User talk:Wolverène

Deletion of Q107814680

Hi, I see you deleted Q107814680 for not meeting the notability policy, but it's used in Promises (Q111533973), The Constitution State (Q118395016) and The Journey (Q118395165). As I understand the notability policy, that would mean that either Q107814680 would meet the point 3 of the policy (required for the structural need of a notable entity) and should be restored or neither of the other three entities are notable and should be deleted. -- Agabi10 (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for pointing. I have restored the page because it meets the criterion 3. Seems that I did it because some item(s) related to James Naleski were deleted previously so I treated it as a recreation of non-notable content. I should have checked this better. I do not make such mistakes too often. :)

The films are appearing to be notable, at least judging by the number of awards listed on IMDb (not extremely reliable source but still). --Wolverène (talk) 21:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Swedes in Russia

Hello. There is a difference between "Swedes in Russia" and "Russians of Swedish origin" which may live around the world (not only in Russia) as they can live outside Russia for example in Belarus. Summarising, this item is simply just for "Swedes in Russia". I mean it's subclass for "Swedes" same as "Swedes in Denmark", "Swedes in Poland" or even "Swedes in Sweden" are. They are not Russians. For Russians there should be item Russians in Russia. Eurohunter (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: Hello.
Talking about Swedes living in Russia we literally mean any of the following concepts: 1) Swedish citizens living in Russia without the second Russian citizenship; 2) ethnic Swedes living in Russia and privileged by the local citizenship and not by the Swedish; 3) ethnic Swedes who live in Russia and do not have either Swedish or Russian passport.
In this case, only two criteria are important -- the individuals have to live in Russia for a noticeable life-time, and should claim the Swedish heritage.

On people we call Russians. Most of the European languages do not differ Russians same way that the Russian speakers usually do (and as we are doing here in Wikidata). Russians are either (i) an East Slavic ethnic group (Russkiye/Q49542), or (ii) people in/of Russia regardless of the ethnicity (Rossiyane/Q492468). Also there is (iii) the Russian diaspora, but in the case of Russia's Swedes we can ignore them.
So, Swedes in/of Russia are not ethnic Russians, obviously, but many of them are Russians by citizenship. That is why Q112605450 are a part of both Q165192 (ethnic Swedes) and Q492468 (Rossiyane / Russians regardless of the ethnicity). Statistically speaking, 70-80% of Russians (Rossiyane) are Russkiye (whom you called Russians in Russia), the rest are other ~120 native minorities + diasporas.

"Swedes in Russia" are Rossiyane (unless they do not have the dark crimson passport with the two-headed eagle on it), "Russians of Swedish origin" are in fact, Rossiyane too (no matter which ethnic identity some of them claim). The Russians/Rossiyane of Swedish origin who relocated to other countries are seen (in practice) as Russians in a common way, regardless of ethnic roots, although of course, there are may be exceptions.

It works similar with the other countries, like Swedes in Poland should not be called ethnic Poles, but they may be called Poles by the people outside of Poland because we are not always obligated to differ people by ethnic heritage.

I am sorry if my explanation is too wordy or inappropriate, I am just afraid to be misunderstood in some details. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 05:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)