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Before proposing a property

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  3. See steps when creating properties.

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Authority control[edit]

See also Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes
Already approved properties: list

Flickr tag[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionTag used on Flickr to indicate images relating to a particular item
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterTemplate:Flickr tag inline link (Q21619988)
Domainany
Allowed values[^\s\/]+
Example 1England Delineated (5th edition) (Q52230303) -> sysnum000033859
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Sourcehttps://www.flickr.com
Planned useto add to items for British Library "Mechanical Curator" image sources; but the property would also be useful for images uploaded to Flickr in projects by eg the Internet Archive, Biodiversity History Library, Smithsonian, etc, etc.
Number of IDs in sourcePerhaps 100,000 for institutional projects, maybe more. But probably only a certain proportion of these would actually be added to items.
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/$1

Motivation

A number of digitisation projects have uploaded images to Flickr, using Flickr tags to group images from particular sources or relating to particular subjects. It would be useful to record these, and provide easy linking to the corresponding images. Jheald (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Proposed. Jheald (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 16:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose seems to be the wrong datatype if not limited to the British Library tags. String is what we use for similar (e.g. Twitter tags). If the use wont be limited to a single item, it shouldn't be an external identifier either (compare with some other classifications).
    --- Jura 18:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: It's an identifier, it's external => it ought to have an external identifier type. Much better for it to appear below the fold than cluttering up the main section of statements on an item. If you want to record whether it is generally 1-to-1 or not (and, yes, it's probably not, if one starts going beyond institutional tagging), that's what constraint statements on property pages are for. Jheald (talk) 18:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I agree with you, but that's not the conclusion from the discussion about the string datatype conversion. Besides, mere GUI things can be changed otherwise. So to be consistent with others, it should use string datatype.
      --- Jura 18:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: A particular aspect of our GUI could be changed, but in this case its unlikely -- how should the GUI distinguish string-valued statements for genuine strings that ought to appear above the fold, from string-valued statements for external identifiers, which ought to appear below the fold. Much better to make all external identifiers external-identifier valued.
Even more difficult, how are external applications supposed to recognise strings that refer to external identifers, if they are not external-identifier valued? For example, Reasonator. The value of this property ought to be in Reasonator's external links box in the right-hand column. But how is eg Reasonator supposed to know that, if the property is string-valued rather than external-identifier valued?
If other properties have been given unhelpful types, the place to start changing that is here and now. So I stand firm for making this external-identifier valued, because it is an external identifier, and I believe it is helpful to external applications to mark it as such. We should remember that "consensus can change". If external identifiers haven't been given external-identifier type, that nonsense has gone on long enough, and we should end it. :::Can you give a link to the earlier discussion on this? What were supposed to be the conclusive benefits of giving external identifiers a type other than external-identifier? Is any application in the wild relying on this distinction (as opposed to being degraded by it, like Reasonator) ? And if this is about reasonably consistent single-valuedness, why is that not more effectively indicated by the explicit constraint statements on |the property? Jheald (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
It's just not the outcome of the discussion. Datatype alone isn't necessarily a good indicator for GUI construction. Currently this mixes social media accounts of a person with third party identifiers. Depending on the presentation, this can look bad. I asked our developers to look into some of the GUI issues at Wikidata. Obviously, interface things are always top priority for them ;)
--- Jura 07:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
So for example England Delineated (5th edition) (Q52230303) -> sysnum000033859.
There's scope for perhaps up to 100,000 such categories on Commons, maybe more. Jheald (talk) 09:39, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Some background about the machine tags at https://www.flickr.com/groups/51035612836@N01/discuss/72157594497877875/ .
Not sure if we should even link to Flickr in the example. Shouldn't all these images just be on Commons? Multichill (talk) 11:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Multichill: 1. Stats: We currently have about 40,000 images on Commons from the BL scans, out of about 1 million on Flickr. For images scanned from Internet Archive books, we have about 480,000 images, out of about 5.25 million on Flickr. We have about about 250,000 images from the BHL, out of an unknown number, mostly linked directly to the BHL website, though copies may exist on Flickr via the IA.
The issue with these pix (and the reason for those counts) is that metadata for these images is generally very very weak, generally extending no further than title, author, publisher, and date of the book the image was extracted from -- ie most usually nothing about what might be actually depicted in the image. Also, many of the images frankly aren't very interesting or of very high quality. For that reason the Commons community originally outright vetoed a bulk upload of all the BL images; instead those that have been uploaded have been uploaded selectively, and hand-curated by editors as they went along. Regarding the IA images, Fae has systematically uploaded those above a certain size, and left the rest. So that's why, in both of these cases, there are a lot more images still on Flickr than those so far copied to Commons.
Should we copy over the rest, particularly in view of Flickr's recent change of ownership, previous precarious financial position, and the recent repositioning of some other image platforms to turn against Commons images? Perhaps, but in the case of both the IA and the BL, we know where these images came from, we are on good terms with the institutions, and we could almost certainly obtain the images on hard drives if anything calamitous did happen at Flickr. So there is probably no pressing reason to change existing Commons practice. (Though I do still hope to upload 50,000 of the BL images that depict maps, for which currently underway). But it would be useful to be able to systematically link to the corresponding image-sets on Flickr, from Commons categories for books, to see what other images may be available.
2. Machine tags. Is there a Dutch translation of the English Q7691305? Perhaps with a nice informative illustrative painting by Jan Steen (Q205863) ? :-)
Yes, I know what machine tags are. The metadata improvement project for the map images has even been systematically adding them. But there are a number of problems with them, the first being that they are hardly used, so Flickr doesn't really care about making sure that software updates don't break them. There are a number of ways of constructing Flickr URLs with them that one would feel ought to work, but then strangely don't. Even if a URL template can be made to work this year, that's no guarantee as to whether it would still work next year. In contrast the simpler regular tags tend to be more bulletproof. Also the machine tags and/or the searches for them munge spaces and punctuation in various ways, making it difficult to use many existing identifiers as machine tags.
But the real point is that, for what I really want, namely to return all the images from a particular book, the images already have tags for this, systematically added by the BL and the IA when the images were uploaded, so those are the tags I'm interested in. Nobody is going to take the time and bandwidth to add machine tags to 6.25 million images, simply to duplicate information that is already there. It's the current established regular tags for books and book-volumes from the BL and the IA that one would want to link to. Jheald (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support by analogy with other tag properties created and proposed, though it is very clearly evident that concerns about their creation overlap greatly at least when it comes to their datatype and their general worthiness of inclusion. On this former point, until we all agree to recast Twitter hashtag (P2572) as an external identifier, I support this property's creation as a string; on the worthiness of its inclusion, I sometimes wonder, given many of the examples presented here and elsewhere, whether a single unified 'tag' property is in order, seeing as most of them pertain to exactly the same topic whether viewed on Twitter, Instagram, Gfycat, or Flickr. Mahir256 (talk) 15:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I'm a bit unsure: this is very similar to Twitter hashtag (P2572) but there are differences. Tags are no identifiers, so the datatype should be string, but tags serve a similar purpose like identifiers. Flickr tags were one of the first popular instances of folksonomy (Q494291), that's why I support this proposal. There are several more tagging applications, (e.g. see https://www.librarything.com/tag/archaeology) and we don't want properties for all of them but this must be decided case by case. -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Benefit of the doubt, doesn't harm imo so:
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I'm a mergist, but tendency in occasion as this include Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

CETAF specimen ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionpersistent identifier URL for a taxonomic specimen, compliant with the Consortium of European Taxonomic Facilities Stable Identifier Initiative
Data typeURL
Domaintaxon type specimens (+other notable specimens, if any)
Example 1item for the type specimen of Cinnamomum bejolghota (Q2972821)http://herbarium.bgbm.org/object/B100277113
Example 2item for the type specimen of Harpagoxenus sublaevis (Q309349)http://id.luomus.fi/GL.749
Example 3item for the type specimen of Carabus lusitanicus brevis (Q5037464)https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/ec/item/ec32
SourceConsortium of European Taxonomic Facilities (Q5163385)
Number of IDs in sourcemany thousands, eventually millions
Expected completenesseventually complete

Motivation

As noted on Wikispecies:

the Consortium of European Taxonomic Facilities has created a system of persistent identifiers for type specimens (https://cetaf.org/cetaf-stable-identifiers). The intension is that the URI to the specimen will remain stable indefinitely, so we can link to type specimens without fear that the link will break.

The CETAF initiative creates "a joint Linked Open Data (LOD) compliant identifier system". The particpating institutions include the Royal Botanic Garden of Edinburgh, the Museum für Naturkunde, Berlin, The Natural History Museum, London, the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew and the Royal Museum for Central Africa. Additional information can be found at the CETAF Stable Identifier Initiative Wiki.

AIUI, the intention is that data about type specimens should be stored on an item about the specimen, not the item about the taxon. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

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Discussion

Symbol support vote.svg SupportTom.Reding (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - better to use links to the actual specimen in the holding museum, not a third party. Most holding museums are major organisations with stable websites. This is adding an extra step for mistakes. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    • CETAF IDs are in fact exactly what you advocate i.e. links to the specimens in the holding museum not a third party. CETAF is acting more as a standardisation body to get the museums to produce URLs with similar behaviours - basically Linked Data URIs with some agreed metadata attached. RogerHyam (talk) 15:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
      • No they are not, they are an unreviewed third party and this is problematic in nomenclature which requires serious review and checking prior to publication, ie peer review. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:33, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Faendalimas: The three examples given above are:

  1. http://herbarium.bgbm.org/object/B100277113
  2. http://id.luomus.fi/GL.749
  3. https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/ec/item/ec32

For each of those three cases, please tell us which "third party" is being linked to? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I did not say linked to, I said obtained from, and that it is a non reviewed assessment hence unchecked by scientific rigor. In anycase the first one has a second url on the page which is the museum whether its the correct specimen I do not know, the second is possibly linking to the correct specimen without evidence to show its correct, the third is a dead link for me so I cannot tell what its supposed to do. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 03:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: What you said was "better to use links to the actual specimen in the holding museum, not a third party". Furthermore, when told "CETAF IDs are in fact exactly what you advocate i.e. links to the specimens in the holding museum... CETAF is acting more as a standardisation body to get the museums to produce URLs with similar behaviours - basically Linked Data URIs with some agreed metadata attached.", you replied "No they are not". [I've fixed the third link, in my comment; it was always correct in the proposal template.] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I do not have an issue with the links. Its the authority of the information. I meant not "from" a third party. (If you copy and pasted my previous statement, I did not look, I must have left that word out, apologies for that). As in not obtaining the information from a third party. Rather than from the source. What I am getting at is that the information needs to be peer reviewed which online resources are not. I did figure there was a mistake in the url above I assumed you would fix it. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:16, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I think this proposal needs some thorough investigations. According to CETAF Stable Identifiers the following 15 CETAF institutions implemented this kind

