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Creating the property

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Infrastructure[edit]

general[edit]

international passengers[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionOn international lines : number of patronage/users using a network, a line, a stop, an airport or a train station
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
DomainQ55488, Q728937, Q924286, , Q62447, Q1067164
Allowed valuesentre 0 et 1000000000
Allowed units1
Example 1Sydney Airport (Q17581) → 1990 = 4 264 091
Example 2Sydney Airport (Q17581) → 2007 = 10 378 240
Example 3MISSING
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See alsodaily patronage (P1373) patronage (P3872)

Motivation[edit]

Hi, I proposed Wikidata:Property_proposal/Transportation#nombre_de_passagers_par_an but it seems more complicated and less clear than I expected, I suppose it will finally be dropped. I then propose to have a total of 3 properties for clientèle/patronage : a total (existing patronage (P3872)), an international subtotal (subject of this property proposition), and if the international is accepted, then a domestic/national subtotal property would also be proposed and created. So that international+national = total patronage (P3872). Context : this data is often available for airports, and probably for international train stations (Eurostar, Thalys, etc). Bouzinac (talk) 06:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

average speed[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionaverage speed of a transport line, service or network, or of a vehicle when used on such a line, service or network
Representsaverage speed (Q1267186)
Data typeQuantity
Template parameter"velocidade_média" in pt:template:Info/Transporte público, "average_speed" in en:Template:Infobox public transit
Allowed unitsvelocity units
Example 1Rio de Janeiro light rail (Q10388586) → 15 kilometre per hour (Q180154)
Example 2New York City Subway (Q7733) → 27 kilometre per hour (Q180154)
Example 3Prague Metro (Q190271) → 36 kilometre per hour (Q180154)
See alsospeed limit (P3086)

NMaia (talk) 02:44, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. This could be considered redundant to something like length (P2043) (journey time) + duration (P2047); but regardless of whether new redundant properties are considered acceptable, the new property would allow either of those two properties' value to be inferred where only two measurements for the same point in time can be sourced. Jc86035 (talk) 12:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I think we decided the way to do this was to use speed (P2052) with a qualifier of determination method (P459) arithmetic mean (Q19033) or something along those lines. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Standard parameter for mulitple transport-related infoboxes.--Jklamo (talk) 09:47, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose duplicate of cruise speed (P2217). --Pasleim (talk) 11:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    cruise speed (P2217) is a different concept.--Jklamo (talk) 12:46, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    what is the difference? --Pasleim (talk) 12:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
    @Pasleim: "Cruise speed", to my understanding, is the design speed for the state in which a plane or other vehicle isn't accelerating or decelerating, assuming "normal" factors such as no headwinds/tailwinds. This is different from the property proposed here; the existing property is for vehicle types, whereas this property would be for fixed transport services (or for types of vehicles on such services, if applicable). Jc86035 (talk) 11:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Germartin1 (talk) 12:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. An important property for transport.--Arbnos (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support.--Vulphere 16:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Aviation[edit]

see also: WikiProject Aviation

Maritime transport[edit]

see also: WikiProject Ships

Change the datatypes of yard number and call sign[edit]

yard number and call sign are currently locked to the "string" type, but they are in fact external identifiers by definition. So I think it would be prudent to set these two properties to "external identifier". De728631 (talk) 15:42, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

rigging[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptiontype of rigging of a sailing boat or ship
Representsno label (Q1634158)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"Ship type" in en:template:Infobox ship characteristics
Domainsailing ship (Q170483), sailboat (Q1075310)
Allowed valuesfull-rigged ship (Q1581130), barque (Q216057), sloop-of-war (Q928235), brigantine (Q189418), cutter (Q683363), Catboat (Q1050011)
Example 1Balclutha (Q804713)full-rigged ship (Q1581130)
Example 2Rickmer Rickmers (Q479965)barque (Q216057)
Example 3Alinghi 5 (Q681813)sloop-of-war (Q928235)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)

Motivation[edit]

To classify sailing ships or boats MB-one (talk) 12:08, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Feel free to add yourself to this list. User:Danrok Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) Rama Christian Ferrer Nortix08 Andrawaag


Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Ships

Is there a general principle to guide whether it's better to have finer-grained properties, or finer-grained classes and subclasses? A similar question has come up at Project chat#Items for multi-intersection. Scs (talk) 12:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)


Railway[edit]

see also: WikiProject Railways

Pakistan Railways station code[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptioncode to identify a railway station operated by Pakistan Railways
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter"code" in en:Template:Infobox station
Domainrailway station (Q55488)'s in Pakistan (Q843)
Allowed values[A-Z]+
Example 1Karachi City Station (Q4373381) → KYC
Example 2Peshawar Cantonment railway station (Q7171369) → PSC
Example 3Lahore Junction railway station (Q3695748) → LHR
Example 4Islamabad railway station (Q15228858) → MGLA
Sourcevarious Wikipedia articles and references from the Pakistani government as may be found regarding this property
Planned useadd this to items for stations (especially a great deal which only have sitelinks to urwiki)
Number of IDs in sourceas many as there have been railway stations in Pakistan—around 1200, according to some estimates I found
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Robot and gadget jobsnot yet, though this is surely possible
See alsoIndian Railways station code (P5696), Amtrak station code (P4803), ESR station code (P2815), China railway TMIS station code (P1378)

Motivation[edit]

The presence of this identifier is motivated by similar identifiers for the United States (Amtrak station code (P4803)), Russia/the USSR (ESR station code (P2815)), China (China railway TMIS station code (P1378)), and most recently India (Indian Railways station code (P5696)). Mahir256 (talk) 01:15, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

@Thierry Caro, BukhariSaeed, Obaid Raza: who might find this interesting.

Why can't be used station code (P296) with a qualifier? --Sabas88 (talk) 09:43, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Sabas88: If you would like to propose the deletion of the other four properties I mentioned (plus more of the sort), you are welcome to do so, but in the meantime having a separate property for this large collection of stations has its benefits, including the ability to easily define formatter URLs for each country on each country's respective property. Mahir256 (talk) 12:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose for now, if there are reasons that how codes in this country are used in URL schemes, I would change to support. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:58, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Nepalicoi (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    @Nepalicoi: Supporting just by adding such template is a pain in the ass, that won't help anyone to know how the potential new property will be helpful for us. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Mahir256: Please can you cite your sentenses such as "various Wikipedia articles and references from the Pakistani government as may be found regarding this property" with proper bibliographical references? Without references, I'm afraid that your sentenses can be mostly empty sentenses. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Liuxinyu970226: There are items for rail stations in Pakistan, such as Lahore Junction railway station (Q3695748) (hey, you edited that item!) that presently have a station code (P296) (derived from their respective enwiki articles) which could be converted to use this property. One can also derive lists of codes from old versions of the Pakistan Railways site (this does not mean that the codes are unused presently!--see page 6 here of a recent timetable). Mahir256 (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose for now, unless there's a use of this in URLs; at the moment, I can't find any uses of these codes in URLs anywhere on the web, not even on https://www.pakrail.gov.pk . As others say above, there is already a generic solution for when a custom formatter is not needed, and the data could be transferred very easily to a new property created for this purpose if this were the case. -- The Anome (talk) 08:38, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support consistent with others. There is no requirement for external-id properties to have a formatter url. --- Jura 05:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    @Jura1: So link to https://127.0.0.1/$1.php is also good to go for you?! These subproperties without a defined target for them one-per-one are nowadays problem introducer instead of useful, that's why I won't nominate to have a property for Japanese Telegraph code "電報略号", even I know that that serves an item. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
    I don't understand what make you conclude that. The proposed datatype isn't URL, but identifier as ISO 3166-2 code (P300). It's also unclear what problem that would introduce. LHR needn't be mixed with London Heathrow. --- Jura 17:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support per @Jura1: -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 12:19, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, even without a formatter URL − Pintoch (talk) 16:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, as for other countries.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exilexi (talk • contribs) at March 11, 2019‎ (UTC).
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Liuxinyu970226--DiMon2711 03:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per above. -- Catherine Laurence 14:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg SupportAs we have the same for other countries. --GPSLeo (talk) 13:49, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Road transport[edit]

