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Authority control[edit]

See also Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes
Already approved properties: list

Israeli Movie Testimonial Database Person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIsraeli Movie Testimonial Database Person ID
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainPeople
Allowed values[^/]+
ExampleAssi Dayan (Q609095)אסי-דיין
Sourcehttp://www.ictd.co.il/
Planned useLink to Israeli filmmakers
Number of IDs in source~100
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.ictd.co.il/$1/%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA

Motivation

Completeness of Israeli Movie databases.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by אודי אורון ‎ (talk • contribs) at 20:07, 3 May 2018 (UTC).

Discussion

Israeli Movie Testimonial Database Movie ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIsraeli Movie Testimonial Database Movie ID
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainMovies
Allowed values[^/]+
ExampleGiv'at Halfon Eina Ona (Q2911307)גבעת-חלפון-אינה-עונה
Sourcehttp://www.ictd.co.il/
Planned useLink to Israeli movies
Number of IDs in source~100
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.ictd.co.il/$1/%D7%A1%D7%A8%D7%98

Motivation

Completeness of Israeli Movie databases.

Discussion

Portale della Canzone italiana IDs[edit]

Portale della Canzone italiana artist ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID for artists on Portale della Canzone italiana
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
band (Q215380)
ExampleAdriano Celentano (Q199943)Adriano+Celentano
Gianni Morandi (Q319537)Gianni+Morandi
Gigliola Cinquetti (Q229295)Gigliola+Cinquetti
Sourcehttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/index.php/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?artista=$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'match (planned)

Portale della Canzone italiana performer ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID for performers on Portale della Canzone italiana
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
band (Q215380)
ExampleLelio Luttazzi (Q3830078)Lelio+Luttazzi
Domenico Modugno (Q201392)Domenico+Modugno
Sourcehttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/index.php/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?esecutore=$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'match (planned)

Portale della Canzone italiana author ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID for authors on Portale della Canzone italiana
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
ExampleFranco Migliacci (Q1442617)Franco+Migliacci
Sourcehttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/index.php/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?autore=$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'match (planned)

Portale della Canzone italiana record company ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID for record companies on Portale della Canzone italiana
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainrecord label (Q18127)
ExampleCompagnia Generale del Disco (Q3684977)CGD
Fonotipia Records (Q5465056)Fonotipia
Sourcehttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.canzoneitaliana.it/index.php/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?casa_discografica=$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'match (planned)

Motivation

Identifiers for the Portale della Canzone italiana, the official Ministry of Cultural Heritage and Activities and Tourism (Q1347047)'s portal about Italian music and songs throughout 19th and 20th century. Sannita (ICBSA) (talk) 00:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Sannita (ICBSA): Please make the examples links David (talk) 15:22, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Nice website. If it's just a search string, datatype shouldn't be external-id, but "string".
    --- Jura 12:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose doesn't look like stable identifiers on an external website, just links to some search engine. Multichill (talk) 10:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose the target site does not use identifiers but plain text search so entities with same name cannot be differentiated. -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC) Does no harm

NWHL.zone player ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an ice hockey player at NWHL.zone
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainice hockey players
Exampleno label (Q13720977)https://www.nwhl.zone/roster_players/13720977
Planned useInclusion on NWHL player articles
Number of IDs in sourceunknown
Formatter URLhttps://www.nwhl.zone/roster_players/$1

Motivation

Equivalent of NHL player ID profile property Hmlarson (talk) 04:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose It looks like the identifier changes when the player changes teams. The player example above is also at 22706212 and 13719930 etc. --99of9 (talk) 05:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support @Cwf97: 19:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Please add a few examples Germartin1 (talk) 21:40, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC) Does no harm

Flickr tag[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionTag used on Flickr to indicate images relating to a particular item
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterTemplate:Flickr tag inline link (Q21619988)
Domainany
Allowed values[^\s\/]+
ExampleEngland Delineated (5th edition) (Q52230303) -> sysnum000033859
Sourcehttps://www.flickr.com
Planned useto add to items for British Library "Mechanical Curator" image sources; but the property would also be useful for images uploaded to Flickr in projects by eg the Internet Archive, Biodiversity History Library, Smithsonian, etc, etc.
Number of IDs in sourcePerhaps 100,000 for institutional projects, maybe more. But probably only a certain proportion of these would actually be added to items.
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/$1