  1. Botanic Garden and Botanical Museum Berlin-Dahlem (Q163255)
  2. Finnish Museum of Natural History (Q3329689)
  3. Institute of Botany (Q30255205)
  4. Museum of Natural History Berlin (Q233098)
  5. Muséum national d'histoire naturelle (Q838691)
  6. Naturalis (Q641676)
  7. Natural History Museum (Q309388)
  8. Natural History Museum at the University of Oslo (Q1840963)
  9. Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh (Q1807521)
  10. Kew Gardens (Q188617)
  11. State Museum of Natural History Stuttgart (Q2324612)
  12. Bavarian Natural History Collections (Q2324459)
  13. Museum Koenig (Q510343)
  14. Meise Botanic Garden (Q3052500)
  15. Royal Museum for Central Africa (Q779703)

So how could we restrict this URI to this institutions. Most of the URIs will not represent a type specimen (Q51255340). How to use this URIs here? Next week I will try to have a closer look to the 5,5 million URIs provided by the Muséum national d'histoire naturelle. --Succu (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

In the current MNHN dataset of ca. 5.5 million specimens 107,867 have a "typeStatus": type (Q3707858) = 27,277; syntype (Q719822) = 18,148; holotype (Q1061403) = 14,454; isosyntype (Q55195195) = 2,798; lectotype (Q2439719) = 2,521. --Succu (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Some problems with the current MNHN dataset I observed:
The dataset contains holotypes for family names
The dataset has multiple holotypes for a taxon, e.g. Cyathea rouhaniana (Q17037631) = P00411818 to P00411823
The dataset uses "decimalLatitude" and "decimalLongitude" without "coordinatePrecision". "verbatimCoordinates" or "verbatimLatitude" and "verbatimLongitude" are not given. --Succu (talk) 08:08, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
--Succu (talk) 18:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support Excited by this. Would be willing to help with automated populating property. --RogerHyam (talk) 15:22, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Roger, nice to see you here. If I understand the proposal right, it involves the creation of items to get taxonomic type (P427) working. So we need to define how to map the metadata values to our properties. I created P01069419 (Q55196248), P01069417 (Q55197790) and holotype of Ouratea sipaliwiniensis (Q55200035) as a base for discussions. --Succu (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
I'd rather not get into recreating nomenclature. It is a intellectual exercise akin to the jigsaw puzzle in Laura & Hardy "Me and My Pal" (YouTube) - We will be at each others throats and the biodiversity of the world destroyed before we finish the task. Really a type relationship has to include literature and a lot of complexity that is of use to a small specialist audience and just confuses everyone else. If someone wants to know the type of a taxon they can read the literature in the Taxon Name (Property:P225).
It appears Wikidata is building a single consensus taxonomy. If we had a single property that was "has Voucher Specimen" or similar then we could add properties to taxa based on the identifications by experts in museums. e.g. Q557928 "has Voucher Specimen" http://data.rbge.org.uk/herb/E00590786 would be possible. Perhaps I should be proposing a different property but I'm new to the wikidata thing. RogerHyam (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata is not building a single consensus taxonomy. The contrary is true. A lot of users have difficulties to accept this. ;) --Succu (talk) 17:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Succu. Could you give an examples of multiple taxa (taxon concepts) with the same full scientific name in Wikidata. I'm a bit ignorant on this and need to understand how it is being represented. RogerHyam (talk) 08:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
E.g. we implemented APG I to IV. See the references for parent taxon (P171) at Cactaceae (Q14560): Maybe this is not exactly what you expected. Please note note this discussion too. --Succu (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I'm not sure that the name of the property is good. It may be better to have it as "Museum Specimen ID" or "Voucher Specimen ID" and then have a recommendation that these are CETAF compliant URIs. This way we can have stable links to many specimens that have been determined to belong to a taxon by experts and, if people are good with their data markup, most of these will be expandable into images and geolocations etc. RogerHyam (talk) 15:21, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment that this is already so confused shows why this is not a good idea in concept. You cannot call the type specimen a voucher specimen or a museum specimen per se. Yes a type is both of those but so are many other specimens. The type is a special case of a voucher or museum specimen as it is the only specimen that the available name of a taxon is attached to. No other specimen has this. It is the specimen upon which the name is established. It has major import. I agree it is only of major interest to a specialist minority, ie taxonomists mostly, but you cannot undervalue it, nor have it proposed in a way that any museum specimen or voucher could be called this. Only the original description or a peer reviewed taxonomic review should be used as the reference of the type specimen. As such they should be listed with reference to these articles and only this way. Then there is a clear reference. Online resources are not reviewed as such and are not reliable when it comes to types. This will introduce potential error in this area of nomenclature that is extremely exacting. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I created P01069419 (Q55196248) from the details given in Novitates neocaledonicae V: Eugenia plurinervia N. Snow, Munzinger & Callm. (Myrtaceae), a new threatened species with distinct leaves (Q55196032) ("Typus: New Caledonia. Prov. Nord: Ouazangou-Taom, Onajiele, 165 m, 20°46’43’’S 164°27’59’’E, 20.III.2016, Munzinger (leg. Scopetra) 7530 (holo- : P [P01069419]! ; iso- : G [G00341659]!, MO!, MPU [MPU310532]!, NOU [NOU054468]!, NSW!, P [P01069420]!)"). The applied changes by Mr. Mabbett now give the impression the data are taken form the MNHN record. --Succu (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
If you don't give references when you make claims, don't complain when someone else adds a valid citation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The item was created to discuss mappings (= data model). If you had checked your reference you should have noticed some differences. --Succu (talk) 18:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The item was created without citations. I added them. If you think I acted improperly, you know where the admin noticeboard is. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I corrected my omission. --Succu (talk) 20:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
But it was reverted with the comment o restore coordinates, as previsouly?! --Succu (talk) 20:15, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
No; it was reverted with the comment "to restore coordinates, as previously"; and that was because, as well as your declared reason for editing, you also - yet again - re-added coordinates saying that the object is in New Caledonia, on the opposite side of the planet to its actual current location. Hence Wikidata:Project_chat#Coordinates_of_objects_in_museums. None of which, of course, has anything to do with the proposal at hand. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
You proposed this change. Im OK with this. --Succu (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

You are moving a bit fast for me to keep up, so please forgive my request for clarifications. Also, please forgive my lack is wiki etiquet if this is the wrong place for these comments.

It would be fantastic to load up all our typification information from the Meise Botanic Garden to Wikidata, but can you point me to a place that describes how?
In this property proposal there are no authority names. This is essential due to homonyms, but where possible they should be linked to people somewhere. However, does this cause problems when linking these data to other Latin names in Wikis that don't use authorities?
I’m sure there are errors in the data, such as there being two holotypes, fixing these is a motivation to expose the data. Does this work for you?
There also needs to be a field that tells you what sort of type it is holo-, lecto, iso, para, neo, etc. Do you want a full list?
The National Botanic Garden of Belgium changed its name a while ago, can I just edited this wikidata entry?

Qgroom (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I wish there was an easy answer to this. I would love to see a proposal that actually did types the way they should be, with all the appropriate metadata included, utilising the correct terminology as accepted in the science and discipline of taxonomy and nomenclature. Alas we do not get this we get rather hit and miss efforts. If someone wants to try and create a property with all the needed attributes, obtaining data from reliable resources I would be happy to help. The same types of properties I create already in museum databases as a museum curator. The same ones I already use as highly published taxonomist and a nomenclatural specialist. You want us to use this material at Wikispecies Andy?? then do it right. I would support this if it was done correctly Andy. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 04:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I think there are a few people in the CETAF community who could help get this right. Though personally I find it difficult to discuss these things in a chat page and I'm not sure how decisions are made here. Nevertheless, I'd really like to make this happen. Qgroom (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
"I would love to see a proposal that actually did types the way they should be, with all the appropriate metadata included" Then you are in the wrong place. This is a proposal to create a property to hold one type of identifier-URL. The only arguments you have presented about it are either easily refuted (see "third party links" discussion, above. or are merely vague hand -waving and appeals to authority, with no substance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
My comment here was a generalized one only brought up in reference to the above comment. Its not a direct reference to the proposal here at hand. So yes I know this is not the right place. I think the whole structure of how types are presented is inadequate. My point was that unfortunately many proposals are attempts to gather information from online resources for ease of mass import with no respect to the exacting nature of taxonomic data and metadata permitting potential mistakes. These online resources are not authorities on the taxonomy of species. What is the point of data if there is no evidence inherit that demonstrates it has been tested for accuracy. For taxonomic data I want to see us produce useful information not page upon page of unreliable rubbish. Your difficulty Andy is you do not use this information. You are presenting it, but not using it. Much of the informatics being presented, not necessarily by you I am generalizing now, has no guarantee, therefore it has no use in taxonomy. So what is it then except page upon page of what exactly? Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Qgroom: for "a field that tells you what sort of type it is", please see P01069419 (Q55196248); but note also the issues with that data model, which I have raised here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I think I get it. So in your example P01069419 (Q55196248) you would replace the URL (P2699) with this proposed CETAF specimen ID property.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qgroom (talk • contribs) at 15:29, 27 June 2018‎ (UTC).
@Qgroom: Precisely. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Could you please explain why this substitution is useful? What we (=Wikidata) gain from this change? --Succu (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I suppose the question is why we need a subcategory of URL that is specific to CETAF specimen ID. Well from my point of view, which is quite ignorant of the workings of Wikidata, having the distinction is useful because the CETAF specimen ID points to a great level of stability and functionality than a standard URL. I'm not certain this is entirely necessary, however, it is particularly useful to have one URI that uniquely represents the digital representation of the physical specimen. People could link to many different image files or website all representing that specimen. These might be labelled in all sorts of ways and be derived from all sorts of places. Yet it is much better that there is only one standard way to refer to the physical specimen. Qgroom (talk) 13:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Scott. --Succu (talk) 21:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

It's about a lot unanswered questions raised above. --Succu (talk)

missing VIAF components[edit]

Go to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control#Breakdown_of_VIAF_Links_per_Source, sort by col "property" and look for "!!!". This shows VIAF sources that don't have corresponding WD properties (which should be marked as VIAF component (Q26921380)).

This includes:

  • National Library of Luxembourg
  • National Library of Estonia
  • National Library of Lebanon
  • National Library of Morocco
  • National Library of Iceland (NULI)
  • Perseus (ancient places)
  • Syriac Reference Portal
  • Flemish Public Libraries

The total number of ids is about 250k. I haven't researched whether these authority datasest are available online. Do you think we should create properties for them? Any volunteers to help me with the research?

Also: do you think we should add col "code" to WD in some way? A few of these are available as third-party formatter URL (P3303), but most aren't. It took me a few hours to correlate all VIAF-component sources against WD, and it wasn't fun.

