User talk:Wolverène

Deletion of Q107814680

Hi, I see you deleted Q107814680 for not meeting the notability policy, but it's used in Promises (Q111533973), The Constitution State (Q118395016) and The Journey (Q118395165). As I understand the notability policy, that would mean that either Q107814680 would meet the point 3 of the policy (required for the structural need of a notable entity) and should be restored or neither of the other three entities are notable and should be deleted. -- Agabi10 (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for pointing. I have restored the page because it meets the criterion 3. Seems that I did it because some item(s) related to James Naleski were deleted previously so I treated it as a recreation of non-notable content. I should have checked this better. I do not make such mistakes too often. :)

The films are appearing to be notable, at least judging by the number of awards listed on IMDb (not extremely reliable source but still). --Wolverène (talk) 21:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Swedes in Russia

Hello. There is a difference between "Swedes in Russia" and "Russians of Swedish origin" which may live around the world (not only in Russia) as they can live outside Russia for example in Belarus. Summarising, this item is simply just for "Swedes in Russia". I mean it's subclass for "Swedes" same as "Swedes in Denmark", "Swedes in Poland" or even "Swedes in Sweden" are. They are not Russians. For Russians there should be item Russians in Russia. Eurohunter (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: Hello.
Talking about Swedes living in Russia we literally mean any of the following concepts: 1) Swedish citizens living in Russia without the second Russian citizenship; 2) ethnic Swedes living in Russia and privileged by the local citizenship and not by the Swedish; 3) ethnic Swedes who live in Russia and do not have either Swedish or Russian passport.
In this case, only two criteria are important -- the individuals have to live in Russia for a noticeable life-time, and should claim the Swedish heritage.

On people we call Russians. Most of the European languages do not differ Russians same way that the Russian speakers usually do (and as we are doing here in Wikidata). Russians are either (i) an East Slavic ethnic group (Russkiye/Q49542), or (ii) people in/of Russia regardless of the ethnicity (Rossiyane/Q492468). Also there is (iii) the Russian diaspora, but in the case of Russia's Swedes we can ignore them.
So, Swedes in/of Russia are not ethnic Russians, obviously, but many of them are Russians by citizenship. That is why Q112605450 are a part of both Q165192 (ethnic Swedes) and Q492468 (Rossiyane / Russians regardless of the ethnicity). Statistically speaking, 70-80% of Russians (Rossiyane) are Russkiye (whom you called Russians in Russia), the rest are other ~120 native minorities + diasporas.

"Swedes in Russia" are Rossiyane (unless they do not have the dark crimson passport with the two-headed eagle on it), "Russians of Swedish origin" are in fact, Rossiyane too (no matter which ethnic identity some of them claim). The Russians/Rossiyane of Swedish origin who relocated to other countries are seen (in practice) as Russians in a common way, regardless of ethnic roots, although of course, there are may be exceptions.

It works similar with the other countries, like Swedes in Poland should not be called ethnic Poles, but they may be called Poles by the people outside of Poland because we are not always obligated to differ people by ethnic heritage.

I am sorry if my explanation is too wordy or inappropriate, I am just afraid to be misunderstood in some details. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 05:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Cancelling a discussion

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment.[1] And I disagree, so I removed that.[2] There is no reason for rollback.[3] I have reported a misconduct, but this reaction makes it seem that admins are protected by other admins. 2A00:20:3047:C6BC:58DC:C39B:8829:8C 21:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Section resolved}} was included in the reply so I reacted like that on the reply removal. I might have a 'false alarm', but the template also says 'to replace this template with your comment'. I have done it instead of you. :)
By the way, would not it be really better to continue the discussion on the Madamebiblio's user talkpage? I know that admin and I am sure she assumes a good-faith and is ready for discussion so it is too strong to blame her in an edit-warring. As I see you are not ignored on the user talkpage. --Wolverène (talk) 04:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Request for review – Q135228946 (1st.Partners), revised version with formal sources

Hello Wolverène,

I'm writing following WikiBayer’s recommendation regarding item Q135228946 (1st.Partners), which was deleted as a recreation of Q134955263.

