if you don't use a bit of vertical space for that, and maybe you can't. A pro-forma intro statement at the top could indicate in a single line what languages were included in the discussion: This Discussion contains content in ar de en fr it; please use the checkbox widget/adjust your common.js/your Special:MyPage/Mylangs to view missing content. That would probably have to be kept up to date by hand, but I don't think it would be too onerous to add a two-character tag to it for each new language entering the discussion for the first time, and I think people would be motivated to do so to advertise their own content so to speak, and others would step in and help out when someone else forgets. Imperfect, but the somewhat low-techiness of it is a lot easier to implement, imho, but gets the job done 95% of the time. Mathglot
For one implementation idea, compare {{NOEXTERNALLANGLINKS}} here. Mathglot (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


Moved to WD:Project chat#Domatium.

Create Account is broken[edit]

Moved to WD:Project chat#Create Account is broken.

Creating an interwiki link[edit]

Moved to WD:Project chat#Creating an interwiki link.


Hazard-Bot can't archive first two sections from Project chat because they aren't signed. --XXN (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I archived them manually. --Stryn (talk) 19:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


What does this code in the top of Project Chat?

|- style="vertical-align: top;"
| style="width: 50%;" | __TOC__
| style="width: 50%; padding-left: 1.2em;" |
            PROJECTS NEWS
{{Main Page/Frame
 | color      = 006699
 | title      = Wikidata: Ongoing projects and meta-pages[[Wikidata:Project/Hot potatoes|<sup>[edit]</sup>]]
 | content    = <div>{{Wikidata:Project/Hot potatoes}}</div>

--Pasleim (talk) 22:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Be bold You can delete it and see what happens. It can just be reverted if it's a problem. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Language of reference of the forum page[edit]

I believe the link for the English talk page here should be and not just, for German, not just and so on. Otherwise I see references on the talk page in a language different than the speaker, which either makes the communication hard, or involves me switching the languages all the time manually. --eugrus (talk) 15:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

"setlang" changes the language of the interface elements all over the page, and for all subsequent pages viewed on wikidata (until you change it to something else, e.g., by going back to Special:Preferences). "uselang" only changes the default language for that particular viewing of the page, without changing how any other pages are displayed to you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok, uselang in this case. But now neither is used in Template:ProjectChatLanguages --eugrus (talk) 11:12, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, I may have a reason to visit Wikidata:Forum sometimes, but if I find myself in a Deutsch environment, I am completly Lost in Translation (Q107270). -- Innocent bystander (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
For instance to read this message I had to switch the language manually from Russian to English ;) --eugrus (talk) 15:14, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if there's a way to set the language (maybe using CSS or something) only for the body of the page, without affecting the edit buttons, the links in the left sidebar, etc. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot failure[edit]

Why did the bot just do this: [2]? The second section was posted here today, not 7 days ago. --тнояsтеn 06:57, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The bot doesn't allow comments after signatures. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
So this should fix it? Stupid bot. --тнояsтеn 07:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


Moved to Wikidata:Project chat#Q227861


Merge of de:Kategorie:Alessandro Volta and en:Category:Alessandro Volta ? 14:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done Pamputt (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Total mess[edit]

Wiki Instance of organised crime in a gang primally instance of crime related to robbery/thiefs Include robbing from the rich and giving to the poor and folk heroes This is narrow concept, related to activity in concrete region
pl:Zbójnictwo (As analogical people to this term there is pl:zbójnicy) Yes Yes Yes Yes
cs:Zbojnictví (As analogical person to this term there is cs:Zbojník) Yes Yes Yes Yes
nl:Struikroverij (as analogical person there is redirect nl:Struikrover) Yes Yes Yes No
en:Banditry (as analogical person there is redirect en:Bandit but d:Q1521259 exist) and most of d:Q10968653 Yes (there is also redirect en:Gangsterism) No No No
it:Banditismo Yes Yes No No (there is it:Banditismo nell'età moderna and it:Brigantaggio)
hi:डकैती No Yes No No (there is d:Q16241335
ja:盗賊 No Yes No No
cy:Banditiaeth (It is most propably en:Template:Cleanup reorganize)  ??  ??  ??  ??
fa:راهزنی Most propably it compare with d:Q915425 Yes No No Yes
zh:盜賊 No Yes No No

Dawid2009 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


In German: Der Prozess (Oper) is in English: Der Prozeß (opera), "The link enwiki:Der Prozeß (opera) is already used by item Q28228298. You may remove it from Q28228298 if it does not belong there or merge the items if they are about the exact same topic." - The English title is the original, German used new orthography. It's still the same opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: fixed! I've merged the two items. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

My mistake[edit]

Sommerliche Musiktage Hitzacker: I connected it wrong (en to a category), but de and en should be connected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I moved the en sitelink. --Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Soubrette vs French maid[edit]

There is a somewhat confused situation between the concepts soubrette Q836983, and French maid Q3775843. English has two articles for these, w:Soubrette and w:French maid, as does Spanish. But Q836983 is linked to some languages which have the musical/operatic meaning, some which have the French maid meaning, and some which have both:

What the article corresponding to Q836983 is about on various wikipedias:

  • Music/opera: cs de en eo es hu lb nl no pl pt
  • French maid: fr sv
  • combo of both: it ru

This needs unscrambling. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 22:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

The Italian version of Soubrette (Q836983) is tagged as desambiguation page.
el, fi, io, sk are about the opera singer.
ka is confusing for me, possibly be about the opera singer (is in Category:Theatre (Q6995484)). --Metrónomo (talk) 15:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Italian version isn't a disambiguation, don't confuse this template, with this --ValterVB (talk) 18:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)