--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 16:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

ANZSRC FoR ID[edit]

   Done
DescriptionAustralia and New Zealand Standard Research Classification 2008 identifier for a field of research
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainresearch topics
Allowed values[1-9]\d{1,5}
Example 1medical and health science (Q56679322) → 11
Example 2dentistry (Q12128) → 1105
Example 3oral and maxillofacial surgery (Q504033) → 110504
Sourcehttp://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/6BB427AB9696C225CA2574180004463E?opendocument
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation[edit]

Requested by delegates at the Australasian Research Management Society Conference: "two- and four-digit Fields of Research (FoRs) codes as identified in the Australia and New Zealand Standard Research Classification (ANZSRC) 2008 released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics and Statistics New Zealand. The ANZSRC provides 22 two-digit FoR codes, 157 four-digit FoR codes, and an extensive range of six-digit codes." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 02:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Løøv classification[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionclassification system for Sami works
RepresentsLøøv classification (Q56686338)
Data typeString
Domainwork (Q386724)
Allowed values([01]\d|2[01])[a-k](1[ab]|[1-7])?
Example 1oai:urm_publish:99000073873470220111d3, 04e
Example 2oai:urm_publish:99000149748470220115a, 15i
Example 3oai:urm_publish:99000150010470220108b
Sourcehttps://www.nb.no/baser/samisk/klassifikasjon.html ; http://bibsys.alma.exlibrisgroup.com/view/oai/47BIBSYS_NETWORK/request?verb=ListRecords&metadataPrefix=marc21&set=samisk
Planned useI will use this when importing the Sami bibliography (around 26,000 works) to Wikidata
Robot and gadget jobsAll works with this classification will be added by bot

Motivering/begrunnelse[edit]

I am working on importing the Sami bibliography from the Norwegian National Library (around 26,000 works) to Wikidata. Almost all of the works use this classification system in addition to Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036), so I think it would be good to have this as its own property to get as much completeness as possible to the imported items. Since I haven't started the import yet, the examples don't link to existing items, but to the entries for books from the bibliography in their API. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 02:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 18:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Pmt (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Waiting for Qids in the examples to create the property. (Also, was a bot request filed for these 26,000 works? Or any other sign of consensus for inclusion?) − Pintoch (talk) 11:53, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
    • @Jon Harald Søby (WMNO): marking as not ready − Pintoch (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
      • @Pintoch: Sorry, I forgot to reply here when you first posted. I've been waiting to start a bot request until this property is created, because then everything would be ready for the script to start importing. But I can work around that and create some test items without this property included, so I will start a bot request shortly. Jon Harald Søby (WMNO) (talk) 12:49, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

OpenStreetMap wiki ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionQ-ID in the OpenStreetMap wikibase
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem, property
Allowed valuesQ[1-9]\d*
Example 1bridge (Q12280)Q103
Example 2brewery (Q131734)Q102
Example 3ferry (Q25653)Q273
Sourcehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=120
Expected completenesseventually complete
Formatter URLhttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:$1
See alsoOSM tag or key (P1282)

Motivation[edit]

--Mfchris84 (talk) 12:39, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment should this replace OSM tag or key (P1282) as it probably would be available for any of them? --- Jura 16:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral @Jura1: As I can see now, the OSM wikibase contains only key and tag values (up to now?). Before there is no further development at OpenStreetMap e.g. to include other entities in their wikibase, it probably make less sense to create a new wikidata property, except of an advantages in a multilingual use case. Mfchris84 (talk) 05:28, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support NMaia (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment about Property:P1282, not understand why duplicate here... Please explain.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krauss (talk • contribs) at 01:48, 2 October 2018‎ (UTC).
@Krauss: as i explained above, unless osm wikibase contains other items/concepts than tags or keys, this property isn't useful. Mfchris84 (talk) 09:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment SPARQL federation might be a better way to integrate them: Wikidata:SPARQL_federation_input. --- Jura 17:52, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 15:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per above. --- Jura 14:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves ZEOs ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionunique ID for the Zamenhof-Esperanto objects included in Wiki Loves ZEOs' list
RepresentsWiki Loves ZEOs (Q56703611)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainZamenhof-Esperanto object (Q75762)
Example 1Zamenhofstraat (Q18950696) → nl-001
Example 2Esperanto memorial (Q12347248) → at-008
Example 3Bona Espero (Q201017) → br-002
SourceCommons:Commons:Wiki Loves ZEOs 2018/Lists
See alsoWiki Loves Monuments ID (P2186)

NMaia (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

MIAR ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of a journal in MIAR
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmagazine->magazine (Q41298)
Allowed valuesthe value is the same that ISSN
Example 1Comunicar (Q30002251) -> ISSN = 1134-3478 -> MIAR = http://miar.ub.edu/issn/1134-3478
Example 2RED. Revista de Educación a Distancia (Q50814551) -> ISSN = 1578-7680 -> MIAR = http://miar.ub.edu/issn/1578-7680
Example 3Revista de Educación Inclusiva (Q50667863) -> ISSN = 1989-4643 -> MIAR = http://miar.ub.edu/issn/1989-4643
Sourcehttp://miar.ub.edu/issn/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useI have a bot, i'll put the MIAR ID in the magazines
Formatter URLhttp://miar.ub.edu/issn/$1

Motivación[edit]

In eswiki we have a template to put the MIAR external link, but we are deleting this kind of templates to put all of them inside Template:Authority control. Vanbasten 23 (talk) 21:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment It is apparently the very same situation as in Directory of Open Access Journals ID (P5115) (that one was OK, why?). No, it's not enough assigning that url in P236 because not every periodical with a ISSN is indexed in MIAR. I'm not a big fan of the P5115 solution, but people pushed for it, probably because they want a clickable link here (?). You can always store the fact of a journal being indexed in MIAR this way (catalog (P972)-> MIAR (Q24033617)) and fix the module to use that data in wikipedia combined with P236 value. strakhov (talk) 23:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment You can use it as source for ISSN:
RED. Revista de Educación a Distancia (Q50814551) -> ISSN = 1578-7680 -> S854 = http://miar.ub.edu/issn/1578-7680
See for example Q57315347
--Gerwoman (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
But I don't understand why DOAJ can have its own Directory of Open Access Journals ID (P5115), and MIAR cannot. Why some repositories do, and others do not. Some have a statement and others are entered as a source. There isn't uniform criterion for these decisions. Thanks. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 23:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

New York Times article ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionshort URL for a New York Times article
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuesregex [a-zA-Z0-9]+
Example 1I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration (Q56488792)2CyF3Jh
Example 2Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader. (Q48342255)2EIbKzZ
Example 3The Slut-Shaming of Nikki Haley (Q48344584)2FtInln
Example 4Barack Obama and Me (Q58450190)2hJcqMP
SourceHTML of nytimes.com
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://nyti.ms/$1
See alsoNYT topic ID (P3221)

Motivation[edit]

The New York Times is, by most measures, one of the most important newspapers in the world.

While online NYT articles seem to have at least two internal identifiers other than the long URL (the op-ed also has QXJ0aWNsZTpueXQ6Ly9hcnRpY2xlLzM4MGM0MGZhLWU5ZGYtNTg3Mi05NTcxLWUzMmUyZDBjNjYxMw==.legacy), this one seems to be the most useful for Wikidata to record since it forms a working URL.

Presumably this property would be used on items about NYT articles themselves (or within references), and the items would be notable as a result of being used as sources on other items. Jc86035 (talk) 14:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment About how many NY Times articles have wikidata items? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per w:en:URL shortening#Shortcomings and meta:Spam blacklist#URL shorteners. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:20, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Visite fortuitement prolongée, Pigsonthewing: Most of the concerns in the article don't actually apply, since nyti.ms isn't a public URL shortening service and presumably nyti.ms URLs are only generated by the New York Times for its own articles; most numeric and alphanumeric identifier systems obscure their subjects; .ms is the TLD for Montserrat, a British overseas territory (censorship unlikely); Wikidata can choose not to block the domain (and it doesn't); and the domain is registered under the New York Times Company. I would only be worried about the durability of the identifiers, but that is a concern for basically any URL. The domain is apparently run by bit.ly (or at least it was in 2009), but it has also lasted more than nine years so far and the domain is owned by the NYT itself. I don't think it's that different to other external IDs in Wikidata. Jc86035 (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Visite fortuitement prolongée. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Well, seems fine to me, especially to link to over 2000 items. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I did not know that the New York Times was based in Montserrat. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 14:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Visite fortuitement prolongée: I meant that the domain had been registered with the TLD/country code for Montserrat, and it seems overseas companies are generally allowed to register .ms domains. Jc86035 (talk) 07:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question Why create a property for shortened URL and not use URL (P2699) or full work available at (P953)? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 14:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC), 15:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Visite fortuitement prolongée: It really depends on whether we think this is worth storing. The short URLs are potentially more durable than the longer URLs, and it's possible that either set of links could be broken in the future. Other news sites might assign their articles a numerical ID and stick a bunch of keywords into the URL for SEO, so that links with other text before/after the number redirect correctly to the article; in those cases it might also be beneficial to store the ID separately. There are definitely more than 200 NYT articles so it seems reasonable to create a property for it, particularly since NYT articles may be published elsewhere (e.g. articles with PubMed identifiers; syndicated articles by news agencies). Jc86035 (talk) 07:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
    Surely the URL property can take more than one value, so I am unclear why this couldn't be added there. Or, if it is useful to distinguish, should there be a general property for an item's short url, if that's the issue? Dominic (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The Guardian article ID (P6085), the equivalent to this property for The Guardian (Q11148), has been created. Jc86035 (talk) 15:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Does NYT refer to this anywhere as an identifier, or is it purely a string found in the URLs and we are inferring it is used as an identifier? Is there evidence this string unlikely to change or go away in the same way as unique identifier? At the very least, I am uncomfortable inventing a name for an identifier that is not used as such in the real world, and would call this "New York Times short URL code" or something like that. Dominic (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
    @Dominic: As with The Guardian article ID (P6085), if both the short URLs and long URLs work correctly, I would think that they are equally valid as identifiers. The 2009 article announcing the launch of the short URLs doesn't refer to them as stable identifiers, although if the links continue to function then they will obviously remain unique. Jc86035 (talk) 18:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
    Sure, I get that. I think there is a difference in meaning between a randomly generated code used in generating short URLs and an identifier in the authority control sense (which is how this seems to be proposed). Technically, every web property's URLs are unique, since that's how the web operates. But that does not make them identifiers. Dominic (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
    @Dominic: Is there much of a technical distinction between this and, say, ASIN (P5749) or YouTube video ID (P1651), other than that the others don't redirect? Almost all numerical/hexadecimal identifiers on Wikidata are either randomly or chronologically assigned; and the NYT servers that operate the short URLs could arguably be called (and would probably have to contain) a database. Jc86035 (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Url's are good enough for the purpose and I don't see the need to add article ID urls for all sorts of newswebsites. ChristianKl❫ 13:50, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    @ChristianKl: ... so should The Guardian article ID (P6085) be proposed for deletion? Jc86035 (talk) 14:26, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    I don't think that property should exist either. ChristianKl❫ 14:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Microsoft Academic ID[edit]

