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Immigrants

Do we mark people as subject_has_role=immigrant or significant_event=immigration, who migrate to other countries. It can be inferred from country_of_citizenship, and sometimes birth and death locations, but not all entries have that information complete. Not everyone that died in another country was an immigrant, they can die on vacation. RAN (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I would be interested to see how consistently we use emigrant (Q4989857) and immigrant (Q12547146). Of course, most people are both, being reciprocal properties, but some events are more notable than others, such as Emigration from Nazi Germany 1933-1945 (Q110486791). English Wikipedia categories are a holy intractable mess, in this regard. Elizium23 (talk) 00:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
We have residence (P551) to show when someone picked up a country as a residence. I don't think it's good modeling ot use subject_has_role or significant_event here. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Swedish warship prefix HMS or HSwMS depending on context

I raised this in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Ships#HMS_or_HSwMS_for_Swedish_ships, but no-one else seems to contribute there. I think its worth getting views here, for the general case where the label an item has depends not merely on they language its used in, but the context too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Swedish_Navy#HMS? describes the problem that Swedes prefix their naval ships with HMS, except when those ships are involved in international operations, when they use HSwMS, to avoid confusion with the Royal Navy. So what do we do for labels, when we don't know the context the names will be used in? Use en:HMS which will confuse many English speakers, use en-GB:HSwMS which is accurate, but who has en-GB as their language code, and only really benefits SPARQL queries where fallback codes can be defined, use en:HSwMS and expect Swedes to pick up sv:HMS. What about official name (P1448) where the official name is context sensitive based on operational use, mul:HMS or mul:HSwMS?

I personally think en-GB:HSwMS, en:HSwMS, sv:HMS, mul:HSwMS, as wikidata use is effectively "use in an international context". Do we have any precedents? English wikipedia usage is mostly HSwMS, but that may have been achieved using a template https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:HSwMS. Vicarage (talk) 10:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

cause of death (P509)

What is the correct way to show that someone died by being pushed in front of a train in the metro? Trade (talk) 20:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Around these parts, that's typically known in health care as blunt trauma (Q770709). Elizium23 (talk) 02:40, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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Clumsily constructed Wikidata item

So, based on its history, Q1260524 ("time of the day") seems to have been created by a non-English speaker from the German-language Wikipedia article Tageszeit. Is there any way to correct this to match the standard English term "time of day" (in other words, drop the definite article)? -- DanielPenfield (talk) 11:59, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Done; but you can edit labels and descriptions, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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And place location add

new add 2409:40C2:103D:4F0D:8000:0:0:0 08:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean? --Wolverène (talk) 08:06, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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Q59312334 and Q107936070

TF1 Séries Films (Q59312334) and TF1 Séries Films (Q107936070)

These two items contain reciprocal statements being different from each other, but I can't spot the difference. Does anyone know the difference and can add statements accordingly? Dorades (talk) 08:59, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

They are identical (in my opinion), a bot(GeertivpBot) added the statement: different from (P1889). RVA2869 (talk) 09:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
What the bot had to do is merge the two items.--Isidre blanc (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
→ ← Merged — Huntster (t @ c) 01:30, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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Satyrium ketumbense

Hi there! Is this not created yet or possible created as a synonym? Greetings from South Africa! Oesjaar (talk) 19:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@Oesjaar; I've added this as an alias to Satyrium kitimboense (Q10368564), as it seems to be an alternate spelling rather than a separately described synonym. — Huntster (t @ c) 21:24, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! (Dankie in Afrikaans) Regards! Oesjaar (talk) 05:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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How to depict freshmen

Any thoughts on what to do at freshman (Q60825090) to depict that a freshman is someone in their first year? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

First year of any educational institution? Including high school, university, primary school, etc.? Mateussf (talk) 23:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Why do we need a separate item from freshman (Q1215869)? Elizium23 (talk) 00:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
@Elizium23, it looks like freshman (Q60825090) is specifically about the educational realm, whereas freshman (Q1215869) is a more generic version that could also apply to e.g. freshmen congresspeople. It seems a bit backwards that 1215869 is described as a subclass of (P279) of 60825090, but there may be non-English language stuff at play, so I'd be a little cautious before messing with it too much. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
There's also freshman (Q13883551) so some tidying up here is needed M2Ys4U (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
We seem to mix three different concepts into two items.
(1) There the generic concept.
(2) There the concept that's about being part in the educational institution (maybe there's an additional seperation here between people in the first year compared to the first semester)
(3) The status of being a nonregular member of a student association before that member becomes a full member which usually is after they were one year in the student organization. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
@Mateussf, yep, that's how it's defined in the item. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Baronets

See Jock Delves Broughton (Q120985038). I want to show the succession of Baronets, but looking at multiple entries, they are all set up differently. Should a baronetcy be set up as a position? I want to have an auto generate table that would list the succession, like we have for monarchs. RAN (talk) 16:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) I think the general standard for hereditary titles like this is to have it as noble title (P97):baronetcy or the more specific noble title (P97):specific baronetcy. Someone would need to tweak the table script to be able to generate a list of holders, since I think it's only set up for P39, but in principle it should be a relatively small change. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
  • @Andrew Gray: See: Jock Delves Broughton (Q15490687) and see if that was what you were thinking of it looking like. I haven't figured out how that table generator works, there are too many subtemplates invoked for me to get a new version to work properly. I wanted a version for awards and one for noble titles. --RAN (talk) 01:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
    @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) That approach looks good, I think. For the table generator, I suspect we would also need to update the bot, it's not just a matter of templates - @Oravrattas would know if this is feasible or not. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
    @Andrew Gray, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I'm quite reluctant to add more complexity like this to PHH. The bot has to cope with quite a few different edge cases just for P39, and each additional property would likely multiply these. If someone were to volunteer to become a co-maintainer, and handle that part of the code, I'd certainly consider it, but I suspect it would be better to create a new bot for each property instead (whether derived from PHH, or taking a fresh approach.) --Oravrattas (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
  • @Oravrattas: Absolutely, new bot! Is there any way that the generated tables get to be part of Autodescription? As the tables are now, they sometimes get pushed down by active discussions or can get archived and removed from the page. This is good stuff. --RAN (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
It looks like Charles III of the United Kingdom (Q43274) duplicated "Prince of Wales" as both a noble_title and a position, as a way to solve the puzzle, but we should only have to add the data once. --RAN (talk) 14:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Pronoun templates

I recently received a complaint about "misgendering" an editor whose pronouns I had no way of knowing. To remedy this, I have copied selected templates from ENWP into Category:Editor's pronouns templates. For example, by using {{they|ExampleUser}} instead of "they", it will automatically be substituted in line with the user's gender preference. Use {{ucfirst:{{they|ExampleUser}}}} for a capitalised version (e.g. "They"). Note that I have not copied over all related templates, just those that seemed most immediately useful. I recognise that this only resolves the problem for English, and this is an international project. Bovlb (talk) 18:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

You can also use the underlying GENDER magic word directly, which should work with any language: for instance, {{GENDER:Bovlb|He|She|They}} becomes He. ({{subst:GENDER:…}} also works, if you prefer that.) Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 08:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Interwiki for external sites

Today I learned that we have interwiki capabilities for external sites, for example:

[[viaf:64009368|64009368]] instead of [https://viaf.org/viaf/64009368/ 64009368])

I have added this eample, for now, to VIAF ID (P214) using interwiki prefix at Wikimedia (P6720).

I'm also told that using these puts less strain on the database than ordinary external links like the one in my example (see discussion at T343131).

A list of the existing interwiki shortcuts is at meta:Interwiki map; more are likely to be added soon, and they can be requested there.

I suggest we now need to consider:

  • changing constraints on P6720
  • how we could use this as a form of formatter URL (P1630), for internal use and to serve to, for example, {{Authority control}} on other projects (do we need a separate property?)
  • where else it might benefit us.

Thoughts? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Duplicates for navigation templates for gminas in Poland

Hello, there seem to exist some duplicates for navigation bars for gminas in Poland, for example

In same cases, there seem to exist three items per gmina (e.g. an extra item for french)

They can be found by searching for template gmina + name of the gmina, for example:

Is there a way to find and merge them per script, SPARQL, PetScan, Quickstatements, etc.?

In addition, property Property:P1423 could be added to the navigation template item and Property:P1424 could be added to the item for the gmina, so the naviation template item and the item for the gmina link to each other.

Thanks a lot! M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, possible duplicates (by searching for template gmina + name of the gmina) can be found at
For example:
The current list with more than 1.400 possible duplicate items also includes some false positive matches, since it is simply based on string matching. M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Poland for information M2k~dewiki (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, about 1.100 duplicates (background batch run #209844 + some test runs + manual merges before) have been merged:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 02:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikifunctions

Wikifunctions, the latest Wikimedia project, has had a soft launch. It's probably too early to be looking at items for its entries, but we could already be linking to its meta pages, such as adding its version of this page to Project:Village pump (Q16503).

Is that in hand, or do we need to do something to get it moving? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think a project code has been implemented for multilingual sites. There is a phabricator ticket for it
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T342857
-- William Graham (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
The goal of this new wiki is not clear to me : is it there to simply help document each computer function (SQL function, Lua function, etc etc) or is there to store functions (module/templates) that could be used crosswiki into wikiarticles ? Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 07:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Wikifunctions FAQ. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Open Library <> Wikidata connection

Hello, I'm an volunteer for Open Library (Q1201876) and would like to have their system start pulling information from Wikidata for populating the author pages. For example, we could pull in date of birth/death and some identifiers. The tentative plan is to start by pulling the JSON for an author by wikidata ID (which is stored in Open Library) with a url like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q110436.json when an author is edited (which doesn't happen too often). Then we'll start slowly integrating by doing thing like displaying the DOB and a little note that the data comes from Wikidata. From there we can build out more things like using identifiers, alternative names, names in other languages, etc. We're thoughtful about caching the results from Wikidata as to not hit the API more than needed. Doing a bulk import is also under consideration once we start using the data a bit.

I just wanted to put this out there and see if anyone had feedback.

PS: I'm just a volunteer so can't speak on behalf of OL but I have talked with their team and they're quite excited about the idea of pulling more from wikidata and directing users to contribute to wikidata for edits when possible. Thanks RayScript (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

With my Expounder sites (https://expounder.info) I started that way, but quickly switched to using SPARQL queries to generate custom JSON files for individual entries, and then csv files for blocks of entries. I found the custom output much easier to process, and the SPARQL support people here very helpful in designing queries. Vicarage (talk) 22:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Https://fannish.expounder.info might be of interest as it has entries for authors with timelines and awards given, and links to other literary sites Vicarage (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
This is very cool, showing awards is something that we discussed a while back but didn't do too much with. Your site is pretty nice example of how this data could be visualized. https://fannish.expounder.info/Q110436 RayScript (talk) 14:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
@RayScript: really cool idea. Are you aware of Open Library ID (P648), Open Library subject ID (P3847) which could be used for other integrations (or to bootstrap your efforts)? I might be a little cautious about SPARQL (though I'm not speaking with terribly much experience) because my guess would be that SPARQL is a lot more expensive for WMF than just hitting the EntityData endpoint. Or at least it can be. If it matters depends on the traffic you get (though honestly you'll want to cache even just for latency reasons, items can get big). They literally just finished making a new REST API for Wikidata that you would be a good test customer for. BrokenSegue (talk) 01:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
I found that a bulk query for 1000 authors was much better than 1000 individual requests for files. You can also tailor a SPARQL query to only ask for items that have been updated in a certain time window. OpenLibrary need to think whether to get updates when they edit an author, or poll to see if WD has updated them.
https://fannish.expounder.info/Q42 shows how I do things for Douglas Adams, with tabs for Wikipedia and Wikidata to allow easy updates.
And if you already store wikidata ID's for everyone, it would be very useful if OpenLibrary could provide an API to give access to their pages given the ID, so https://openlibrary.org/wd_api/Q42 or similar pointed to your page on Adams. Vicarage (talk) 08:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
What @BrokenSegue says is correct. We want to discourage use of the Query Service for access that doesn't actually require the graph. The REST API, action API and Special:EntityData are much preferred because scaling and caching for them is better. If you're interested in going with the new REST API that'd be great and I'd love to hear your feedback so we can continue adjusting it. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 08:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello Lydia, given that this is a new project we're working on and it seems like y'all have done a lot of work to get this REST API into a good place following standards and versioned I think it probably makes sense to use this instead of the Special:EntityData.
I do have some quick feedback based on first looks:
1. https://doc.wikimedia.org/Wikibase/master/js/rest-api/ doesn't let you select a real server from the dropdown. I think it would be highly preferable to let users select a real server (probably should be default) and start testing.
2. If it is your intention to let users use the that page for testing then I think there's a way with open api to set the authorization at the root level instead of with each API.
3. In that same vain, it would be nice to let people know somewhere early on that they can jump right in and view the json unauthorized via https://www.wikidata.org/w/rest.php/wikibase/v0/entities/items/Q42
Look forward to digging into this more :) RayScript (talk) 15:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
@RayScript: Thank you! That's helpful. Some of your points will be addressed with T329080. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The Open Library ID (OLID) is something I think we'll use at some point but we want to start with having the QID on the OL side to avoid making calls for every single time an author is edited. But as we figure things out and get a nice UI in order I hope we'll use the OLID too. Also thanks for mentioning the REST API. Wasn't aware of that but will look into it! RayScript (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Error with P373