Motivation

A number of digitisation projects have uploaded images to Flickr, using Flickr tags to group images from particular sources or relating to particular subjects. It would be useful to record these, and provide easy linking to the corresponding images. Jheald (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Proposed. Jheald (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 16:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose seems to be the wrong datatype if not limited to the British Library tags. String is what we use for similar (e.g. Twitter tags). If the use wont be limited to a single item, it shouldn't be an external identifier either (compare with some other classifications).
    --- Jura 18:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: It's an identifier, it's external => it ought to have an external identifier type. Much better for it to appear below the fold than cluttering up the main section of statements on an item. If you want to record whether it is generally 1-to-1 or not (and, yes, it's probably not, if one starts going beyond institutional tagging), that's what constraint statements on property pages are for. Jheald (talk) 18:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I agree with you, but that's not the conclusion from the discussion about the string datatype conversion. Besides, mere GUI things can be changed otherwise. So to be consistent with others, it should use string datatype.
      --- Jura 18:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: A particular aspect of our GUI could be changed, but in this case its unlikely -- how should the GUI distinguish string-valued statements for genuine strings that ought to appear above the fold, from string-valued statements for external identifiers, which ought to appear below the fold. Much better to make all external identifiers external-identifier valued.
Even more difficult, how are external applications supposed to recognise strings that refer to external identifers, if they are not external-identifier valued? For example, Reasonator. The value of this property ought to be in Reasonator's external links box in the right-hand column. But how is eg Reasonator supposed to know that, if the property is string-valued rather than external-identifier valued?
If other properties have been given unhelpful types, the place to start changing that is here and now. So I stand firm for making this external-identifier valued, because it is an external identifier, and I believe it is helpful to external applications to mark it as such. We should remember that "consensus can change". If external identifiers haven't been given external-identifier type, that nonsense has gone on long enough, and we should end it. :::Can you give a link to the earlier discussion on this? What were supposed to be the conclusive benefits of giving external identifiers a type other than external-identifier? Is any application in the wild relying on this distinction (as opposed to being degraded by it, like Reasonator) ? And if this is about reasonably consistent single-valuedness, why is that not more effectively indicated by the explicit constraint statements on |the property? Jheald (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
It's just not the outcome of the discussion. Datatype alone isn't necessarily a good indicator for GUI construction. Currently this mixes social media accounts of a person with third party identifiers. Depending on the presentation, this can look bad. I asked our developers to look into some of the GUI issues at Wikidata. Obviously, interface things are always top priority for them ;)
--- Jura 07:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
So for example England Delineated (5th edition) (Q52230303) -> sysnum000033859.
There's scope for perhaps up to 100,000 such categories on Commons, maybe more. Jheald (talk) 09:39, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Some background about the machine tags at https://www.flickr.com/groups/51035612836@N01/discuss/72157594497877875/ .
Not sure if we should even link to Flickr in the example. Shouldn't all these images just be on Commons? Multichill (talk) 11:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Multichill: 1. Stats: We currently have about 40,000 images on Commons from the BL scans, out of about 1 million on Flickr. For images scanned from Internet Archive books, we have about 480,000 images, out of about 5.25 million on Flickr. We have about about 250,000 images from the BHL, out of an unknown number, mostly linked directly to the BHL website, though copies may exist on Flickr via the IA.
The issue with these pix (and the reason for those counts) is that metadata for these images is generally very very weak, generally extending no further than title, author, publisher, and date of the book the image was extracted from -- ie most usually nothing about what might be actually depicted in the image. Also, many of the images frankly aren't very interesting or of very high quality. For that reason the Commons community originally outright vetoed a bulk upload of all the BL images; instead those that have been uploaded have been uploaded selectively, and hand-curated by editors as they went along. Regarding the IA images, Fae has systematically uploaded those above a certain size, and left the rest. So that's why, in both of these cases, there are a lot more images still on Flickr than those so far copied to Commons.
Should we copy over the rest, particularly in view of Flickr's recent change of ownership, previous precarious financial position, and the recent repositioning of some other image platforms to turn against Commons images? Perhaps, but in the case of both the IA and the BL, we know where these images came from, we are on good terms with the institutions, and we could almost certainly obtain the images on hard drives if anything calamitous did happen at Flickr. So there is probably no pressing reason to change existing Commons practice. (Though I do still hope to upload 50,000 of the BL images that depict maps, for which currently underway). But it would be useful to be able to systematically link to the corresponding image-sets on Flickr, from Commons categories for books, to see what other images may be available.
2. Machine tags. Is there a Dutch translation of the English Q7691305? Perhaps with a nice informative illustrative painting by Jan Steen (Q205863) ? :-)
Yes, I know what machine tags are. The metadata improvement project for the map images has even been systematically adding them. But there are a number of problems with them, the first being that they are hardly used, so Flickr doesn't really care about making sure that software updates don't break them. There are a number of ways of constructing Flickr URLs with them that one would feel ought to work, but then strangely don't. Even if a URL template can be made to work this year, that's no guarantee as to whether it would still work next year. In contrast the simpler regular tags tend to be more bulletproof. Also the machine tags and/or the searches for them munge spaces and punctuation in various ways, making it difficult to use many existing identifiers as machine tags.
But the real point is that, for what I really want, namely to return all the images from a particular book, the images already have tags for this, systematically added by the BL and the IA when the images were uploaded, so those are the tags I'm interested in. Nobody is going to take the time and bandwidth to add machine tags to 6.25 million images, simply to duplicate information that is already there. It's the current established regular tags for books and book-volumes from the BL and the IA that one would want to link to. Jheald (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support by analogy with other tag properties created and proposed, though it is very clearly evident that concerns about their creation overlap greatly at least when it comes to their datatype and their general worthiness of inclusion. On this former point, until we all agree to recast Twitter hashtag (P2572) as an external identifier, I support this property's creation as a string; on the worthiness of its inclusion, I sometimes wonder, given many of the examples presented here and elsewhere, whether a single unified 'tag' property is in order, seeing as most of them pertain to exactly the same topic whether viewed on Twitter, Instagram, Gfycat, or Flickr. Mahir256 (talk) 15:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I'm a bit unsure: this is very similar to Twitter hashtag (P2572) but there are differences. Tags are no identifiers, so the datatype should be string, but tags serve a similar purpose like identifiers. Flickr tags were one of the first popular instances of folksonomy (Q494291), that's why I support this proposal. There are several more tagging applications, (e.g. see https://www.librarything.com/tag/archaeology) and we don't want properties for all of them but this must be decided case by case. -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Benefit of the doubt, doesn't harm imo so:
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I'm a mergist, but tendency in occasion as this include Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hoopla ID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionan audiobook, film, music album, comic, ebook, or television series on Hoopla
RepresentsHoopla (Q16253003)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Film: My Little Pony: Equestria Girls – Rainbow Rocks (Q15728879)11195435
Example 2Music: 1989 (Q17544553)11902703
Example 3Comic: Watchmen (Q128444)11356801
Example 4Ebook: The Giving Tree (Q2915384) → (Q item) → 12071596
Example 5Television: Fruits Basket (Q216204)10077095
Formatter URLhttps://www.hoopladigital.com/title/$1

Motivation

A service many local libraries subscribe to that allow patrons to loan audiobooks, comics, ebooks, movies, music, and television episodes. The catalog looks to be currently 1.2 million items is a little under 700,000 currently available titles. Dispenser (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • I'm worried about several issues:
    • This website abuses Javascript, making it impossible for most applications to use or check their content. I guess this will also make us very difficult to add the corresponding IDs to Wikidata by using tools like Mix'n'match. Are there some alternative, Linked Data friendly URIs?
    • This website seems to have several bugs or unfinished features. For example, I get no titles when filtering by artist.
    • Should these IDs be used for books, for editions or for exemplars (see Wikidata:WikiProject Books)? If for exemplars, even if for editions, this property may not be so useful.
  • Because of these points, I Symbol oppose vote.svg can't support this proposal for now. Anyway, thanks for your initiative! --abián 12:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I believe it is built with w:AngularJS, so it uses a REST API (example)to retrieve data and display it. Dispenser (talk) 17:15, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
      • I've retrieved a little under 700,000 titles from the sitemap and have scripted the process. Dispenser (talk) 11:04, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Maybe the label should mention that it's for title ids, not artist ids (given abian's comment about otherwise unrelated functionality).
      --- Jura 13:27, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Regards 2, the proposal is for title ids. Titles are removed due to expiring licensing agreements, similar to Netflix title ID (P1874). Dispenser (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
    • For books, these should be editions similar to Google Books ID (P675). Dispenser (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
      • Thanks for clarifying! --abián 20:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 15:13, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Another identifier, is another identifier. I don't see any reason not to link to hoopla except for "not perfect", so I'm supporting this. (tJosve05a (c) 02:36, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support yet another publication identifier -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Gfycat tag[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptiontag used to identify an entity or concept, on Gfycat.com
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[\w]+(\+[\w]+)*
Example 1bicycle (Q11442)bicycle
Example 2drum (Q11404)drums
Example 3Penn Jillette (Q4129653)penn+jillette>
Sourcehttps://gfycat.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in sourceMany 1000s
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://gfycat.com/gifs/tag/$1
Robot and gadget jobsI will be adding a data set to Mix'n'Match
See alsoWikidata:Property proposal/Gfycat user ID

Motivation

Popular GIF upload site. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support as a useful depiction of subjects --Habst (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose As external identifier. A tag is not authority control.--Micru (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
    • That would be why the dataype is called "external identifier" and not "authority control". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
      • @Pigsonthewing: I believe David is responding to |topic = authority control in the proposal, given that external identifiers such as the one you are proposing are very frequently used for that purpose. Mahir256 (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support by analogy with similar properties for Twitter and proposed for Instagram, though some concerns in the Instagram proposal may be applicable here as well. Mahir256 (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose as mentioned above, the datatype seems to have the usual defect. Would be fine as a string datatype property, as other search strings/tags.
    --- Jura 13:27, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose tags are just strings, not stable identifiers for a concept. This will just cause noise in our dataset. Multichill (talk) 10:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Create as external ID. I see no merit in making this a string, rather than an external ID, when it exists purely to retrieve content from an external website. Given a binary divide between properties for general purposes in the main section, and those which relate purely to retrieving content from external sites, segregated below the fold to distinguish them from general statements about the item, this seems to belong squarely in the latter category.
As to Multichill saying this is just clutter, and we shouldn't create it at all, I don't agree. If the website has dominant hashtags for content related for particular items, that would facilitate linking in each direction, then that seems to me information well worth having. Jheald (talk) 16:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I think this suffers from the same problems as other tags on social media. They aren't curated in any way and can be freely chosen by the users, so there isn't necessarily a strong connection between the string and a specific thing/concept here on WD. While Twitter hashtag (P2572) was created despite objections, Wikidata:Property proposal/Instagram tag was rejected a couple of months ago and Wikidata:Property proposal/Flickr tag is still under discussion) Just look at something like tree, only some of those gifs actually show tree (Q10884), many seem to show people smooking weed (probably thanks to /r/trees) or all kinds of other stuff. --Kam Solusar (talk) 17:32, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Multichill… why would "bicycle" be the tag for bicycle (Q11442)? "bike" works too. Or maybe "velo"? We would just end up adding labels and aliases of each item as values for this property: no thanks. − Pintoch (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
    • @Pintoch: Perhaps, but the number would be likely to be fairly finite. Is recording a short list such a problem? Jheald (talk) 00:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jheald: just because we generally try to avoid redundancy? As a data consumer you can already list the labels and aliases in an item and deduce from that the possible Gfycat tags for the item. − Pintoch (talk) 07:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
        • Storing multiple data values is not "redundant". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
          • Oh sorry, I thought it was, but since you assert it with such certainty, I must be wrong. − Pintoch (talk) 14:53, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Multichill --Pasleim (talk) 22:53, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment it seems that this "tag" s just a duplication of the label (and/or the alias), so why is this property needed? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