Descriptionidentifier for published work in Microsoft Academic
RepresentsMicrosoft Academic (Q28136779)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaincreative work (Q17537576), human (Q5), organization (Q43229), publication (Q732577) and more
Allowed values[1-9]\d{7,9}
Example 1Computational analysis of deposition and translocation of inhaled nicotine and acrolein in the human body with e-cigarette puffing topographies (Q58132177)2792937454
Example 2Doping silica beyond limits with laser plasma for active photonic materials (Q58420606)2206799855
Example 3Networks, Complexity and Internet Regulation (Q58622482)1498221862
Example 4Nature (Q180445)137773608
Example 7International Conference on Communications (Q6049597)1130451194
Example 8Paul Emery (Q19859634)2144675545
Example 9University of Leeds (Q503424)130828816
Example 10Goethe University Frankfurt (Q50662)114090438
Example 11Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Q49108)63966007
Example 12IBM (Q37156)1341412227
Sourcehttps://academic.microsoft.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source209,792,741 works, 25,431 institutions, 48,647 Journals, 4,336 Conferences, ...
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://academic.microsoft.com/#/detail/$1
See alsoproposals for Google Knowledge Graph ID (P2671)

Motivation[edit]

Connect Wikidata to the Microsoft Academic Knowledge Graph. Like the proposals above for Dimensions properties, this will help to disambiguate authors and identify related items. Microsoft Academic (Q28136779) is free and offers API access to the graph. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 05:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose identifier scheme seems to be the same for all four proposals. Just make one for all four. --- Jura 08:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support having distinct identifiers is good practice and will help enforce more meaningful constraints, keep track of coverage for each type, add third-party resolvers which might only work for a given type. − Pintoch (talk) 11:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I suppose you mean properties, not identifiers. No it's not good practice to split an identifier among different properties merely because one doesn't want to use complex constraints. --- Jura 09:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. ··· Rachmat04 · 07:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I hadn't noticed that the formatter URL is the same for all 4 proposed ID's - I think it would make some sense to combine them, even though as Pintoch notes above there are some downsides. I'd be ok either way. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
    • The proposal is intended to be for "paper" - do you think this is the correct scope for a property?. It would be helpful if you would state which identifiers are not covered by the proposals if you think it is necessary to discuss them at this time. Would this lack of coverage be a problem if we just made a single identifier as you suggested above? Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 21:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
      • If you do a single property, all of their entity types are covered. --- Jura 08:14, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Good point. I think complete coverage of the entity types does make a single property a better option than the four properties I proposed. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 10:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl❫ 14:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @ChristianKl, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Rachmat04: It seems to me that there is a preference (including from the proposer) for one single property for all types (see other proposals), so I have merged all proposals into this one and will create this property soon unless there are is any opposition. − Pintoch (talk) 16:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Pintoch, Rachmat04, Jura1: ✓ Done: Microsoft Academic ID (P6366). − Pintoch (talk) 14:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Microsoft Academic Source ID[edit]

   Not done
Descriptionidentifier for a academic journal, book series or conference proceedings in Microsoft Academic
RepresentsMicrosoft Academic (Q28136779)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpublication (Q732577)
Allowed values\d{8,10}
Example 1Nature (Q180445)137773608
Example 2PLoS ONE (Q564954)202381698
Example 3Lecture Notes in Computer Science (Q924044)106296714
Example 4International Conference on Communications (Q6049597)1130451194
Sourcehttps://academic.microsoft.com/
Number of IDs in source48,647 Journals, 4,336 Conferences
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://academic.microsoft.com/#/detail/$1
See alsoproposals for Google Knowledge Graph ID (P2671)
VIAF ID (P214)

Motivation[edit]

Connect Wikidata to the Microsoft Academic Knowledge Graph. Like the proposals above for Dimensions properties, this will help to disambiguate authors and identify related items. Microsoft Academic (Q28136779) is free and offers API access to the graph. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 06:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose identifier scheme seems to be the same for all four proposals. Just make one for all four. --- Jura 08:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support having distinct identifiers is good practice and will help enforce more meaningful constraints, keep track of coverage for each type, add third-party resolvers which might only work for a given type. − Pintoch (talk) 11:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I suppose you mean properties, not identifiers. No it's not good practice to split an identifier among different properties merely because one doesn't want to use complex constraints. --- Jura 09:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment looks like the website is having issues - all the examples lead to error pages for me (for a few days at least) − Pintoch (talk) 22:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question is this what they call "venues" (=journals, conference series) or also "events" (conference instances)? From the frequencies, "venues" seems likely. What happens with events? --- Jura 11:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Yes, it is proposed as an identifier for journals and conferences series. Conference instances would be handled like journal volumes i.e. the volume (or instance) number and date of occurrence would be stored in the metadata of each paper published in the conference series. How would this be modelled if we have only a single identifier? Can you provide an example of the constraints that could be applied please? Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 21:25, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
      • In their logic, each conference has an identifier. This way the item for the conference can hold the identifier. A single property has the advantage that single-value constraint and distinct-value constraints can be applied reliably. Similarly, if we split VIAF into several Wikidata properties, we couldn't be sure that the same identifier isn't used in several properties. --- Jura 08:20, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl❫ 14:37, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Jura1: I prefer a single property--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  •  Not done, use Microsoft Academic ID (P6366)Pintoch (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Microsoft Academic Author ID[edit]

   Not done
Descriptionidentifier for authors in Microsoft Academic
RepresentsMicrosoft Academic (Q28136779)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values\d{8,10}
Example 1Paul Emery (Q19859634)2144675545
Example 2Jürgen Habermas (Q76357)2038147313
Example 3Noam Chomsky (Q9049)2049461923
Sourcehttps://academic.microsoft.com/
Number of IDs in source253,401,752 authors
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://academic.microsoft.com/#/detail/$1
See alsoproposals for

Motivation[edit]

Connect Wikidata to the Microsoft Academic Knowledge Graph. Like the proposals above for Dimensions properties, this will help to disambiguate authors and identify related items. Microsoft Academic (Q28136779) is free and offers API access to the graph. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 06:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose identifier scheme seems to be the same for all four proposals. Just make one for all four. --- Jura 08:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support having distinct identifiers is good practice and will help enforce more meaningful constraints, keep track of coverage for each type, add third-party resolvers which might only work for a given type. − Pintoch (talk) 11:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I suppose you mean properties, not identifiers. No it's not good practice to split an identifier among different properties merely because one doesn't want to use complex constraints. --- Jura 09:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · 07:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment looks like the website is having issues - all the examples lead to error pages for me (for a few days at least) − Pintoch (talk) 22:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
    Ça ne marche toujours pas, chez toi, Pintoch ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:17, 27 December 2018 (UTC).
    It only works with Chromium (Chrome), but not with Firefox. − Pintoch (talk) 18:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

*: Same for me... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:39, 27 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Odd...: it now works. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC).
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment this was marked as ready but ArthurPSmith, Sic19 and Jura1 have expressed a preference for just one property for all types - should we create this as a generic property then? − Pintoch (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl❫ 14:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I vote for single property as per Jura1. Please note that
    • a lot if these author entries are duplicates. Eg I had about 15 entries until I "claimed" them and MAG merged them.
    • MAG has 225k (!) Machine-learned hierarchical Fields of Science --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:49, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  •  Not done, use Microsoft Academic ID (P6366)Pintoch (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Microsoft Academic Institution ID[edit]

   Not done
Descriptionidentifier for an institution in Microsoft Academic
RepresentsMicrosoft Academic (Q28136779)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainorganization (Q43229)
Allowed values\d{8,10}
Example 1University of Leeds (Q503424)130828816
Example 2Goethe University Frankfurt (Q50662)114090438
Example 3Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Q49108)63966007
Example 4IBM (Q37156)1341412227
Sourcehttps://academic.microsoft.com/
Number of IDs in source25,431 institutions
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://academic.microsoft.com/#/detail/$1
See alsoproposals for

Motivation[edit]

Connect Wikidata to the Microsoft Academic Knowledge Graph. Like the proposals above for Dimensions properties, this will help to disambiguate authors and identify related items. Microsoft Academic (Q28136779) is free and offers API access to the graph. Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 06:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I didn't know they had such id's, that sounds useful. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose identifier scheme seems to be the same for all four proposals. Just make one for all four. --- Jura 08:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support very interested to see how this compares with our existing institution ids for scholarly affiliations. Having distinct identifiers for each type is good practice and will help enforce more meaningful constraints, keep track of coverage for each type, add third-party resolvers which might only work for a given type. − Pintoch (talk) 11:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I suppose you mean properties, not identifiers. No it's not good practice to split an identifier among different properties merely because one doesn't want to use complex constraints. --- Jura 09:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment looks like the website is having issues - all the examples lead to error pages for me (for a few days at least) − Pintoch (talk) 22:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The Power of Semantic Search: between the Top 10 Institutions in Philosophy, Bosch is the 6th and Siemens the 7th. --Gerwoman (talk) 10:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl❫ 14:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Jura1 --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  •  Not done, use Microsoft Academic ID (P6366)Pintoch (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

HABS ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier assigned by the Historic American Buildings Survey
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuestext
Example 1Georgetown Car Barn (Q57231557)DC-125
Example 2Healy Hall (Q4269513)DC-248
Example 3NY-4-16-C
Sourcehttp://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hh/
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See also

Motivation[edit]

The Historic American Building Survey is useful because it provides detailed information about historic buildings and sites throughout the United States. It is also authoritative, as the information was compiled by experts working for the National Park Service. It is useful to have the HABS number assigned to buildings and sites to allow editors to retrieve information from the survey. Ergo Sum (talk) 01:18, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Could you provide links for your examples, please? --Gerwoman (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
    • @Gerwoman: Added links. These are not to the HABS inventory itself because, as far as I know, there's no single compendium of the surveys; the closest thing is the database maintained by the Library of Congress, so that's what I've linked to. Ergo Sum (talk) 00:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't this use the identifier datatype? --Yair rand (talk) 20:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I was trying to create a MnM catalog, but it's difficult for me to find any correlation between the HABS id and the control id assigned by the LoC:
  • --Gerwoman (talk) 20:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Ergo Sum: could you add Qids for your examples? See Wikidata:Property proposal/OeBL 1815-1950 ID for an example of a proposal that does this − Pintoch (talk) 09:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
    • @Pintoch: I've added Qids for two of them; the third does not have a Wikidata entry. Ergo Sum (talk) 04:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question is this the same as Wikidata:Property proposal/HABS building ID ? --- Jura 09:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: I don't know about that proposal, but based on my glance at it, it appears to be the same property. Ergo Sum (talk) 17:51, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

HAER ID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier assigned by the Historic American Engineering Record
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainbuildings and structures
Allowed valuestext
Example 1Hoover Dam (Q172822)NV-27
Example 2George Washington Bridge (Q125821)NY,31-NEYO,161
Example 3Golden Gate Bridge (Q44440)CAL,38-SANFRA,140
Sourcehttp://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hh/
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=$1&co-hh
See also

Motivation[edit]

The Historic American Engineering Record is useful because it provides detailed information about historic infrastructure throughout the United States. It is also authoritative, as the information was compiled by experts working for the National Park Service, the American Society of Civil Engineers, and the Library of Congress. It is useful to have the HAER number assigned to objects to allow editors to retrieve information from the record.

