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Bovlb (talkcontribs)

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Many thanks for your message, but HOW TO MERGE BOTH WIKIDATA IN THE ACTUAL 22970792??

I have no idea. Please HELP! --Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 15:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

@Szczebrzeszynski: Sorry I didn't notice your response earlier, but you inadvertently placed it on my user page instead of here on user talk, so I didn't get any notification. You can merge following the instructions in Help:Merge. If you look, you'll see that I linked to that page in my original message to you.

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Westmanurbe (talkcontribs)

Hi Bovlb I'm Westmanurbe. First of all, thanks for your compliments, and for your welcome! The problem is that in some Wikis (like the one in Italian) there are templates which, as far as I understand, automatically repeat some claims in the Wiki data, regardless of whether they are reported with the deprecated rank. Cheers --~~~~

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the response. That's interesting and a little surprising. Project templates should never normally use deprecated claims. Can you give any more details? Thanks!

Westmanurbe (talkcontribs)

I removed a deceased site that was deprecated but still appeared to me in Italian Wikipedia. Unfortunately I don't remember which one, if not we could restore the claim and see better. Otherwise, the next time I find a similar site, I'll try to mark it as deprecated (by the way, how can I do it?) and I let you know. Cheers

Westmanurbe (talkcontribs)

As for instance, I've just marked the official site in Jenaveve Jolie (Q540565) as deprecated, but the claim still appears still appears in the related articles on the Italian Wiki (infobox and "Collegamenti esterni" section) and on the Spanish one (Infobox). I don't know if there is any bug...

Bovlb (talkcontribs)
Westmanurbe (talkcontribs)
Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Yes, the interface for changing rank is somewhat obscure, essentially impossible to find without the documentation.

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Tagishsimon (talkcontribs)
Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi! There is a little confusion here. Japanese idol (Q226008) is defined as a profession. In en:Japanese_idol, it's described as "a young starlet manufactured and marketed for image, attractiveness, and personality in Japanese pop culture". Hence this is a type of person, and not a type of group. When I first saw

, I initially took this to be a human where a profession had been incorrectly entered as P31. On investigating further, I found that Q51253856 is a group, so cannot be a type of person/profession. Cheers!

Tagishsimon (talkcontribs)

Band works for me :) Thanks.

JI is a profession: noted! All good.

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Moebeus (talkcontribs)
Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Thanks. Blocked for a year. I usually keep IP blocks short, but this user just seems to run and run.

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Liuxinyu970226 (talkcontribs)

In , you pointed out that this is "not wholly contained within United Kingdom. Use territory overlaps (P3179)", then I added territory overlaps (P3179)  United Kingdom (Q145) instead.

But today I've got an e-mail, the sender of the e-mail asked me that this usage is indeed improper, as it trigged a warning that "Entities using the territory overlaps (P3179) property should be instances of geographic region (Q82794) or fictional location (Q3895768) (or of a subclass of them), but international E-road network (Q106123) currently isn't."

Now, to avoid unnecessary edit wars:

  1. Should you cancel your previous undo reason, and let me feel free to re-add country (P17)  United Kingdom (Q145)? Or
  2. Should the type constraint (Q21503250) of territory overlaps (P3179) be cancelled, so that this warning will no longer rendered? Or
  3. Do you have a proper subitem of geographic region (Q82794) or fictional location (Q3895768) that is suitable for international E-road network (Q106123)? (talkcontribs)
Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Hi! Sorry to take so long to respond. I'm having a hectic week in real life.

As I understand it, country (P17) should only be used in cases where that country is the sovereign country for the item. In the case of a road that travels through multiple countries, those countries may be sovereign for parts of the road, but none of them are for the road as a whole. Similarly with located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), an international road is not located in either of the countries it spans.

This leaves us with territory overlaps (P3179) and partially coincident with (P1382). There seems to be a little confusion as to when each of these should be used. The latter actually gives a road as an example usage, but specifically to indicate that part of one road is coincident with (part of) another road. I therefore conclude that P3179 is the better choice here.

Regarding the specific problem you raise: roads and road systems are generally subcollections of geographic entity (Q27096213), but not geographic region (Q82794). There's nothing in the property proposal for P3179 that suggests it be restricted to regions, but such a constraint was added, and the use of "territory" in the name also suggests that. I note that P3179 has gained some shouty Wikidata usage instructions (P2559) in the last week.

So, if we are tightening the sense of P3179 so that it cannot be used on roads and road networks, then there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory property to use to associate it with the countries that contain parts of it, which seems a shame.

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JosepNavarroSauleda (talkcontribs)

Buenas tardes,

Me interesaría volcar buena parte de la información fiscal de nuestra web. Es un contenido serio y bien trabajado. De las múltiples secciones, la que me propongo compartir es la que hace referencia al IRPF. Actualmente está en nuestro servidor ( dicho servidor es de una empresa con ánimo de Lucro, es decir meramente comercial ).

Sin embargo, la información de los blogs son de acceso gratuito. Bien, mi pregunta, es si puedo volcar ese contenido, y de que manera; considerando que la fuente es una web de carácter comercial.

Un Saludo y gracias

Josep navarro

PD: Dejo el enlace de la sección del blog.

Reply to "Duda sobre web Española" (talkcontribs)

Hello, Bovlb. The reason why I have been removing information for Spanish organizations from Wikidata is that information was wrong. I have fixed it in the wikipedia's web page.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the response. In the cases I checked, there did seem to be a valid and relevant website at the URL you removed, but perhaps I am missing something because my Spanish is weak.

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Dbfyinginfo (talkcontribs)

Hi, sorry for adding superfluous information/communication on your talk page. I just wanted to add that I had a past interest in Cyc when I was very interested in Artificial Intelligence(I read about it a lot many many years ago, in an intensive way). Nowadays I'm not 'that crazy' about it(AI in general) and this interest has mostly died out though my main interest in wikidata stems from a Ted Talk I watched where Tim-Berners Lee talked about linked data called "Tim Berners-Lee: The next web", sometimes that leads to further editing, but I'm mostly new so who knows if this 'behavior' will continue or not. The querying service is amazing, I'm not really "programming minded"(if that can be defined, or at best I'm a "slow markup programmer") but sometimes I watch tutorials by Wikimedia people how to use the query service and for basic stuff I can do most of the queries that I need(when I talk to people/friends/family members regarding what they are interested in). wikidata is finally something that I'm good at cause I'm good at details. Details usually catch my eye which is why I never felt I had a really good time on Wikipedia where 'seeing the whole picture' is important. Thanks again for helping me with the stepping stones to a dark theme :) this window is dark-on-light but I have all the time to dedicate to perfect it so it works the way I want ~~~~

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

I'm happy I could help, and your communication is not superfluous. As chance would have it, someone just asked me to present a talk on Cyc. Maybe I will share it when I am done.

I'm glad that you're finding useful tutorials on the Wikidata query service as I was also planning to prepare a talk on that as well. Perhaps you can help me. What questions do you have that the existing tutorials don't answer (well)?

Your question inspired me to try out dark mode myself. I do too much reading at night when my eyes are tired, and I am supposed to be falling asleep.

Dbfyinginfo (talkcontribs)

Whenever I want to review my skills in getting better at querying wikidata I check the video at which is called "Querying Wikidata with SPARQL for Absolute Beginners" which is also available on, what I assume is, the official Wikimedia Foundation YouTube channel. The length of the video is roughly 1 hour and 51 minutes.

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