Wheeled vehicle[edit]

chassis[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionChassis type for cars, buses, trucks, ect.
Representschassis (Q731988)
Data typeItem
Template parameter|chassis= in en:template:infobox automobile, |alváz típusa= in hu:sablon:autóbusz infobox
Domainvehicle (Q42889)
Allowed valuesitems with instance of (P31)chassis (Q731988) (or its children, such as bus chassis model (Q23034867))
Example 1Wright SRM (Q24908099)Volvo B5LH (Q4554559)
Example 2Volvo 7700 (Q1783915)Volvo B7L (Q826124), Volvo B9L (Q10716700)
Example 3Alexander ALX400 (Q3610745)Dennis Trident 2 (Q1189570), Volvo B7TL (Q4016383), VDL DB250 (Q4006930)
Example 4Mitsubishi Outlander (Q1044544)Mitsubishi GS platform (Q25706)

Motivation[edit]

Especially it could be useful for the buses because there is a huge amount of item about bus chassis (see here) but we don't use them. Well, we use them but only for the follows (P155)/followed by (P156) properties. This brand new property could be a great usage for them and it would be useful useful for the Wikipedias' infoboxes importing the data from the Wikidata. As I mentioned this would be good for cars and trucks too but at the moment only few car chassis has Wikidata item and there isn't any truck chassis. – balint36 🚌 bus stop 20:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
tend to Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, it seems enough to use has part (P527) for this. The subclass of (P279) claim of the object of the claim will be enough to know that the object is a chassis (in sparql, ?chassis_model wdt:P361 wd:Q24908099 ; wdt:P31 wd:Q23034867 or ?chassis_model wdt:P361 wd:Q24908099 ; wdt:P279* wd:Q[the « chassis » item id] can do that. This works for all the other types of parts. author  TomT0m / talk page 17:53, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
The problem using has part (P527) is later we (especially the beginners) won't be able to make difference between the the chassis and the engines (the other part). For example: Volvo uses similar names for engines and chassis (Volvo D8K vs. Volvo B8R I bet you can't tell which is the engine and which is the chassis) so it will be confusing to a beginner seeing on the Volvo 8900 (Q2639800) that the bus contains Volvo D8K, Volvo B8R, Volvo B8RLE. Then using has part (P527) instead an own property makes harder to read the type of the chassis from the Wikidata on many Wikipedias. And finally storing all parts of the vehicle in one peoperty is unnecessary. The question is what kind of other types of parts we want. We don't care the type of the windscreen or the type of the tires. The two parts we need are the chassis and the engine. The engeine already has an own property (powered by (P516)). So what remains in the has part (P527)? – balint36 🚌 bus stop 01:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support Having a specialized property makes the data-reuse by Wikipedia much easier. ChristianKl❫ 14:36, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support.--Vulphere 16:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
   Under discussion
Descriptionride height
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Example 1Hummer H2 (Q618590)→ 254 mm
Example 2Hummer H3 (Q930417)→ 231 mm
Example 3Q3217023 → 210 mm
Example 4Volvo XC40 (Q28127228) → 210 mm
Planned usedata import from lots of Wiki


Motivation[edit]

from en.wiki: Ride height (also called ground clearance or simply clearance) is the amount of space between the base of an automobile tire and the lowest point (typically the axle); or, more properly, to the shortest distance between a flat, level surface, and the lowest part of a vehicle other than those parts designed to contact the ground (such as tires, tracks, skis, etc.). --LucaBiondi (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


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Discussion[edit]

      • Well i prefer have a new property, may be we could change property name to "ground clearance" just to avoid height term.. thanks LucaBiondi (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

World manufacturer identifier[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentification code for automobile manufacturers used in the VIN
Data typeString
Example 1Fiat (Q27597) → ZFA
Example 2Opel (Q40966) → W0L
Example 3Volkswagen (Q246) → WVW
Example 4Porsche (Q40993) → WP0
See alsovehicle identification number (P6322)

Motivation[edit]

Every car contructor have a WMI code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number#World_manufacturer_identifier)

List of codes @ https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Numbers_(VIN_codes)/World_Manufacturer_Identifier_(WMI)

I think we should keep track of this informations inside wikidata LucaBiondi (talk) 22:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Intersection[edit]

Spaceflight[edit]

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