I understand the concerns about promotional content. The first version (Q134955263) may indeed have crossed that line — I acknowledge that and respect the decision.

However, the second version was significantly reworked: no marketing language, focus on neutral structure, and inclusion of multiple independent identifiers and sources — Crunchbase, Product Hunt, WikiExpo, ORCID, Zenodo, and GitHub.

We understand not every source may be sufficient on its own, but our aim was to present a clearly structured, verifiable entity aligned with Wikidata’s standards — not for advertising, but to support open-data and AI integration.

Additionally, the brand name “1st.Partners” is an officially registered trademark under WIPO/EUIPO (Registration No. 019139775, valid until 2035): https://branddb.wipo.int/en/similarname/brand/EM500000019139775 We include this only to document the entity's legal standing — not as a promotional claim.

I’ve followed the process step by step: Trust & Safety referral → WikiBayer reply → and now writing to you as recommended.

Would you be open to reviewing the case, or advising whether such a neutral entity could be adapted to meet Wikidata’s notability criteria?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best regards, Denis Hoberg CEO, 1st.Partners 🌐 [4](https://1st.partners) 1stTeam (talk) 06:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. I have just responded to you on the WikiBayer's talkpage as he notified me about the issue. Copying that here:

Mr Hogberg, have your company been described by serious sources, could you show us some examples please? Serious sources mean here, at least -- not user-made pages, not social media profiles, not obviously paid articles or promotional material. None of the links listed here by you look serious. WikiExpo looks like an event with a low barrier to entry -- sorry, my vision about it, is not necessary correct -- but even if we regard this participation as a prove of notability, it does not seem like your WikiExpo participation was described in any way.
There is nothing wrong with you and your company. But the Wikidata policy just says, if an entry is not notable it will be deleted. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 06:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

It is difficult for me to add here anything else. Even on what you have mentioned now, the source branddb is just a database that shows that your company exists for the EU register of companies, or something. But it is still not enough... Kind regards, --Wolverène (talk) 06:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification.

We understand the notability criteria and the level of source quality required by Wikidata.

At this point, we’ll step back and return in a few months, once we have third-party coverage published in independent.

We’re currently working on securing such publications through industry analysis, interviews, and organic mentions in outlets like iGamingBusiness, Gambling Insider, and others.

We appreciate your fair and constructive feedback, and we’ll revisit the entry once the documentation meets the necessary standards.

Kind regards,

— Denis Hoberg 1stTeam (talk) 07:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Report anonymous user 80.74.107.118

Hello, I would like to report anonymous user 80.74.107.118 because this user has committed acts of vandalism on the following page. proof and proof

Regards, Will WG (talk) 14:57, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I have blocked the IP range. I advice you to contact the WD:AN next time because I may work on requests out of time, like now... I am not that fast. :) Anyway it is done. --Wolverène (talk) 01:54, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Okay i understand, thanks:D

Will WG (talk) 04:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Sheikh Najmul Hossain

Q135894766 looks like a recreation of Q135855799, which you deleted as "Recreation of earlier deleted item", but I can't seem to find the earlier item. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 15:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Oh, apologies. No, I have never seen this name before, especially the middle name Najmul does not remind me of anything... This is an incorrect reason that I chose, so I am going to remove it.
However, I still would not like to restore the item since the notability was not shown there. If Cayson Bridger or Leandro Enrique would kindly provide me the evidence of notability for Q135894766 (which is currently not proven too, alas), Q135855799 will be restored and both items will be merged.

Also I just want you to say, I know about your tool providing the search for the deleted items, and I used it sometimes. Thank you for this one. --Wolverène (talk) 16:42, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

German description on Wikidata

Saw your answer here only today; too late? I wrote my wish for correction HERE. If you could help, I will be forever grateful ;-) - Greetings, EinBeitrag (talk) 08:18, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Okay, done. --Wolverène (talk) 08:27, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Request for undeletion of Q136175161

Hello,

I noticed that the item Q136175161 was recently deleted as a recreation of an earlier deleted entry. However, I believe the subject does meet Wikidata's notability criteria and may have been deleted prematurely.

