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Adding pronunciation to an item[edit]

Is the audio property meant for things like this? See diff]. Thanks in advance, Jane023 (talk) 14:46, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

No, IMHO this should be done with pronunciation audio (P443). Lymantria (talk) 14:58, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Jane023 (talk) 15:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Pronunciations are problematic. We do not have the right environment to indicate what it should be. It is much more useful at the time when we support Wiktionary. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 12:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Request a volunteer?[edit]

Sometimes I am looking for easy tasks to do, maybe we could have a page with Wikidata:Request a volunteer listing simple tasks that any user could accomplish in a short time. What do you think?--Micru (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Tasks to do by what means? --Succu (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Short tasks that can be done manually, or semi-automated. For fully automated tasks we already have Wikidata:Bot requests.--Micru (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Do you think that you would want to do manual tasks that someone writes on such a page? ChristianKl (talk) 00:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • As you are asking for it: Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Tools has a list of tasks .. maybe there is one that interests you. You could also think about an aspect of films we don't cover yet and suggested how we can close that gap.
    --- Jura 22:31, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
@Micru: volunteers are always wanted to work on these, these or these:) --XXN, 11:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Spaces in formatted URLs[edit]

On File Format Wiki page ID (P3381) none of the examples work because in the formatted URL the spaces have been replaced by plus signs. Curiously, when you go to the property's documentation, where its Wikidata property examples are transcluded, the spaces are kept and the links work! Any ideas to create working links? Thanks! --Azertus (talk) 22:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

For now I've added instructions to use underscores instead of spaces, but it would be nice if this was not necessary... --Azertus (talk) 14:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Deprecation of gender-specific sibling properties[edit]

Where was the deprecation of brother (P7) and sister (P9) decided? Coincidentally, I'd just today read up on the discussions I could find about this issue and my take-away was that no consensus was reached yet. I'm not commenting on the proposal itself, just curious to know where the discussion happened. --Azertus (talk) 16:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata:Requests for comment/Make family member properties gender neutral --Pasleim (talk) 16:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
The RfC Make family member properties gender neutral has been being linked above your watchlist for a longer time now. There is also Wikidata:Property proposal/sibling. —MisterSynergy (talk) 16:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
They might be kept as subproperties wherever gender is not a problem. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, but unclosed and inconclusive RfC cannot be reason for deprecation of properties with 10,000+ uses on WD and multiple uses in multiple templates on wikis.--Jklamo (talk) 02:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
I totally agree. My personal approach is that I do not add any siblings but prefer to add fathers and mothers. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 12:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
I tend to agree (coincidental similar opening due to edit conflict!). At the very least any proposal to deprecate these properties should come with a solid plan to migrate to the new property (probably bot-assisted). Adding the (deprecated) label to such a highly visible property doesn't reflect well on the project. To a casual visitor to one of our items this would probably not instill much confidence in our ability to responsibly curate their possible future edits/work on here.
Also, "But the plans were on display...", they were indeed at the RFC page and now I remember I indeed visited it. But the opinion seemed to be very much split at the time of my visit. It is indeed listed on the Watchlist as well, but I know my eyes are trained to scan and select the information I want from that page and neurologically we are probably effectively blind to such other additions to the page. I would support a more visible process for proposals (properties, RFCs, etc.) that are about to close. Instead of closing a property, maybe it could be marked instead, starting a deadline of a couple of days during which it is advertised even more clearly (e.g. using colour on the Watchlist) or by notifications one can subscribe to. --Azertus (talk) 12:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
  • At the time I created the property and posted in Bot request there were 8 votes in favor and 2 against (included my own in against). I didn't close the RfC because there still open discussion about father/mother and stepfather/stepmother. ChristianKl (talk) 13:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata:Requests for comment/Picture of the day[edit]

Will this get implemented one day? MechQuester (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Sources for new coordinates?[edit]

