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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Spinster/Archive 1 on 2016-06-16.

PKM (talkcontribs)
Spinster (talkcontribs)

I would say they are slightly different - 'huishoudtextiel' refers to household textiles, with focus on the textile aspect, while 'linnengoed' refers more to the object aspect of these... Huishoudtextiel can include curtains, pillows, throws, etc, while linnengoed does not.

PKM (talkcontribs)

Okay, I can work with that! Thank you.

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Summer 2018

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
  • Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd webchat
  • Since our last newsletter, the Structured Data team has moved into designing and building prototypes for various features. The use of multilingual captions in the UploadWizard and on the file page has been researched, designed, discussed, and built out for use. Behind the scenes, back-end work on search is taking place and designs are being drawn up for the front-end. There will soon be specifications published for the use of the first Wikidata property on Commons, "Depicts," and a prototype is to be released to go along with that.
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Discussions held
Wikimania 2018
Partners and allies
Research

Two research projects about Wikimedia Commons are currently ongoing, or in the process of being finished:

  1. Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
  2. Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.
Development
  • Prototypes will be available for Depicts soon.
Stay up to date!

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 21:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fix

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Greetings,

The newsletter omitted two interwiki prefixes, breaking the links on non-meta wikis as you might see above. Here are the correct links:

  1. m:Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
  2. m:Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.

My apologies, I hope you find the corrected links helpful.

- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply to "Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fix"
Jheald (talkcontribs)

Pinging you (and others) since you've done a lot of MnM matching on the AAT thesaurus, as to whether or not you think it would be useful to be able to record the "broader" field in thesauruses like this, allowing one to reference the thesaurus structure in WDQS queries. Property proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/broader_concept

Summary by Spinster

This is resolved/done.

Gerwoman (talkcontribs)

Hi Spinster. I created the mix'n'match catalog #925 for KVAB member ID (P3887), because #359 has only 233 items (the new one has 432). After that I realized that the url of KVAB member ID (P3887) is no longer valid, and the IDs have changed. What do you think is better, to delete the property and create a new one or to modify it? Thank you

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Hello @Gerwoman! I have updated the formatter URL (P1630) of KVAB member ID (P3887) (see this edit), so I think a new property is not needed (the URLs on Wikidata will update to the new format soonish, if my memory serves me well). Several people now have two and/or wrong IDs, however, and that will need to be fixed by hand. This will be a good starting point for the duplicates and here's a query that lists all values. I'm not going to be very active on Wikidata in the upcoming week (busy with other things) but I can help from early February on. And I think it would be good if @Magnus Manske would be so kind to delete/deactivate the older catalog from Mix'n'match - I'll leave a note on his talk page just to make sure.

"Adriaan de Lelie" (Q616083)

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Summary by Spinster

Question is answered (not by me ;-) )

Lotje (talkcontribs)
Mbch331 (talkcontribs)
Lotje (talkcontribs)

Thank you very much Mbch331. ~~~~

Multichill (talkcontribs)
Spinster (talkcontribs)

Oeh, België is lastig qua museumcollectiewebsites. Ik heb er een tijd geleden naar gekeken en ben tot het overzichtje bovenaan de lijst gekomen (een aantal gedeelde portals die collecties van verschillende musea verzamelen). Een aantal Brusselse musea heeft interessante collecties, maar ik snap de verhouding tussen de musea niet heel goed. En Wallonië is onbekend terrein voor me! Ingewikkeld landje! Misschien raak jij er zelf nog sneller wijs uit dan ikzelf ;-)