CETAF specimen ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionpersistent identifier URL for a taxonomic specimen, compliant with the Consortium of European Taxonomic Facilities Stable Identifier Initiative
Data typeURL
Domaintaxon type specimens (+other notable specimens, if any)
Example 1item for the type specimen of Cinnamomum bejolghota (Q2972821)http://herbarium.bgbm.org/object/B100277113
Example 2item for the type specimen of Harpagoxenus sublaevis (Q309349)http://id.luomus.fi/GL.749
Example 3item for the type specimen of Carabus lusitanicus brevis (Q5037464)https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/ec/item/ec32
Number of IDs in sourcemany thousands, eventually millions
Expected completenesseventually complete

Motivation

As noted on Wikispecies:

the Consortium of European Taxonomic Facilities has created a system of persistent identifiers for type specimens (https://cetaf.org/cetaf-stable-identifiers). The intension is that the URI to the specimen will remain stable indefinitely, so we can link to type specimens without fear that the link will break.

The CETAF initiative creates "a joint Linked Open Data (LOD) compliant identifier system". The particpating institutions include the Royal Botanic Garden of Edinburgh, the Museum für Naturkunde, Berlin, The Natural History Museum, London, the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew and the Royal Museum for Central Africa. Additional information can be found at the CETAF Stable Identifier Initiative Wiki.

AIUI, the intention is that data about type specimens should be stored on an item about the specimen, not the item about the taxon. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

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Discussion

Symbol support vote.svg SupportTom.Reding (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - better to use links to the actual specimen in the holding museum, not a third party. Most holding museums are major organisations with stable websites. This is adding an extra step for mistakes. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    • CETAF IDs are in fact exactly what you advocate i.e. links to the specimens in the holding museum not a third party. CETAF is acting more as a standardisation body to get the museums to produce URLs with similar behaviours - basically Linked Data URIs with some agreed metadata attached. RogerHyam (talk) 15:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
      • No they are not, they are an unreviewed third party and this is problematic in nomenclature which requires serious review and checking prior to publication, ie peer review. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:33, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Faendalimas: The three examples given above are:

  1. http://herbarium.bgbm.org/object/B100277113
  2. http://id.luomus.fi/GL.749
  3. https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/ec/item/ec32

For each of those three cases, please tell us which "third party" is being linked to? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I did not say linked to, I said obtained from, and that it is a non reviewed assessment hence unchecked by scientific rigor. In anycase the first one has a second url on the page which is the museum whether its the correct specimen I do not know, the second is possibly linking to the correct specimen without evidence to show its correct, the third is a dead link for me so I cannot tell what its supposed to do. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 03:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: What you said was "better to use links to the actual specimen in the holding museum, not a third party". Furthermore, when told "CETAF IDs are in fact exactly what you advocate i.e. links to the specimens in the holding museum... CETAF is acting more as a standardisation body to get the museums to produce URLs with similar behaviours - basically Linked Data URIs with some agreed metadata attached.", you replied "No they are not". [I've fixed the third link, in my comment; it was always correct in the proposal template.] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I do not have an issue with the links. Its the authority of the information. I meant not "from" a third party. (If you copy and pasted my previous statement, I did not look, I must have left that word out, apologies for that). As in not obtaining the information from a third party. Rather than from the source. What I am getting at is that the information needs to be peer reviewed which online resources are not. I did figure there was a mistake in the url above I assumed you would fix it. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:16, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I think this proposal needs some thorough investigations. According to CETAF Stable Identifiers the following 15 CETAF institutions implemented this kind

  1. Botanic Garden and Botanical Museum Berlin-Dahlem (Q163255)
  2. Finnish Museum of Natural History (Q3329689)
  3. Institute of Botany (Q30255205)
  4. Museum of Natural History Berlin (Q233098)
  5. Muséum national d'histoire naturelle (Q838691)
  6. Naturalis (Q641676)
  7. Natural History Museum of London (Q309388)
  8. Natural History Museum at the University of Oslo (Q1840963)
  9. Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh (Q1807521)
  10. Kew Gardens (Q188617)
  11. State Museum of Natural History Stuttgart (Q2324612)
  12. Bavarian Natural History Collections (Q2324459)
  13. Museum Koenig (Q510343)
  14. Meise Botanic Garden (Q3052500)
  15. Royal Museum for Central Africa (Q779703)

So how could we restrict this URI to this institutions. Most of the URIs will not represent a type specimen (Q51255340). How to use this URIs here? Next week I will try to have a closer look to the 5,5 million URIs provided by the Muséum national d'histoire naturelle. --Succu (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