The person in question is an Indian entrepreneur, author, and music producer (born 2000) with verifiable identifiers across reliable databases:

• Author: Published book with ISBN, listed on WorldCat (global library catalog).
• Music: Verified artist profile on Spotify, and also listed on MusicBrainz.

These identifiers (ISBN, WorldCat, MusicBrainz, IMDb, Spotify) are normally sufficient for establishing notability on Wikidata.

I request the administrators to kindly review these references and consider restoring the item, as the subject appears to satisfy Wikidata’s criteria for inclusion (WD:N).

Thank you for your time and consideration. 49.36.83.243 05:31, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello. WorldCat, MusicBrainz, IMDb, and Spotify identifiers do not imply notability. ISBN only shows that books by an author have identifiers given by a publishing house so ISBN is most probably not enough to prove the notability. The subject/person should be described with serious and publicly available sources (WD:N criterion 2, if criteria 1 & 3 do not fit your case). Catalogues are not enough serious contrary to news websites, journals, thematic websites run by professionals (not blogs)... Please show me more links which could meet WD:N criterion 2. --Wolverène (talk) 05:51, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

See also our(?) previous discussion: User talk:Wolverène/2023—2024#Chiman Maru (archived). --Wolverène (talk) 05:53, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I understand the concerns regarding the notability of Q136175161. However, I would like to point out that several other Wikidata entities exist solely with references such as IMDb, VIAF, and ISNI identifiers, and they have been accepted without requiring additional secondary sources.

For example, in a previous discussion regarding Q107814680, the deletion was questioned because the entity was used in other items (Promises Q111533973, The Constitution State Q118395016, and The Journey Q118395165). Eventually, the page was restored based on criterion 3, even though the films were primarily referenced on IMDb.

This shows that entities with reliable identifier references, such as IMDb, VIAF, or ISNI, can be considered notable enough for inclusion, especially when secondary sources might be limited.

Kindly consider reviewing Q136175161 under the same reasoning.

Thank you for your time. 49.36.83.243 06:03, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Q107814680, Q111533973, Q118395016, and Q118395165 are looking somewhat ambiguous. Q107814680 may be considered notable as an award-winning producer, and IMDb is listing the awards he received, that is why IMDb was accepted there as reference -- reluctantly, I guess. IMDb is still a marginal thing because it is user-edited just like Wikipedia or Wikidata, so everyone can add there an unprecise data and it is unclear if it will be properly checked. Does Mr Chiman Maru have any significant awards, like it is claimed for James Naleski? What's for another three, they do not look notable on first sight, but as IMDb stated that each of these films received awards they may notable -- somebody just need to recheck the data from IMDb in order to replace it with something more serious later on.

Then again, if Mr Chiman Maru has awards, nominations, honorary diplomas, or something, and this can at least in theory be proved with serious sources, I could think about restoring.

And in general, as I said above, any sources except blogs, generic databases or user-edited websites may be beneficial.

(Finally, VIAF and ISNI identifiers are still not implying Wikidata notability. See 'instance of' statements here and here. To be fair, not so long ago they used to be considered implying...) --Wolverène (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Dear Wolverène,

Thank you very much for reviewing the entry on Q107814680 (Chiman Maru). I deeply appreciate your guidance regarding the need for strong, reliable sources beyond IMDb or other user-edited platforms.