There is an issue with the Commons category (P373) property at Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (Q605249). The value of the property is "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" (with the question mark at the end), but clicking on it takes you to the non-existent c:Category:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (note the lack of the question mark at the end). The right category, which is correctly linked in the project links at the bottom of the item, is c:Category:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (including the question mark). Is this something that can be fixed from our end, or would it be better to create the non-existent category as a redirect to the correct place? –FlyingAce✈hello 15:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks like the issue is that the property links to "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Do%20Androids%20Dream%20of%20Electric%20Sheep?" (notice that the final question mark is not being included as part of the link), whereas the project link at the bottom links to "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_Sheep%3F" (the question mark has been encoded and is thus part of the link). I would assume other items that end in punctuation marks (or in question marks, at least) have a similar issue; still not sure how to fix this, though. Any ideas? –FlyingAce✈hello 17:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Indicating use of a technology

We seem to constantly be tripped up with one item using another's technology. has part(s) (P527) is often used, but it often sits uncomfortably for ideas rather than objects. A steamship has a steam engine as a defining property, but does a B-2 stealth bomber have stealth. Instead we claim its a stealth aircraft (Q753283) which is a subclass of (P279) of aircraft (Q11436) with qualifier of (P642) stealth technology (Q339042). But I'd not want to mix list of aircraft types with what they do, bomber etc with how they do it. A Moto G phone has location services, but that might be the American GPS or the European Gallleo, it has Bluetooth, but we don't say its a bluetooth_phone . I'm rather confused with the ontology here. Vicarage (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

batch update of incorrect ship data

There are several hundred ships that are incorrectly classified. The problem is that they are subclasses of a ship type instead of being instances of the ship type. One example is Japanese destroyer Yamabiko (Q4394122), which is a subclass of destroyer (Q174736). How can I submit a mass update to fix these problems? I obviously don't want to manually edit each of the ships. 14:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC) Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 14:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

You can use Quickstatements to remove and add statements from a spreadsheet. QS can't change existing statements, so you might want to skip claims that have qualifiers and references, and do those manually instead. I usually generate this from a SPARQL query where I take extra care to check for any conceivable problem or corner-case. I also sample a number of edits to make sure they look fine. Infrastruktur (talk) 15:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, that should do the trick. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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Q6075604 und Q14100619

Are the two data objects Pieter Jansen (Q6075604) and Pieter Jansen (Q14100619) duplicates? --Gymnicus (talk) 17:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

It would appear Pieter Jansen (Q14100619) should be marked as instance of (P31)Wikimedia permanent duplicate item (Q21286738), though the dates of death are curious. Maybe someone else has a better idea? — Huntster (t @ c) 18:15, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
@Gymnicus: did you try asking the creator of both articles? User:HitomiAkane is active here. Multichill (talk) 20:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
@Multichill: Since I don't speak Arabic and therefore couldn't find the information, no.
But I took a look at the history of the data objects. Up to this editing [1], the Dutch article was contained in the data object Pieter Jansen (Q14100619) and only then was it moved to the data object Pieter Jansen (Q6075604). And the date of death was also changed in the Dutch article in the period surrounding the shift to the other data object. --Gymnicus (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
@Gymnicus, @Huntster, @Multichill The arzwiki article correspond to item Q14100619 was deleted as it's an obvious duplicated article, you may want to merge item Q14100619 with Q6075604 HitomiAkane (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
@HitomiAkane: Thanks for your help. --Gymnicus (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
→ ← Merged — Huntster (t @ c) 21:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Major bug in visual editor switcher

So I was making a very simple two-line report to WD:AN and I began receiving some dialogs about having switched to source editing. So curiously, I switched into Visual Editor mode. And saving the edit turned me into a vandal myself.

Apparently if I am currently adding a topic to a discussion board, and I switch into VE, then that topic erases all other content on the page. Elizium23 (talk) 02:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

It's unlikely that anyone who's working on the Visual Editor reads the Wikidata project chat. If you care about the bug then it makes more sense to create a phabricator ticket. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Filed phab:T343916. GZWDer (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T343916
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Semi-protection of an item that is below 500 links

I've made an edit request to add a simple interwiki to an item that is semi-protected, but seeing as the category is only populated by very old (and mostly technical-looking) requests, I'm not sure it was the right place so apologies for pinging people here.

This being said, I see that semi-protection is supposedly limited to Highly used items ("items used by 500 Wikimedia pages or more"). This is clearly not the case here I think, but maybe I am missing something: how does the counting work? Superboilles (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

This item is currently at 506 uses, per this evaluation. You can find pages using that item via https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q531779&action=info#Page_properties (click on "Page information" on an item page and navigate to the "Page properties" section). —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Interesting, thanks. Superboilles (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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Roskomnadzor page on fr.wikipedia has twice the same image

Hi, there is something that I don't like and I'm not sure how to improve it. On w:fr:Roskomnadzor, Emblem of Roskomnadzor.svg appears twice in the infobox. That's because in Q129597, the file can be found at logo image (P154) and coat of arms image (P94). I think that Emblem of Roskomnadzor.svg is not a logo and should be at the 'logo image' property but I would like a second though. Thank you. Jona (talk) 06:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Fixed RVA2869 (talk) 07:03, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. Jona (talk) 07:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Add Schema.org equivalent class (P1709) to political party (Q7278)

Schema.org has a specific entry for Political Parties in https://schema.org/PoliticalParty. That should be added to political party (Q7278) with the equivalent class (P1709) property. DCastanho (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

✓ Done — Huntster (t @ c) 14:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Problem with Q56909939: 2000 Author for an Article!

Hello All,

I think there is a problem with High-ET isolated-photon plus jets production in pp collisions at √s=8 TeV with the ATLAS detector (Q56909939). it has around 2000 Auther. The original website shows only 10.

Any suggestion how to fix that? Michel Bakni (talk) 18:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michel Bakni: that "full work available at" link looks like it is wrong, the correct page for this article is here which does indeed show a very large number of authors from Aaboud to Zwalinsky. You are the one who made that assertion, where did you obtain the link from? The DOI on the article should be the standard way to reach it. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Note that the asserted link title is "High power density nuclear battery prototype based on diamond Schottky diodes" which is clearly a different paper. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Got you! my bad!
Thanks! Michel Bakni (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Same lists

Hi,

I don't know if anyone can help me, but the French Liste des présidents de la Polynésie française is only linked to a Spanish version, whereas the Dutch Lijst van presidenten van Frans-Polynesië is only linked to a German and Czech version, although all five lists have the same purpose. Could they all be linked together? Thanks! 2A02:A452:7DDC:1:A169:BFD1:A416:1C5 10:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

→ ← Merged
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"anti-Russian sentiment is a ideological cliché which is a statement supported by Ukrainian Wikipedia"

Could someone help provide me some context because i have absolutely no clue what this statement is supposed to mean Trade (talk) 10:59, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

The Ukrainian Wikipedia states that the anti-Russian sentiment does not exist in reality and is a Russian propaganda cliché. As far as I see, this is the only Wikipedia which makes this statement. For example, the English Wikipedia defines it quite differently. Ymblanter (talk) 18:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Hyphen vs. En dash to separate years of birth/death?

On English Wikipedia, the convention is to use the en dash to separate [year of birth]–[year of death], but I have often seen hyphens used here on Wikidata. [NB: If the Wikidata description is also used in a Wikipedia "Short description" tag (which I commonly do, per: human : any member of Homo sapiens, unique extant species of the genus Homo, from embryo to adultGordon Andrews (Q98322674): Australian artist and designer (1914–2001) / Gordon Andrews), then in order to avoid the "Short description is different from Wikidata" hidden category, the separator needs to be an en dash.] -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Cl3phact0:, the question, if the year of birth/death should be included in the description or not also has been discussed for example at:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
I would have imagined that this wasn't the first time the matter had been discussed. Thank you, M2k~dewiki, for the links. This in particular:
If, however, we generally want life data in the description across the entire database, then the form should be defined. Possible variants are the following forms: (1960–2018), (* 1960; † 2018) or (born 1960; died 2018) and to living persons (1960–) or (* 1960) or (born 1960). Maybe (* June 22, 1960 in Mainz; † 2018 in Berlin) or (* June 22, 1960 in Mainz as Peter Müller; † 2018 in Berlin as Peter Müller-Schmidt) etc. [Translated from original German]
What I can't see is consensus as to how or if this information is to be included. (My previous assumption had been that the dates were used as a shorthand way to indicate that the subject is deceased – which seems to be the case on en:wp.) -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 18:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion regarding genealogical symbols in articles exists for several years in the german language wikipedia:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 18:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
There is no consensus whether or not this information belongs into the description, and if so which form is to be used. So, as long as you choose a comprehensible form, your edits are fine. However, you should not change existing descriptions for stylistic reasons, and also not to unify desriptions for a given set of items. Existing descriptions are fine as they are as well (assuming they are correct). ---MisterSynergy (talk) 18:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, MisterSynergy. What brought my attention to the matter is the enwiki hidden category which is triggered by a hyphen/en dash discrepancy (and which, unless there is agreement between the wikidata and enwiki usage, will be persistent on the enwiki side). There is clear guidance on enwiki that dates should be included in the short description: Dates or date ranges are encouraged when they enhance the short description as an annotation or improve disambiguation. As long as the formatting criteria are met, biographies of non-living people, articles on specific publications, and dated historical events generally benefit from dating, but since the description should be kept short, other information may need to take precedence. With this in mind, I'm not sure if this matter should be considered stylistic or technical (or if it is appropriate to replace a hyphen with an en dash in an existing item when one comes across a hyphenated date range).
It also seems like something that the various language wikis ought to agree on and implement from soup to nuts (see below re: Spanish usage). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
The enwiki situation is not much of relevance here. They chose to deviate from standard Wikidata short descriptions by managing their own local ones, and for some reason they track differences in a hidden category with 3.5M members. There is no reason to force changes in Wikidata based on the enwiki situation. If they want to ignore stylistic differences in the tracking category, it should not be difficult to do this via the comparison module. Please also mind that due to the dominance of the English language in this project, stylistic decisions are often copied to other languages without much explicit discussion or agreement by individual users.
Here at Wikidata there is no benefit from uniformity across descriptions, and they also do not need to adhere to a particular style or form in order to serve their purpose. Nobody parses descriptions to extract information (all of that should be available as structured data anyways), and descriptions are also not read in bulk, or as part of a longer text. Also, we do not even "encourage dates or date ranges to enhance short descriptions", yet alone a particular style. In order to avoid large-scale edit batches based on personal preference, possibly switching back-and-forth between different variants, and because this does not create any benefit for Wikidata anyways, all current factually correct descriptions are fine as they are. —MisterSynergy (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I don't think this has come up before for most Wikidata users; I certainly wasn't aware of the enwiki convention here. I don't think it would be a problem and a bot could take care of the translations; however it would probably be best to start an RFP here to establish the n-dash as the standard for year ranges in descriptions. It would also be good to check what the other language wikipedias are doing as wikidata is inherently multilingual (though we're talking about English descriptions here I think). ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:43, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Please don’t. There is really nothing to be gained from more discussions about descriptions. Let’s keep the current chaos as described by MisterSynergy and let’s hope that some sort of auto description magic will soon set us free from this argument. --Emu (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
How will descriptions be handled in language code MUL (multiple languages) ?
M2k~dewiki (talk) 19:37, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: You won't be able to add a mul description (T313027). Vahurzpu (talk) 20:35, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
An en dash is appropriate for English, but note that other languages use hyphens for this purpose, e.g. Spanish. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Justin. Do you happen to know if in the Spanish Wikipedia equivalent of the MOS there is anything about en dash usage? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I don't immediately see that, but the section on dates (fechas) mentions using hyphens: w:es:Wikipedia:Manual_de_estilo#Fechas. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
For completeness, there is an ongoing (stalled) RfC regarding dates in descriptions: Wikidata:Requests for comment/Use of dates in the descriptions of items regarding humans. --Epìdosis 08:52, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, Epìdosis. Would it be useful to add my comment above (re: enwiki guidance for short descriptions) to the RfC you mention? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:08, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
@Cl3phact0: probably yes, to give a fuller view of the current situation. --Epìdosis 10:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
✓ Done -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 13:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
@Cl3phact0 and @Koavf: the use of en-dash in Spanish is actually noted in that same section of the MOS ("La inclusión de espacios y la sustitución del guion por una raya, o una semirraya, se consideran incorrectas y deben evitarse", which translates to "Adding spaces or substituting the hyphen with an em-dash or an en-dash is considered incorrect and should be avoided".) –FlyingAce✈hello 23:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Clearly. As they say in Spain, "merci, meine Freund". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Indeed, Danke (amigo). One of the sources for this page seems to indicate that proper written Spanish uses the en dash in much the same way we do in English (see: "Ejemplos" in the section "El signo menos (–)"). This seems like the sort of detail that the various language wikis would want to have in sync. It also seems like a madriguera del conejo (which, it seems, is how the Spanish say "rabbit hole"). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #588