In the current MNHN dataset of ca. 5.5 million specimens 107,867 have a "typeStatus": type (Q3707858) = 27,277; syntype (Q719822) = 18,148; holotype (Q1061403) = 14,454; isosyntype (Q55195195) = 2,798; lectotype (Q2439719) = 2,521. --Succu (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Some problems with the current MNHN dataset I observed:
The dataset contains holotypes for family names
The dataset has multiple holotypes for a taxon, e.g. Cyathea rouhaniana (Q17037631) = P00411818 to P00411823
The dataset uses "decimalLatitude" and "decimalLongitude" without "coordinatePrecision". "verbatimCoordinates" or "verbatimLatitude" and "verbatimLongitude" are not given. --Succu (talk) 08:08, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
--Succu (talk) 18:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support Excited by this. Would be willing to help with automated populating property. --RogerHyam (talk) 15:22, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Roger, nice to see you here. If I understand the proposal right, it involves the creation of items to get taxonomic type (P427) working. So we need to define how to map the metadata values to our properties. I created P01069419 (Q55196248), P01069417 (Q55197790) and holotype of Ouratea sipaliwiniensis (Q55200035) as a base for discussions. --Succu (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
I'd rather not get into recreating nomenclature. It is a intellectual exercise akin to the jigsaw puzzle in Laura & Hardy "Me and My Pal" (YouTube) - We will be at each others throats and the biodiversity of the world destroyed before we finish the task. Really a type relationship has to include literature and a lot of complexity that is of use to a small specialist audience and just confuses everyone else. If someone wants to know the type of a taxon they can read the literature in the Taxon Name (Property:P225).
It appears Wikidata is building a single consensus taxonomy. If we had a single property that was "has Voucher Specimen" or similar then we could add properties to taxa based on the identifications by experts in museums. e.g. Q557928 "has Voucher Specimen" http://data.rbge.org.uk/herb/E00590786 would be possible. Perhaps I should be proposing a different property but I'm new to the wikidata thing. RogerHyam (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata is not building a single consensus taxonomy. The contrary is true. A lot of users have difficulties to accept this. ;) --Succu (talk) 17:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Succu. Could you give an examples of multiple taxa (taxon concepts) with the same full scientific name in Wikidata. I'm a bit ignorant on this and need to understand how it is being represented. RogerHyam (talk) 08:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
E.g. we implemented APG I to IV. See the references for parent taxon (P171) at Cactaceae (Q14560): Maybe this is not exactly what you expected. Please note note this discussion too. --Succu (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I'm not sure that the name of the property is good. It may be better to have it as "Museum Specimen ID" or "Voucher Specimen ID" and then have a recommendation that these are CETAF compliant URIs. This way we can have stable links to many specimens that have been determined to belong to a taxon by experts and, if people are good with their data markup, most of these will be expandable into images and geolocations etc. RogerHyam (talk) 15:21, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment that this is already so confused shows why this is not a good idea in concept. You cannot call the type specimen a voucher specimen or a museum specimen per se. Yes a type is both of those but so are many other specimens. The type is a special case of a voucher or museum specimen as it is the only specimen that the available name of a taxon is attached to. No other specimen has this. It is the specimen upon which the name is established. It has major import. I agree it is only of major interest to a specialist minority, ie taxonomists mostly, but you cannot undervalue it, nor have it proposed in a way that any museum specimen or voucher could be called this. Only the original description or a peer reviewed taxonomic review should be used as the reference of the type specimen. As such they should be listed with reference to these articles and only this way. Then there is a clear reference. Online resources are not reviewed as such and are not reliable when it comes to types. This will introduce potential error in this area of nomenclature that is extremely exacting. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I created P01069419 (Q55196248) from the details given in Novitates neocaledonicae V: Eugenia plurinervia N. Snow, Munzinger & Callm. (Myrtaceae), a new threatened species with distinct leaves (Q55196032) ("Typus: New Caledonia. Prov. Nord: Ouazangou-Taom, Onajiele, 165 m, 20°46’43’’S 164°27’59’’E, 20.III.2016, Munzinger (leg. Scopetra) 7530 (holo- : P [P01069419]! ; iso- : G [G00341659]!, MO!, MPU [MPU310532]!, NOU [NOU054468]!, NSW!, P [P01069420]!)"). The applied changes by Mr. Mabbett now give the impression the data are taken form the MNHN record. --Succu (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
If you don't give references when you make claims, don't complain when someone else adds a valid citation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The item was created to discuss mappings (= data model). If you had checked your reference you should have noticed some differences. --Succu (talk) 18:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The item was created without citations. I added them. If you think I acted improperly, you know where the admin noticeboard is. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I corrected my omission. --Succu (talk) 20:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
But it was reverted with the comment o restore coordinates, as previsouly?! --Succu (talk) 20:15, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
No; it was reverted with the comment "to restore coordinates, as previously"; and that was because, as well as your declared reason for editing, you also - yet again - re-added coordinates saying that the object is in New Caledonia, on the opposite side of the planet to its actual current location. Hence Wikidata:Project_chat#Coordinates_of_objects_in_museums. None of which, of course, has anything to do with the proposal at hand. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
You proposed this change. Im OK with this. --Succu (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

You are moving a bit fast for me to keep up, so please forgive my request for clarifications. Also, please forgive my lack is wiki etiquet if this is the wrong place for these comments.

It would be fantastic to load up all our typification information from the Meise Botanic Garden to Wikidata, but can you point me to a place that describes how?
In this property proposal there are no authority names. This is essential due to homonyms, but where possible they should be linked to people somewhere. However, does this cause problems when linking these data to other Latin names in Wikis that don't use authorities?
I’m sure there are errors in the data, such as there being two holotypes, fixing these is a motivation to expose the data. Does this work for you?
There also needs to be a field that tells you what sort of type it is holo-, lecto, iso, para, neo, etc. Do you want a full list?
The National Botanic Garden of Belgium changed its name a while ago, can I just edited this wikidata entry?

Qgroom (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I wish there was an easy answer to this. I would love to see a proposal that actually did types the way they should be, with all the appropriate metadata included, utilising the correct terminology as accepted in the science and discipline of taxonomy and nomenclature. Alas we do not get this we get rather hit and miss efforts. If someone wants to try and create a property with all the needed attributes, obtaining data from reliable resources I would be happy to help. The same types of properties I create already in museum databases as a museum curator. The same ones I already use as highly published taxonomist and a nomenclatural specialist. You want us to use this material at Wikispecies Andy?? then do it right. I would support this if it was done correctly Andy. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 04:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I think there are a few people in the CETAF community who could help get this right. Though personally I find it difficult to discuss these things in a chat page and I'm not sure how decisions are made here. Nevertheless, I'd really like to make this happen. Qgroom (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
"I would love to see a proposal that actually did types the way they should be, with all the appropriate metadata included" Then you are in the wrong place. This is a proposal to create a property to hold one type of identifier-URL. The only arguments you have presented about it are either easily refuted (see "third party links" discussion, above. or are merely vague hand -waving and appeals to authority, with no substance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
My comment here was a generalized one only brought up in reference to the above comment. Its not a direct reference to the proposal here at hand. So yes I know this is not the right place. I think the whole structure of how types are presented is inadequate. My point was that unfortunately many proposals are attempts to gather information from online resources for ease of mass import with no respect to the exacting nature of taxonomic data and metadata permitting potential mistakes. These online resources are not authorities on the taxonomy of species. What is the point of data if there is no evidence inherit that demonstrates it has been tested for accuracy. For taxonomic data I want to see us produce useful information not page upon page of unreliable rubbish. Your difficulty Andy is you do not use this information. You are presenting it, but not using it. Much of the informatics being presented, not necessarily by you I am generalizing now, has no guarantee, therefore it has no use in taxonomy. So what is it then except page upon page of what exactly? Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Qgroom: for "a field that tells you what sort of type it is", please see P01069419 (Q55196248); but note also the issues with that data model, which I have raised here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I think I get it. So in your example P01069419 (Q55196248) you would replace the URL (P2699) with this proposed CETAF specimen ID property.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qgroom (talk • contribs) at 15:29, 27 June 2018‎ (UTC).
@Qgroom: Precisely. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Could you please explain why this substitution is useful? What we (=Wikidata) gain from this change? --Succu (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I suppose the question is why we need a subcategory of URL that is specific to CETAF specimen ID. Well from my point of view, which is quite ignorant of the workings of Wikidata, having the distinction is useful because the CETAF specimen ID points to a great level of stability and functionality than a standard URL. I'm not certain this is entirely necessary, however, it is particularly useful to have one URI that uniquely represents the digital representation of the physical specimen. People could link to many different image files or website all representing that specimen. These might be labelled in all sorts of ways and be derived from all sorts of places. Yet it is much better that there is only one standard way to refer to the physical specimen. Qgroom (talk) 13:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Deutsche Biographie person ID[edit]

   Not done
Descriptionidentifier for a person in the Deutsche Biographie
RepresentsDeutsche Biographie (Q1202222)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterID in Template:German Biography (Q19886784)
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example
Sourcehttps://www.deutsche-biographie.de/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useadd for all records in the DB (Deutsche Biographie), that have a GND, starting with ADB, then NDB.
Number of IDs in source140000
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.deutsche-biographie.de/gnd$1.html