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • These seem to be identifiers for individual photographs, not the infrastructure objects. What items do you expect these would be assigned to? Andrew Gray (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Is it a problem to import item-level collection data, and not just authority files? Or are you just commenting on the fact that there are not yet any items in Wikidata to which this property could be applied in practice? Dominic (talk) 16:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Hmm - I read the proposal description as ultimately being about the infrastructure, not the images (though it's a bit vaguely worded). Is the plan actually to create an item for every photograph in the catalogue? Andrew Gray (talk) 18:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
        • @Andrew Gray: Yes the id would correlate with the infrastructure, not the photo. It just so happens that the way the id is currently being used by the Library of Congress is in its photo catalogue. For instance, there are some ids that correspond to more than one architectural or infrastructural item (perhaps because it was assigned to the batch of objects photographed at one tie). Ergo Sum (talk) 04:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
          • @Ergo Sum: I think it would really help to see some examples here - as it is, two of the IDs listed above seem to be variants of "HAER AK,20-MCAR,1", the same site, with photograph number suffixes. Digging around fings this master record which gives a "Survey number: HAER AK-1" and describes "HAER AK,20-MCAR,1-" as simply a call number (ie identifier in that particular collection). This suggests "HAER AK-1" might be more appropriate for the site. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question Is this the same as Wikidata:Property proposal/HAER building ID ? --- Jura 09:42, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The proposal is incomplete: please fill in clearly the domain field in the proposal template, and also provide proper examples that show what Wikidata items (or Commons files) the above statements would be applied to, to clarify how this property is intended to be used. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Ok, thanks, it looks ready to me then. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I don't see why the two should be separate (see discussion last time). --- Jura 13:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

NARA record group number and NARA collection identifier[edit]

NARA record group number
   Under discussion
Descriptionthe unique number assigned to a National Archives and Records Administration record group
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainonly items that are instances of collection (Q2668072)
Allowed values[1-9]\d{0,2} (for now)
Example 1Records of District Courts of the United States (Q59296199) → 21
Example 2Records of the Patent and Trademark Office (Q59405143) → 241
Example 3Records of U.S. Strategic Command (Q59408145) → 535
Sourcehttps://catalog.archives.gov
Planned useI will add the complete set of numbers to their items.
Number of IDs in source568
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See also
NARA collection identifier
   Under discussion
Descriptionthe unique identifier assigned to a National Archives and Records Administration collection
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainonly items that are instances of collection (Q2668072)
Allowed values.{1,10} - any string of up to 10 characters is allowable (all current identifiers appear to contain some combination of letters, numbers, a space, and/or a hyphen)
Example 1Korean War Collection (Q59480206) → HST-KWC
Example 2Douglas MacArthur Papers (Q59480207) → DDE-1294
Example 3Dwight D. Eisenhower Library Small Manuscripts Collection (Q59480209) → DDE-1207
Sourcehttps://catalog.archives.gov
Planned useI will add the complete set of identifiers to their items.
Number of IDs in source4545
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation[edit]

There are over 22 million catalog records in the US National Archives catalog, but just 568 of them describe a record group (Q59294700) and 4545 describe a collection (Q59294612). These are the top-level record groupings to which all the other records in the catalog belong (as either children, children of children, or children of children of children). Because of their significance, they all have their own identifiers, separate from the general US National Archives Identifier (P1225) (which is used for all entities in the catalog, including descriptions, authorities, and terms), so that they can also be listed and identified within their own set.

The record group number is a set of sequential integers from 1 to 568 that represent the order in which they were established (more here). I have recently created items for all of these record groups, but have been unable to add their actual numbers to those items yet. The collection identifier is an alphanumeric string (sometimes with hyphens or spaces in it), which, similarly, represent the top-level groupings. I am also going to add all collection descriptions to Wikidata and would similarly like them to use NARA collection identifiers.

A record group is a grouping of records with a shared provenance (in practice, based on the US federal agency the records come from), while a collection is an artificial grouping based on some other shared characteristic (generally, these are donated or presidential materials). I am combining these two proposals because they are very similar concepts, just two different NARA identifier sets. Dominic (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment@Dominic: Please make examples links David (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support both. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question @Multichill: Is the first one different from the ones we deleted some time ago (see Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2016/Properties/1#P1223)? Unfortunately, property talk pages of these were deleted, so it's hard to tell what they were about. --- Jura 10:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • More info at User_talk:Dominic#NARA_properties. Names of the old properties: NARA person ID (P1222), NARA organization ID (P1223), NARA geographic ID (P1224) & NARA specific records type ID (P1226). Multichill (talk) 10:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • NARA used to have many different catalog identifiers (for different types of authorities as well as the descriptions), but these were all unified into a single set. This is different from the ones being proposed here, which are used independently of (and predate) the catalog system. Dominic (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Are the numbers of the first identifier proposed above included in US National Archives Identifier (P1225) or one of the deleted properties? --- Jura 14:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: No, these identifiers are unrelated. If you look at the NARA catalog record for the first example, you will see that it has both a NAID (P1225), which is also in the catalog URL, and a record group number. The record group number is a separate identifier which is used only to identify and designate the order of the record groups. the other deleted properties you are talking about were just from when the multiple catalog identifiers were merged into one unique ID. Dominic (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Ok. --- Jura 09:29, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

WordLift ID[edit]

   Done: WordLift ID (P6363) (Talk and documentation)
DescriptionWordLift ID, a Linked Open Data permanent ID of publicly available entities curated by online publishers and distributed in various formats.
Data typeURL
Example 1WordLift (Q31998763)http://data.wordlift.io/wl0215/entity/wordlift
Example 2Salzburg (Q43325)http://open.salzburgerland.com/de/entity/salzburgerland
Example 3cryptocurrency (Q13479982)http://data.thenextweb.com/tnw/entity/cryptocurrency
Example 4bilingualism (Q10779529)http://data.wordlift.io/wl0472/entity/bilinguismo_2
Example 5Audible.com (Q366651)http://data.wordlift.io/wl0826/entity/audible
Example 6Microsoft (Q2283)http://data.windowsreport.com/windowsreport/entity/microsoft
Number of IDs in source107,910

Motivation[edit]

