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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:21, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Art UK venue ID (P1602)[edit]

Art UK venue ID (P1602) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:04, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Corrupted Bobbin lace item?[edit]

It looks like the Bobbin lace is somehow corrupt, editing does not work. As you seem to be the last to make changes, could that be the cause? Would you mind to undo? Poljo (talk) 08:35, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Tried again and the save buttons reappeared. Sorry to have bothered you. Poljo (talk) 09:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Juan de Alfaro y Gamez (Q2388565)[edit]

Hi PKM, I was wondering why you added multiple RKD claims? These all redirect to the same item. Multichill (talk) 22:09, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

@multichill: so the links would work both ways. Should we not do that? I can back them out. - PKM (talk) 02:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
These other links are like the redirects we have here: Don't delete them, but we keep them for convenience. The items are showing up in this report. Multichill (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

SIPA ID (P1700)[edit]

The property you requested is done. --Fralambert (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Fralambert: Thank you! - PKM (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

IGESPAR ID (P1702)[edit]

The property you requested is done. You can check the constraint in the talk page, to see if they are correct. --Fralambert (talk) 05:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

AAT white tie (tail coat)[edit]

Hi friend! About this revert: if you look at the non-EN articles (Фрак, Frac, Frak), they are about the formal coat. What would you match that AAT id to, if not this WD item?? --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 12:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks :)[edit]


Just wanted to say thanks for all the matches you did on Mix n' Match for the UNESCO Atlas of World Languages in Danger dataset. I'm trying to get the dataset imported for the Wikipedia Language Conference in early July. Can I ask if you used any tricks to match so many or did you do it all by hand? It will be great once we also have the Glottolog database integrated as well but there are 15,000 matches to do for that one.....

Thanks again

--John Cummings (talk) 18:17, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Adding the Glottolog catalogue to Wikidata[edit]


I started a discussion about matching the Glottolog catalogue a little more automatically on project chat that you might be interested in. I really don't want to have to match 15,000 items by hand :)


--John Cummings (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Me neither. - PKM (talk) 18:34, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Tidying up the Atlas of World Languages in Danger import[edit]


We've now done with Mix n' Match (mainly thanks to you). I think there are two steps left to clean the data up:

  1. Find items with multiple AWLD ID numbers, I think this will be caused by several dialects being misunderstood as the same thing. I think I should create an item for each dialect and then somehow link them using a property to the main item. Any ideas how to do this?
  2. Find multiple items with the same ID number, I think this will be caused by duplicate items.

Does this sound like a sensible plan? Am I missing something? Can you think what property I should use to link dialects and languages? I don't think its 'has part'. I'll ask on the project chat.

Thanks again

--John Cummings (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@John Cummings: For the dialects I have added, I used has dialect (DEPRECATED) (P134) on the parent language and made the dialect(s) <subclass of> the parent. See Selkup (Q34008).
Whether a "child" language is a dialect or just a separate community of speakers is a challenge. I think we should ideally have some sort of source for saying X is a dialect of Y (in the UNESCO records or in the Wikipedia info box for the parent language).
Here's an example: For Mohawk (Q13339), UNESCO has seven codes based on places/communities, but the en:Mohawk language article describes three "main" dialects only one of which is immediately identifiable as "matching" one of the UNESCO languages (Kanesatake). There's probably no harm in calling each of these variants a "dialect" (after all, there is not always consensus among linguists as to whether a particular language is a dialect or some other sort of variant). It would probably be better to have the separate records and if there's ever a comprehensive languages project in WD, the future project team can tweak whether an item is a dialect or not.
I do think we need to make a minimal set of statements for any items we create in this way: <instance of> dialect (Q33384), subclass of [parent language], indigenous to (P2341) [place or ethnic group or both]. - PKM (talk) 21:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Nappes d'autel[edit]

Thank you for your work with textiles in the Palissy database. I am going to look into English translations for the labels and descriptions of these.

The items with dénomination: nappe d'autel in the database would be better as instance of (P31) altar cloth (Q869547) instead of tablecloth (Q536168). Is that a change that your bot could make? - PKM (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

It's ok :
SELECT ?item ?label WHERE { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q869547. }
Try it!
Gzen92 [discuter] 08:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Missing creator with RKDimages link[edit]

Hi PKM, thanks for helping with Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Missing creator with RKDimages link! Last week I created a lot of the missing painters so we should be able to match most of them with existing items. Help much appreciated. Multichill (talk) 14:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! - PKM (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Just created Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Top collections missing creator. We seem to have a slight backlog ;-)
14190 paintings without a creator set. The top two collection account for more than half of these. Multichill (talk) 13:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
@Multichill: Wow, okay! Challenge accepted. On it, also working on ~6000 geographic items in NARA catalog, so I’ll work on one until I get burnt out and then switch back and forth. That’s been productive for me. - PKM (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, switching between jobs before you hate any of them is a good way to stay motivated. Just cherry pick the collection. Take for example the Royal Collection, it still has all the easy ones! Normally I would upload collection, match it up, go to the next collection. Here I uploaded a bunch of collections in a row so that's why we have some backlog. Multichill (talk) 21:27, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

re call to the bar[edit]