Hi all. I'm trying to add coordinates for some articles that don't currently have them either here or on Wikipedia. What's the best way of finding coordinates for the articles, and importing them to Wikidata? I know using Google Maps for this is not an option due to copyright. At the moment I'm using OpenStreetMap, e.g. [1], but I gather that this might have problematic copyright as Wikidata's CC-0 license means we're not following OSM's CC-BY license? But then, shouldn't the same problem also be true for coordinates imported from Wikipedia? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't know about other countries, but in the US, facts cannot be copyrighted, only the expression of facts. If you went into Google Earth, looked visually at an item of interest, and read off the coordinates of the center of the item, the resulting coordinates would be a fact, not expression, and not subject to Google's copyright. Can you give a link to the policy, discussion, etc., which makes you think we can't look up coordinates on Google Maps? Jc3s5h (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
In Europe there are database rights, which I understand are an issue, particularly with Google Maps. See . Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
If you look at the area with Google maps and don't copy the specific coordinate of a city like Berlin that Google uses but use any coordiante that's right, I don't think you would violate Google's suis genesis database rights. ChristianKl (talk) 00:28, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

How to add films as part of Petscan?[edit]

What is the code for films if I wanted to add instance of film? MechQuester (talk) 01:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

never mind. I figured it out. MechQuester (talk) 01:12, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

P625: Why is 60 seconds possible?[edit]

Hello WD, could someone please help to clearify the question i asked at Property talk:P625? Thank you, --Aschroet (talk) 09:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE): Could you point anyone from the team to take a look at this? Matěj Suchánek (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


Could I get some advice on personification, please. Two instances: Anna Livia (Q27957442) (which I confess right now conflates a couple of different concepts, a fictional character from Finnegans Wake, and the personification of the River Liffey), and 'La Pepa', by & large the female personification of the w:en:Spanish Constitution of 1812.

It would be useful to have items for both Anna Livia in its personification sense, and for La Pepa, since they give rise to the naming of the Anna Livia Bridge (Q4767235) and the La Pepa Bridge (Q6464357), and both of these will benefit from an appropriate named after (P138). Per Anna Livia (Q27957442), I understand we have a value anthropomorphism (Q132987), but how do we say what the item is a personification of? Do we use named after (P138) in the Anna Livia (Q27957442) item to point to Liffey (Q208009) and named after (P138) in a to-be-created 'La Pepa' item to point to Spanish Constitution of 1812 (Q1421412). Or what? thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

WDQ is dead?[edit]

How can I get the number of items with some claim by API now? Earlier it was done by URL like[2936]&noitems=1 --Infovarius (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

There is the query service at You can access it as an API as described at mw:Wikidata query service/User Manual#SPARQL_endpoint (linked from the "Help" menu) and there is also a link to a WDQ syntax translator (in the "Tools" menu). This query should give you the number of items. This is the same thing as an API request. - Nikki (talk) 16:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Oh, much more difficult... But anyway, thanks for API. --Infovarius (talk) 12:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Hmm but this results "Warning: file_get_contents( failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 504 Gateway Time-out in /data/project/listeria/ on line 418" when updating Wikidata:Database reports/WMF projects. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Allowed values constraint[edit]

Are we missing an "allowed values constraint"? To be used on properties as follows:

< constraint status (P2316) > property constraint (P2302) See with SQID < allowed values constraint >
item search < mandatory constraint (Q21502408) View with Reasonator See with SQID >

I'm also not sure which property should go in the place of "item" (class (P2308)?). I'm probably missing something obvious here, so apologies in advance.

By the way, I got led into this rabbit hole by checking if the qualifier constraint status (P2316) could be used with any other value besides mandatory constraint (Q21502408). The answer appears to be no, but this is not yet reflected by a property constraint, hence the above question.