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • WikiShootMe expanded to make it possible to find the Items close to pictures you took so you can upload and add them to them (source)
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Template:Synia is a new template which makes it easy to create links to Synia from Wikidata. Template:Synia+ guesses the relevant configuration pages for each entity depending on the values of P31 and P106.
    • Wikifunctions, Wikidata's newest sibling project, had a soft launch. Welcome to the Wikimedia wikiverse, functioneers!
    • The ORES service will be decommissioned and replaced by Lift Wing. If you have a tool that relies on ORES scores to judge edits or the quality of an Item please read the migration announcement. We are collecting affected community tools in phab:T343419.
  • Development
    • EntitySchemas:
    • Wikibase REST API: We continued the work on the route for replacing the data of a statement on a Property (phab:T340006)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Wikidata property for disjointness between two classes

There is disjoint union of (P2738) for a class that is a disjoint union of several classes. But I can't find a property to directly state that one class is disjoint from another. Is there a way to state that two classes are disjoint in Wikidata?

Similarly, there are property constraints in Wikidata but is there a way to put a constraint on instances of a class?

Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 17:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

See Wikidata:Property proposal/disjoint with. GZWDer (talk) 17:19, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Four Updates on the Private Incident Reporting Project


Hello everyone. Sorry to use English. Please help translate to your language.

For the past couple of months the Trust and Safety Tools team has been working on finalising Phase 1 of the Incident Reporting System project.

The purpose of this phase was to define possible product direction and scope of the project with your feedback. We now have a better understanding of what to do next.

  1. We are renaming the project as Incident Reporting System
  2. We have some feedback from researching some pilot communities to share with you
  3. We have updated the project’s overview
  4. We have the first iteration of the reporting extension ReportIncident

Please visit the project's update page to get more details.

On behalf of Trust & Safety Tools Team –– STei (WMF)

12:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Graffiti cleaning top-list

There are at least two tools that gives patrolling statistics, WDPD and XTools. At least on Wikidata it seems the patrol count is not a good indicator of who cleans the most graffiti. Here's an overview over the efforts for the past ~30 days. It's based on automatic edit comments, and for simplicity it does not consider self-reverts, and it assumes editgroups undos are self-reverts. (click on 'expand' to show the table)

User Edits Patrols Undos Restores EditGroups U+R-EG P+U+R
0 Quesotiotyo 232311 10 433 15 0 448 458
1 Xezbeth 24874 20 235 118 79 274 373
2 Vargenau 2957 0 232 0 0 232 232
3 31.160.101.226 1804 0 98 130 0 228 228
4 Roshkara 333 0 100 124 0 224 224
5 Dbalinov 9588 0 222 0 0 222 222
6 Mykhal 771 39 161 39 0 200 239
7 Florentyna 88834 46 179 0 0 179 225
8 Madamebiblio 6049 1 152 19 0 171 172
9 Infovarius 4473 1231 216 22 73 165 1469
10 Ыфь77 7768 0 73 86 0 159 159
11 Danysan1 899 0 155 2 0 157 157
12 Succu 3209 0 98 53 0 151 151
13 Бучач-Львів 7029 0 122 8 0 130 130
14 Jahl de Vautban 8979 0 143 21 35 129 164
15 Infrastruktur 834 597 69 54 0 123 720
16 ItsMario97 943 1 74 40 0 114 115
17 31.200.13.45 117 0 108 0 0 108 108
18 Jklamo 6188 0 43 61 0 104 104
19 Haseeb55 3585 1 97 7 0 104 105
20 81.41.175.237 1556 0 50 53 0 103 103
21 Swpb 4379 0 107 0 9 98 107
22 Moebeus 45061 0 91 2 0 93 93
23 U. M. Owen 5547 0 72 18 0 90 90
24 Wolverène 3302 36 24 58 0 82 118
25 Tacsipacsi 196 21 82 0 0 82 103
26 5.179.170.233 82 0 80 0 0 80 80
27 Gotitbro 314 0 79 0 0 79 79
28 LevandeMänniska 836 0 77 0 0 77 77
29 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton 161 0 77 0 0 77 77
30 Dorades 1194 3 74 1 0 75 78
31 Seanetienne 928 0 67 5 0 72 72
32 M2k~dewiki 65840 12 37 34 0 71 83
33 Gymnicus 21620 0 30 40 0 70 70
34 Matěj Suchánek 703 844 45 20 0 65 909
35 PKalnai 3898 0 60 0 0 60 60
36 Elizium23 391 0 28 31 0 59 59
37 FlyingAce 211 1 53 3 0 56 57
38 Horcrux 15143 10 41 13 0 54 64
39 Fabe56 2847 0 52 2 0 54 54
40 Solidest 4731 0 30 23 0 53 53
41 OBender12 9274 0 32 20 0 52 52
42 Valentina.Anitnelav 11840 1 38 12 0 50 51
43 Frendy Aldo Tobing 588 0 49 0 0 49 49
44 Ovruni 1961 0 23 26 0 49 49
45 Nw520 9757 0 40 5 0 45 45
46 Kareyac 2616 1431 43 2 0 45 1476
47 Quick-O-Mat 11068 12 43 0 0 43 55
48 Oravrattas 2147 0 29 12 0 41 41
49 Tm 2497 0 19 22 0 41 41
50 Nk 553 0 38 2 0 40 40
51 YANN92340 3732 0 39 0 0 39 39
52 France3c0 1379 85 13 26 0 39 124
53 William Graham 30727 0 26 12 0 38 38
54 Andreasmperu 280 1 30 7 0 37 38
55 Lymantria 2272 0 31 6 0 37 37
56 知識熊 691 1612 28 8 0 36 1648
57 Sofie Geneea 478 0 36 0 0 36 36
58 Miikul 2236 0 35 0 0 35 35
59 Zedl 59 0 19 15 0 34 34
60 PaperHuman 59 7 31 2 0 33 40
61 71.172.27.187 1134 0 30 2 0 32 32
62 Robotje 419 0 29 3 0 32 32
63 Miwako Sato 46 0 1 31 0 32 32
64 Romaine 84844 0 29 2 0 31 31
65 Gintek 4593 0 29 2 0 31 31
66 Sangjinhwa 1145 0 0 30 0 30 30
67 Peter James 5710 0 15 15 0 30 30
68 Wostr 50240 0 10 20 0 30 30
69 Gikü 1474 23 15 14 0 29 52
70 Cookroach 5905 0 0 28 0 28 28
71 Mahir256 7443 0 11 17 0 28 28
72 NicoScribe 136 0 26 2 0 28 28
73 Jmax 1974 0 28 0 0 28 28
74 Multichill 2041 0 28 0 0 28 28
75 Olea 3422 5 56 3 31 28 64
76 StarTrekker 5139 0 19 8 0 27 27
77 Dcflyer 1400 4 21 6 0 27 31
78 Karl Oblique 176 25 26 1 0 27 52
79 Maundwiki 20165 0 20 7 0 27 27
80 Pallor 8914 3 23 4 0 27 30
81 Meno25 2012 0 1 25 0 26 26
82 BrokenSegue 3875 284 9 17 0 26 310
83 Ysogo 60104 0 26 0 0 26 26
84 Epìdosis 24427 602 7 19 0 26 628
85 Oursana 3648 0 25 0 0 25 25
86 Epicamused 1220 0 7 18 0 25 25
87 186.29.182.192 83 0 0 25 0 25 25
88 Yiyi 14965 0 8 16 0 24 24
89 Bamyers99 9098 0 24 0 0 24 24
90 Charles Matthews 19817 0 23 1 0 24 24
91 126.186.188.53 40 0 0 24 0 24 24
92 Kris Simbolon 930 0 24 0 0 24 24
93 JhowieNitnek 4309 0 14 10 0 24 24
94 Kolja21 7065 0 19 4 0 23 23
95 Tehonk 31 0 21 0 0 21 21
96 GAN 3814 0 1 20 0 21 21
97 5.11.99.206 22 0 21 0 0 21 21
98 Stjn 234 1 11 10 0 21 22
99 Kirilloparma 6808 61 14 7 0 21 82
100 Back ache 3312 0 21 0 0 21 21
101 Mastrocom 1107 0 14 7 0 21 21
102 Zhenqinli 1280 0 20 0 0 20 20
103 Potapt 209 0 16 4 0 20 20
104 Andre Engels 2491 0 15 5 0 20 20
105 Facenapalm 43144 0 11 9 0 20 20
106 Nikki 3697 2 15 5 0 20 22
107 Taravyvan Adijene 5903 0 2 18 0 20 20
108 Hjart 3067 268 13 6 0 19 287
109 TKsdik8900 176 3 16 1 0 17 20
110 Wooze 643 5 16 0 0 16 21
111 CaféBuzz 40694 15 9 6 0 15 30
112 Maria zaos 10837 7 11 3 0 14 21
113 ArthurPSmith 4073 144 13 1 0 14 158
114 Mạnh An 986 116 0 13 0 13 129
115 Yahya 594 19 6 7 0 13 32
116 Estopedist1 443 550 6 7 0 13 563
117 Fralambert 3971 13 5 5 0 10 23
118 Bdijkstra 414 166 10 0 0 10 176
119 Mormegil 2037 6 214 2 206 10 222
120 Danil Satria 169162 0 1016 4 1011 9 1020
121 Sabelöga 10569 22 8 0 0 8 30
122 Koavf 2181 209 3 5 0 8 217
123 Tol 377 12 6 2 0 8 20
124 Ymblanter 519 18 7 0 0 7 25
125 Mo5ul 28 32 5 0 0 5 37
126 Simon Villeneuve 7719 0 29 1 25 5 30
127 Bencemac 393 79 5 0 0 5 84
128 Hroptatyr 8741 3 273 0 269 4 276
129 Bob08 94782 1 4629 0 4626 3 4630
130 Jarekt 6148 0 713 0 711 2 713
131 Di45Q 0 175 0 0 0 0 175
132 J 1982 0 31 0 0 0 0 31
133 DeltaBot 0 4685 0 0 0 0 4685
134 Wikisfrog 0 35 0 0 0 0 35
135 Jneubert 15009 0 1603 0 1603 0 1603
136 Segrandt 0 25 0 0 0 0 25
137 Syced 0 100 0 0 0 0 100
138 Maxime Ravel 0 30 0 0 0 0 30
139 MsynBot 0 9452 0 0 0 0 9452
140 SvenLieber 759 0 54 0 54 0 54
141 Dnshitobu 707 0 123 0 123 0 123
142 Stinglehammer 29556 0 2824 0 2824 0 2824

Infrastruktur (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

New Wikimedia Deutschland Staff working on Wikidata for Wikimedia Projects

Hello everyone!