I have been thinking about this with regard to significant event, and I believe that we should be qualifying with applies to jurisdiction (P1001), and I have chosen for rather than England to use England and Wales (Q1156248), well at least for the historic records that I am doing.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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Representation of Wikidata at the Wikimedia movement strategy process[edit]

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What properties does Commons need?[edit]


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Mapping relation type[edit]

Sorry not to have picked up your question at Project Chat earlier, re mapping relation type (P4390).

My honest answer is: I have no idea. I simply don't know what sort of relations should be considered close match (Q39893184). It is good to have clarified that the match is not exact match, broader match, or narrower match. What does that leave? close match (Q39893184) and related match (Q39894604). What do these mean? The platypus/eggs example [1] given by for related match (Q39894604) seems a lot more distant; but might be right.

It would be useful to find some more examples of close match (Q39893184) in the wild, in professionally-made thesauruses, to get a better idea of how exactly it is customarily used -- what sort of relationships, that aren't superset/subset/exact match.

Pinging @Vladimir Alexiev, Jneubert: who I think have rather deeper experience in this area. Jheald (talk) 14:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, too, for having missed your question, and thanks to Jheald for pinging.
If I got you right, you interpret AATs S-Twist as a class, and you want to make clear that this is differerent from the intended use of S-twist (Q55296333) as a property value. Well, if your interpretation of AAT is right (I'm no AAT expert), that could be done, but I'm not sure if it's worth the hazzle: Apparently, both seem to designate the same thing, and I wouldn't expect that the subtle distinction really helps users who come across the external id entry. -- But this is my personal take on the example.
As for the more general question about the use of "close match" and "related match": They may cover diverse cases, and often the descision if something is the same or close or broder/narrower or related can be disputed. Examples of the use of mapping relation type (P4390) exist in an ongoing and still quite incomplete approach of mapping STW Thesaurus for Economics (Q26903352) to Wikidata. For maintenance, I've created a list of all non-exact relationships (with a link to search Wikidata for possible newly introduced better matches). Sometimes differences between the Wikidata item and the external concept are subtle, sometimes obvious. E.g., Wikidatas Yugoslavia (Q36704) covers, according to its English description, the "1918–1992 country", while the close-matching STW descriptor is Yugoslavia (until 1990). An example for "related match" is the item Assessment center (Q265558), to which STW's Executive selection is related. It's clearly not the same, and it is not of the same kind, too (instrument vs. process), so I wouldn't use "close match" here, but of course literature about Executive selection also covers the Assesment Centers as a prominent means, so the link should be helpful here. -- Hope this helps a bit. I'm happy to discuss more, here or at Property_talk:P3911 (or on the talk pages of mapped items, if only one item is concerned). Jneubert (talk) 17:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jheald, Jneubert: Thank you both for your responses. You have confirmed my general understanding of the use of "close match"; thanks for that. As far as this specific item is concerned, I am probably overthinking things (again), but yes, we have been using AAT as guide or proxy for a class hierarchy of fashion objects, lacking any other. - PKM (talk) 20:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

buckle (Q1135567)[edit]

I actually think the fastener (Q2002016) as you changed me were a better superclass. joining technology (Q266328) does not seem to be about objects. Re-revert? What do you think? Cheers, --Marsupium (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@Marsupium: Agreed! Changed it back. I'll making "buckling" for the technology. - PKM (talk) 19:31, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah very good also the buckling (Q55568280)! :) --Marsupium (talk) 19:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Hm, but is something different. Perhaps rename to "buckle buckling"??? --Marsupium (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

And by the way could we better point out the difference between clasp (Q19380920) and clasp (Q2239762) if there is one? :) --Marsupium (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@Marsupium: AAT 300072663 is probably Buckling (Q693104), but I'd need to read the Enwiki article in detail. We have lots of items with the same label in English; I don't think it's a problem as long as we have good descriptions (in fact I think it's helpful for editors who are looking for the right item to link).
clasp (Q19380920) is a specific type of Norwegian clasp called a Maljespenne. The Norwegian-English dictionaries I've found translate it just as "clasp". I expect the right move is to make 'maljespenne' the default EN label and make it a subclass of "clasp". WE do that with many non-English clothing items in EN wiki. I can do that now. - PKM (talk) 20:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
“I don't think it's a problem as long as we have good descriptions” Yes, you're right. The name is fine, yes!
Ah, that's good to know clasp (Q2239762) is the general clasp, so I will use it for c:Template:I18n/objects now, and it gets Thank you! --Marsupium (talk) 21:11, 15 July 2018 (UTC)