Structured Commons newsletter, December 13, 2017

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Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
Things to do / input and feedback requests
A multi-licensed image on Wikimedia Commons, with a custom {{EthnologyItemMHNT}} Information template. Do you also know media files on Commons that will be interesting or challenging to model with structured data? Add them to the Interesting Commons files page.
Presentations / Press / Events
Presentation about Structured Commons and Wikidata, at WikimediaCon in Berlin.
  • Sandra presented the plans for Structured Commons during WikidataCon in Berlin, on October 29. The presentation focused on collaboration between the Wikidata and Commons communities. You can see the full video here.
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
Research
  • Research findings from interviews and surveys of GLAM project participants are being published to the research page. Check back over the next few weeks as additional details (notes, quotes, charts, blog posts, and slide decks) will be added to or linked from that page.
Development
  • The Structured Commons team has written and submitted a report about the first nine months of work on the project to its funders, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. The 53-page report, published on November 1, is available on Wikimedia Commons.
  • The team has started working on designs for changes to the upload wizard (T182019).
  • We started preliminary work to prototype changes for file info pages.
  • Work on the MediaInfo extension is ongoing (T176012).
  • The team is continuing its work on baseline metrics on Commons, in order to be able to measure the effectiveness of structured data on Commons. (T174519)
  • Upcoming: in the first half of 2018, the first prototypes and design sketches for file pages, the UploadWizard, and for search will be published for discussion and feedback!
Stay up to date!

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 16:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

BD2412 (talkcontribs)

Please use "Panel painting", as this will not create false positives for disambiguation links. Cheers! ~~~~

Spinster (talkcontribs)

Hi BD2412, I assume you are making this comment because of odd links in infoboxes on English Wikipedia? Let's see how we can solve this. In fact, on Wikidata, panel (Q1348059) is not a disambiguation item at all - it links to normal Wikipedia pages in Dutch, Gaelic and German and it is widely used as the (correct) generic term to describe a flat, usually wooden, painting surface. panel painting (Q55439) is a type of painting, not a material. Maybe @Mike Peel has a suggestion as builder of the enwiki infobox...?

BD2412 (talkcontribs)

Can the Wikidata value for the English meaning be changed, so that it does not invoke the disambiguation page when called into English Wikipedia? False positive disambiguation links from Wikidata calls are a fast-growing problem. ~~~~

Mike Peel (talkcontribs)

Can you share an example entry/article, please?

BD2412 (talkcontribs)

The six pages for which I made this fix earlier today - Man in a gorget and a plumed cap (Q21406066), Young Lady Playing a Clavichord (Q23890828), Resurrection of Christ (Q677682), The Baptism of Christ (Q2632688), The Last of England (Q958245), Two Male Heads (Q1851182) - all created a false positive to the English Wikipedia disambiguation page "Panel". This is not the first time. Vladimír Morávek created a link to the disambiguation page, "Director", before I changed it. Théâtre antique d'Orange (Q958961) and Triumphal Arch of Orange (Q1777218) created links to the disambiguation page "Orange" (for which the city and France is very low on the list of meanings).

Mike Peel (talkcontribs)
BD2412 (talkcontribs)
Mike Peel (talkcontribs)
RexxS (talkcontribs)

I can't fix it. The problem goes like this:

In the infobox for en:Bust of a Man Wearing a Gorget and Plumed Beret we fetch material used (P186) from Wikidata. that is "panel (Q1348059)" - a wikibase-entity, i.e. a potentially linkable item. So we look for the English site-label in that entry, and there isn't one. That means one of 3 things: (1) the article en:Panel doesn't exist; (2) it's a disambiguation page; or (3) it's a redirect.

Unfortunately, Wikidata doesn't allow us to use a site-label for redirects (so archaeologist (Q3621491) doesn't have a site-label to en:Archeologist, for example). So we have to test whether the page "Panel" exists on the English Wikipedia; if it does, we check if it's a redirect and link it, otherwise we don't link it. The act of checking whether "Panel" exists (or is a redirect) creates a spurious link from "Bust of a Man Wearing a Gorget and Plumed Beret" to "Panel". That is a bug that's been tracked at phab:T14019 for the last 10 years.

I think you'll find my code works exactly as intended (and as I expected, given the bug). I suggest there are two choices: either Wikidata allows site-labels to point to sensible redirects (such as to a subsection of larger article); or the devs fix the bug in T14019.

BD2412 (talkcontribs)

What about articles having completely different meanings on different Wikiprojects? Or having a disambiguation page on one project but no article corresponding to the meaning of the Wikidata term? Fetching material without prior human oversight seems like a recipe for disaster, even without the disambiguation issue that it is presently causing.

RexxS (talkcontribs)

On Wikidata an item's property (like material used (P186)) is linked to one meaning of its value on Wikidata. Items with different meanings on different Wikiprojects have different entries on Wikidata, so no problem arises. For example, if several people were born in several different places all called "Newport", each Wikidata entry for the subject would link to only one of them - that's why we have Q-numbers as unique identifiers.