To strengthen the case for Mr. Chiman Maru’s notability, I would like to submit the following additional sources, which (I believe) meet higher editorial standards:

1. TV Guide biography - provides a professional profile of Chiman Maru. While accessible, this appears more editorial than purely user-generated. TVGuide.com
2. IssueWire press release (“Chiman Maru Launches FynoX Inc. to Revolutionize IT Solutions in India”) - covers his entrepreneurial initiative in launching FynoX Inc. in December 2024, including statements attributed directly to him. Issuewire
3. YourStory startup listing - features SaurashtraIVR Solutions, listing Chiman Maru as Founder and CEO, with details on company focus and founding year (2023). YourStory is widely recognized in Indian startup media. YourStory.com
4. Personal official site (chimanmaru.com) - outlines his professional roles, recent projects, and work experience, offering an authoritative reference point. Chiman Maru

I understand user-edited or self-published sources are often disfavored. However, I hope these sources can be considered more authoritative and verifiable than IMDb or generic databases. Could they potentially satisfy the requirement for "serious" sources to support a restoration of the item?

I welcome any suggestion on additional sources that would further strengthen the entry—such as coverage in mainstream media, independent news outlets, reputed industry publications, or festival acknowledgments.

Thank you again for your time and consideration. 49.36.83.243 12:17, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Your kind ping

Hello there. Thank you for your ping (Special:Diff/2397101336). Unfortunately, I only just noticed it, much too late, to infer from Wikidata:Requests for deletions/Archive/2025/08/31#Q135840197. It's hard to work out what that item was for, given how little context is left, but my best guess is that it was for the journalist Megan Hâf Donoher. Can you confirm that that's what it was, please? 0DF (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello. No, the item was for Jonathan Fink, a British SEO specialist and podcast host. The alias was Silicon Curtain -- the name of his/their channel, I guess. The item was lacking of references (WD:N criterion 2). As the deletion is obviously not a irreversible thing, you still can help me to see if the person and their YT channel are notable. :) Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thank you. OK, I'll look for references and get back to you. 0DF (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

The Embassy of Ukraine in Tallinn (Q5369909) drew attention to Fink's interview with Maksym Kononenko (Q114245016) on its website. Euromaidan Press (Q60785659) listed Silicon Curtain as one of its Top 10 YouTube channels and podcasts for insights into Russia’s war in Ukraine; however, given that that article was written by Fink himself, it probably shouldn't count. Jason Jay Smart (Q87060561) has twice interviewed Fink for the Kyiv Post (Q1795015) (in February and May this year). The Kyiv Post (Q1795015) also listed Silicon Curtain in A Top-10 of Pro-Ukraine YouTube Warriors to Guide You Through 2024, which was written by Tony Leliw (Q136319516). Is that the sort of thing you were looking for? 0DF (talk) 21:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, the sources look nice. I am going to restore the page. Please never forget to add references (at least, they are useful to confirm that the data are verified). --Wolverène (talk) 04:37, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. No indeed! Sorry for the mistake, which I shall endeavour not to repeat.

BTW, I found the deleted item for Megan Hâf Donoher (viz Q131939291), which is discussed at Wikidata:Requests for deletions/Archive/2025/08/31#Bulk deletion request regarding Megan Hâf Donoher. She has her author profile with the Wrexham Leader at https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/author/profile/320737.Megan_Haf_Donoher/ which is replicated in The Chester Standard, The Denbighshire Free Press, Western Telegraph, and Wales Farmer. She has a Journo Portfolio page, though that may be self-written, and it looks like her fiancé is called Matthew Paul Jones, whoever that is. Does this establish notability, or does it fall short? I appreciate that she has a far lower profile than does Jonathan Fink. 0DF (talk) 13:22, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello again @0DF:, apologies for not responding too lately. I am afraid that judging by the links you have provided, Megan Hâf Donoher does not look enough notable for Wikidata, for now. Self-published pages and profiles are normally not acceptable to confirm notability. Regards, --Wolverène (talk) 22:17, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that seems fair enough. Thank you for your guidance. 0DF (talk) 23:47, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Request for undeletion: Q130301995

Hello @Wolverène,

I hope you are doing well. I am writing to kindly request the undeletion of item Q130301995 which was previously deleted with the reason "Author request."

At the time of deletion, the item was almost empty, and I had not yet understood how to add reliable references and claims to establish notability. I now have gathered multiple reliable, third-party sources that clearly demonstrate that the subject (Saeed Souzangar) meets Wikidata's notability criteria (N2: significant coverage in independent, reliable sources; and N3: structural need).