WordLift ID refers to 5 stars linked data with permanent URIs publicly available online. WordLift's datasets are also published on the LOD Cloud and interlinked with other public datasets. Devbug (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - Cyberandy 11:21, 06 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Looks useful enough to me - Edei 14:10, 06 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Good and useful Content - Mreichh 14:22, 06 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Positive - Gencuo
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Devbug: Your examples are incomplete - properties relate a wikidata item to a value, so what are the wikidata items associated with the URL values you've listed in your examples? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @ArthurPSmith: The property expresses the value of the permanent URI of equivalent entities according to the Linked Data principles, e.g. http://open.salzburgerland.com/de/entity/salzburgerland is the ID of the Salzburgerland region in Austria same as 2766823 on GeoNames or Q43325 on Wikidata. Maybe external-id is more appropriate as type and format value can be set to URL. --Devbug (talk) 19:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I've updated the proposal to external-id with allowed values of URL. --Devbug (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
      • Well, I think URL was fine as a datatype here. What's missing are the QID's associated with these URL's - please add them to the examples. Look at other property proposals to see how it's done. ArthurPSmith (talk) 01:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Got it, I reverted to url data type and added the QID's. --Devbug (talk) 09:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support This can be very useful - Domus.aurea999 10:41, 07 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Looks great to me Mark 14:27, 07 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Would be a great addition Julian 15:41, 07 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Questions: How is this different from a generic linked data URI? Is this part of a proprietary system? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Pigsonthewing, ArthurPSmith, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: I've a strong feeling that some of the support votes above might be (sock/meat)puppets, given that their votes here are the only contributions of theirs on Wikidata and the comments attached to them seem a bit sketchy. Mahir256 (talk) 07:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @Mahir256: I just want to introduce myself here, I am Fady Ramzy working as CMO at InsideoutIO and also a professor for digital journalism at AUC.
    • @Mahir256: I myself am David Riccitelli (Q32000705). I believe @Multichill: can vouch for me, having met at SEMANTiCS 2018 (Q50349922) where he introduced me to the property proposal process. --Devbug (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @Mahir256: I expect there was some canvassing at least. However, good linked data tools are a good thing in principle. According to en:WordLift this is from a company founded a little less than 2 years ago. @Devbug: Can you describe how this approach differs from other WordPress solutions, for example the PoolParty plugin? Asserting that a given entity only has one linked data URL seems to require some sort of centralized management, no? Where is that coming from, what are the licensing rules etc? ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: I do think, however, that we should consider striking the votes of the two people immediately above your initial comment and the three votes right below David's support vote for being socks. Mahir256 (talk) 16:31, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: WordLift (Q31998763) started in 2011 within the IKS project of the European Framework Program 7 (FP7). It officially opened to the public in 2017. WordLift is the only solution for WordPress (Q13166) (as far as I know) that fully complies with the Linked data principles and the 5 stars of Linked data. In fact datasets are listed in the LOD Cloud diagram. Entity management is decentralized and happens within WordPress (Q13166), structured data is pushed to Apache Marmotta. WordLift provides also interlinking with other datasets (including but not limited to Wikidata (Q2013), DBpedia (Q465), GeoNames (Q830106), ..., by means of owl:sameAs and schema:sameAs) which is the 5th rule of Linked data "Link your data to other people's data to provide context" (and a requirement to be listed among the 1,231 datasets of the LOD Cloud). --Devbug (talk) 17:12, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Devbug: Not sure what you mean by "deceentralized" here. There's one Marmotta installation that WordLift is using, right? So every valid URI must be listed in that central location? Anyway, it sounds like (given the "owl:sameAs" comment) you must allow multiple URI's for the same entity, so it's not really an ID either, is it? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:07, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: By decentralized I mean that the actual content is managed and stored in various WordPress instances as semi-structured data (title, content, meta fields). Because WordPress is unable to provide a performant and effective triple store, we copy the contents in the form of triples to Marmotta (which may provide also additional features, e.g. SPARQL, ldpath). I am not sure I understand the question about the ID, I'll try to give an example: http://open.salzburgerland.com/de/entity/salzburgerland is the ID for Salzburgerland like Salzburg (Q43325) in Wikidata, 2766823 in GeoNames, http://dbpedia.org/resource/Salzburg_(state) in DBpedia. Wikidata uses GeoNames ID (P1566) to state GeoNames ID and GeoNames uses the pseudo language code "wkdt" to state Wikidata's QID. --Devbug (talk) 20:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Devbug: Sorry, "not an ID" is not the right way to express what I was thinking. But just to be clear, for your Salzburg (Q43325) example there would be at least 2 (salzburgland and dbpedia) and maybe 3 (including geonames) or more (?) correct values for this proposed "WordLift ID"? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: Ah, no, the correct value for "WordLift ID" would be http://open.salzburgerland.com/de/entity/salzburgerland just like 2766823 is for GeoNames ID (P1566), Salzburg-state is for Quora topic ID (P3417), etc. --Devbug (talk) 21:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
And the central service is deciding what those special URI's are, ok. Is there any mechanism to confirm (a lookup service?) that somebody has set the right URI? We might want to treat this as an external ID with a formatter URL if there's something that works for that... ArthurPSmith (talk) 23:28, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: Currently there's no lookup service, but we could provide several, e.g. one that validates a URI, one that autocompletes a URI, ... can you point me to examples of other lookup services? Initially I looked at the formatter, I am not sure it's fit, because the hostname part of the URI may be variable, i.e. by default we use http://data.wordlift.io/datasetname as base URI, however publishers can provide their own custom domain, for instance http://open.salzburgerland.com, http://data.thenextweb.com, http://dati.greenpeace.it/ and so forth. We can also prepopulate and keep the ID in sync from WordLift's side using Wikidata API. --Devbug (talk) 07:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: On behalf of Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic should I set status=ready on the proposal ? --Devbug (talk) 09:56, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: Can you please point me to an example lookup service (or another property which makes use of one), so that I can review and learn the API and the best practices? --Devbug (talk) 11:28, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Devbug, Mahir256: I marked this as ready - I still have some curiosity about how it actually works in practice but hopefully we'll see how this is used and learn from that. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:15, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question Isn't this duplicating data we should already have? --- Jura 18:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
@Jura: Which property are you referring to? Can you make an example of data that would be duplicated? --Devbug (talk) 20:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • It's a question on my side. Can you give a sample of data that wouldn't be duplicated? --- Jura 09:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
@Jura: For example Salzburger Bauernherbst provides a description, the list of performers, the start and end dates and the relations with other entities that aren't present in Wikidata. --Devbug (talk) 15:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @ArthurPSmith, Jura1: I am marking the property as ready - I remain available for further information. --Devbug (talk) 09:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I think it could gain from further input from active contributors. --- Jura 09:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura: Ok, let me know if I can be of any help. --Devbug (talk) 09:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura: What kind of input are you looking for? - Edei 10:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Very positive - fadyramzyaziz
  • @Mahir256, Multichill: I believe further comment from you here would be helpful. I don't believe Jura has grasped the purpose of this property, which is to provide the unique URI that WordLift uses (for WordPress websites) to identify concepts. There is no existing property in Wikidata that can function in this way as far as I am aware, but maybe there's an alternate way of modeling this that somebody has in mind? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
    • You are right. Is it comparable with linking directly to the url of dublin core metadata? Not sure if any of the active contributor did either. I wonder what the impacts are and the maintenance requirements. --- Jura 16:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @ArthurPSmith, Mahir256, Jura1, Multichill: Can we move forward? I am always available for further questions or contributions. --Devbug (talk) 10:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
    • From what Multichill wrote, it appears that you and possibly others above may not be complying with https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities notably "Paid contributions without disclosure". --- Jura 10:44, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: I am not getting paid to do this, this came out of a sincere conversation at Semantics 2018. I also fully disclosed my identity at 10:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC). Devbug (talk) 13:30, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
        • @Devbug: but you do have some sort of employment relationship with WordLift, right? To make Jura happy maybe it would suffice to create a User:Devbug page with that information? As far as I'm concerned this property is ready to go though. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @Devbug: I will be happy to add my support to this if we can please first determine whether "User:Fadyramzyaziz", "User:Gencuo", "User:Domus.aurea999", "User:Popper89", and "User:Jaijal" are all sockpuppets or not. @ArthurPSmith: Please do not create this property until we either strike the votes of those five accounts or confirm that they are in fact real people. If all they are going to do here is give vague comments in support of a single property proposal and have no other contributions anywhere else among Wikimedia projects, then I feel rather uncomfortable being uncertain if they are in fact representative of the opinions of real people. Mahir256 (talk) 07:22, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Mahir256: Feel free to ping them, I can’t really speak on behalf of others. Devbug (talk) 09:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Mahir256: Go ahead and investigate but I'm not sure why it matters in this case - we normally create identifier properties even with only 1 supporting comment if there are no objections, and this at least four among clearly identified users so these new accounts really wouldn't factor in one way or another I think? ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:55, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
        • @Mahir256, ArthurPSmith: Is something else needed from my side? What are the next steps? --Devbug (talk) 09:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
          • The investigation can take a couple of days or weeks. It can easily take several months until properties are created. If you are aware of accounts violating Wikimedia's terms of service, don't hesitate to help us resolve this. --- Jura 10:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
            • @Jura1: Understood, I am not aware of violations. Please ping me if you need more information from my side. --Devbug (talk) 10:22, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Mahir256, ArthurPSmith, DevBug: As you can see it’s my first time here and I thought a comment was enough to support wordlift's ID addition to Wikidata since we use Wordlift at thenextweb.com (WordPress website) as well. What do I need to do to prove myself? Jaijal (talk) 16:42, 28 December 2018
        • @Jaijal: The fact that you responded at all (plus, I suppose, your linking to your presence elsewhere) is sufficient; thank you for doing so. The other admins and I will be happy to help you if you have any more questions about how Wikidata works or what you can do to help. To the rest (@Fadyramzyaziz, Gencuo, Domus.aurea999, Popper89:) that I mentioned above: if your first contribution on a wiki (and only one, up to this point) is a vote on some proposal--especially one in which the comment attached is not particularly constructive on its own, that can be (mis)construed as sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry/(whatever you want to call it) unless you can demonstrate that your account is not meant for the specific purpose of providing the illusion of support. Alternatively @Devbug: if you can identify the other four for us, then the concern I have will quickly be resolved. Mahir256 (talk) 01:14, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
          • @Mahir256: I might have a clue about three of them, let me see if I can get them here to introduce themselves as it is my strong belief people should actively participate. --Devbug (talk) 07:56, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
            • @Mahir256: I think they're all accounted for now, let me know if I can be of any help. --Devbug (talk) 09:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
          • @Mahir256: Thanks so much! I'll start with the tutorials I found here already. Jaijal (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Gencuo As my first time on Wikidata, I’m not sure what the rules are. As part of the WordLift team, I gave my sincere vote on the project, as I’m also among the most active users of it, on my blog FourWeekMBA.com where it has contributed to its growth as a publishing outlet. Thus, I saw this step as a natural evolution, which would have made my data better and improve further my publishing project. Apologies if I've been slow in replying to the thread, as I find it still quite difficult to understand the dynamics of the platform. I'm trying to become acquainted so that I can contribute more regularly to it. Gencuo (talk)
        • Domus.aurea999Hi all. Sorry for replying so late, I've been away from my computer for a few weeks. I'm not a regular Wikidata user, as you may have understood but I do use it sometimes for work. I just wanted to give my positive feedback to the WordLift team, as fan of the plugin. Please let me know if there is more I can do to prove myself as a real person and genuine user.
          • @Gencuo, Domus.aurea999: Can you please create your user's page. (You should also sign your edits, see Help:Signature.) --Devbug (talk) 15:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
          • thank you for the instructions. I did create the page and added the signature. Anything else missing on my hand? @Devbug: Gencuo (talk)
          • I have updated my profile page, I think it's all set by now. Let me know if there are more steps to follow in order to validate my ID. Thank you. --Domus.aurea999 (talk) 15:29, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
        • @Mahir256: Hello, I am working currently with @Jaijal: on our data operations at The Next Web (Q2913725). I added some info on my profile page and will check on how to contribute to wikidata later. Is there any other proof that you may require? Mark (talk) 14:07, 4 January 2019 (CET)
          • @Gencuo, Domus.aurea999, Popper89, Fadyramzyaziz: First of all, my sincerest apologies for the delayed reply. As I stated to Julian above, "The fact that you responded at all (plus, I suppose, your linking to your presence elsewhere) is sufficient; thank you for doing so." As a result I no longer have any non-technical objections to this proposal. Mahir256 (talk) 11:17, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Gencuo, Popper89, ArthurPSmith, Multichill, Jaijal: @Devbug, Domus.aurea999, Pigsonthewing, Mahir256, Jura1: ✓ Done: WordLift ID (P6363). − Pintoch (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hymnary.org page[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionPage for this item on Hymnary.org
RepresentsHymnary.org (Q18206550)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhymn texts, hymn tunes, hymnals, authors, instances (i.e. editions),
Allowed valuesURL of the form https://hymnary.org/*
Example 1Our God, Our Help in Ages Past (Q7110660)https://hymnary.org/text/our_god_our_help_in_ages_past_watts
Example 2Isaac Watts (Q537034)https://hymnary.org/person/Watts_Isaac
Example 3The Army and Navy Hymnal (Q50308756)https://hymnary.org/hymnal/ANH1921
Example 4Our God, Our Help in Ages Past (Q57952536)https://hymnary.org/hymn/ANH1921/1
Example 5St. Anne (Q59613384)https://hymnary.org/tune/st_anne_croft
Planned useAuthority control for relevant items linked to Wikisource

Motivation[edit]

Public database of hymnological information that would be useful to link with WD contents especially in collaboration with the Wikisources Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • My plan was to propose separate properties for them separately over time, but I have no objection to a combined property. Gamaliel (talk) 23:52, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose With current name and description. The description tells me nothing about what kind of content the property points to. There's also no explanation why the description says "page" when normally our external identifier properties don't. The current examples also contain questionable values (e.g. full urls). ChristianKl❫ 12:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @ChristianKl: suggested alternatives? Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
      • Name might be "Hymnary ID". Description might be "identifier for a hymn text, hymn tune, hymnal, author or ?instance? on Hymnary.org, ***short explanation of what Hymnary.org is***" ChristianKl❫ 18:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Symbol support vote.svg Support these suggested changes Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Note Hymnary author ID (P6300) has already been created, so we should avoid having this general property which would cover the same ground. Specific proposals for texts and tunes make sense. Maybe a single property covering the other types (hymnals, ?) would be ok though? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per ArthurPSmith. ChristianKl❫ 11:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Code of Natura 2000/FFH habitat[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionCodes used in the Habitats Directive (Q759874) as identifier for habitats
RepresentsHabitats Directive (Q759874)
Data typeString
Allowed values[0-9][A-Z]\{4}
Example 1estuary (Q47053) -> 1130
Example 2Q26269133 -> 91D0
Example 3Q9282435 -> 9170
Example 4reef (Q184358) -> 1170
SourceHabitats Directive
Planned useAdding the habitat types with their code
Number of IDs in source260
Expected completenesscomplete