Motivation

Major German project see de:Deutsche Biographie, operated by Historische Kommission bei der Bayerischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, can help to identify humans in WD. 92.230.132.107 10:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose This is GND ID (P227) (see Q40904#P227). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    Since when is that a reason to reject a property? Sächsische Biografie (Property:P1710) has it too. @Jonathan Groß, Conny, TMg:, is SäBi ID different here? Property:P5115 (Directory of Open Access Journals ID) was created too, despite it is an ISSN (Property:P236). 92.230.132.107 14:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes, but that was after a long discussion that still left some doubts there should be a better way. third-party formatter URL (P3303) was designed for this - so I guess the question here is whether there's a similar issue that this dataset covers only a subset of what's in the full GND identifiers list (which I'm guessing is the case). ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    @Pigsonthewing, ArthurPSmith: The GND on the site could differ from the GND offered on the official GND site. If a record in the GND register is changed then GND users may still have other values. There could also be errors due to processing, the Dt.-Biographie could have a value not even found in the GND register. 92.230.132.107 23:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    It seems that this proposal is now conflating two identifier schemes, GND and SFZ. Also note that the site offers a third type of ID for Ernst Johann von Biron (Q57768); pnd118685325. And I'm doubly opposed given the Haxthausen (Q1591783) example: an ID exists, but for some reason we are told "Do not add"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
    User:Pigsonthewing, Kolja21 wanted to mix SFZ and GND, but the proposal was made related to the GND. There are only two types of IDs, the SFZ-IDs and the GND-IDs. Regarding Haxthausen, the Q-item you mentioned can be linked via GND https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/gnd189540648.html , but "Haxthausen, Freiherren von" is currently only linkable via SFZ (https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz50814001.html#indexcontent) and no item in WD seems to exist. The example in the proposal has been fixed. 2.245.11.89 18:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 15:24, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support The Deutsche Biographie has its own identifiers. They want to replace all IDs with GND-IDs (PND = GND, Typ p) but it's not working. I've added the example: Haxthausen (Q1591783)sfz50814001. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    ADB and NDB articles should almost all have a GND. 92.230.132.107 23:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    support withdrawn --Kolja21 (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment There is a difference between all GNDs that they have in the database and those they offer own information for. The following official but a bit outdated beacon files offer ~140 000 GNDs.
    1. http://www.historische-kommission-muenchen-editionen.de/beacon_adb.txt / 25782 // https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?#/catalog/1042 Deutsche Biographie ADB
    2. http://www.historische-kommission-muenchen-editionen.de/beacon_ndb.txt / 22217 // https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?#/catalog/1041 Deutsche Biographie NDB
    3. http://www.historische-kommission-muenchen-editionen.de/beacon_db_register.txt / 99192
    These, or the catalogs, can be used for first filling. Later one can mark with qualifiers what is in ADB/NDB or elsewhere. 92.230.132.107 23:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment this seems to be a duplicate of another proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Deutsche_Biographie_Identifikator.
    --- Jura 04:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
    That gave an example with SFZ, not with GND. And it had GND and SFZ mixed in one property:
    Allowed values quite varied, e.g. gnd118599631
    Example Johann Gottfried Quistorp (Q1694137) → sfz75422
    Formatter URL https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/$1.html
    But the proposal here is only about those records in Deutsche Biographie that have 1) a GND and 2) an article in ADB (ca 25 000)/NDB (ca 25 000) or a mentioned in the register (ca 100 000). 2.247.46.35 10:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
    Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Why should the records with no GND value left out? Imho it is advantage of this property that is covers all records. Of cause a bot should choose carefully what records are imported but the property is open for all. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
    Kolja21, do you propose mixing GND and SFZ in one property? That looks like road to problems. If the preferred URL changes (they could change it to example.com/gnd/<ID>) then with a dedicated property it is an easy change in the formatter, but otherwise maybe 100 000+ edits have to be made. There could be a different property for the SFZ, though the SFZ seems not to be visible on a record reached via GND-Link. 2.247.46.35 16:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes I support what you are calling "mixing GND and SFZ". I call it "Deutsche Biographie person ID". Just take a look at this example: Ludwig Kiessling (Q1874660), GND 125177828deutsche-biographie.de/gnd125177828. Try the link. It wouldn't work. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
    Kolja21,
    1. @"mixing GND and SFZ" - And what is your solution to "If the preferred URL changes (they could change it to example.com/gnd/<ID>) then with a dedicated property it is an easy change in the formatter, but otherwise maybe 100 000+ edits have to be made."? Every time someone wants to obtain the GND or compare it to the GND P227 the query will be more complicated, including working on strings, which needs more processing (CPU time). The SFZ is not officially promoted by the publisher for records that have a GND, support it may just disappear.
    2. @Ludwig Kiessling (Q1874660) - the search ( https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/search?name=Kie%C3%9Fling%2C+Ludwig ) reveals that there are two SFZ records, sfz125311, sfz40917, both connected to GND 125177828. I just reported this - and that the GND link is not working - to the staff, that looks like a candidate for a merge. One could store gnd125177828, sfz125311, sfz40917, but SFZ and GND are of a different nature, and one does not know how the future formatter will look like.
    2.247.46.35 19:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
    You reported it to the staff? What staff? As far as I know they have a secretary, that works for the printed edition of the NDB and sometime they hire students. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
    Before you hand out more questions, could you answer the ones posed to you? The staff was happy to receive the report and said a search for all such cases will be done. And it was emphasized that their policy is to promote the GND, not the SFZ. I don't know what happens if two SFZ are merged, redirect, removal. And if they have bugs here, maybe they also have bugs with the GND, i.e. their GND value can differ from the GND value found in the official register. Waiting for User:Pigsonthewing and User:ArthurPSmith to explain in light of this how they propose to handle such cases. 92.230.142.158 17:11, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support--Oursana (talk) 11:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I find this discussion highly confusing - is there one IP user with various different addresses who has proposed this property, or is it multiple different people? I don't know who is advocating for what at this point. If anonymous users could at the least identify themselves clearly on each post (use a consistent signature for example in addition to the standard one) - or preferably open an account here, that would help a lot. Is the original proposer in favor of the current name and the apparent proposal to use whatever Deutsche Biographie is using as an identifier, whether or not it is GND? I think that's ok with me. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
    User:ArthurPSmith maybe just judge based on message content, not message meta data? WD:NPA: /Comment on content, not on the contributor./ Deutsche Biographie is a major German-language website, they promote linking by GND and want to phase out their own SFZ. But their statement on person-GND relation is not the one made in the GND authority file, it can be different, even if it should normally be the same. They don't cover all GND and there is no public plan that they intend to do so. The focus is on humans related to the German-language area. https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ueber?language=en 2.245.11.89 17:55, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
    I'm not commenting on the contributor, I'm trying to understand whether the original proposer of this property, who did so from the 92.230.132.107 address, is in agreement with this discussion. Normally in evaluating proposals the opinion of the proposer as an individual is important. Reviewing the comments, I do see several more from that same IP address, so I'm guessing the answer is yes, but it's hard to tell. But now looking at the examples in the template it looks like they need further work anyway - the 'sfz' cases should be removed if they are not wanted as real example cases for this property, and the examples should be formatted properly to show what ID you expect to be entered (just the numeric value it looks like?) Also, ideally I would like to see specific examples of where the ID differs from GND, and a note somewhere of a case where GND has an entry that this is missing, to cover the range of possibilities here. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:26, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
    User:ArthurPSmith, the IP-Team is fine with the removal of the SFZ examples. They had been inserted by User:Kolja21 [1] who tried to turn the proposal into a mixed parameter property proposal, similar to his ill-fated de:Vorlage;Deutsche Biographie. Due to the latter a maintenance category was created 2018-07-07 de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:Vorlagenfehler/Vorlage:Deutsche Biographie, and users are now removing SFZ. 78.52.117.208 10:57, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Obviously the same IP has started or caused multiple discussions on this topic in the German Wikipedia:
That's not very helpful (see also de:Vorlage Diskussion:Deutsche Biographie). I withdraw my support. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks to the initiative of several IPs in dewiki, users are now cleaning up the mess created by User:Kolja21. 2015-05-09 Kolja21 had created de:Vorlage:Deutsche Biographie, which on 2018-07-07 got a tracking category [2] [3]. Users are now mass-removing the errors [4]. The withdrawel of support by User:Kolja21 for the property proposal says something about the personality of User:Kolja21 and can be taken as a sign of quality of the proposal. He doesn't get his mixed parameter property and the mixed parameter template in dewiki is converted to GND-only. 78.52.117.208 11:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Just for the records: As you mentioned I have created de:Vorlage:Deutsche Biographie in 2015. The template worked perfectly fine till you've started flooding deWP with demands and proposals (using different IPs and talk pages) and we, not you, are cleaning up the mess you've created. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
All the IP's who participated are probably the same person: The long banner user known as "Tobias Conradi". Blocked some ranges and protected this page.
I don't really have an opinion about this property, but I don't see a consensus in favor for creating it at the moment. Multichill (talk) 19:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Kolja21, Multichill, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing, Jura1: will not be created -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

