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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Bodhisattwa/Archive 1 on 2015-12-14.

EncycloPetey (talkcontribs)

In most situations, linkages were first set up manually on each work in each Wikisource. Those were transferred to Wikidata, and removed from the Wikisource pages. Deleting those links here removes all that work and breaks the linkages between works and Wikisource pages. Yes, they should be moved to their own data items, but that won't happen if the links are instead removed without correcting them.

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)
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Contributing to OpenStreetMap and WikiProject West Bengal

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NLBRT (talkcontribs)

Hi, Mr. Bodhisattwa! I'm Nilabrata (alias NLBRT) from West Bengal. I am an Active Contributor on OpenStreetMap and came to learn about the Wikidata Project Happening in West Bengal at the recently organised IndiaFOSS 3.0, courtesy of Mr. Ranjith from Wikidata Kerala.

I am really interested in learning how to add stuff on Wikidata, which I reckon is also a powerful way to link similar things (like Brands with similar stores/outlets, PSUs, Bank ATMs/Branches) to OSM Data very quickly.

You may contact me via Telegram (@Nilabrata), Matrix (@nlbrt:matrix.org) or XMPP (nlbrt@jabbers.one). Thank you.

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

Hi Nilabrata! Nice to meet you. I have sent a welcome message to your talk page, where you can find all the relevant basic links about editing Wikidata. I hope, that would help you in working on this database. I will try to help you as best as I can, if you need. Its always nice to have a fellow OSM contributor within us and as you are from West Bengal, we are even more lucky to have you. Hope we will meet in person some day and have a conversation.

NLBRT (talkcontribs)

First things first, thanks a lot for offering the resources, I'll certainly check them out and start contributing accordingly!

Second, yes, I am from West Bengal, but I live far up in the North (i.e, Jalpaiguri (View on OSM)). However, I reckon the distance won't ruin the chances for a meetup! :D

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EncycloPetey (talkcontribs)
Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

Noted. It was a mistake to remove the English and Spanish sitelinks. Apologies for that. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 05:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata Eleventh Birthday - India Datathon

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Greetings Xs4yc979qjf2ax48!

Wikidata's Eleventh birthday datathon

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Ambre Troizat (talkcontribs)
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U. M. Owen (talkcontribs)
Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)
Aishik Rehman (talkcontribs)

Q118583762 থেকে উইকিমিডিয়া ইউজার গ্রুপ সরিয়ে দেওয়ার কারণটা যদি বলেন। তাছাড়া আপনি কোনো সারাংশও দেননি সেখানে।

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

কারণ এটা কোন ইউজার গ্ৰুপ নয়। ইউজার গ্ৰুপ হিসেবে বিবেচিত হতে হলে affcom এর স্বীকৃতি লাগে, যা এর নেই। ইউজার গ্ৰুপ উইকিমিডিয়র এক ধরণের অফিশিয়াল সংগঠন। তাই স্বীকৃতি না পাওয়া অব্দি ইউজার গ্ৰুপ হিসেবে এটিকে মার্ক করা ঠিক না।

Aishik Rehman (talkcontribs)

আমি যদ্দুর জানি ইউজার গ্রুপের স্বীকৃতি পেলে ট্রেডমার্ক ও আনুষঙ্গিক কিছু বিষয়ের অনুমতি মিলে। স্বীকৃতি ছাড়াও ইউজার গ্রুপগুলো ইউজার গ্রুপই হয়ে থাকে। অন্তত মেটার ডকুমেন্টেশন তাই বলে। যদিও এমনটা হতে পারে যে আমার বুঝতে ভুল হচ্ছে কোথাও।

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

স্বীকৃতি পেলে তবেই ইউজার গ্ৰুপ নাম ব্যবহারেরও অনুমতি মেলে। নইলে যে কেউ যখন তখন যেখানে সেখানে ইউজার গ্ৰুপ বানিয়ে ফেলত।

Aishik Rehman (talkcontribs)

মেটা উইকিতে আলাদা টেমপ্লেট এবং বিষয়শ্রেণীই আছে কেবল অনুমতিহীন ইউজার গ্রুপের জন্য। আর আপনি কিনা  বলছেন যে নামে ইউজার গ্রুপের জন্যেও অনুমতি লাগে। ইউজার গ্রুপ অনুমতি পাওয়ার আগে তাহলে তাদের নামকরণ ও প্রকল্প পাতায় তো ইউজার গ্রুপ উল্লেখ করবেই। আমার কাছে পুরা ব্যাপারটা অদ্ভূত ঠেকছে যে আপনি এরকম প্রতিবন্ধক ধাঁচের আচরণ কেন করছেন যেখানে কেউ কারও বিরোধী নই আমরা। পুরো ব্যাপারটাই বিস্ময়কর! আমি আশা করব সম্ভাব্য ইউজার গ্রুপের কার্যক্রম বা পলিসিগত কোনো সমস্যা থাকলে তা শোধরে দেবেন এবং সহযোগিতা করবেন, এরকম অসহযোগিতামূলক কার্যক্রম না করে। আপাতত হতভম্ব হওয়া ছাড়া আমার আর কিছু করার নেই, ধন্যবাদ।