We don't link to disambiguation pages, for obvious reasons, so it doesn't matter whether the specific meaning of something like "Panel" is on the dab page; it doesn't get a link anyway. Only redirects are linked.

The prior human oversight occurs on Wikidata and calling it a "recipe for disaster" is both facile and disrespectful to the efforts of Wikidatans who are trying to curate the vast amount of data in existence here.

Fetching data from Wikidata for use in English Wikipedia isn't going to go away, so it's no use burying your head in the sand. There is no issue with disambiguation, merely an over-simplistic attitude to article redirects here, and a lack of response from devs to a problem that has been causing problems since 2007 and before. Your indignation and energies would be better spent lobbying for a fix to these structural problems, than putting the blame on editors who are fully aware of these problems and are trying their best to do something about them.

BD2412 (talkcontribs)

I am one of the most experienced editors on English Wikipedia, and I have found it incredibly frustrating trying to figure out what is causing false positive disambiguation reports to arise for terms like "Panel", "Orange", "Castro", and "Victoria". I can't imagine the confusion these errors cause to new editors trying to contribute to fixing them.

RexxS (talkcontribs)

I'm pleased that you're one of the most experienced editors on English Wikipedia, and I'm sorry you find it frustrating trying to figure out what is causing false positive disambiguation reports to arise. But now you know. Perhaps next time you might consider asking someone who knows why they arise, rather than getting frustrated?

I can imagine the confusion new editors experience, and I assure you I've tried to see the sources of the problems fixed. Perhaps you'd like to help them as well by helping persuade Wikidata devs to enable site-linking to sensible redirects and the MediaWiki devs to fix the T14019 bug?

Mike Peel (talkcontribs)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter, July 19, 2017

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Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons?

The millions of files on Wikimedia Commons are described with a lot of information or (meta)data. With the project Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons, this data is structured more, and is made machine-readable. This will make it easier to view, search (also multilingually), edit, organize and re-use the files on Commons.

In early 2017, the Sloan Foundation funded this project (see documentation). Development takes place in 2017–2020. It involves staff from the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Deutschland (WMDE) and many volunteers. To achieve this, Wikibase support is added to Wikimedia Commons. Wikibase is the technology that is also used for Wikidata.

Recent developments: groundwork

  • A new and crucial technical step (federation) now makes it possible to reference data from one Wikibase website in another. Because of this, it will be possible to use Wikidata's items and properties to describe media files on Commons.
  • Another important piece of groundwork is under development: so-called Multi-Content Revisions. This feature allows structured data to be stored alongside wiki text, so that one wiki page can contain several types of content.

Team updates

  • Amanda Bittaker was hired as Program Manager for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. Amanda will take care of the overall management of the project.
  • Sandra Fauconnier (known as Spinster in her volunteer capacity) is the new Community Liaison. She will support the collaboration between the communities (Commons, Wikidata, GLAM) and the product development teams at the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Deutschland.
  • We have open positions for a UX designer and a Product Manager!

Talking with communities and allies

  • Long-term feedback from GLAMs. Besides the Wikimedia community, many external cultural and knowledge institutions (GLAMs - Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) are interested in Structured Data on Commons and are willing to provide feedback on the long-term plans for the project. Alex Stinson, GLAM strategist at the Wikimedia Foundation, is currently in contact with Europeana, DPLA, the Smithsonian and the National Archives of the United States. Alex is also looking for other GLAM institutions who might be able to advise on the long term. If you know of an institution or partner that may be appropriate for consultation, do get in touch with Alex.
  • Jonathan Morgan, design researcher, is starting to work on two projects:

What comes next?

  • The Structured Data on Commons team meets in the week after Wikimania to lay the groundwork for the next steps. This includes new backend development and design work, for better and more clear integration of the structured data in pages on Wikimedia Commons.
  • The project's information pages on Wikimedia Commons will receive a long overdue update in the upcoming months. The team will also work on more and better communication channels. Feedback, wishes and tips are welcome at the project's general talk page.

Get involved

Many greetings from SandraF (WMF) (talk), Community Liaison for this project! 13:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)