IDs from alternativa teatral[edit]

Alternativa Teatral person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Representshuman (Q5)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuespatrón de cadena
Example 1Norman Briski (Q4355418)2397-norman-briski
Example 2Vicente Muleiro (Q20749445)114598-vicente-muleiro
Example 3Martín Pavlovsky (Q28008974)594-martin-pavlovsky
Sourcehttp://www.alternativateatral.com
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.alternativateatral.com/persona$1
Robot and gadget jobsadd data with Mix'n match.

Alternativa Teatral work ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Representsplay (Q25379), musical (Q2743)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuespatrón de cadena
Example 1Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (Q2517513)10180-rosencrantz-y-guildenstern-han-muerto
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Sourcehttp://www.alternativateatral.com
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.alternativateatral.com/obra$1
Robot and gadget jobsadd data with Mix'n match.

Alternativa Teatral place ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Representstheater (Q24354), event venue (Q18674739), café-chantant (Q478679), cultural center (Q1329623)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuespatrón de cadena
Example 1Teatro General San Martín (Q7691915)52-teatro-san-martin
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Sourcehttp://www.alternativateatral.com
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.alternativateatral.com/espacio$1
Robot and gadget jobsadd data with Mix'n match.

Motivación

Comprehensive website for Argentian independent theatre. Mr. Moonlight (talk) 00:09, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Mr. Moonlight (talk) 14:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Jmmuguerza (talk) 03:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC) Lahi (talk) 13:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC) Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 07:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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  • Symbol support vote.svg Support all David (talk) 14:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Baidu ScholarID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for a scholar at the Baidu Scholar website.
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainresearcher (Q1650915)
Allowed valuesCN-B[A-Z0-9]+
Example 1Nan Rendong (Q40602579)CN-BE742ZOJ
Example 2Guo Moruo (Q357821) → CN-BO75DMAJ
Example 3Bai Chunli (Q4843133) → CN-BS74JKCJ
Example 4no label (Q9214570) → CN-BN742OYJ
Sourcehttp://xueshu.baidu.com
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useAn authority control website, academic index. There are currently no usage plans, just available in Wikidata.
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://xueshu.baidu.com/scholarID/$1

Motivation[edit]

Academic index (Chinese). Just provide it on the Wikidata site, first allow it to be added. YFdyh000 (talk) 15:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose How long until this proposal goes the route of Wikidata:Property proposal/Baidu Baike ID? Mahir256 (talk) 16:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Baidu Scholar is only a search engine. It does not itself host copyright violation.--GZWDer (talk) 20:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose So long as Bidu continues to breach our copyrights (and/or WMF trademarks), we should not be linking to any of their websites. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:20, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your comment. I am very interested in this inclusion standard, Wikidata has a relevant policy?--YFdyh000 (talk) 00:13, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support This is a valid external identifier which doesn't share the page title issue of the Baidu Baike articles, and since Wikidata doesn't actually have an external links policy and the terms of use do not prohibit linking to sites that tolerate copyright infringement, I don't see why this property shouldn't be created. Jc86035 (talk) 17:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support There is no sign of ads on these pages, they seem focused on scholarly information - I see no reason not to add this property, it seems a very useful addition to information about Chinese academics. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Pacific Coast Architecture Database ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifiers for people, buildings and firms related to architecture on the West Coast of the United States
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), building (Q41176), business (Q4830453)
Allowed values(person|firm|building)\/\d+
Example 1John C. Pelton Jr. (Q55508624)person/1364
Example 2Geisel Library (Q962291)building/1153
Example 3Gensler (Q3100834)firm/19
Sourcehttp://pcad.lib.washington.edu/
Planned useadd to person, building and firm items
Number of IDs in source35,313
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://pcad.lib.washington.edu/$1/

Motivation[edit]

This is a fairly extensive architecture database maintained at the University of Washington Libraries. It seems useful to be able to bring in these IDs, especially for West Coast architects, buildings and firms that are less well-covered by other sources. Certainstars (talk) 20:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Belvedere object ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an artwork in the Österreichische Galerie Belvedere in Vienna
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainartworks
Allowed values\d+
Example 1The Kiss (Q698487)6678
Example 2Judith and the Head of Holofernes (Q2324643)3492
Example 3Portrait of Eugene, Prince of Savoy (Q17320370)10548
Example 4Napoleon Crossing the Alps (Q19801102)7889
Sourcehttp://digital.belvedere.at/objects/
Planned useUse on all the paintings
Number of IDs in source7122
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://digital.belvedere.at/objects/$1/
Robot and gadget jobsConvert the described at URL (P973) to this new property.
See alsoBelvedere artist ID (P3421)

Motivation[edit]

They seem to have updated their website and are now (finally) using https instead of http. We have close to 4000 paintings here on Wikidata and instead of updating the described at URL (P973) links, we might as well create a new property for it. They also provide IIIF manifests based on the id (example). Multichill (talk) 09:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Symbol support vote.svg Support Jane023 (talk) 11:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral About 3.800 items in WD have an inventory number (P217) from the Österreichische Galerie Belvedere (Q303139) (stated there as qualifier collection (P195)). There exists the possibility to build an URL into the institutions discovery system direct to the specific item. (see Query) so we could create instead of a further object identifier at the same institution described at URL (P973) with the shown value. (Advantage to get all metadata and links to all digital objects for the item) Unfortunately both variants (Link to catalogue or object-identifier) have no information about its sustainability and stability. --Mfchris84 (talk) 10:47, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Number World ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a real number in the 'Number World' database
RepresentsNumber World (Q55906447)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainnumber (Q11563)
Allowed values\d+
Example 12 (Q200)2
Example 217 (Q40118)17
Example 3777 (Q426698)777
Sourcehttps://numberworld.info/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source1015
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://numberworld.info/$1

Motivation[edit]

The Number World is a online database about numbers, and has information about all natural numbers until 1015, like factorization, square root and if is a prime number. And has support for three languages: english, chinese and german. Mr. Fulano! Talk 21:26, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Opensofias
Tobias1984
Micru
Arthur Rubin
Cuvwb
TomT0m
Tylas
Physikerwelt
Lymantria
Bigbossfarin
Infovarius
Helder
PhilMINT
Malore
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  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Joalpe (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Nice - but "eventually complete" - rereadyally??! ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: Changed. Mr. Fulano! Talk 20:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Playbill production ID[edit]

   playbill production id
Descriptionidentifier for a theatrical production in the Playbill.com database
RepresentsPlaybill (Q3392106)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaintheatrical productions
Allowed values[a-z]+(-[a-z]+)*-\d{10}
Example 1Finian's Rainbow (Q3028308)finians-rainbow-46th-street-theatre-vault-0000013170
Example 2Memphis Bound! (Q48742772)memphis-bound-broadway-theatre-vault-0000012354
Example 3Lost in the Stars (Q1338894)lost-in-the-stars-music-box-theatre-vault-0000002650
Example 4Fiddler on the Roof (Q487330)fiddler-on-the-roof-imperial-theatre-vault-0000006051
Sourcehttp://www.playbill.com
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useMix and match bot to fill in values
Number of IDs in source> 1,000
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://www.playbill.com/production/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix and match bot modified to crawl through their database
See alsoPlaybill person ID (not yet submitted)