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

অসহযোগিতার প্রশ্ন উঠছে কেন? যখন Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (Q118583762) স্বীকৃতি পাবে, আপনি নির্দ্বিধায় আমার এডিট রিভার্ট করে দিতে পারেন। উইকিমিডিয়া ইউজার গ্ৰুপ স্বীকৃত গ্ৰুপগুলিকেই বলা হয় বলেই জানি। সবাই যেমন নিজেদের চ্যাপ্টার বলতে পারে না, ঠিক তেমনি স্বীকৃতির আগে সবাই ইউজার গ্ৰুপ হিসেবে দাবি করতে পারে না। তবে আবেদন করার জন্য স্বীকৃতি পাওয়ার জন্য ইউজার গ্ৰুপের নাম জুড়তে অসুবিধে নেই, কিন্তু উইকিডাটাতে স্বীকৃতি পাওয়ার আগেই তো P31 হিসেবে উইকিমিডিয়া ইউজার গ্ৰুপ তো লিখতে পারেন না। এটা বুঝতে অসুবিধা কোথায়? যেমন ধরুন, যখন ইউজার গ্ৰুপদের স্বীকৃতি চলে যায়, তখন তাদের P31 ও পাল্টে দেওয়া হয়, এটা সবার জন্যই হয়ে থাকে, উদাহরণ স্বরূপ Wikipedians of Goa User Group (Q113291130) দেখুন।

Aishik Rehman (talkcontribs)

অসহযোগিতার কথা P31 প্রসঙ্গে বলিনি। যাইহোক, P31 সরাতেই পারেন আপনি তবে সারাংশ দিলে আমাকে আলাপ পাতা পর্যন্ত আসতে হতো না। বাকি বিষয়ে আর কথা বাড়াতে আগ্রহ পাচ্ছি না। ভালো থাকুন, সুস্থ থাকুন।

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

আমি যেভাবে statement সরিয়েছি, সেভাবে করলে আলাদা করে সারাংশ দেওয়া যায় না। উপায় থাকলে নিশ্চয় সারাংশ দিতাম।

Trade (talkcontribs)

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Kishorekumar 62 (talkcontribs)

Dear Bodhisattwa,

I observed that you have edited the wikidata field "day in year for periodic occurrence" for many Hindu festivals. That was a structured field used by the template "Hindu festival date". Since you have made the field a simple, unstructured string, the template does not work properly any longer.

Was there a specific reason you changed this field to an unstructured string?

Also, since you have made this a simple string, it no longer reflects the difference between the amanta and purnimanta traditions (the template was programmed to handle this difference). As a consequence, the date shown for Krishna Janmashtami is only partially correct (it is correct for the amanta tradition, but not for the purnimanta tradition).

If you can let me know what triggered you to make these changes on all the Hindu festival pages, I am open to correcting the template, if warranted.


Regards,


Kishore Kumar

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

Hello @Kishorekumar 62:, unlike the way of adding masa (Q109641212) and tithi (Q1427958), day in year for periodic occurrence (P837) is meant to describe as a day as the name of the property suggests (like tithi (Q1427958) for Hindu festivals.). Hence, I have corrected the data model accordingly. Also these are not strings, these are all items, so they are not at all unstructured. Regarding Krishna Janmashtami (Q430574), I have now added the Purnimanta tradition (Q117355834) too.

Anyway, I guess, the Hindu festival date template does not require the complexity it has now and can be simplified. You can remove the masa and paksha parameters from there and can only focus on the tithi value which is there in the day in year for periodic occurrence (P837). If you want to add amanta and purnimanta traditions, you can fetch the qualifiers as needed. I can help if you need me there.

Kishorekumar 62 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your clarification. I understand now what you have done. For each festival, you have added one instance of tithi, with each instance including masa and paksha too.

The idea of the template was to standardize the dates across all Hindu festival pages (show masa, paksha, tithi; handle both amanta and purnimanta tradition; use IAST to indicate the correct pronunciation of the masa, paksha and tithi). You are right in saying that the template is complex; it assembles any festival date from instances of masa (12 instances - chanitra, vaishaka etc), paksha (2 instances - shukla and krishna) and tithi (15 instances - prathama, dwitiya, etc.). And all these instances of masa, paksha and tithi have "IAST transliteration" defined.

Since your changes broke all the pages that used the template, someone else has corrected the dates in many pages in a rather unusual manner (some pages are still broken):

For example, Krishna Janmashtami is now showing "Shraavana 23 (amanta tradition) Bhadrapada 8 (purnimanta tradition").

Would be nice if you can correct the pages of the various festivals to use the data that you have added. And also, provide IAST Transliteration in the wikidata entries so that pronunciation will become clear.

Finally, there is a page "List of Hindu Festivals". There is a summary table that shows the dates of all the festivals, at a glance. That table too is broken now (since the template is broken). Would be nice if you can fix that too (easy way would be to remove that table but that would subtract information from wikipedia).

Bodhisattwa (talkcontribs)

@Kishorekumar 62:, I have simplified the Hindu festival date template as a starter, which is now getting reflected in your festival infoboxes. You can now add more details as you need there. Regarding IAST transliteration, here is a Tabernacle form from where they can be added on Wikidata. After adding all the IAST statements on Wikidata, the template can then be tweaked easily to get the IAST as you did earlier.

Regarding the page "List of Hindu Festivals", I guess you will have just to modify this template for tithis similarly and then remove the masa and paksha templates from the table.

Reminder: International Mother Language day 2023 Datathon

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Dear Wikimedian,

The International Mother Language Day 2023 Datathon will start tomorrow (after a few hours at 00:01 am) till 28 February. To contribute please add your name here. We will contribute to Wikidata to add labels, descriptions, Aliases, items or properties and references to the statements.

We have created the outreach dashboard to track the activities. Here is the link.


There will be an online session on Sunday. The session will be for 1:30 hrs. Please block your calendar for 4:00 to 5:30 pm. Jinoy will be there for a training session to introduce basics and the tools like 'TABernacle', 'QS' and 'Mix n Match' that can be used for adding labels and improving the existing WD item for newbies.

Please reach out if you have any questions or concerns at program@cis-india.org. Regards