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Geographic location[edit]

historical region[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptiongeographic area which at some point in time had a cultural, ethnic, linguistic or political basis, regardless of present-day borders
Representshistorical region (Q1620908)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"země" in cs:šablona:Infobox - sídlo
Domainhuman settlement (Q486972)
Allowed valuesinstance of (P31) historical region (Q1620908)
Example 1Prague (Q1085)Bohemia (Q39193)
Example 2Brno (Q14960)Moravia (Q43266)
Example 3Wrocław (Q1799)Silesia (Q81720)
Example 4Nantes (Q12191)Brittany (Q327)
Planned useInfoboxes, queries
See alsolocation (P276), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), located in present-day administrative territorial entity (P3842)

Motivation[edit]

Historical regions are sometimes a very strong part of the local identity. Some of them could be a past administrative entity, some of them not.

In my opinion in this case location (P276) is too general, located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) with start time (P580) and end time (P582) qualifiers is inaccurate, as some of these regions were not an administrative entity, but mainly end time (P582) qualifiers in inappropriate, as people still feel to be part of the historical region, even it has been dissolved or divided. Jklamo (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support this does sound helpful, we seem to get a lot of questions from users about this sort of thing. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support JAn Dudík (talk) 20:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC) For settlements in the Czechia is it very useful property. Add yes, it should be limited to settlements, because this usually were in one region. JAn Dudík (talk) 12:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment This could be rephrased as "former region" or "prior region" and potentially cause less bias, but it seems that the cultural identity is important here with a nod about its history, regardless of causing some bias with the term "historical". There are those folks that will elevate this with the idea of "historically important" and we should be careful and mention in its description that the importance of a region is not what this property is about, but that "a region had a prior name and cultural identity that may still remain in part even today". Thadguidry (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Historical region as a label was proposed because of historical region (Q1620908) label and its clear definition at en:Historical region as well as enwiki categorization. "former region" or "prior region" are good aliases, but "historical region" is clearly defined and widely used.--Jklamo (talk) 08:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Some things to consider:
    • Should use of this be limited to human settlements, as suggested above, or perhaps also be used for provinces and districts and such? (I imagine we want to restrict it somehow, to prevent it being used on every building and territorial entity and natural feature, but I'm not sure that human settlements is the right choice.)
    • Should this property be used even if the former region is already indicated via located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)?
    • What counts as a historical region? Should this include every single former country or geopolitical unit of any level that has covered that spot?
    • Should this be used for settlements that no longer exist, to point to historical regions that also no longer exist?
  • --Yair rand (talk) 22:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
    • (As these points remain unclear, I Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose creating this for the time being.) --Yair rand (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Statement on Wikidata generally aren't time-bound. It's better to use the existing ways of specifying regions and with appropriate qualifiers. Maybe we even need new ways to qualify a new type of regions, but I don't think going over time is the right way. ChristianKl❫ 16:19, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose loose term. When the entity was of the administrative kind, it should be used located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) with qualifiers. When not... I guess location (P276) does the job here. strakhov (talk) 12:53, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I think located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) will work very well, with the appropiate qualifiers. --Giovanni Alfredo Garciliano Díaz diskutujo 16:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per the above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 17:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Useful for Incubator, we the Incubator users wanna it, please send petition emails to those oppose users above, to convert their unfair opposition of developing Incubator supports to fair supports. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Country or city ID on Hilton[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID For Hilton hotels sites in Country or city on Hilton website
RepresentsHilton Hotels & Resorts (Q598884)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Egypt (Q79)eg
Example 2Cairo (Q85)eg/cairo
Example 3United States of America (Q30)us
Example 4San Francisco (Q62)us/ca/san-francisco
Formatter URLhttp://www3.hilton.com/en/hotel-locations/$1​/index.html

التحفيز[edit]

Kopiersperre Jklamo ArthurPSmith S.K. Givegivetake fnielsen rjlabs ChristianKl Vladimir Alexiev User:Pintoch Parikan User:Cardinha00 User:zuphilip MB-one User:Simonmarch User:Jneubert Mathieudu68 User:Kippelboy User:Datawiki30

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Companies Mcnabber091 (talk) 00:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC) Tobias1984 (talk) 10:23, 8 November 2015 (UTC) Note 1 PAC2 (talk) 09:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC) Rjlabs (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC) Datawiki30 (talk) 11:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Economics