Motivation[edit]

Similar information to IBDB. Please feel free to modify my proposal. There may be a way to truncate the IDs to just the number, like we did with the GENI id. I will be proposing a "Playbill person ID". We may be able to import their data fields under "pro info" such as the number of performances and the opening and closing dates, etc. RAN (talk) 21:40, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

The number-only URL, http://www.playbill.com/production/0000013170 (for your first example) does not work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:04, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

iTunes music video ID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for a music video in iTunes
RepresentsiTunes Store (Q9593)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmusic video (Q193977)
Allowed valuesregex [1-9][0-9]*, as iTunes album ID (P2281)
Example 1Eastside (Q55978266)1411766775
Example 2Michael Jackson's Thriller (Q1855666)287857650
Example 3Make You Feel My Love (Q56085848)1403555691 (594881671 in UK)
SourceiTunes website; itunes.apple.com
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/music-video/$1

Motivation[edit]

This is limited in scope due to the small number of items for music videos and the (relatively) small number of videos on iTunes, but there are at least two, and ideally items for music videos should be separate from the items for the songs because they're conceptually different entities (songs can have multiple music videos, and multiple songs can be in one music video). Jc86035 (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Gynopedia place ID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for a place (city, region or country) on the Gynopedia wiki about sexual and reproductive health care
RepresentsGynopedia (Q27688927)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainplaces (cities, regions or countries)
Allowed values[^\s\/]+
Example
Sourcehttps://gynopedia.org/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source514, with many more expected
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://gynopedia.org/$1
Robot and gadget jobsWill add to Mix'n'Match

Motivation[edit]

A wiki site with information on sexual and reproductive health care. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Thomson Reuters Business Classification (TRBC)[edit]

   Under discussion
RepresentsThomson Reuters Business Classification (Q7795893)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainorganization, company
Allowed values\d{2,10}
Example 1coal (Q24489) → 501010 (https://permid.org/1-4294952997)
Example 2gold (Q897) → 51201060 (https://permid.org/1-4294952770)
Example 3military uniform (Q1196123) → 5210101018 (https://permid.org/1-4294951858) "Military Clothing & Accessories" (closeMatch)
Example 4merchant bank (Q1921438) → 5510201015 (https://permid.org/1-4294951363)
Number of IDs in source731: 26 EconomicSector, 51 BusinessSector, 104 IndustryGroup, 234 Industry, 316 Activity (these names come from ttl)
Expected completenesseventually complete
Robot and gadget jobsSee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters_Business_Classification. Import from https://permid.org/download: "industry" eg https://permid.org/sfiles/bulkDownload/OpenPermID-bulk-industry-20180805_070415.ttl.gz (need free login)
See alsoNAICS code (P3224), PermID (P3347)

Motivation[edit]

permid offers free downloads, and we got PermID (P3347) for companies. TRBC is the industry classification used in permid.

https://permid.org/terms states that the industry values of companies are CC-NC (non-commercial license). However, TRBC itself doesn't fall under such license, indeed it's available on Wikipedia (but better to import from te ttl shown above).

It's already exposed on permid URLs (see examples above), but the hierarchical 2-10 digit TRBC code is more important. This should be "Wikidata property for authority control for industries and economic activities". Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Vladimir Alexiev: Is this an identifier in the sense of only having 1 item match an ID, or a classification as the label suggests? If the latter it probably should be string datatype (especially as we don't seem to have a formatter URL). ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@jneubert: any opinion in this? Is the classification relevant enough? -- JakobVoss (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

  • GA candidate.svg Weak support. TRBC is one of several "standard" classifications in this field. The classes themselves are already covered by PermID (P3347), which also defines a formatter URL and a RDF URI. So we would define a subset of Perm-ID, currently without linking possiblity. @Vladimir Alexiev: Are you in contact with TR? Perhaps they would be open to implement a redirect service - even if they don't consider the classification codes as suitable for persistent URIs. Jneubert (talk) 11:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Another option could be using the PermID as identifier for the property, with the classification code attached in a qualifier (which of course implies a unique item ./. ID match). That would define a PermID subset for classes/classificatin codes. That may be superior to the direct use of classification codes, which sometimes change over time. I don't know if we have similar use cases elsewhere, but I think such a property could be useful for mapping the TRBC classification to WD and to other related classifications. Jneubert (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Inventaire et Documentation du Patrimoine Culturel du Maroc (IDPCM) identifier[edit]

   Under discussion
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainQ210272
Allowed valuespc_[archeologie|architecture|mobilier|immateriel]/[idpcm|sanae|igpcm]:.{6} (maybe doesn't cover everything)
Example 1Volubilis (Q391215)pc_archeologie/idpcm:6B3D7E
Example 2Bojador Lighthouse (Q38769071)pc_architecture/sanae:350021
Example 3no label (Q41792265)pc_immateriel/igpcm:F201A8
Sourcehttp://idpc.ma
Number of IDs in source12756 (according to the website homepage)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation[edit]

Could be useful for WLM 2018 Morocco and more broadly for coverage of heritage in Morocco. @Reda Benkhadra, Jean-Frédéric: who worked a bit on that on Wikipedia and WLM.

Caveat: this is a first draft as I'm *not* a specialist of heritage in Morocco, some details may be wrong, please proofread and correct me if need before voting.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support But I ask am not sure if it would be better as four separate properties. Fralambert (talk) 00:11, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @VIGNERON: Ça serait pas mieux en 4 propriétés différente? Si je regarde de liste j'en ai 4153 dans architecture, 283 dans archeologie, 397 dans mobilier et 100 dans immateriel. Il me semble qu'il n'y a pas d'inventaire trop petit pour avoir une propriété séparé. --Fralambert (talk) 00:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
      • @Fralambert: c'est encore et toujours la même question. Personnellement, je préfère avoir les liens vers un même site dans une même propriété, et faire le tri et les contraintes en fonction ensuite mais je sais que certains préfèrent multiplier les propriétés. Au final, cela ne change pas grand'chose (une seule propriété est plus simple à gérer en entrée et plusieurs un peu plus simple en sortie) donc peu m'importe. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Reda benkhadra (talk) 18:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

MusicBrainz release ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a release in the MusicBrainz open music encyclopedia (edition)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainversion (Q3331189)
Example 1Between the Buttons (Q56055356)d05b1707-2885-4261-b0f0-4a8a23513523
Example 2Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965–1968 (Q54641059)4f970f09-69ed-47bd-85e6-daf19347f17a
Example 3Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965–1968 (Q54641193)7beb47e7-f54b-46a3-a570-7fe932f0e350
Example 4Eastside (Q55977453)48915aaf-a245-4f92-acef-b9d3610d07d2 (item also has MusicBrainz release group ID (P436), since there is only one edition)
Formatter URLhttps://musicbrainz.org/release/$1
See alsoMusicBrainz release group ID (P436), other MusicBrainz properties

Motivation[edit]