I’m Danny and I am delighted to join Wikimedia Deutschland as a Community Communications Manager for the Wikidata for Wikimedia Projects team.

Since its inception, Wikidata has been invaluable in reducing the workload and maintenance of countless projects across many languages and as it has grown, the demands on the Wikidata team have increased.

The establishment of this new team will translate to additional dedicated staff to develop and champion that initial goal of Wikidata: promoting the integration of Wikidata into the Wikimedia Projects!

My role as Community Communications Manager is to connect with editors, engage with communities, promote collaboration with developers, foster and encourage the integration of Wikidata with your projects.

Progress only happens with your input!

Communication and community-centric development are guiding principles to Wikimedia Deutschland and our team exists to help you get the most out of Wikidata for your project.

To that end, we will soon be asking for your feedback, requests and starting conversations about how your project can benefit from Wikidata integration!

I just wanted to say hello and am eager to connect with you in the coming months, whether in person or virtually at Meetups, or drop me a message at my Talk page or an email at:

danny.benjafield(at)wikimedia.de

Best regards,

Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 12:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello everyone,
My name is Ifeatu, and I'm writing to introduce myself as the Product Manager for the Wikidata and Wikimedia Projects team.
The Wikidata for the Wikimedia Projects team is a new team at Wikimedia Deutschland (WMDE) that wants to provide structured data support to other Wikis in the Wikimedia movement. The team is part of the Linked Open Data (LOD) group at WMDE. It will work closely with Lydia Pintscher (Portfolio Lead Product Manager for Wikidata) and other LOD team members to establish sustainable structures to support collaborations between Wikidata and the other Wikimedia projects.
I joined the team in June 2023, and current team member Danny Benjafield (Community Communications Manager) and I are exploring ways to build tools and features in a community-centred way. This means learning about existing initiatives between Wikidata and other Wikimedia projects and examining new insights into fostering Wikidata integrations that are collaborative, multilingual and provide high-quality data for projects of different shapes and sizes.
My background is in interactive media focused on queer, feminist, and migrant narratives. As someone from the global majority, it's imperative to contribute to improving Wikidata's ability to accommodate diverse ways of knowledge contribution and consumption.
As the new team settles in, our big task for the year is interacting with community members from various backgrounds and perspectives to understand what makes collaboration between Wikidata and Wikimedia projects challenging. Please stay tuned for our announcements on how we will do this.
In the meantime, please email me (ifeatu.nnaobi@wikimedia.de) or leave a note on my Talk page if you already have something to share.
Thrilled to be here, --Ifeatu Nnaobi (WMDE) (talk) 12:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Danny and Ifeatu, welcome on board.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Changing namespace broke interwiki

So recently Indonesian Wikisource changed its PROJECT namespace from "Wikisource" to "Wikisumber". Then I noticed pages in that namesource didn't link to other projects anymore, and only after I changed it manually like this that it will start linking the interwikis again.

Is this a known bug? Is there a quick way to solve this for all the pages in Project namespace? Bennylin (talk) 06:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I did some more digging:
Bennylin (talk) 06:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, this is a known bug. The names are stored including the current namespace prefix. When it gets changed, it's necessary to massively replace them using a bot. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Is there a phabricator ticket for this? I'd like to subscribe if there's one. Bennylin (talk) 09:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Not a ticket, but on a side note: I think this particular set of sitelinks has already been fixed by User:MatSuBot (User:Matěj Suchánek). My own bot User:MsynBot also tidies these cases weekly as a side effect of its task 8 (remove sitelinks to inexistent pages on client wikis). Not sure whether this needs more attention. —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I am now aware of any, but even if there was, I don't think this will ever get fixed. Namespace prefix changes like that are very rare ("deus ex machina") and the disruption is marginal since the most used main namespace has no prefix. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Global ban for Бучач-Львів

Per the Global bans policy, I’m informing the project of this request for comment: RfC/Global ban for Бучач-Львів. --Jphwra (talk) 17:10, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way to interwiki link a section to an item?

For project:Conflict of interest (Q4663309), is there some way to connect foundation:Policy:Terms_of_Use#paid-contrib-disclosure? I wouldn't want to interwiki link the whole page. - Jmabel (talk) 18:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

if there'a redirect that points to that section then you can connect to the redirect page. BrokenSegue (talk) 18:27, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
You have to create the interwiki links to a redirect page. Redirect's can point to the section of an article. Depending on the WikiProject, creating such redirects might be within the rules for redirects or not. I don't know exactly how that works at the wiki of the foundation, but I would expect that they like people to easily access their policy.
Maybe answers@wikimedia.org is the place to ask for a creation of such a redirect? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 18:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Help Improve Bad Edits Detection on Wikidata with the Annotation Tool

Hi everyone,

As you're likely aware, the Wikimedia Foundation's Machine Learning and Research teams have been working on migrating from ORES to Lift Wing — a new open-source machine learning infrastructure. This shift brings a host of new capabilities and simplifies the process of retraining models over time. (For more details, see the previous announcement)

Lift Wing has already been trained using a dataset comprising reverted and patrolled edits. However, it would be extremely helpful to have additional new training data to help the model get even better at detecting problematic edits on Wikidata. Therefore, we need your help.

How You Can Contribute

The Research team built a tool to make your involvement easy and effective. This tool allows you to label new training data quickly and efficiently. You can find the tool here: Annotation Tool. It will show you an edit and ask you if you would keep or revert the edit. You can skip any you are not sure about. By participating in this process, you're helping enhance the accuracy of the bad edits detection system on Wikidata, making it more robust and reliable.

If you encounter any issues or want to provide general feedback, feel free to leave us a note on this ticket phab:T341820.

Cheers, -Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) (talk) 07:26, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mohammed Sadat (WMDE): Clicking on links in the rendered revision diff information section takes you to a 404. BrokenSegue (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
It would be good to have more information than just label + description to decide whether or not an edit makes sense or not. Especially if you use machine learning, having more data to make the decision is better. It would also good to show both label and description for both added and removed entries. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Issues for J. R. R. Tolkien (Q892) (important item)

There are a lot of issues about this important item:

  • birth name (no ref)
  • manner of death (no ref)
  • Esperanto
  • University of Oxford
    • academic degree
  • genres
    • translation
    • literary studies
  • Influenced by (no ref at all!)
  • award recieved
    • Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature (no ref)
  • Historical Commission of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences
  • Huijiwiki
  • Los Angeles Review of Books author ID

Could you please help me fix them? Thanks. Besides, a few days ago nominated for (P1411) didn't require references and now it does. Why? -- Carnby (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Apparently is Los Angeles Review of Books author ID (P5705) broken due to a redesign of the website. The latest snapshot from the internet archive is from December 5, 2022.[2], but the "load more authors" button doesn't work anymore. What makes this property broken without repair. RVA2869 (talk) 17:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
I was able to recover a snapshot, however the warning sign doesn't disappear even with deprecated rank and it yields this message: "The value for Los Angeles Review of Books author ID (j-r-r-tolkien) should match the regex [a-z]+-[a-z]+(-[a-z0-9]+)?".-- Carnby (talk) 06:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Poetry and prose as subclasses of literary work

According to the definition of Wikidata, a written work (Q47461344) is any work expressed in writing, such as inscriptions, manuscripts, documents or maps. A subclass (Q3965271) is class contained in some other class in the same way that a subset is a set contained in some other set. Therefore, for a class to be a subclass of another, it must comply with the definition of the superclass and have specific characteristics that differentiate it. The Wikiproject Ontology guidelines are also followed.

In this sense, poetry (Q482) (literary style characterized by a strong expressiveness of words) would not be a subclass of written work (Q47461344), but a form of art (Q1437361) (way in which the elements of an art work are organised in contrast to its content). What is a subclass is poem (Q5185279): work of poetry, often composed of verses. Therefore, poetry is not a literary work itself, but a form of artistic expression.

Therefore, I propose that we put poetry (Q482) as a subclass of form of art (Q1437361) and not as a subclass of written work (Q47461344). I think that would improve and clarify the classification.

The same applies to prose (Q676). --Fantastoria (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Generally, I agree however it's not easy to change it. poetry (Q482) is used with instance of (P31) 16323 times. If we make the change you propose, most of those uses likely need to migrate to poem (Q5185279). ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Poems need not be written down of course, poetry can be part of an oral tradition. Most are recorded on paper, but some could only recorded on audio recordings, or just passed on in the playground. Vicarage (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: It is a task that could be entrusted to a bot without major disruption.
@Vicarage: Touché, but I did not want to carry the discussion out there. However, instead of written work (Q47461344), let's say work (Q386724) (up a couple of steps in the classification) and the argument remains the same: poetry is style and the poem is work (written or not).
--Fantastoria (talk) 10:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
You can certainly task a bot with doing that, but before doing so you have to be to deeply into the current uses and argue what you want to do. It likely also makes sense to ping a few people who are behind the current setup. Maybe ping people who added the model items that suggest the current use or raise the issue in the Wikiproject Source Metadata. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:47, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Best way to edit existing statements while preserving the reference?

Hi, Is there a way to edit existing statements (in bulk) while preserving the reference? I would use it for a bit of data cleanup. For example replace space (Q380933) with hyphen (Q180309) in phone number (P1329) or replace capital letters in lower case letters in email address (P968),... RVA2869 (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

think you would need a bot (and optimally bot approval since those changes don't seem obviously good to me) BrokenSegue (talk) 17:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Ok thanks but i will probably do it with OpenRefine and QS. It is a fairly small dataset of only Belgium, not all telephone numbers and e-mail addresses in Wikidata.
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Is there any way to change the qualifiers suggested by properties locally?

Its really annoying not being able to have the qualifiers that i actually use regularly suggested and instead being given qualifiers that i have use for just because someone used a batch to make tens of thousands of statements once Trade (talk) 01:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

If possible, it sounds like it might be a good idea to give your usual qualifiers aliases that are more unique, that will come to the top of the suggested list when you start typing the alias. Though I recognise this is not always possible. ElDubs (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I am talking about the suggestions when you first open a statement Trade (talk) 03:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
On a possibly related note, sex or gender (P21) always suggested male (Q6581097) and female (Q6581072) first, and it still does when the property is already present on an item. But when adding the property to a new item, androgynos (Q4759445) has appeared at the top of the order for several weeks, and it is now joined by intersex man (Q121307094) and intersex woman (Q121307100) as of a day or so ago. What determines the order? —Xezbeth (talk) 07:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I managed to create my own userscript to have stated in (P248), retrieved (P813) and reference URL (P854) automatically suggested for references. It's definitely possible to adapt it to qualifiers according to one's needs. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Could you make a userscript for me? Trade (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
@Trade: Try User:Matěj Suchánek/qualifierSuggestions.js. But the list of properties is in the code, so you need to make a copy for now. Later I might create something that will let user change their preference without making a copy. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, I forked your script, it’s really helpful! --Emu (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Is there data for country exports = ie. a country may export, iron, rubber, bananas etc. Does this data exist?