Motivation[edit]

Have the habitats defined by the Habitats Directive (Q759874) with their official Code in Wikidata. --GPSLeo (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I've wondered that no formatter URL was given, since EU often provides its data as Linked Open Data. Indeed there seems to be an RDF download of the data linked from EUNIS (European Nature Information System), https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/eunis-db/eunis-database-in-rdf-xml/habitat-types. The entities given there however obviously are a superset of the natura2000 codes and use different identifiers - e.g., for the first example above, estuary, 10005. Since that id links to the according page with tons of information about the definition, related species, protected sites, other habitat classification codes etc., it may be more useful than an identifier which seems to be used only in document texts. For species, EUNIS ID (P6177) exists. Another option could be a resolver/redirector for the natura2000 codes to the EUNIS page - if such a thing exists. Jneubert (talk) 18:37, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
I think it would make sense to have both. The official ID is used in many cases (e.g. maps) and the EUNIS-ID provides a link to many information but it is not a "official/legal" ID. I think this is not possible with one identifier, so we need two separate Identifiers. --GPSLeo (talk) 20:20, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
@GPSLeo: I agree re. having both properties makes sense. Just as a suggestion: An EUNIS habitat ID could be populated via Mix-n-match, with the catalog data extracted from the EEA SPARQL endpoint by a query like this. Once the manual matching is done (or according new entries are created), automatically adding the matching Natura2000 ID would be trivial. Jneubert (talk) 21:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionperson's ID at Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital encyclopedia (new 16-digit scheme)
RepresentsBBLD ID (Q52148147)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), family (Q8436)
Allowed values[0-9]{16}
Example 1Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Cruse (Q1038108)0000000004025134
Example 2Arthur Harald Peter Poelchau (Q54304936)0000000002239534
Example 3Karl Hugenberger (Q16360763)0000000002417214
Planned usemigrate new scheme identifiers from Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID (former scheme) (P2580) to new property, and restore Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID (former scheme) (P2580) in its original state
Formatter URLhttps://bbld.de/$1
See alsoBaltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID (former scheme) (P2580)

Motivation[edit]

The resource for Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID (former scheme) (P2580) has changed its URL pattern and identifiers a while ago (see Property talk:P2580), and there is continuous hassle about what to do with the old property and its identifiers. We usually keep the old identifiers and deactivate the links by deprecating the formatter URL, and I suggest to do this here as well. Users should use this newly proposed property for the new, 16-digit identifier format.
Quite some values can be migrated from the old scheme property where they currently violate the format constraint; after that has been done, it should be brought to its original state. —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question is this a reliable resource? We seem to receive considerable disruption and abuse from its proponents and identifiers are changed in an erratic manner. As some identifiers seem to be isni based, it would be sufficient to add the formatter url to that property. Wikidata aims to include links to reliable resources and not just random webpages. --- Jura 18:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Look here about links strukture. Unfortunately, my German is worse than my English Arachn0 (talk) 18:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
    • IMO it does not matter that we have experienced considerable disruption in connection with Baltisches Biographisches Lexikon Digital ID (former scheme) (P2580); I also expect/hope that disruptions would abate once this new property is created, as unexperienced users (and the globally blocked user) would then be able to use the new property, rather than trying to usurp the old one which clearly isn’t desired. Please also note that the resource is linked from Wikipedias, partially through resource-specific templates—see Template:BBLD (Q23265105).
      Some identifiers are ISNI-based, but not all are; formatting is different for the (non-spaced) 16-digit BBLD-ID "ISNIs" and the regular ISNIs. How would a third-party formatter on ISNI (P213) look like that provides working links? How would we make sure that they are only offered for those items that actually have an entry in BBLD? —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
      • Resources are generally only as good as people who promote them. Here clearly there is a problem, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to spend WMF resources to support what might be a problematic venture (any property creation implicitly does that).
        Templates could attempt to determine the links based on the presence of the former property and ISNI. --- Jura 19:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Genius album numeric ID[edit]

Descriptionnumeric ID for an album, single, other music release or other publication on Genius
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpublication (Q732577)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1The Razors Edge (Q165617)63725
Example 2Voulez-Vous (Q755085)125944
Example 3Prism (Q14467113)42044
Sourcehttps://genius.com
Number of IDs in sourceabout 400,000
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://genius.com/api/albums/$1
See alsoGenius artist ID (P2373), Genius song ID (P6218), Genius album ID (P6217), Genius artist numeric ID (P6351), Genius song numeric ID

Motivation[edit]

Genius (Q3419343) has numeric IDs for artists, albums and songs. We already have properties for the human-readable IDs; the numeric IDs are more stable, but only the song IDs have an HTML interface (they redirect to the HTML pages with the human-readable URLs). However, per this discussion, because both groups of IDs are useful and generally stable, it would be appropriate to have properties for both groups of identifiers.

It would be possible to have a bot add values automatically for this property based on the existing Genius album ID (P6217) (and vice versa); the bot would scrape the existing links for the first match of {"name":"album_id","values":["1234". Jc86035 (talk) 17:04, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Symbol support vote.svg Support - Moebeus (talk) 20:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Moebeus, Jc86035: ✓ Done: Genius album numeric ID (P6360). − Pintoch (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Genius song numeric ID[edit]

Descriptionnumeric ID for a song, musical composition or written work on Genius
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmusical composition (Q207628), music track (Q7302866) or written work (Q47461344)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1Africa (Q383842)105876 (item needs cleanup and division into multiple items)
Example 2Mr. Sandman (Q931296)3017564, 135441, 11 others (item needs cleanup and division into multiple items)
Example 3Move (Q15108756)237122 (item needs cleanup and division into multiple items)
Sourcehttps://genius.com
Number of IDs in sourceabout 4,000,000
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://genius.com/api/songs/$1
See alsoGenius artist ID (P2373), Genius song ID (P6218), Genius album ID (P6217), Genius album numeric ID, Genius artist numeric ID (P6351)

Motivation[edit]

Genius (Q3419343) has numeric IDs for artists, albums and songs. We already have properties for the human-readable IDs; the numeric IDs are more stable, but only the song IDs have an HTML interface (they redirect to the HTML pages with the human-readable URLs). However, per this discussion, because both groups of IDs are useful and generally stable, it would be appropriate to have properties for both groups of identifiers.

It would be possible to have a bot add values automatically for this property based on the existing Genius song ID (P6218) (and vice versa); the bot would scrape the existing links for the first match of {"name":"song_id","values":["1234". Jc86035 (talk) 17:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

@Moebeus, Jc86035: ✓ Done: Genius song numeric ID (P6361). − Pintoch (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hungarian public thesaurus ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionAuthorized term in the OSZK Thesaurus / Public thesaurus
RepresentsOSZK Thesaurus (Q59296718)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem
Example 1dog (Q144)kutya
Example 2homosexuality (Q6636)homoszexualitás
Example 3audiovisual education (Q4819934)audiovizuális+oktatás
Planned usesearch for publications on a given topic in the Hungarian common library catalog (MOKKA), limit Wikidata-based tagging to keywords included in the official thesaurus
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://mokka.hu/web/guest/record/-/record/auth/$1%23OSZK%23150

Motivation[edit]

To allow searching for publications on a given topic in the Hungarian common library catalog (MOKKA), and limit Wikidata-based tagging to keywords included in the official thesaurus. Tdombos (talk) 00:20, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Norwegian silvertax 1816 contributor ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier for a citizen contributing to the Norwegian silvertax of 1816
RepresentsSilver tax 1816 (Q25429073)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5) with country of citizenship (P27) : Norway (Q20)
Allowed valuespt\d+
Example 1Robert Gonsalvo Major (Q17125702)pt00000000323418
Example 2Christian Stephansen (Q12714049) → pt00000000239164
Example 3Ludvig Mariboe (Q4580114) → pt00000000218520
Example 4Mathias Bonsach Krogh (Q4586868) → pt00000000348812
Sourcehttps://media.digitalarkivet.no/db/browse?archives%5B%5D=2005
Planned useas identfier for norwegian citizens contributing to the tax creating the new norwegian national bank
Number of IDs in source126000
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/97/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'Match

Motivering/begrunnelse[edit]

This tax was a forced contribution for norwegian citizen owning land or having a fortune, to create a a primarie money Foundation for Norges Bank (Q970769)

(Legg inn motivering/begrunnelse for forslaget til denne egenskapen her.) Pmt (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:25, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl❫ 14:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Can't these records be assigned to the "Norwegian historical register of persons ID". It is not intuitive, but you take one of the record IDs and assign it as the "Norwegian historical register of persons ID" at the HDR website and get this: http://www.histreg.no/index.php/person/daid/pt00000000323418 and with one ID we get all the entries for this person in all the records that they appear in. It is much simpler than having a half dozen identifiers, one for each census, one for the silver tax, one for each appearance in the ships register index. As more records get indexed at the archive these IDs with grow and grow. --RAN (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment This is an identificator for people in a specific register. As for many other items and persons they may exist in more than one record. For authentification for one certain thing a one to one relation must be identified. There is no given one to one relation to Norwegian historical register of persons ID to each person in the proposed property. Indexing and working within Norwegian historical register of persons is outside the Scope of wikidata. Cencuses mentioned in Norwegian historical register of persons should be used as References and with property stated in (P248) to be used in the references field to refer to the information document or database in which a claim is made; for qualifiers use P805

Also for running queries such an item must be sorted out. It not possible sorting out specific dates and values from Norwegian historical register of persons as it is aregister containing multiple records registered into one ID. Pmt (talk) 14:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Krugosvet article[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionlink to article of Russian-language online encyclopedia
RepresentsKrugosvet (Q2627728)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), culture (Q11042)
Allowed values[^\s\/]+
Example 1Andrey Dementyev (Q1943650)kultura_i_obrazovanie/literatura/DEMENTEV_ANDRE_DMITRIEVICH
Example 2basketball (Q5372)sport/BASKETBOL
Example 3Church of Scotland (Q922480)religiya/TSERKOV_SHOTLANDII
Sourcehttps://www.krugosvet.ru/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/$1.html
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248). Online Russian encyclopedia. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 09:49, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

iTunes TV season ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a show or a season/series of a show in the iTunes Store
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainseason (Q3464665)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1SpongeBob SquarePants, season 1 (Q864687)119022317
Example 2Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Q183513)1307173542
Example 3Brooklyn Nine-Nine, season 5 (Q39072362)1273427890
Sourcehttps://itunes.apple.com/us
Formatter URLhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/id$1

Motivation[edit]

Another identifier for the iTunes Store, for which we already have seven properties. Jc86035 (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:17, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Skiresort.info ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionRecord on skiresort.info for any specific ski resort (Q130003)
Representsski resort (Q130003)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitems
Allowed values[\w-]+ Any combination of letters and dashes
Example 1Perisher Ski Resort (Q1629394)perisher
Example 2Alpe d'Huez (Q214364)alpe-dhuez
Example 3Squaw Valley Ski Resort (Q2182804)squaw-valley
SourceList: https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useImport via a Mix-n-Match catalogue
Number of IDs in sourceAccording to the "all resorts" list page, there are 5550 items.[1]
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.skiresort.info/ski-resort/$1
See alsoWikidata property related to winter sports (Q28600002)

Motivation[edit]

Currently there are 20 Wikidata property related to winter sports (Q28600002), however all are Person IDs. As far as I can see (and I might be wrong!) there isn't currently any external authority control for Skiing/snowboarding "resorts" - the organisations that operate the ski-lifts and groom the slopes etc.