Doesn't exist yet; would be helpful for albums released in multiple editions (e.g. standard/deluxe, or different tracks in different countries). Unfortunately using this would require a lot of extra items for very similar releases (e.g. mono/stereo), but it would be necessary for tracklist (P658) to be used correctly. Jc86035 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:17, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment couldn't this be a parent property for all other MB ones? It seems that value are unique across all the properties with have.
    --- Jura 20:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
    @Jura1: The formatter URLs would break. Also, for release groups with only one release it would make sense to add both identifiers to the item which represents the release (since as far as I'm aware Wikidata uses version (Q3331189) only to distinguish works with multiple versions). Jc86035 (talk) 10:47, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
    I'm sure a solution can be could for the formatter url. Somehow these MB properties got out of the hand.
    --- Jura 05:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • wholehearted Symbol support vote.svg Support by analogy with all other MusicBrainz properties. Mahir256 (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Smallison (talk) 15:55, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose as proposed. See above.
    --- Jura 05:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    @Jura1: If you want to have one unified MusicBrainz property then propose the other MusicBrainz properties for deletion first. I don't think there's a limit on the number of properties that can exist, and different MusicBrainz IDs might have different constraints (e.g. an item might be allowed to have a recording ID as well as a work ID, but not a recording ID as well as a release group ID). Jc86035 (talk) 06:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    We can make this a parent property for anything that doesn't have a dedicated one yet. No need to delete the others first. As I understand it, there is just one MB identifier: the same value doesn't re-occur across properties.
    --- Jura 07:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Norwegian war refugees register ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionNorwegian register for refugees at Kjesæter 1940 to 1945 ID
RepresentsNorwegian war refugees to Sveden register ID (Q56088056)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values\d{5}
Example 1Kåre Willoch (Q317405)39120
Example 2Arne Fjellbu (Q2024820)32915
Example 3Knut Løfsnes (Q6423954)08346
Sourcehttps://media.digitalarkivet.no/db/contents/43434
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useas Identifier
Number of IDs in sourceover 10000
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/43434?=$1
See alsoNorwegian war sailor register person ID (P4972)

Motivering/begrunnelse[edit]

The property give an identifier for norwegian refugees to Sweden 1940 - 45, the register contains, name, date of birth and date for arrival to Sweden. (Legg inn motivering/begrunnelse for forslaget til denne egenskapen her.) Pmt (talk) 20:53, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment. Do we want to import the complete register? Many of these individuals will have no other claim to notability. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
    • The propose is intended for notable persons only. The persons given in the example are a Bishop, a communist and resistance member and a later prime minister. Pmt (talk) 19:15, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Index of Historic Collectors and Dealers of Cubism ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a person or an organization in the Index of Historic Collectors and Dealers of Cubism database
RepresentsIndex of Historic Collectors and Dealers of Cubism (Q56099104)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Allowed values[a-z](-[a-z])*
Example 1Helena Rubinstein (Q241599)rubinstein
Example 2Ambroise Vollard (Q459041)vollard
Example 3Saidenberg Gallery (Q56099147)saidenberg-gallery
Sourcehttps://www.metmuseum.org/art/libraries-and-research-centers/leonard-lauder-research-center/programs-and-resources/index-of-cubist-art-collectors
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useTemplate:Arts links (Q45312151)
Number of IDs in source165
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.metmuseum.org/art/libraries-and-research-centers/leonard-lauder-research-center/programs-and-resources/index-of-cubist-art-collectors/$1
See alsoThe Met object ID (P3634)

Motivation

This new Wikidata property related to art (Q27918607) would improve our coverage of art collector (Q10732476) and art dealer (Q173950), as well as that of Cubism (Q42934) eventually. The database is small but the content certainly valuable. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Tasmanian Heritage Register ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionTasmanian heritage place identification number
RepresentsTasmanian Heritage Register (Q21020441)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainheritage site (Q358) and (work (Q386724) or geographic location (Q2221906))
Allowed values[1-9]\d{0-4}
Example 1Hobart Town Hall (Q16892358) → 2466
Example 2St John's Anglican Church, New Town (Q29300454) → 2740
Example 3Hobart Real Tennis Club (Q5874746) → 2260
Sourcehttps://heritage.tas.gov.au/heritage-listed-places/search-the-register
Planned usematching for WLM-Australia
Number of IDs in source11977
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoAustralian Heritage Database Place ID (P3008)

Motivation[edit]

There is a big push right now to get Australian heritage items listed before WLM-Australia. 99of9 (talk) 12:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Even if the linked source page says "To complete a search: press the Ctrl button and the F button on your keyboard (hold them down together)". Bet that works well on mobile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, I've already been through the nightmare of trying to convert a 330 page PDF into a spreadsheet. I made it out the other side, and the whole table is now safely in openrefine. Their locations are easier to deal with than Western Australia where most of the locations were specified with driving distances and directions. --99of9 (talk) 13:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Moegirlpedia Chinese Article Entry[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionLink to entry of Chinese articles on Moegirlpedia
RepresentsMoegirlpedia (Q15904527)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainEverything that have an article on Moegirlpedia
Allowed valuesUnlimited unicode text string
Example 1Kantai Collection (Q14785138)舰队Collection
Example 2Vocaloid (Q550596)VOCALOID
Example 3uncanny valley (Q844664)恐怖谷理论
Example 4MiX! (Q11233151)误打误撞成了体操少女(伪)
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useAllow readers to read articles on another encyclopedia
Number of IDs in source44907 as of writing
Expected completenessIndividual songs/characters/popular terms/cards in card games probably won't be covered in wikidata but other than those they should be covered.
Formatter URLhttps://zh.moegirl.org/$1

Motivation[edit]

Sometimes entry in Chinese Wikipedia on these subjects are incomplete and it would be nice if users can be pointed to moegirlpedia to read about them when Chinese Wikipedia does not have much info C933103 (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @C933103: What about other language versions?Thank you David (talk) 09:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    • @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: The moegirlpedia also have English and Japanese editions, however there are only a few stub articles in those editions for now and thus probably not worthy to create a property for them yet. C933103 (talk) 11:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
      • @C933103: Well, but it seems to be separate versions (i.e. Several useful sites)!Why there are no Interlanguage links except in the main pages!?Thank you --David (talk) 11:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
        • What I mean is that most articles on those separate sites are stub for now. Both the English site and the Japanese site have been populated with articles about various characters from Girls' Frontline (Q24834490), but that is it. Some articles with multilingual versions on the site like "LoveLive!" do have interlanguage links, however they are real minorities.C933103 (talk) 12:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 11:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Basisklassifikation[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioncorresponding class in the Basisklassifikation library classification
RepresentsBasisklassifikation (Q29938469)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values0|1-2|3-4|5|7-8|[01234578]\d(\.\d{2})?
Example 1philosophy (Q5891)08
Example 2molecular biology (Q7202)42.13
Example 3history of Canada (Q2945)15.86
Example 4social science (Q34749)7-8
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usemapping between BK classes and Wikidata
Number of IDs in source2139
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://uri.gbv.de/terminology/bk/$1
See alsoDewey Decimal Classification (P1036), Regensburg Classification (P1150), Library of Congress Classification (P1149)

Motivation[edit]

The Basisklassifikation (Basisklassifikation (Q29938469)) is a universal library classification used in German libraries. It consists of 2.139 classes so the full mapping is expected to consist of roughly 3.000 statements (some classes may have no direct correspondence in Wikidata but a combination of multiple Wikidata items). We would like to create the mappings for library applications. For instance 33.81 is nuclear fusion (Q13082) so books about nuclear fusion can be searched via https://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=1016&SRT=YOP&TRM=BKL%20%2233.81%22. See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzerin:JakobVoss/Basisklassifikation for an incomplete set of mappings between BK and Wikipedia to start with. -- JakobVoss (talk) 12:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]