My question is if there are properties/data that can be entered regarding if a country exports certain materials or not. If there are properties for this, can you also go in further detailed SPARQL queries and ask say "How much does x country export in % of item y?"

Looking for example up the US on a G search I find the top 5 things that the USA exports to other countries is: 1. "Gasoline and Other Fuels" 2. "Crude Petroleum." 3. "Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) and Other Natural Gases." 4. "Civilian Aircraft Parts." 5. "Passenger Vehicles."

This does not tell me in % and how much. What if there was data that could tell how many % each category is used in a countries export per year, ie, how was the % in export of rubber in Thailand in 2020? Can you make this SPARQL query today in 2023 and we'll get results or is the system not in place to track it or is it irrelevant to track this because perhaps another linked data database has all the info we need, so no need for manual labor of Wikidatians?

Or does this data exist in another linked data database that Wikidata links to? If yes, does anyone know the name of that database that has the information? MythsOfAesop (talk) 07:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I think this would be a very muddled dataset to model, and would all depend on category. In your example you could lump the top 3 as Hydrocarbons. It would really only be useful if some organisation produced uniform statistics for a wide range of countries over significant time period, and made them public domain so they could be imported wholesale. Vicarage (talk) 08:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem merging

I am trying to merge "Étrier" Q3592555 to "aider" Q118746690 (they are the same thing, just two different languages), but when I run the "merge" tool it gives me an error in red letters "Currently only Qid/Lid is a valid input"? What I am doing wrong?. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I've merged Q118746690 into aider (Q3592555) for you. Not sure why you were getting that error, though. M2Ys4U (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
@Aszx5000: When you tried merging, did you put "Q118746690" into the field, or just "118746690"? That's the first thing that comes to mind; the Q has to be included. — Huntster (t @ c) 00:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
That might be it - thank and much appreciated both! Aszx5000 (talk) 00:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Bad language binding

Article:eo:Madarász (familia nomo). I wrote the article, but in the wikidata language binding, sk (Slovak) is correct, de (German) is wrong. Why? Crosstor (talk) 12:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Crosstor: By "language binding", do you mean links to dewiki, skwiki and so on? Madarász (Q25482310) correctly only links sk and eo. The link to dewiki from eo:Madarász (familia nomo) is because of a mistake on eowiki which I just fixed. Best wishes, Jonathan Groß (talk) 14:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

John Broughton

I came across Q15080841, author of Wikipedia: The Missing Manual, who was born in 1674, and died 1720. This is quite an impressive feat! I've tried to work out what's happening here, and it looks like it might not just be the Wikidata item that's conflated these authors, but also maybe VIAF (and possibly some others). What's the best way to deal with this? Yodin (talk) 12:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

 In progress --Emu (talk) 13:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
✓ Done Split into John Broughton (Q121411533): English clergyman and philosopher (1670s-1720) and John Broughton (Q121411387): author of 'Wikipedia: The Missing Manual'. RfD request here: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q15080841 --Emu (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! 👍 Yodin (talk) 14:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Krokus (Q157806)

Hi there! I do not trust myself with what I am about to ask: this item is wrong as their should not be an article for Krokus. In Afrikaans it is a vernacular name for Crocus sativus. Also, I have just created an article Crocus (genus) on the Afrikaans Wikipedia to be in line with all the other Wiki's. I hope it make sense. Can you assist met by removing Krokus and create Crocus? Groete! Oesjaar (talk) 08:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Oesjaar: I want to ensure I'm understanding correctly: you are wanting Crocus (Q157806) to point to Crocus, and Crocus sativus (Q15041677) to point to Krokus? The confusing thing is that the Krokus article seems to be about both the genus and the Crocus sativus species. I would suggest fixing this issue. — Huntster (t @ c) 13:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
In short, scrap Krokus and create a new Crocus. The word Krokus has been used wrong on Wikidata. I will fix Krokus on Afrikaans - your remark is correct - hence the reason for requesting this change. Groete! Oesjaar (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
@Oesjaar: If you are going to rewrite Krokus to focus on the species, then I will simply switch which wikidata item these articles are linked to. — Huntster (t @ c) 21:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes! Oesjaar (talk) 06:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #589

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Events
    • Upcoming:
      • Wikimania 2023 (16–19 August, Singapore and Online) program is out: wikimania:2023:Program
      • Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group Working Hour August 18, 2023: Over the summer and into the fall the LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group will be offering a series of Wikidata Working Hours to give folks an opportunity to try out various Wikidata-related skills and tools by assembling a data set of diverse library and information science (LIS) materials (articles, conference proceedings, books) and adding it to Wikidata. Wikidata Working Hours provide hands-on Wikidata experience in a supportive space. We hope you will join us if you are interested in learning more about Wikidata, exploring LIS literature, and have been looking for a fun Wikidata project to contribute to. The first Wikidata Working Hour in the series will cover creating a bibliography of diverse LIS articles and books. We will generate a spreadsheet of sources ready for use during subsequent Working Hours. This session will be recorded and the recording shared on the event page. Event page
    • Past: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #104, Police
  • Development
    • Wikibase REST API: We are working on adding and replacing statements on Properties (phab:T339363, phab:T340006)
    • EntitySchemas:
      • We continued working on making the mobile termbox from Items and Properties work on EntitySchemas
      • We fixed a missing warning for non-logged-in editors and license note (phab:T343333, phab:T343118)
    • IP Masking: We are investigating what implications the upcoming IP Masking changes in MediaWiki have for Wikibase (phab:T328454)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


Which i18n way Template:Anonblock is using?

The main page of this template looks like have some subpages for language editions, but {{Anonblock/text}} also exists which uses Special:Translate subpage, I wonder if there are reasons either ways are used for same template? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Cleanup needed at United States Postmaster General

See Talk:Q1753094 for the compiled table, we are still missing a few and have error messages. Anyone else want to help out? RAN (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Rename/move an item (disambiguation)

How do you rename/move an item? Is this only available to administrators? If so, how can I request an item rename/move? I couldn't find this topic in the FAQ. For example, Centre Mountain currently is setup for the mountain by this name in Alberta. However, this item needs to be renamed to Centre Mountain (Alberta) and Centre Mountain needs to become a disambiguation page. I see this issue on a number of item pages relating to mountains. RedWolf (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

In Wikidata its not a problem for items to have the same label, if their description makes them unique. So "Snowy Mountain" is fine for both any mountains of that name and the disambiguation page provided the description says "mountain in Alberta" etc. Parentheses should be avoided. For things that could be confused we have paired different from (P1889) statements. Vicarage (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
If a page is linked to a Wikidata item and is moved, it will (usually) automatically be updated in Wikidata. You can make changes as well by scrolling down to the bottom of an item and editing the Wikipedia pages and adding an entry by language code of the Wikipedia project. I went through and linked Centre Mountain (Q22457057) and Centre Mountain (Q22457079) to what I think are the correct articles in enwiki. -- William Graham (talk) 21:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Do I use "stated in" two times if I use a Wayback Machine link in the references field

ie. let's say that I have a New York Times link as a source for a statement in the references field and it's an archived link from Wayback Machine.

Do I:

1. Add two statements, that it has been stated A in the Wayback Machine and B in the New York Times

OR

2. Only add one statement that it has been stated in the New York Times or only that it has been stated in the Wayback Machine?

Which one of these two/three options are correct? MythsOfAesop (talk) 06:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

The Wayback machine archives, it doesn't assert anything, so use a wayback link but mention the NYT as the source. Vicarage (talk) 07:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
presumably archive URL (P1065) too BrokenSegue (talk) 17:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
This. When using Wayback links, I always couple the base url in reference URL (P854) with the Wayback url in archive URL (P1065), for completeness. — Huntster (t @ c) 00:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Property constraint - exception

Technically, would it be possible to amend the property constraint (P2302) on taxon name (P225), whereby there is conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838) BHL page ID (P687), so that there is an exception to constraint (P2303) (is this the right exception?) where use of BHL page id as an identifier (separately from and in addition to its use as a taxon name reference) is qualified by object has role (P3831) first valid description (Q1361864)? (As an example, Varanus marathonensis (Q12009011)), thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Associating a restaurant with one or more books

Is there a property to associate a restaurant with 1 or more books that it has released or is associated with? For example, Hawksmoor has released Hawksmoor: Restaurants & Recipes. Alex Chamberlain (talk)

The 2 authors are 2 of the founders of the Hawksmoor restaurants. The book itself talks about the origin of the restaurants, as well as having a lot of recipes inspired by the restaurants favourite dishes. The publisher is an independent, well established industry publisher as far as I can tell. The book is sold in the restaurant, as well as bookstores.
Note that this is not an uncommon relationship- Dishoom (another well regarded restaurant in London) sells a book of the same name. Similarly, Borough Market in south London has 2 associated cookbooks. Alex Chamberlain (talk) 08:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
There's main subject, from the book to the restaurant? Azertus (talk) 10:05, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I think that could work? Alex Chamberlain (talk) 10:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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Editing musician items - connecting stage name to real name

Temple is an musical alias/side-project for Gōta Nishidera . What is the proper way to represent this in Wikidata?

Also, is there a general "editing music items in WikiData" howto document that I should be reading? Bsammon (talk) 02:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

"Connecting stage name to real name"
Well, Lady Gaga (Q19848) has a few aliases you can base your item on. ie. she got Jo Calderone, Stefani Germanotta etc. Visit that item and you'll see, then just use that item as a template for whatever artist you are interested in. MythsOfAesop (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, that's probably better than the example I came up with -- David Bowie & Ziggy Stardust -- Ziggy Stardust is linked as a fictional character played by David Bowie. Bsammon (talk) 01:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Looking at the Lady Gaga example a bit more, I'm not sure what lesson to take from it. In the case I am looking at, there is Q11248508 and Q11627691, both of which are the same person. I'm thinking they should either be merged (with the WD-item pointing to both wikipedia items) or there should be some sort of property/relationship linking both items, with a property-name like "performs as" or "stage name" or something like that.
Thoughts? Is there a precedent or policy to follow?

Bsammon (talk) 04:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay, found Wikidata:WikiProject Music. I looked for a bit, and didn't find anything in their documentation that answered my question. And I didn't find any good place for WikiProject-Music disussion -- I did see a note that "The community primarily communicates on Telegram" -- and I don't use Telegram, and don't plan to start using it in the near future (does it require a smartphone?)

