User talk:MartinPoulter

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Best regards! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 19:55, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Barra Head Lighthouse[edit]

Hello MartinPoulter, Can you look into Berneray (Q31120052) you created? It seems duplicate of Barra Head Lighthouse (Q3378173). Also, when I follow the Historic Scotland link among the external identifiers, what I find is not Barra Head lighthouse... Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 10:18, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Lymantria: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. They are not duplicates because the new item is an ancient hillfort and the old item is a 19th century lighthouse. The hillfort is located in what is now the grounds of the lighthouse. The Historic Scotland link is clearly wrong, though, so I've removed it and will look into what happened in that upload. It may be an error in the source database. Thanks again, MartinPoulter (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi Martin, I don't think it's a good idea to classify ancient vase shapes as subclass of "vase". Vase today has d different meaning than the archaeologicals use of the word. So in case of ancient vase shapes, it's always better to use "greek vases", "roman vases", "cypriot vaes" etc. Marcus Cyron (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Marcus Cyron: Okay, understood. I can't remember the edit you're referring to, but feel free to revert it. I think the category tree for pots is a bit messed up, but I'll set out the problem and seek community advice before doing anything drastic. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 19:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC) PS. I think there ought to be a pathway from any vase (modern or ancient) to container (Q987767)
Looking again, I see I was just bringing about consistency with these (presently 10 items):
  ?item wdt:P279 wd:Q738680.
  ?item wdt:P279 wd:Q191851

Try it!

Feel free to change the category from "vase" to "container". MartinPoulter (talk) 19:54, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

The way is the italian word "vas". But the modern vase for flowers did come a different way. A way over bigger pots, made of marble and stone in the Renaissance. And these came from ancient "vases" - but not the one made of clay, but the marble ones. The ways can be complycated... ;). Maybe we must split the archaeological term "vase" from the narmal use. Marcus Cyron (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Glad to have someone involved who knows about this stuff. It's not my topic, although I'm negotiating with some academics in Oxford about it. Take a look at the category tree and please be bold in improving it. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 20:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
@Marcus Cyron: While you're at it, can you take a look at skyphos (Q1136095) stamnos (Q1421582) and pelike (Q1539580)? They have subclass of (P279) vase shape (Q24012047), so I expect "vase shape" is wrong for the same reasons. MartinPoulter (talk) 20:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
I actually work in the whole field of ancient pottery. I will rework a lot. But this will need some time and will be not finished in a short time. I do it parallel here, on Commons, and at Wikipedia... Marcus Cyron (talk) 21:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)