Here is the evidence of notability:

• **Independent coverage in major media outlets**

 * Reuters – “The internet is dead in Iran: Protests targeted by shutdown” — mentions Saeed Souzangar, who runs a technology company in Tehran. https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/feature-the-internet-is-dead-in-iran-protests-targeted-by-shutdown-idUSL8N2ZM0AS/  
 * Reuters – “Iran steps up internet crackdown one year after Mahsa Amini death” — quotes Saeed Souzangar about how he is struggling in Tehran-based tech operations. https://www.reuters.com/article/business/media-telecom/feature-iran-steps-up-internet-crackdown-one-year-after-mahsa-amini-death-idUSL8N3AJ203/  
 * Reuters – “Twitter sleuths and disaster mappers look for a backup plan” — identifies Saeed Souzangar as chief executive of a technology firm in Tehran. https://www.reuters.com/article/tech-disaster/twitter-idUSL8N32D0DC/  
 * Washington Post – “How a viral song became the unofficial anthem of Iran’s protests” — quotes Saeed Souzangar commentating on social and digital rights matters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/04/iran-protests-song-shervin-hajipour-arrested/  
 * **Wall Street Journal – “Iranian Protesters Struggle to Activate Elon Musk's Starlink”** — explicitly quotes Saeed Souzangar regarding efforts to circumvent internet restrictions. https://www.wsj.com/articles/iranian-protesters-struggle-to-activate-starlink-and-circumvent-internet-restrictions-11664798819  

• **Professional background and structural need**

 * Founder of a SaaS video platform providing end-to-end OTT video solutions  
 * Host of cybersecurity and technology panels and podcasts  
 * Educator with long-standing contributions in networking and security training  
 * Active public figure in digital rights and internet freedom campaigns in Iran  

I am now ready to properly populate the item with:

• **Statements** such as "occupation (P106)" → network security instructor, entrepreneur, podcaster, digital rights activist
• **References** linking to the above-mentioned sources
• **External identifiers** where applicable (official website, interviews, media coverage)

Given the above evidence, I respectfully request that Q130301995 be undeleted so I can restore the item with proper claims and references in compliance with Wikidata’s notability policy.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Souzangar (talk) 04:26, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello. If I understood that request of deletion correctly (it said - اطلاعات شخصی را برای شخص غیر سرشناس به اشتباه وارد کردم) the item was created by a user (namely @M4tinbeigi) who claimed that they created the item in error and they are not a subject of the item. Just saying.
The criterion 3 ("structural need") has nothing to do with any sort of professional background, it estimates if there is a relevant connection from other items (e.g./roughly speaking, Q513 is notable per criterion 3 as it is linked from Q2). Wikidata is not a database of professionals... you would better use Crunchbase or something like this instead of Wikidata, as that one fits better if your final goal is being more visible in Internet as a professional.
However, I admit that the item may meet the criterion 2 ("presence of reliable sources") thanks to the links you have provided here -- those are just short mentions but WD:N does not require a detailed coverage in sources, so the links may be O.K.
I recommend you to start/duplicate the request for undeletion at Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard. I would like to be sure that another admins are also agree that the subject of Q130301995 is notable. I will not mind if the item will be restored but I am just not sure I am going to restore it right now, I still have a little doubt. Best regards, --Wolverène (talk) 22:08, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, yes, I will definitely do that. Souzangar (talk) 12:05, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi Wolverene

I wrote some independent and credible evidence to restore it on the admin page but I haven't received a response for a few days. Should I wait or open a new thread?