So it would appear my best option is to hope for answers here. --Bsammon (talk) 02:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

We can't merge the two pages as it contains two separate Japanese Wikipedia articles. The nearest thing I can see is the case of Crazy Loop (Q3002397) as stage name (Q1055303) of Dan Balan (Q314206). Bluemask (talk) 05:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Maintenance

Are there any kind of maintenance categories, like on Wikipedia? I find myself at a loss for what to do; I'd love a simple category to work through. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Edward, if you are interested in authority files, this maintenance list still needs help: Property talk:P227/Constraint violations/Single best value constraint (humans died before 1851). As an instruction manual see Help:P227 --Kolja21 (talk) 22:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Constraint violations reports are a good source of things to do. Just look for one property related to something you like and see what it's constraint report says. Also you can find links to Mix&match catalogs on some properties, which assists in adding identifiers to items on Wikidata, another great way to kill some time. I've made some reports myself, such as the one for missing labels by language. You can also join a Wikiproject to work on things related to stuff you are interested in. Infrastruktur (talk) 22:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I'm interested in taxa, so there's plenty of work to do. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
@User:Edward-Woodrow: Have you come across PetScan? eg here is a list of extinct mammal taxa originally created on Serbian wikipedia where (via the wikidata tab) there is a wikidata item, but as yet no parent taxon; eg here's one "fixed" earlier, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 06:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: Hello again! :) Yes, I've used PetScan before, but I wasn't aware it cut be used for Wikidata. I'll try it out. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow (talk) 12:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Request for linking a language in Feyenoord

Hello everyone, the article of the football club Feyenoord in spanish wikipedia has been moving to his new ubication (previously, his name was “Feyenoord de Rotérdam”). The problem is that his wikidata page is semi-protected and his article in the spanish wikipedia is unlinked. Anyone can be replace the label of the element in spanish for “Feyenoord”? Beforehand thank you very much! Loft-ind (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Unable to add Positioning property for Smartphone

Hi, I was trying to add Positioning as GPS, GLONASS and BDS (source ref: https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_7-9513.php) for a wikidata item Redmi Note 7 (Q60872929): Android smartphone released in 2019 but unfortunately the property Positioning was not present. Is there any other property related to Positioning, so that I can add all those three satellite navigation system that Redmi Note 7 supports according to the source. Rocky 734 (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Oddly enough, there is no specific Wikiproject for smartphones/mobile phones or even telecommunications. So there is no standard for articles about mobile phones (types). At least you can try to discuss it on Wikidata:WikiProject Informatics. Jklamo (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
I asked a similar question here about assigning technologies to items last week, and got no response. We don't seem to have a policy. Vicarage (talk) 08:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know @Jklamo.I will ask there. Rocky 734 (talk) 02:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Positioning was created, but is getting no traction. Vicarage (talk) 15:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Citing references for translations

Hello, I hope you're all doing fine! I would like to inquire how to cite sources for translations in items. For example, I have item d:Q112205733, where I have added the translation to Slovene. Now this Slovene word appears in a certain document published in 1978 (d:Q121423460). I have tried to cite it as the source to ensure verifiability but I always get an error message. How should I proceed with that? --TadejM (talk) 22:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Are you familiar with Lexemes?
I added this in the search field:
> L:turistifikacija
but it gave me no results so obviously nobody has added it yet, but I tried with another word: tourism (L14346). I think this Lexeme may not answer your query completely but it has 1 feature which I think you'll find interesting. This Lexeme links back to the item it's about through the item for this sense (P5137) property. So tourism (L14346) links to tourism (Q49389).
In a similar way we could create the Lexeme for your contributed Slovenian word but as a Lexeme. Wikidata is a big database of Lexemes and finding a lexeme shouldn't be too hard, I can offer you my help with that even though I'm a bit new to Lexemes myself.
I haven't found a solution yet to your question but I'm looking for it. So far I'm looking for a query which includes Lexemes in the Slovenian language and when I get it I'll help you further. MythsOfAesop (talk) 08:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I got the help I needed, the query listed in this permanent link, will execute a Wikidata Query that should find 32 lexemes in the Slovenian language: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Request_a_query&diff=next&oldid=1955274441#Lexemes_in_the_Slovenian_language
As you keep on adding more lexemes(or if other people do) the list will increase in size. You can do the same as I did by requesting a query, if you need to sort the lexemes in more precise categories. I had asked for a query that included also the property described by source (P1343) but none of the lexemes included any so it didn't make sense to search for it, I checked them all by hand just to be sure.

Thank you for creating turistificirati se (L1148144). MythsOfAesop (talk) 09:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, MythsOfAesop. Thanks a lot for providing detailed help. I will check this out. --TadejM (talk) 13:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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Issues with name items

I get the feeling that there is a ton of crossover with several types of nicknames, surnames etc and that these there has been several cases of merges with items like these after-name (Q4116295), Q15635173, that don't always end up making sense. I've been trying to move around and clean up a lot here but I can't read all these languages so its hard for me to really get if the links that are left are really about the same things. StarTrekker (talk) 06:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@StarTrekker: If you weren't already aware, Wikidata:WikiProject Names should be all about these name questions. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Adding a list of languages to an app

I want to add a list of languages, that an android application supports (Firefox for Android (Q550315)). But I can see only one property language of work or name with value multiple languages . Can I add individual languages to the list. If not, is their any other property that fulfills my need.

Thanks Rocky 734 (talk) 03:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rocky 734: I'm not an expert in this area of wikidata but I think it would be fine to list all the languages. I'm guessing that the person who set it up before you just didn't bother to list them all out because it's tedious. BrokenSegue (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @BrokenSegue got it.:-) Rocky 734 (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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family name or Wikimedia category

There are about 800 items psid=25673336 in enwikipedia classified in the "Category:Surnames" and in dewikipedia classified in the "Kategorie:Begriffsklärung" (Disambiguation). Can/may/showld I replace P31=Q4167836 (Wikimedia category) to P31=Q101352 (family name) ? JotaCartas (talk) 17:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@JotaCartas You probably mean Q4167410, not Q4167836. And no, the scope (instance) of the entities in Wikidata should only be changed in exceptional cases. Keep the items as disambiguation pages and move the English sitelinks corresponding to surnames to the surname items. Eg. Goldy (Q5580397) => Goldy (Q37432703), if you want. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer, I will folow your advice JotaCartas (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Delosperma ecklonis vs. Delosperma invalidum

Hi guys! According to KEW Plants of the World Online are these two plant independent species. Can somebody please look into this? Groete uit Suid-Afrika! Oesjaar (talk) 07:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

They are, see here (2017). --Succu (talk) 08:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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black men (Q109328751) and African-American men (Q106353292)

Should we merge these two items?--Trade (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

A black Briton, Frenchman or Italian is not an African-American man-- Carnby (talk) 13:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Why would we? StarTrekker (talk) 14:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
No. The latter is a subset of the former (at most: there could be persons belong to the ethnic group African-Americans who would not consider themselves or be considered members of the racial group black, e.g. Walter White (Q3565918)). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
As I was strongly and vociferously informed on enwiki when I inquired about Elon Musk, "African-American" is clearly defined as a Black person of African descent. I don't know how Mr. White fits in. Elizium23 (talk) 19:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Elon Musk counting as African-American or not has no impact on the fact that all black men are not Americans.StarTrekker (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Certainly! I was answering Koavf, you see, about A-A being a subset of black, whuch it clearly is. There can be no non-Black African-Americans. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
This may be news to you, but some persons are multi-racial. If you took even the mildest time to do research at w:en:Walter White (NAACP), you would know that White had some African-American ancestry. If you're still not motivated to actually go there and learn about the topic: "I am a Negro. My skin is white, my eyes are blue, my hair is blond. The traits of my race are nowhere visible upon me." Of his 32 great-great-great-grandparents, only five were black, and the other 27 were white. Does that explain it for you? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, and you seem quite hostile again towards me. Please consider being polite.
I looked into Mr. White's situation, and I would definitely say that it's entirely distinct from Elon Musk.
Though often passing for white, White certainly acknowledged his Black African lineage. Whereas, Musk's lineage is entirely White, outside of Africa, (but remarkably not Afrikaner?) so by any measure, Musk can't be classified either as Black or African-American.
Of course the question of multi-raciality raises the perilous question, "What is Black?" Is it "one drop" of Black heritage? Is it a certain hue of the epidermis and/or physical features that are measurable? Is it self-identification? Might be up for interpretation. Elizium23 (talk) 21:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
You are correct that it is completely unrelated to Elon Musk. Did you do any kind of research before writing this comment? "Though often passing for white, White certainly acknowledged his Black African lineage": correct, this was in no way in dispute. The point I was making is that he is a white person who is also a member of the African-American people. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
"all black men are not Americans": some black men are, just not all black men are Americans. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
We categorize Caucasian men from Africa that migrated to the United Sates by their country of origin, not their continent. So Elon Musk would be a South African-American, another would be a Rhodesian-American or a Botswanan-American. --RAN (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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Is it possible to add a label/description in a foreign language?

Is it possible to add a label/description in a foreign language (not included in the existing Wikipedia pages) without creating another item and merging it?-- Carnby (talk) 06:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

The languages of the existing Wikipedia pages are irrelevant to the label/description shown. For languages that don't already have a label or description Wikidata shows you empty field for those that are in your babel languages of your profile.
If you want to add a label or description that's not in your babel you can click on "Labels List" and then on "Edit". ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps that works for you, but not for me. I asked about this earlier and nobody was able to answer why I can't.
There's no such button as "Labels List" anywhere. If I go to an item, I see the language labels in my Babel. Now I see "⯈In more languages" at the top; when clicked, it collapses that box. At bottom, I see a link "All entered languages", and when clicked, exposes all labels with data entered into them.
What this link does not expose is labels with no data entered yet. So it's a Catch-22! If nobody's entered data yet, than I can't do so either! But if I can't enter data in the first place, then the blanks don't show up for me to add stuff. Weird. Elizium23 (talk) 10:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@Elizium23 it's a gadget. RVA2869 (talk) 11:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@RVA2869: do you mean "labelLister"? No it's not. I've had it enabled since the last conversation, and the behavior is as above, not exposing any blanks for me. Elizium23 (talk) 12:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello @Carnby: please see
M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
The standard languages are defined using the language babel on the userpage, for example User:M2k~dewiki M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki, can you describe exactly where and how this is activated? The gadget appears to have zero documentation or help files, and there is no obvious button or link that I have found to get that dialog box you are displaying to us. Elizium23 (talk) 12:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
d:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets → "labelLister" → activate checkbox → Save settings
After activation you get a link as shown in
M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
No, you don't get any such link. There is no link to activate it there or anywhere else. I've done Ctrl+F on the whole page. Elizium23 (talk) 12:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
And there it is, labelLister is mired in Vector 2010, and is not compatible with Vector 2022. It looks like I'll need to switch skins every time I intend to use this Gadget. Is it supported or updated anymore, or simply abandonware? Elizium23 (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
An alternative to the labelLister-Gadget might be using the babel-languages-template on the user page for setting the standard languages
M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
So @Nikki has chosen to unilaterally revert my edits to the help pages without discussion, where I warned Vector 2022 users that labelLister is incompatible, and she insists it works for her, but nothing I do to my own account, except disabling the skin, will make it work. What is going on? Elizium23 (talk) 06:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Elizium23 Have you tried it with another browser or in incognito mode? Maybe there is a conflict with some browser extensions/settings/cache... RVA2869 (talk) 07:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes. No conflicts. Totally consistent across 3 disparate devices, including mobile and desktop views. I use zero extensions. Remember, it worked immediately once I enabled Vector 2010. Elizium23 (talk) 12:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Isn't there a way to invoke "safe mode" on a Wiki page? How is that done on Wikidata? Elizium23 (talk) 12:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I have confirmed that the author abandoned his account two years ago. If administrators prohibit me from noting this incompatible status on help pages, then I sincerely pity the next person who struggles for as many months as I did, to understand why it doesn't do what it says on the tin. Elizium23 (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello @Elizium23: you could open a task on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ with the problem description
Also see Help_talk:Multilingual#LabelLister:_Issue_with_Vector_2022_(vs._Vector_2010) M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
✓ Done
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T344661
Elizium23 (talk) 02:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki, @Nikki, okay, well, my bad. They closed this bug as "Invalid", because labelLister works fine. The link is found in the right-hand sidebar, or the tools menu if sidebar is hidden. I could have sworn that I looked there once, but I suppose I didn't look hard enough? Anyway, I found it, works for me, sorry for the confusion.
Although I suppose that the documentation should be updated in light of widespread use of Vector 2022. I'm sure I won't be the only confused dude. Unfortunately, the tool is indeed abandoned, since the author's last edit was two years ago. Elizium23 (talk) 23:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
For me it works. Thank you.-- Carnby (talk) 13:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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De-merging an entry (Two people merged incorrectly)

Hi there, can someone help me with Q75796830 - this UK person (George Lovett Bennett, 1846-1916) is not the same as the American photographer George C Bennett. Their data seems to have been mixed up; there are some references to George C Bennett but the entry is mostly about George Lovett Bennett.