ETA: I believe there might need to be a "non-mandatory constraint" item as well. At least Template:Constraint:Type has a mandatory=true switch, the absence of which can't be modeled as of yet? --Azertus (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #238[edit]

One building succeeding another[edit]

Hello, I have a question about which property to use. Gleaston Castle was (probably) built to replace Aldingham Castle. The structures are a couple of hundred metres apart so Property:P167 doesn't quite fit the bill. Should I use Property:P155? Richard Nevell (talk) 19:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

replaces (P1365)/replaced by (P1366) could fit. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 10:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Preventing incorrect merges[edit]

Is there any way to add a warning or note to prevent repeated merge of two items that are not the same? Zdravljica (Q169215) and Zdravljica (Q27965845) have been merged twice today, but if you look at the content, these are completely different items. Both are Slovene songs, and they have the same title, but the lyrics and authors are different. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

You can link the two items with different from (P1889) to make clear that they aren't the same. It would also make sense to add more statements such as author (P50). ChristianKl (talk) 21:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
  • If you can find a way to add a site link for the same language in both that will prevent the merge (for example if each has a page linked in the slovenian language wiki). ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: Thanks. I tried to find something like this, but the software never offered this when I searched.
@ArthurPSmith: That would only be possible if I knew enough Slovene to go looking for the different texts, could understand the publication data, and thus add the new text at the Slovene Wikisource. Unfortunately, I do not know Slovene well enough to do that. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:04, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I haven't tried these "games" that causes these merges, but it definitly look like they need a "yes, I know what I am doing"-button
@ArthurPSmith: That didn't stop Grimsta (Q4356886) and Grimsta (Q2608131) from being merged. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 07:36, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Whatever these "Games" are, they're responsible for more problems than just incorrect merges. Several times now, I've seen them responsible for adding Britannica On-line ID "links" to articles where either (a) no such article exists at Britannica on-line, or (b) the wrong article title was linked. --EncycloPetey (talk) 08:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@Innocent bystander: You added the "different from" statement after the merge, so it's not really a surprise that the statement could not prevent the merge. If you would have added it before, it would have, simply because you cannot merge items that link to each other already. --YMS (talk) 14:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
@YMS: I responded to User:ArthurPSmith. The two items about a place called "Grimsta" both had a svwiki-sitelink, but were still merged. Both also had good P31-claims that could have helped identify them as two different subjects. The only things they have in common, is the spelling of their names (I doubt they are pronounced the same) and that they are located in Stockholm County, Sweden. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 15:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Wow so "Distributed Game" "Merge items" just threw out the incompatible sv link without a second thought? That seems quite dangerous - who's responsible for it? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Help needed: central military items curreently mixed-up[edit]

as i don't have the time to check/repair this mess myself, can please someone else have a look at Special:Contributions/GiorgiXIII? the user has mixed-up and/or emptied some central military items.
Affected items are: military (Q8473), field army (Q51977), armed forces (Q772547), armed forces (Q27966033), no label (Q3505278). the first three are used by hundreds/thousands of other items.
Holger1959 (talk) 00:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Holger1959: is it OK now again? Jared Preston (talk) 13:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@Jared Preston: thanks for restoring the old situation. looks good as far i can say. (though individual sitelinks might need to be moved from A to B in the future, but blanking and creating new items shouldn't be necessary, i think) Holger1959 (talk) 04:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Hm, I can't distinguish between the first three... And I see many errors in using the first. --Infovarius (talk) 10:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Coyau is dead.[edit]

it's with great sadness that I inform you that Coyau (talkcontribslogs) is deceased. He was one of the most prolific contributors here and participated in Wikipedia, Wikisource and Commons as well. He will be sorely missed. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 12:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, my condolences and deepest sympathy! What happened? Jared Preston (talk) 13:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
We don't know yet. We are waiting for the autopsy. Pyb (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Fuck. How old was he then? Jared Preston (talk) 22:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@Jared Preston: Do you think „Fuck“ is a appropriate wording? I'm sorry of the loss of Coyau's family. --Succu (talk) 22:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I am just completely surprised at the news. Jared Preston (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
He was 38. -Ash Crow (talk) 13:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
My deep condolences to his family and his friends. He will be remembered as an important and prolific contributor to free knowledge, and badly missed. Thank you for bringing these sad news. --Denny (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
+1 very sad news, indeed. Holger1959 (talk) 04:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm very sad to hear this too. Can we leave condolences somewhere in a place where his family and friends can see/read them? Spinster 💬 14:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Maybe on his user page on the French Wikipedia. I will send the link to his mother. Pyb (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
@Denny: You can use Wikidata:Deceased editors. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
My condolences as well to his close friends and family :( He has helped greatly in sharing free knowledge here with us on Wikidata and other Wikimedia projects and made a difference in this world. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 19:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Sad news. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