The thread link is:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_for_undeletion:_Q130301995

Thank you for guiding me. @Wolverène Souzangar (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

please restore Q136368631

It was not spam or advertising. ValleyBike is the Pioneer Valley equivalent of Bluebikes in Boston which has a page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3142157 Josh8258 (talk) 01:46, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Q3142157 is notable, please read WD:N. At least, it has the sitelinks in Wikipedia (criterion 1).
I was not sure that the subject of Q136368631 meets any of the listed notability criteria, so it seemed to me that the item containing almost nothing but a company name and links to the official website and Instagram account is most probably spam. If I was wrong please show me the compliance with WD:N criteria, at least with the criterion 2 (... described using serious and publicly available references). Thanks. --Wolverène (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Here are some local government websites describing ValleyBike:

https://www.amherstma.gov/3633/ValleyBike

https://www.northamptonma.gov/1599/ValleyBike

https://easthamptonma.gov/734/Valley-Bike

And here are some news sites describing ValleyBike:

https://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news/hampshire-county/valleybike-share-rolls-out-new-e-bikes-at-umass-amherst/

https://www.masslive.com/westfieldnews/2025/09/valleybike-share-celebrates-launch-of-e-bike-stations-in-westfield.html

https://gazettenet.com/2025/04/10/valley-bike-receives-nearly-1-million-grant-adds-westfield-60561731/

https://mass.streetsblog.org/2025/04/10/valleybike-system-wins-1-million-clean-transportation-grant

I understand why you thought it was spam, I can try adding more information to the page if it gets restored.

Thanks Josh8258 (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

I am satisfied with the links you provided, except especially for mass.streetsblog.org as we do not consider blogs serious references (usually / in most of the cases). I will restore the item, and most of the sources here will be added.
I recommend you to keep on improving the item. Thanks. --Wolverène (talk) 22:06, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Request to remove my IP Address from edit

Dear Wolverène,

I was logged in on Wikipedia but was unaware that I was not logged in on Wikidata and therefore my IP address was exposed here. Could you please help remove/hide my IP address from that edit? --Philip J (talk) 11:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done. Hopefully there's no more problem. --Wolverène (talk) 11:19, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I will definitely be more careful next time to ensure I am logged in before saving any edits. --Philip J (talk) 04:36, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Lak Wikipedia

Ответьте, пожалуйста, на сообщения на вашей стене. Таёжный лес (talk) 14:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Да, извините, у меня что-то с отображением уведомлений, если я редактирую не с компьютера... --Wolverène (talk) 19:19, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Можете также прокомментировать мою номинацию на lbe:Википедия:Форум? Таёжный лес (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

И обработать запросы на lbe:Категория:Запросы_на_удаление. Таёжный лес (talk) 20:34, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Есть. --Wolverène (talk) 09:36, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Спасибо! Прошу извинить за быстроту, но «райские кущи» снова надобно очистить. Таёжный лес (talk) 19:21, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Я застопорился на одном моменте. --Wolverène (talk) 05:38, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Что насчёт «Ас-Салама» — справедливо, но эти вырезки почти ни в одной статье не образуют ни определения, ни толковой структуры; возможно, оставить их было бы и вправду хорошим решением (и даже восстановить некоторые из удалённых) — например, текста со старого сайта «Илчи» я даже не стал помечать, так как они, видимо недоступны даже в вебархиве. Вырезки из «Лакку Дунияла» же, я считаю, не подходят из-за своей структуры, т. к. это учебник, и многие текста и предложения там являются примитивизированными учебными примерами.

Что насчёт закрытия проекта — не соглашусь. В проекте выстроена инфраструктура (карточки, некоторые навбоксы, шаблоны для проставки источников; недавно совершенно случайно отрыл «розеттский камень», предназначающийся для интеграции с ВД, но, видимо, не работающий, на основе которого зато можно выстроить адекватное древо категорий; полностью переведённыq интерфейс), есть достаточно толковых статей от носителей, особенно уникальных (эвакуированные со старого сайта Илчи биографии, возможная будущая статья про Магада Алиева: см. мой ответ в обсуждении заявки на ХС). В конце-концов, мне было бы стыдно за такое перед всем лакским народом (а я уже однажды оступился, очистив кри-вики от мусорного контента и выставив его на закрытие, что привело к беспрецедентному итогу — удалению всех, даже качественных статей) — в той же ру-ВП статья про Махачева находится на верхних строчках топа посещаемости в этом месяце.