Most of the entry relates to the Victorian Latinist, so I would like help to move the George C Bennett data into a different / new entity. It's beyond my skill level unfortunately. JimKillock (talk) 11:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

There was a separate item, Q86109818, which was merged after some wrong identifiers had been added and names had been changed; I've restored a version of Q86109818 and moved some statements (using moveClaim, which can be enabled in the Gadgets tab of Preferences and adds a move button to statements). The VIAF and WorldCat Identities ID are still mixed up, but I've kept them in Q75796830 as the works in VIAF are by George Lovett Bennett and the WorldCat is based on the Library of Congress authority ID there. Peter James (talk) 12:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks very much, that seems to be the right set of changes. Quite a coincidence on their names and years of birth / death being so close. JimKillock (talk) 18:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Obituaries, split

Hello. I think that Q6862675 should be split because it contains categories related to two different meanings of the word "Obituary": the register of deaths (in Wikipedia) and the biographies of recent deaths (in Wikisource and Wikiquote). Do you agree? --Superchilum(talk to me!) 19:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree, different category contains (P4224) for each. I restored the separate item Q15629096. I removed some labels from Q6862675 but I'm not sure if they should be added to Q15629096; there are others that I don't know whether to move or not. Peter James (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
@Peter James: thank you very much :-) --Superchilum(talk to me!) 14:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
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Merging proposal

Are Elias (Q11878157) and Elias (Q1620786) the same item?-- Carnby (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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Uploading the Malta 2021 census data on Wikidata

I would like to upload census data on Wikidata, so that the related articles on Wikipedia be automatically updated. Problem is, I don't know how to :) So far I have found the following:

Would anyone with more experience on the issue be able to help me out? Thanks a lot! -- Dans (talk) 10:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Dans: an upload could be done using Help:QuickStatements:
Also see
M2k~dewiki (talk) 15:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Peakfinder site contents moved to cdnrockiesdatabases.ca

I cannot update property values. On Aug 14, I added details about the move and my proposed changes on the PeakFinder ID discussion page. RedWolf (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

How to model honorary titles like "baroness"?

Over at Kathy Willis, Baroness Willis of Summertown (Q15994834)  View with Reasonator View with SQIDView profile on Scholia, there is currently a title (P1476) View with SQIDView profile on Scholia statement to express that the "baroness" part of the name is a honorary title. I think that P1476 is misplaced here, but I found no proper way to express the intended meaning and would appreciate pointers. Daniel Mietchen (talk) 11:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

You need noble title (P97) instead of title (P1476) RVA2869 (talk) 12:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
@RVA2869: Thanks for thinking along. I suspect noble title (P97) is not a good fit here either, since it requires an item, and I'm not sure we should have one for "Baroness of Summertown" or even "Baroness Willis of Summertown", as I have no idea about the nature and cultural context of such titles. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 23:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
@Daniel Mietchen baron (Q165503) is a generic title, you can always make a new one. Something like this Baron Byron (Q808603). RVA2869 (talk) 08:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
For hereditary peerages, the usual practice is noble title (P97):Baron Byron (Q808603) if an item for the title exists, or noble title (P97):baron (Q165503) if it does not, and the generic value can be made more specific later.
For Willis, it's a life peerage not a hereditary one, so I think the most common practice here is to use noble title (P97):life peer (Q2914468) rather than a specific "Baron[ess] Willis of Summertown" item. But if in doubt, assign the generic "baron" and it'll get fixed up eventually. Andrew Gray (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
@RVA2869, Andrew Gray: Thanks for the input. I went with noble title (P97):life peer (Q2914468). --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 12:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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Linking Wikifunctions

Has there been any thought on whether/when sitelinks to Wikifunctions will be enabled? Should they be an entry under "Multilingual sites" / should there be a property?

I imagine there would be enough to link, say Z1286 to Q4418344. Azertus (talk) 09:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes. See phab:T342857. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #590

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • New requests for permissions/Bot: TiagoLubianaBot 2 (Task: The Open Targets Platform is an important biomedical resource that makes its data available under a CC0 license waiver. The request at hand is to extend the permissions of User:TiagoLubianaBot to import information from Open Targets, initially with a focus on physical interactions between proteins and drugs.)
  • Tool of the week
    • Psychiq, a Distributed Wikidata Game system, suggests statements to add to Items based on Wikipedia English articles content.
  • Development
    • EntitySchemas: We investigated ways to help you search for EntitySchemas by their Labels, Aliases and Descriptions (phab:T341969)
    • Mismatch Finder: We have added the Language Selector to the Mismatch Finder (phab:T328149)
    • Improved language fallback: We are testing to clearly show the fallback Label in the placeholders for empty Labels (phab:T338330, phab:T340832)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


PMC and author manuscripts

How to mark PMCID (P932) value in a scientific article (The physiology of urinary concentration: an update (Q37258135), for example) as referring to a manuscript that was published in its final form in the corresponding journal? Can I use instance of (P31) qualifier set to manuscript (Q2376293)? Are there any other ways? What would be the best way to mark PMCID as manuscript? D6194c-1cc (talk) 18:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@D6194c-1cc Isn't this already an item for a published manuscript in its final form in the corresponding journal? If yes, why would we expect any other Pubmed Central link to appear in this item? Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 18:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Final form of a manuscript can be corrected by journal editors and it can be hidden by paywall. Here is example: [3] / [4] (look at the information about the manuscript in the header). To cite PMC manuscript by modules that I develop (like Cite Q) properly I need to know whether PMC copy is the manuscript or the article itself. D6194c-1cc (talk) 18:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@D6194c-1cc Ah, OK. I imagine that a qualifier like object has role (P3831) or applies to part (P518) could be suitable but I invite others from the community here to comment on a best solution. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
The object has role (P3831) property seems the most suitable. If no one minds, I'll add it to the PMCID (P932) allowed qualifiers constraint (Q21510851) restrictions. D6194c-1cc (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Vojtěch Dostál: Thanks for the help! D6194c-1cc (talk) 09:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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A way to connect our ingredient chemical composition database to your server

Hi there, At GlobalChem we have been documenting the chemical compositions of different foods and materials. Our goal is to establish a connection between our database and your server. This connection will enable the provision of 1D-representations of the chemicals present in various foods and materials. This collaborative effort will greatly aid individuals in identifying the chemical makeup of different foods and materials, enhancing their understanding of these compositions. Nickspizza001 (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

sounds cool but please do not make a lot of edits to wikidata without getting some kind of buy in from the community. you may need to go to Wikidata:Property proposal or Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot. BrokenSegue (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! Will do that. 197.210.29.118 23:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Magnus Manske/duplicate item.js

I feel very stupid, I can't figure out how to activate User:Magnus Manske/duplicate item.js. StarTrekker (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @StarTrekker: you have to add the line
importScript( 'User:Magnus_Manske/duplicate_item.js' );
to your
like in
However, I would recommend to use User:So9q/duplicate item.js instead, since it also includes the additional confirmation step "are you sure you?", otherwise duplicates might be created by accident by clicking on the wrong naviagational element. M2k~dewiki (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much @M2k~dewiki:!StarTrekker (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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Description

Why there are two different descriptions for the same type of edit? [5] and [6] What is the difference? Eurohunter (talk) 18:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Probably the method (API call) used. Notice that the frwiki page was created using the Content Translation tool and the enwiki page was the source for the translation. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 16:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Indeed it is the API method used. `wblinktitles` vs `wbsetsitelink` ·addshore· talk to me! 11:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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Disney+ and Amazon Prime Video

Hi, can I ask you a little edit about the Italian Wikidata of Disney+ and Amazon Prime Video? I can't edit them because they're protected. I'd like to write "servizio di streaming statunitense", which is the correct translation of "American streaming service". In fact that's what's written in the Italian Wikidata of other streaming services' articles, such as the ones about Paramount+, Peacock, Crunchyroll, etc. 79.44.29.187 21:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

✓ Done: Disney+ (Q54958752), Amazon Prime Video (Q4740856). --β16 - (talk) 07:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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Duplication of elements

Hi. Is it possible to combine duplicated elements Q121864308 and Q19968481? 1677venzel gottorpskij (talk) 16:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, they can be merged.StarTrekker (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
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New tool for editing albums

Hello!

I've created a new tool called Multi-track Drafting, the hope is that it can make the creation of music tracks and tracklists a lot simpler: https://multitrack-drafting.toolforge.org

Essentially, you pick an album to edit, input your tracklist (with optional duration and ISRC), plus some other optional metadata like the producer, recording location, and performer, and then it'll automatically create the track items and tracklist statement for you!

Here are some examples of album items I've edited with this tool: Saintmotelevision (Q26963142), Relativity 3 (Q121848571), Mouth Sounds (Q18713733), Mouth Silence (Q24037126)

Thanks to User:Moebeus for all the help on figuring out how this tool should work and for helping me refine its functionality!

There's documentation at User:Nicereddy/Multitrack_Drafting if you'd like more information. Please ping me if you run into any problems.

Best, Nicereddy (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

good I like it Younger G the slaughterer (talk) 06:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

depicts (P180) of image (P18): it's me!

I've made a query to detect which items have depicts (P180) of image (P18) that links to the same item. This is it (1902 items). Is there any reason in any case for this kind of redundancy? Thanks in advance. Paucabot (talk) 15:52, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

More simple version: https://w.wiki/7LVY . Looking at cases like [7], I think this should be moved to the Media Info on Commons. Multichill (talk) 10:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Multichill for the simpler query. In the case you mention, Q100535#P18, don't you think it's absolutely redundant (only P180, I mean)? Every photograph in P18 of an item should represent the item. Am I missing something? Thanks, Paucabot (talk) 17:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

User group icons

Hello, I have made some icons for user groups on Wikidata which do not appear to currently have user icons. However there was some pushback on adding them directly to the pages by @Tacsipacsi so I am asking here if these are a good addition. The following are the user groups and the icons which I made.

Should some or all of these be added as standard icons to the pages? Terasail[✉️] 14:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #591

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • Closed request for permissions/Bot: TiagoLubianaBot 2 (Task: The Open Targets Platform is an important biomedical resource that makes its data available under a CC0 license waiver. The request at hand is to extend the permissions of User:TiagoLubianaBot to import information from Open Targets, initially with a focus on physical interactions between proteins and drugs.)
  • Events
    • Ongoing: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #107, Teeth (Challenge started on 2023-08-28 12:01:31)
    • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group Working Hour August 28, 2023. We will cover adding the articles from our bibliography of diverse LIS resources that we created in our last session to Wikidata! We will learn how to use Zotero, the reference management software, and its browser plugin to automatically extract metadata for articles and convert them to a Wikidata format that can be batch uploaded using QuickStatements. To get a sneak preview of what we will be doing, you can learn more about the Wikidata & Zotero link here: Wikidata:Zotero. This session will be recorded and the recording shared on the event page. Event page
  • Press, articles, blog posts, videos
    • Papers: WikiDBs: A Corpus Of Relational Databases From Wikidata
    • Videos
      • Keynote about Wikidata for the Chinese Confernence on Knowledge Graphs and Semantic Computing 2023, by Denny Vrandečić - YouTube
      • How to fill an Infobox on Wikipedia using Wikidata - Wikipedia For Beginners - YouTube
      • The impact of Wikidata-powered inboxes on minority and low-resourced language Wikipedias in Africa (Wikimania 2023) - YouTube
      • How to create item in Wikidata about a village (in Malayalam) - YouTube
      • Add Wikidata link to an OpenStreetMap relation (in Guarani) - YouTube
      • WikiDBs: A Corpus Of Relational Databases From Wikidata - YouTube
  • Tool of the week
    • Wikitrivia is a web-based game that challenges your knowledge of historical events, people, and places. The game is a combination of Sudoku and Scrabble, and all the data used in the game is sourced from Wikidata and Wikipedia. The objective of the game is to place the cards on the timeline in the correct order.
  • Development
    • We started looking at ways to make the Mismatch Finder more powerful and capture more mismatches.
    • We updated bootstrap-table library on Wikidata Query Service (phab:T328281)
    • We fixed Lexeme header overlaps page toolbar in Minerva skin (phab:T318981)
    • We fixed lookup component scrollbar problem (phab:T325822)
    • We added telnet as a valid protocol for URL data types (phab:T344417)
    • We added language fallback support for EntitySchemas on Special pages (phab:T338798)

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Review the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee

More languages • Please help translate to your language

Hello all,

I am pleased to share the next step in the Universal Code of Conduct work. The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) draft charter is now ready for your review.