Important information about international hotels group David (talk) 11:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral : Seems commercial. — eru [Talk] [french wiki] 17:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • BA candidate.svg Weak oppose Use case unclear Germartin1 (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
    • @Germartin1: Use (clearly) to provide information on Hilton Hotels in the countries and cities pages --David (talk) 08:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:27, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • GA candidate.svg Weak support Worldm99 (talk) 08:48, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I don't see how this is going to be beneficial to someone looking for data about Cairo. It's just a link to a private hotel directory; there's no other information of any value there. Hilton is just one hotel chain and there's nothing universal or unique about them. If we want to link from articles on individual hotels, that's what official website (P856) is for, but these links should not be on city/country items. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Hey David, how about using property website and then using a qualifier 'valid in place' Germartin1 (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, seconding Andrew Gray's comment. Trivialist (talk) 14:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Deansfa (talk) 02:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

taxa found at location[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionplant or animals taxon described as present in location. Requires reference.
Data typeItem
Domainitem for geographic location (<20 values) or item for biology of geographic location. Not countries or first level administrative divisions.
Allowed valuestaxon if statement includes a reference. References used should cover a limited number of taxa (e.g. Flamingos) or specific locations (a bog).
Example 1Crawford Bog (Q56693695) -> Sarcophagidae (Q978302) reference Q56695871 p. 9
Example 2Crawford Bog (Q56693695) -> Sarracenia leucophylla (Q1752921)
Example 3Crawford Bog (Q56693695) -> Sarracenia flava (Q1499289)
Example 4Crawford Bog (Q56693695) -> Sarracenia psittacina (Q1624202)
Example 5Crawford Bog (Q56693695) -> Drosera filiformis (Q366314)
Example 6Africa (Q15) -> lion (Q140)
Sourcedocument used as reference
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)

Motivation[edit]

Following discussion at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy#Location_survey. @Brya, Succu: thanks for your input. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 12:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment. The extent of this new property should be discussed beforehand. Should species kept (P1990) keep species in protected areas or should its focus be reduced back to zoos only? Thierry Caro (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Protected areas generally don't "keep" any species, all present are protected. I think this property should work there. The sample bog above is located in a protected area. --- Jura 18:20, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment. I'd have slightly different use - protected areas often list the species which are specifically protected there. However, that list can become quite lengthy, e.g. the official announcement for Doi Phu Kha non-hunting area (Q28104754) lists 170 species [1]. Ahoerstemeier (talk) 21:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I see. I'm wondering if this should be handled with a qualifier, P1990, or a new location specific property. Supposedly a species could be protected without actually being present. --- Jura 17:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
    • @Ahoerstemeier: given the last point, I think we should have another, separate property for these. What do you think? --- Jura 05:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Who's on First ID (WOFID)[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier from the Who's on First database
RepresentsWho's on First (Q57967241)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem (instances of geographic location (Q2221906))
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1New York City (Q60)85977539
Example 2Helcmanovce (Q1186980)101843889
Example 3Čebovce (Q338024)101785253
Example 4Gaël (Q216544)101762475
Sourcehttps://spelunker.whosonfirst.org/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source26 million
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://spelunker.whosonfirst.org/id/$1/

Motivation[edit]

Who's on First already includes wikidata in the concordances. Adding this property would add a reverse reference from Wikidata to Who's on First. The entire Who's on First database can be downloaded so a bot could be created to import all of the external ids into Wikidata. U+1F360 (talk) 03:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose for now. At first sight this is a very useful resource. But, for example, they link their 101750467 to Birmingham (Q2256); and not their 85684283. This is the opposite of what one would expect (compare the two shape files), and could cause problems for us in future. [As an side, I'm a Birmingham resident born and bred, and do not recognise the former boundary in any context.] Some analysis of the frequency of such issues, and how to resolve them, is needed before we decide whether to make his property. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:47, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: I didn't mean to imply that Who's on First is a source of truth. I think it's totally acceptable if we decide that the id should be different, or if we have multiple ids (as in, one Wikidata item relates to multiple WOFIDs) --U+1F360 (talk) 13:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: To be fair, 101750467 is a locality where 85684283 is a region. Regardless of the map (which I agree is wrong), Birmingham (Q2256) says that it is a city, so the proper link (in my opinion) would be 101750467. U+1F360 (talk) 14:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Playbill venue ID[edit]