То, что большую часть проекта составляет мусор (бесчисленные статьи про буквы, числа, виды животных и плоды и растений, недостабы про лакские селения в нескольких экземплярах на село) и копипаста — большая проблема, на которую почему-то не обращал внимания никто, кроме автора последней заявки на закрытие в Лангком. При его вычистке совершенно точно останется штук 400-500 страниц с адекватным содержимым, причём качество раздела будет гораздо выше, чем во многих других соразмерных проектах.

Можете пока что удалить как минимум lbe:Лакрал кӀану с содержимым, скопированным из учебника? Это нужно для пtремещения на это название и последующей переработки страницы lbe:Лакрал щархъурду. Таёжный лес (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Оказывается, и с биографиями не всё так гладко — те из них, что были загружены Kmoksy в 2010-2011 годах были скопированы с ныне закрытого форума k1urh.ru, где и, собственно, зародилась сама лакВП (напр. lbe:Ххалла [перевод] — тема на форуме) и являются по сути своей компиляциями баек. Таёжный лес (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

• Как я вижу, обсуждение о закрытии лакской Википедии было свёрнуто 27 ноября, проект оставлен. Так как я об этом не знал на момент написания сообщения, фразу "я стану скептиком существования раздела" можно считать написанной в отчаянии, и как выяснилось, зря я так. Конечно, раз Языковой комитет дал разделу ещё один шанс, то надо им воспользоваться.
  По поводу мусорных статей — такое считалось вполне приемлемым лет 15 назад, когда и был, в частности, активен Kmoksy. Была логика: "редакторы из числа носителей увидят короткую статью и у них появится соблазн дописать что-то ещё". Как выяснилось, это так не работало почти ни в каком разделе, потенциальные редакторы не приходили, читателям тем более не нужны были статьи типа "Сосна это дерево", они крутили пальцем у виска и уходили читать крупные Википедии. Зато спамеры такие разделы обожали. Статьи о числах сейчас продолжаю удалять, потому что они не информативны. Статьи о лакских сёлах -- спорный момент, их удалять жалко. Статьи о буквах в среднем из четырёх слов малоинформативны; даже со словарём я в лучшем случае выдам фразу "А - 1-я буква русского алфавита, 1-я буква лакского алфавита", это всё равно очень тривиально. Отправить эти творения туда же, куда статьи о числах? Статьи о животных и растениях я бы оставил только в том случае, если в преамбуле они определяются не просто как "животные" или "растения", а хоть немного конкретнее.
  Лакские названия для животных и растений Kmoksy поди тоже брал с каких-то форумов?.. --Wolverène (talk) 19:42, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Лакскую Википедию пощадили (как я понял из списка рассылки Языкового комитета) лишь из-за того, что мы с вами проявляли там активность последние два-три года — в ином случае внимательный стюард всю эту шайку-лейку разогнал бы без особых церемоний.

  Да, я видел много, невероятно много, тысячи экземпляров-результатов этой политики (более того, работа с таким «наследием» — мой основной вклад в проекты Викимедиа, из-за чего я и пришёл на лакскую Вики).

  Против статей о сёлах ничего абсолютно не имею (не считая страниц о заброшенных поселениях, но проблема легко решима вставкой одного слова из словаря). Сейчас это, как видно по 20-летней диахронике, основная «точка притяжения» для носителей. Статьи о буквах — да, было бы замечательно.

  Содержимое подлкатегорий lbe:Категория:Биология — абсолютный мусор. В том случае, если названия естьв лакских словарях, они брались оттуда. В других статьях непонятно, откуда берётся термин: похожие названия видны в португальской и голландской интервиках (???). Я бы удалил и содержимое lbe:Категория:Анатомия, случаи типа «Кьакьари-1» это вообще нонсенс: я думал, такое давно вымерло.