The Enforcement Guidelines require a Building Committee form to draft a charter that outlines procedures and details for a global committee to be called the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). Over the past few months, the U4C Building Committee worked together as a group to discuss and draft the U4C charter. The U4C Building Committee welcomes feedback about the draft charter now through 22 September 2023. After that date, the U4C Building Committee will revise the charter as needed and a community vote will open shortly afterward.

Join the conversation during the conversation hours or on Meta-wiki.

Best,

RamzyM (WMF), on behalf of the U4C Building Committee, 15:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Anti-Vandal Bot

I've been working on and off on an anti-vandal bot for Wikidata. I'm not done yet but I'm at the point where I don't want to commit much more effort in this direction unless I'm sure the community is actually interested in having such a thing. I put together a document discussing the plan at User:BrokenSegue/CounterVandalismBotPlan but generally the idea is 1) train/evaluate offline 2) tag vandalous edits 3) start reverting edits.

So my question is: would such a bot see approval if its performance were "good enough" and what do people think constitutes "good enough"?

Also, if anyone is interested in collaborating do tell.

BrokenSegue (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

  • I am generally supportive, and I think it would gain community support as well. But the ML component ain't easy. Is it a good idea to compete with the ML team of the Wikimedia foundation? —MisterSynergy (talk) 23:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
    I mean worst case I don't figure out how to get good enough models and nothing happens. Best case the WMF's ML team produces a model good enough and I just build an anti-vandal bot around their tech. The case I'm mainly considering is that I build a model that uses their model as one of its inputs. I don't believe the WMF plans to productionize their models as an anti-vandal bot so there's definitely work to do here that isn't competitive with the WMF. I've already been playing with the prototype models the WMF is cooking up. BrokenSegue (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I'd say that Wikidata is no-doubt in need for more counter vandalism activity. The problem that i see is that all efforts that tried to aid Counter Vandalism using AI until now (mainly ORES) produce both a lot of type II errors (which would be acceptable for such a bot) and a way to high number of type I errors. In order to be acceptable, such a bot would in my opinion need to guarantee at least α<0.1%. How does your approach differ from ORES? -- Dr.üsenfieber (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    @Dr.üsenfieber: my understanding is that the current algorithm behind ORES is incredibly outdated and hasn't been retrained in a long time. My hope is that modern advances in ML (specifically LLMs) will enable us to do this much more effectively. 0.1% is I think a good target for false positives on Wikidata. BrokenSegue (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    Most importantly, feature selection can certainly be improved a lot compared to ORES; and maybe we should not be scoring individual revisions, but aggregated activity (by user, page, or user+page) within a given timeframe instead. With atomic edits on Wikidata, individual revisions are often impossible to score without additional context. "Modern advances in ML" might possibly be helpful in so far as the tooling is likely better/easier to use today than it was a decade ago, and we possibly also have access to far better hardware for training. —MisterSynergy (talk) 15:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    Yeah one major change I'm making from ORES and the current WMF approach is that I'm scoring groups of sequential edits to a single page (instead of single edits since those aren't very meaningful on Wikidata). I'm not currently thinking about scoring on a per-person basis but I am thinking of incorporating user-specific features (e.g. how many times have you been reverted recently). My prototype model is already better than ORES but that's not saying that much. Also, it's unclear if we should measure the false positive rate based on "edits classified" or "groups of edits classified". The latter is significantly harder.
    But I don't see why a bot shouldn't be able to revert vandalism like this immediately. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    Honestly: For vandalism like this a LLM is completely unnecessary. It could be detected simply by property constraints. I think it'd definitely be good to have better tagging for likely-not-constructive edits. This tagging system should be properly evaluated before using it for automated decision making. -- Dr.üsenfieber (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    Oh I 100% agree. An LLM is total overkill. This project is partly for my own enjoyment. BrokenSegue (talk) 18:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I've been thinking about a related idea: Can we predict whether a recently-created object is going to be deleted? Bovlb (talk) 20:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
This does not require machine learning. Some sophisticated querying reveals plenty of candidates to keep you busy ;-) —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Tried rewriting the typical SPARQL query for this into an ElasticSearch query recently. Unfortunately ElasticSearch does not keep track of individual incoming links. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I had similar thoughts but the problem is that we can probably never automate deletion but automating rollback is definitely doable. I also think vandalism is a bigger problem than low quality items. In some sense non-notable people don't actually make wikidata less useful. And if the bottleneck for deletion is admin-volunteer time then...well automation doesn't help much. BrokenSegue (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
We already have automated rollback based on ORES and that will likely switch to the new WMF models once those are ready. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: we do? I've never seen this happen. Where? BrokenSegue (talk) 16:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I do vaguely remember that sometimes people complain here about such reverts. @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): can you say something about the status quo and your current plans regarding ORES? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
(Sorry - delayed reply because of vacation/travel)
@ChristianKl: I've been talking about this project with @BrokenSegue and I think it's worth giving it a try.
WRT ORES: WMF is right now in the process of migrating to Lift Wing. I am helping them where I can. The dev team is also adapting some of the xisting tools we have that rely on it like the Item Quality Evaluator. This will make the whole system more flexible, modern and extensible and also gives us a chance to retrain the model much more frequently. We are collecting training data in https://annotool.toolforge.org/ with the research and machine learning teams of the WMF. That is progressing quite well. Once we have a bit more training data they will retrain the new Lift Wing models so hopefully they will be better than what we have right now.
As for the automated reverts based on ORES judements: That might have been @Ladsgroup but not 100% sure.
Hope that helps. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 12:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
the bot is not working right perhaps because ORES is retired https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dexbot Baratiiman (talk) 07:20, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The bot is active, what are you talking about? Amir (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) My revertbot in fawiki uses some ORES scores as features but it's not really based on ores. It has its own model, separately trained. I don't recommend using ores for this wiki at all as it's quite old and haven't been trained for half a decade at this point. Amir (talk) 12:29, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm sure we had such a bot in the past when ORES was fairly new. But I cannot find it right now... --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 16:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
here are some examples of chatgpt solving some proposed scenarios. these aren't cherry picked they are literally the first things i tried. obviously if i did this for real I would fine-tune the model BrokenSegue (talk) 06:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
@Dr.üsenfieber: What do you mean with type II errors? Tagging a valid change as vandalism?--U. M. Owen (talk) 14:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors type II errors are false negatives. the opposite of what you said. type I errors are unacceptable in this scenario. type II are basically fine. BrokenSegue (talk) 19:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
i trust if this is anything like the closed source dex bot that is currently murdering fawiki you are better off Baratiiman (talk) 13:54, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Clarify "murdering." --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 16:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Baratiiman: yes I would like to hear more about this "dex bot" on fawiki BrokenSegue (talk) 18:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
@BrokenSegue: Special:CentralAuth/Baratiiman that would give you more context to this discussion. Amir (talk) 12:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Since you brought it up, the bot being free software (Q341) would - according to me - be a requirement for a bot that does automatic reverts. -- Dr.üsenfieber (talk) 19:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
@Dr.üsenfieber: where do you personally draw the line. would it be ok to use a paid service as part of the bot, for example the google translate API? assuming the source code of the bot itself were free? BrokenSegue (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Quick Presets (Software) uses German word for English user

When I visit Old Weather (Q7085394) with default language en-GB, I get a Quick Presets section with "Add Os: Linux ∙ Windows ∙ macOS ∙ Plattformunabhäng ∙ unixoid". Why do I get a German(?) term rather than cross-platform? Vicarage (talk) 09:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

QuickPresets is custom JavaScript and not something build. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Vicarage/quickpresetssettings.js is part of your but if you have something to add the OS in addition you are likely including other quickpresets as well. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 17:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Probably related to User:MichaelSchoenitzer/quickpresets.js then, which I started using for my presets. Ah-ha its hard-coded in User:MichaelSchoenitzer/quickpresets defaultconf.js. I will ask him Vicarage (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Q12718681 cannot be linked to dawiki:Storebæltsbroen

Problem: Article specifically about the bridge https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storeb%C3%A6ltsbroen cannot be linked to article in Danish language, because in Danish we only have the article about Storebæltsforbindelsen but with the bridge (Storebæltsbroen) as second lemma. It would be important if link would be functional from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storeb%C3%A6ltsbroen to https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storeb%C3%A6ltsforbindelsen to provide more information on the bridge when reading the German article.

I tried to merge the wikidata items somehow, but I'm too unexperienced I have to admit. Any suggestions how this could be done? Phi1free (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Phi1free: I've added the Danish redirect to Storebæltsbroen (Q12718681). Is this what you were looking for? — Huntster (t @ c) 19:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, exactly this was my intention. Indeed easier than messing up wikidata as I planned to :) Thank! Phi1free (talk) 19:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
No problem, feel free to reach out with any other questions. — Huntster (t @ c) 20:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Help:Basic membership properties

Greetings. I'd need some help in Q121960184 (and Q1647035) about applying Help:Basic membership properties, if I'm using correctly instance-of vs. subclass-of. I'd appreciate advice from a more experienced editor, please. Thanks! Fgnievinski (talk) 20:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Me interesa contratar un consultor para un proyecto con Wikidata

Me interesa buscar en Wikidata a las actrices y actores "famosos" que estan registrados y crear una base externa. Me pueden contactar inicialmente por correo luischinchillaA@gmail.com e indicarme sus servicios, luego establecer un canal más rapido de comunicacion y tener reunion virtual.

Gracias.

Luis Chinchilla A ConSnap (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Add link to enwiki redirect page

Hi, wondering if anyone can help. I created the redirect w:en:1989 Nobel Peace Prize on enwiki and I’m trying to link it to 1989 Nobel Peace Prize (Q10844039) on wikidata. However I’m getting an error when I try to add it. I’m also confused by the difference between “sitelink to redirect” and “intentional sitelink to redirect”. Any help appreciated. Thanks! (Full disclosure, I previously asked this question on IRC but didn’t get an answer, so I’m asking it here instead.) A smart kitten (talk) 23:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@A smart kitten: I've applied the link, though I've changed the en.wiki redirect to link to the list of laureates page instead. I'm not sure what error you may have been getting. Regarding badges, see Help:Badges; for this situation, you'd want to use "intentional sitelink to redirect". — Huntster (t @ c) 00:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
@Huntster Thanks for your help - regarding the redirect target, I’ve messaged you on your enwiki talk. Regarding the error, this is what I get/got:
Warning: You are trying to add/remove badges to this item. At local Wikipedias adding or removing badges are done by consensus. Saving this edit was blocked and should be done only by administrators or trusted users. If you think you are correct, please contact an administrator.
A smart kitten (talk) 01:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
@A smart kitten: I see, it's likely because you don't have many edits here. Nothing to worry about, then. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:50, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Reasonator

Is it working? It's 504 for me... Infovarius (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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