It seems that in Wikipedias (and consequently in Wikidata) there is sometimes a confusing between the "resort" and either the "town" or "mountain" of the same name. For example there is Zermatt (Q27494) (an instance of -> municipality of Switzerland (Q70208)) but nothing that corresponds to "Ski resort Zermatt/​Breuil-Cervinia/​Valtournenche – Matterhorn" (the area that your lift-ticket will you allow you to ski in).

Equally we have Tignes (Q330899) which is currently classified as BOTH an instance of -> commune of France (Q484170) and ski resort (Q130003), yet all the authority controls for that item refer to it as an "administrative unit"/"local authority" etc. I believe in that case, the item should be split between the town (which should have properties like "population") and the ski-resort (which could have things like "number of ski lifts" or "base/summit elevation"... This new ID might help to disambiguate such cases. (For comparison, I note we have Mount Perisher (Q21941924) (mountain), Perisher Ski Resort (Q1629394) (resort), and Perisher Valley (Q2071157) (town).]

Finally, I'd appreciate if someone could double-check I've filled in the proposal template accurately, and the regex. I'm new at it :-) Wittylama (talk) 23:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Question: Should this be "skiresort.info ID" or merely "skiresort ID"? Wittylama (talk) 13:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

AiF dossier ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID in series of dossier on the company and famous people by Argumenty i Fakty (Q212256)
RepresentsArgumenty i Fakty (Q212256)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Diana Harkusha (Q18636447)2269
Example 2Jedward (Q201811)1714
Example 3Leonid Parfyonov (Q1960651)1436
Sourcehttp://www.aif.ru/dossiers
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.aif.ru/dossier/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248). The series of dossier by influental Russian newspaper and publishing house Argumenty i Fakty (Q212256). Looks like another Russian encyclopedia. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 07:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The description doesn't tell me it's a Russian encyclopedia. Please provide more information in the descrption of the property. ChristianKl❫ 08:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

ELNET ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier assigned by the ELNET consortium of Estonian libraries
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem
Example 1Eeva Heinaru (Q24545716) → a11174882
Example 2Eve Naanuri (Q60606534) → a11227151
Example 3Arne Sellin (Q60606544) → a11169746
Example 4Arvo Pärt (Q189534) → a1115360x
SourceVIAF, at the moment
Robot and gadget jobsBots should import these from VIAF when we have a VIAF link

Motivation[edit]

During our (Wikimedia Eesti‎ (Q12379207)) talks with National Library of Estonia (Q609471) the library expressed an interest on having their IDs (or, more specifically, the IDs of the consortium of Estonian libraries they head, ELNET Consortium (Q12361408)) added to Wikidata. National Library of Estonia (Q609471) has been working on making them available through VIAF, with plans to also make them directly available through their own website in the future. Reosarevok (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

U-DISE code[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a primary or secondary school in India issued under the Unified District Information System for Education
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainschool (Q3914) in India (Q668)
Allowed values\d{11}
Example 1Andhra Association School (Q4754339) → 19170109120
Example 2Andrew's High (H.S.) School (Q4756149) → 19170109528
Example 3Apeejay School Kolkata (Q4779303) → 19170106416
Sourcehttp://schoolreportcards.in/SRC-New/Default.aspx (most likely not the only source)
Planned useadd identifiers to items for schools in India
Number of IDs in source~1.45 million in 2014-2015 one-year-period (Q53386064)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoAICTE institute ID (P4897), NCES School ID (P2484), Sekolah Kita ID (P5955)

Motivation[edit]

This property will provide another source of authority control for Indian educational institutions, in this case those providing specifically pre-college education. Mahir256 (talk) 21:07, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

AISHE code[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a college, university, or standalone institution in India issued by the All India Survey on Higher Education
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaincollege (Q189004)/university (Q3918) in India (Q668)
Allowed values(U-\d{4})|([CS]-\d{5})
Example 1Tripura University (Q6454069) → U-0495
Example 2Padre Conceicao College of Engineering (Q7123933) → C-30819
Example 3Central Calcutta Polytechnic (Q17198882) → S-10890
Sourcehttp://aishe.nic.in/aishe/institutionalDirectoryHomeIndex?hasReportLink=index (most likely not the only source)
Planned useadd identifiers to items for colleges and universities in India
Number of IDs in sourceat most 210,000, based on the regex given above
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoAICTE institute ID (P4897), NCES School ID (P2484), Sekolah Kita ID (P5955)

Motivation[edit]

This property will provide another source of authority control for Indian educational institutions, in this case those providing education above the secondary school level. Mahir256 (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Educational Institution Identification Number[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an educational institution issued by the Bangladesh Bureau of Educational Information and Statistics
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaineducational institution (Q2385804) in Bangladesh (Q902)
Allowed values\d{6}
Example 1Sabera Sobhan Government Girls' High School (Q57198564) → 103216
Example 2Dhaka College (Q13634028) → 107977
Example 3University of Dhaka (Q1480421) → 136584
Sourcehttp://www.banbeis.gov.bd/ (most likely not the only source)
Planned useadd identifiers to items for schools, colleges, madrasas, and universities in Bangladesh
Number of IDs in sourcenot quite sure, but somewhere between 20,000 and 30,000
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoAICTE institute ID (P4897), NCES School ID (P2484), Sekolah Kita ID (P5955)

Motivation[edit]

This property will provide a source of authority control for Bangladeshi educational institutions. Mahir256 (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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Discussion[edit]

Skimap ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionRecord page on www.Skimap.org for ski resort, with current and historical official published maps of lifts and ski-runs.
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainski resort (Q130003)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Voss Fjellandsby (Q12010113)2295
Example 2Schnepfenried (Q28041177)899
Example 3Banff Sunshine (Q2366796)10
Sourcehttps://skimap.org/
Planned useMix-n-match catalogue
Number of IDs in source2295
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/$1
See alsoWikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#Skiresort.info_ID - another proposal for skiresorts I recently made

Motivation[edit]

The trail-map of a ski-resort is one of the most important things that anyone going skiing will use. We cannot have these maps on Commons, but this website has a fantastic collection from around the world - notably with the historical maps not just the current ones. I don't know how Wikidata would model the relationship between the WD item and the specific current map (Perhaps a future property for "non-free map URL"??) but getting this ID property connected would be an excellent start. The database contains 2295 skifield records and the people behind it appear to be closely connected to https://openskimap.org/ (the OpenStreetMap for skifields). Wittylama (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Deansfa (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Gault et Millau ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a restaurant in the Gault et Millau Restaurants website
RepresentsGault Millau (Q1008555)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainrestaurant (Q11707)
Example 1"la-cocagne" => https://fr.gaultmillau.com/restaurant/la-cocagne?locale=fr-FR
Example 2"le-sud-restaurant" => https://fr.gaultmillau.com/restaurant/le-sud-restaurant
Example 3"le-bistrot-de-lyon" => https://fr.gaultmillau.com/restaurant/le-bistrot-de-lyon
See alsoMichelin Restaurants ID (P4160)

Motivation[edit]

Similar to Michelin Restaurants ID (P4160). Benoît (discussion) 15:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Theatreonline.com ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a theater actor/actress in theatreonline.com website
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1"Boon-Dany/21041" => https://www.theatreonline.com/Artiste/Boon-Dany/21041
Example 2"Dominique-Pitoiset/12862" => https://www.theatreonline.com/Artiste/Dominique-Pitoiset/12862
Example 3"Frederic-Gray/16764" => https://www.theatreonline.com/Artiste/Frederic-Gray/16764

Motivation[edit]

Database in French for theater actors. Benoît (discussion) 15:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Deansfa (talk) 15:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Dizionario di Storia Treccani ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for Dizionario di Storia (Dictionary of History) by Treccani
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaingeneric
Example 1Giuseppe Garibaldi (Q539)giuseppe-garibaldi
Example 2French Revolution (Q6534)rivoluzione-francese
Example 3Confucianism (Q9581)confucianesimo
Sourcehttp://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/elenco-opere/Dizionario_di_Storia
Number of IDs in source8,869
Formatter URLhttp://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/$1_(Dizionario-di-Storia)/
See alsoTreccani ID (P3365) Enciclopedia Italiana ID (P4223) Dizionario biografico degli italiani Identifier (P1986)
Proposed byAfnecors (talk) 10:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Motivation[edit]

This property will provide a source of authority control for history-related items in Italian. Afnecors (talk) 10:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Gerwoman (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

iTunes movie ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a film in the iTunes Store
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1Get Out (Q25136235)1202441786
Example 2Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (Q102438)271469503
Example 3Mission: Impossible (Q1741232)266810607
Sourcehttps://itunes.apple.com/us
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/id$1

Motivation[edit]

Another identifier for the iTunes Store, for which we already have seven properties. Jc86035 (talk) 09:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Cwf97 (talk) 14:25, 17 January 2019 (EST)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

iTunes book ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an e-book in the iTunes Store
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainversion, edition, or translation (Q3331189) or written work (Q47461344)?
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes (Q392147)395536306
Example 2Pride and Prejudice (Q170583)395534643
Example 3A Tale of Two Cities (Q308918)395547695
Example 4A Feast for Crows (Q1764445)419935414
Sourcehttps://itunes.apple.com/us
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/book/id$1

Motivation[edit]

Another iTunes Store identifier. I'm not too sure about the domain of this property, since Wikidata and Wikisource's FRBR completeness is all over the place. Some of the books are public domain and can be downloaded by iOS and macOS users for free. Jc86035 (talk) 10:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)