External images of museum objects[edit]

Proably asked before, but when we add museum collections, how can we add the url of the external image of an object? For example Should we use described at URL (P973) with instance of (P31) is image (Q478798)? Or should we per museum create a property and save the objectid that is converted to the image? Or are external links to copyrighted images prohibited within Wikidata? --Hannolans (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I would link to using described at URL (P973) and not deep link to the file. I don't think these file deep links are very stable and what is exactly the use case for these deep links? Somehow embedding external images in the representation of a Wikidata item? Wikimedia hot linking hosted images, but I think other sites are less happy about that. Multichill (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Discography without artist[edit]

See PSID=618791 for a list of items for a discography that doesn't specify the artist yet. I'll fill out a few meself as well. Edoderoo (talk)

Thanks to everyone that helped to get this list shorter. You amazed me, and made my day! Edoderoo (talk) 20:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Why can't I create WikiProject:United_Nations[edit]

Hi all

I want to create a Wikiproject specifically for importing the huge amount of data that the UN produces, the Wikiproject is also running on Wikipedia and Commons for articles and media content. I'm trying to create from the draft page I started here but it won't let me for some reason. Could someone explain what I'm doing wrong or create it for me if some special permission is required?

Many thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 13:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

There is no WikiProject name space here at Wikidata. The projects here are named like Wikidata:WikiProject Danmark, see Category:WikiProjects for an overview. So the name for yours (which I didn't look at) should probably be Wikidata:WikiProject United Nations. --YMS (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Ah, thanks YMS (talkcontribslogs), that makes sense. --John Cummings (talk) 14:31, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Already done by me. MechQuester (talk) 04:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


Merge this pages please and Sorry wor bad english, because I´m from Czech repbulic. -- 13:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

We won't merge, because a disambiguation page isn't a given name. There is no reason to merge. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 14:12, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Please, there are same name. -- 14:24, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
No, they are not. Josef (Q15730712) is a given name, Josef (Q4205987) is a disambiguation page, the Wikipedia articles list things others than people sharing the same given name. The two shouldn't be merged. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 14:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Ok, but english was in worse Wikidata page. -- 14:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

PetScan + Query[edit]

Is there any way to pipe PetScan results into Query? Specifically, I would like to obtain P31 of all items using a set of templates. Do you know some alternative way to do it? Thanks, Paucabot (talk) 17:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Not directly. You can save Petscan results at Pagepile ("Format" at Output tab) and then use Tabernacle. --Edgars2007 (talk) 17:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, @Edgars2007: I didn't know this tool! Paucabot (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

What government data is of best interest?[edit]