  В последние дни я привёл несколько заготовок на общие темы (lbe:ТтаркӀ, lbe:Жаннакъатта, lbe:Музыка, lbe:Энциклопедия) от носителей языка в более-менее аккуратный вид — убрал выводящие мусор карточки, вставил список краткий список литературы так, чтобы всё это было хорошо скомпоновано визуально (по крайней мере, в стоящем на lbe.wp Векторе-22), подобно тому, как делают на чувашской Вики. Таёжный лес (talk) 21:12, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Всё понял. Пока закончу удаление статей о числах. --Wolverène (talk) 05:08, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

• Форумные байки из статей Kmoksy я бы точно убрал, и оставил бы пока только "микроопределения", а там видно будет. Потому что, как и с лакскими сёлами, банально жалко удалять статьи о лакской культуре, а Ххалла, видимо, была реальной личностью, которую хотелось бы хоть как-то увековечить в Википедии. Вообще, статьи Kmoksy надо теперь проверять досконально все. Спасибо ему, конечно, за поддержание активности (и упокой Аллах его душу -- он умер в прошлом году), но как я уже сказал, массовое создание статей посредственного качества могло как-то в теории работать, когда Википедия была на пике своей популярности (и то не работало), сейчас приоритеты должны быть другие. --Wolverène (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Да, статьи про лакцев от Kmoksy не хотелось бы удалять (да и текста там довольно-таки энциклопедические в основном), подлинник той же Булбул Омариевой недоступен даже в вебархиве. Я их сгрузил в категорию на заполнение ВД (кроме упомянутой Булбул и Щазы Курклинской).

  Определённо нужно высматривать весь вклад, царствие ему небесное от и до. Не понимаю, почему никто до этого (кроме номинатора проекта на удаление) не обращал на это должного внимания, он даже был доброй памятью упомянут в пресс-релизе 15-летия раздела. Насчёт создания статей тоже согласен, деятельность в этом направлении я и веду последние годы. Таёжный лес (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

• Статью "Чак", на которую я указывал, укоротил до минимума. Если статьи являются копиями с "Ас-Салама", то решения буду принимать по каждой статье в отдельности. Попробую смотреть со словарём, насколько их содержание в теории энциклопедично (в сети в более-менее вменяемом виде находится только школьный словарь Гаджиева). Остальные перекопированные страницы удаляю. --Wolverène (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Спасибо огромное! Таёжный лес (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Недавно подумал, что названия всех статей о разделах Википедии грамматически непправильны: вместо "лакку мазрал" должно быть "лакку мазрай" и т. д.:

  Лакку мазрал Википедия

  Яруссаннал мазрал Википедия

  Удмурт мазрал Википедия

  Зунттал марий мазрал Википедия

  Азирбижан мазрал Википедия

  Туркнал мазрал Википедия

  Мичихичнал мазрал Википедия

  Коми-пермяк мазрал Википедия

  АсатӀин мазрал Википедия

  Инюпиак мазрал Википедия

  Руанда мазрал Википедия

  Эрзя мазрал Википедия

  Эстон мазрал Википедия

  Мокша мазрал Википедия

  Ухссавнил фриз мазрал Википедия. Таёжный лес (talk) 16:18, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

  Да и всё их содержимое, честно говоря, выглядит сомнительно с лингвистической точки зрения. Таёжный лес (talk) 16:20, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

  До 1-2 января я ненадолго выпадаю из Википедии/Викиданных, потому что не дома и не работе, а Интернет здесь слабый. По возвращении посмотрю, что можно с этими статьями сделать. --Wolverène (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

  Хорошо, счастливого вам 🎉 Таёжный лес (talk) 08:45, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

  Взаимно) 🎄 --Wolverène (talk) 05:07, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

  Дискуссия на форуме что-то заглохла. Таёжный лес (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

Лакская вики

Ответетьте, пожалуйста, на предыдущие несколько сообщений: без решения вопросов, обсуждаемых там, продолжать работу на вики довольно сложно. Таёжный лес (talk) 14:05, 20 December 2025 (UTC)