I am currently at the OGP Hackathon and I've been asked: "There is a government in Central Europe that may have the possibility to publish government data to Wikidata, and the budget to do it (either by publishing a dump for us to reuse or even directly maintain it up to date on Wikidata through the API), which data do you think would be the most interesting or useful?". I told him I would ask the community so, here I am :) What is your opinion on this? If you had 5 wishes, what would they be? -Ash Crow (talk) 17:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi @Ash Crow:: Well, just some (personal) suggestions:
  • (1) basic geographic name data (location of places, sites of interest, etc; if we don't have it yet). Solid local references (other than "Geonames") to any existing ones would be good as well.
  • (2) country or culture specific library catalog metadata,
  • (3) basic data on elected or high ranking public officials,
  • (4) statistics: population statistics on any location (present or historic), a dataset like Q21644845 ;). Eventually we should be able to absorbe more statistics, but this might need more development. In some parts Wikipedia includes lots of these and eventually we should be able to provide this from Wikidata
  • (5) anything country specific WikiProject Movies lacks ;)
At first sight it might appear obscure, but I think well-maintained datasets like the Czech notable tree dataset can be of great interest.
Things that need updates on a more regular basis than every year might need some additional thought on how to go about that.
--- Jura 17:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
  • All data about adminsitrative divisions (population, altitude, surface,...) and historic and current data about economy (debt, GDP,...) but calculated according to an international standard. At least Snipre (talk) 21:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Statistic, geographic and cultural data. Just an answer a question: all this data will be under Creative Commons CC0 ? --ValterVB (talk) 08:48, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
He said it would not be a problem. -Ash Crow (talk) 09:23, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • General wishs:
(1) Switch the general default for database license of government data from requiring citations of the data source to not requiring citation, so that Wikidata can import more data ::without licensing issues.
(2) Generally make sure that databases uses their own ID to refer to items instead of simply using strings.
(3) If there's money for the project, I think it would make a lot of sense if they don't just publish a dumb but directly submit the data to Wikidata.
  • Specific wishes:
(1) Historic population. That data is valuable for Wikipedia importing Wikidata data.
(2) Historical data about life expectancy. If you be really nice if this data would be available at a highly granular level that more detailed than just the country level.
(3) The European patent database - Names of patents, area of the patent, links to inventors and companies, direct link via an ID to the full patent on the official website.
(4) The European trademark database - Names of patents, area of the patent, links to the trademark owners, direct link via an ID to the full patent on the official website.
(5) Registers of lobbyists in Brussels and the individual EU states. Including links to the bills for which the lobbyists lobbied if such data is available.
ChristianKl (talk) 22:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

We need your input about gadgets and UI stability[edit]

Hello all,

We're starting a consultation about gadgets and how we can improve our workflows to avoid breaking user scripts when we're modifying Wikidata's interface. We would be very happy if the gadgets/user scripts developers could take time to answers these few questions, even if of course anyone is welcomed to add suggestions or questions.

Thank you very much! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 15:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Stained glass versus stained glass windows[edit]

We have stained glass (Q1473346) and it seems to cover everything related to stained glass: stained glass as a material, stained glass as an artistic technique, windows and other objects made using stained glass... Sometimes it's used with instance of (P31) to say that an item is a stained glass window, sometimes it's used with material used (P186) to mean that something is made from stained glass. Some of the labels seem to mean the material, others seem to specifically mean windows. It all seems to be a bit of a mess.

I think the right thing to do is to split it because a stained glass window is a type of window (made of stained glass) and searching for windows should find stained glass windows too, but stained glass as a material isn't a type of window, so it doesn't make sense to use the same item for both things. A while ago I made stained glass window (Q21061279), but that's unfortunately as far as I got.

The sitelinks on Q1473346 that I can understand are about stained glass in general, so I think the labels which specifically mean a window should be moved to Q21061279 (along with any statements and sitelinks which are specific to windows), but I'm not sure which those are. Can anyone help me clean this up?

(@Oursana: pinging you in case you're interested or want to comment :))

- Nikki (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

As happens very often the site links do not fit exactly. One has also to consider whether stained glass (Q1473346) only means the technique, not the material.
As the technique is broadly used with windows this project could be about both, as are many site links.
The sitelinks are at least not all about stained glass in general, de is about stained glass windows, for what we habe no special word. Glasmalerei means the technique which is only used with church windows, so I would not split. Same with en:work=window and material.
fr:Vitrail is very similar to en and does not mean the window
in it it is the window and not the technique
in nl it is colored glass, not the technique, not a window.
I am not quite sure if your stained glass window (Q21061279) item passes WD:N--Oursana (talk) 21:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

changing descriptions[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if there is a quick way (or perhaps an semi-automated tool) that can quickly change descriptions. MechQuester (talk) 06:25, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

QuickStatements (Q20084080)MisterSynergy (talk) 06:37, 10 December 2016 (UTC)