DescriptionIdentifier for performance venues at Playbill.com
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaingeographic location (Q2221906)
Allowed values[a-z]+(\-[a-z]+)*\-\d{10}
Example 1Eugene O'Neill Theatre (Q5407593)eugene-oneill-theatre-vault-0000000141
Example 2American Airlines Theatre (Q4742962)american-airlines-theatre-vault-0000000327
Example 3Stephen Sondheim Theatre (Q7610570)stephen-sondheim-theatre-vault-0000000184
Sourcehttp://www.playbill.com/vault
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Mix'n'match1961
Number of IDs in source4200+
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.playbill.com/venue/$1
See alsoInternet Broadway Database venue ID (P1217), Playbill production ID (P5833)

Motivation[edit]

Broadway theatres and other performance venues listed on Playbill's website; would complement Internet Broadway Database venue ID (P1217) and Playbill production ID (P5833). Trivialist (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Envanter.gov.tr Monument ID[edit]

Descriptionidentifiant unique d'un monument sur Envanter.gov.tr, site financé par le Ministère turc de la Culture (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmonument (Q4989906)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Hagia Sophia (Q12506)14029
Example 2Maiden's Tower (Q848397)13213
Example 3Galata Tower (Q91274)20304
Sourcehttp://envanter.gov.tr/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useuse on existing monument items, create new ones
Formatter URLhttp://envanter.gov.tr/anit/index/detay/$1
Motivation

Monuments registered at envanter.gov.tr, a website funded by Ministry of Culture, Turkey. It includes about 40000 monuments. Note that the website is only accessible from Turkey. Hakan·IST

Discussion

@Deansfa, Pigsonthewing, Germartin1, HakanIST: ✓ Done: Envanter.gov.tr Monument ID (P6117)Pintoch (talk) 08:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hierarchical administrative subdivision codes[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioncodes to represent names of country subdivisions
RepresentsHierarchical Administrative Subdivision Code (Q3013341)
Data typeString
Domainadministrative territorial entity (Q56061)
Example 1DE.NW.BE → Kreis Bielefeld
Example 2DE.NW.CE → Kreis Coesfeld
Example 3DE.BW.EM → Landkreis Emmendingen
Source[2]
Number of IDs in source41,000
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoStatoids ID (P3175)

Motivation[edit]

(HASC) are codes to represent names of country subdivisions, such as states, province, regions. It would be very cool to use this in wikidata. Stefan Kühn (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment These are not a recognized standard as far as I can see. How do they compare with ISO 3166-2? (for which we have ISO 3166-2 code (P300). ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

exonym[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionname given to an entity in a language that is not the official language of the place or country of this entity (useful if the entity changed his name at some point and using the label could cause an anachronism)
Representsexonym (Q81639)
Data typeMonolingual text
Domainplaces, organizations
Example 1Examples can be found for example here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_renaming#Exonyms_and_endonyms
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Planned useavoid anachronism in infoboxes, per community demands
See alsoofficial name (P1448) View with SQID

Motivation[edit]

As stated in the description, some entity change their names. We handle this with official name (P1448) View with SQID in the native language of the entity, but we don’t have an equivalent for names in different countries. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Would you consider having this as a Lexeme-valued property, rather than monolingual text? ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I agree it should be lexeme related property. KaMan (talk) 05:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Neighborhood[edit]

Conservation status[edit]

State of conservation / state of use[edit]

   Not done
DescriptionTo indicate state of conservation / state of use of a building, monument, etc. It is not related with its heritage protection (heritage designation (P1435)), but to its present state of conservation or use. Ex.: ruinous, demolished, reformed, correct, abandoned, in use, temporarily closed, etc.
Representsconservation status (Q55553838)
Data typeItem
Template parameterestat_us in ca:template:infotaula edifici.
status in en:template:Infobox_building.
erhaltungszustand in de:Vorlage:Infobox Burg.
stato attuale in it:Template:Infobox stazione della metropolitana.
estado in es:Plantilla:Ficha de túnel
etc.
Domaingeographical object (Q618123), construction (Q811430), human-made geographic object (Q35145743) and its subclasses
Allowed valuesThis property is multi-value. Some exemple, but not exclusives, are:
operatively: in use (Q55654238), open to the public (Q55570821), closed to the public (Q55570340), temporarily closed (Q55653430), closed, ....
conservation: correct, reformed, abandoned, in danger (Q55555088), ruins (Q109607), demolished, destroyed artwork (Q21745157), destroyed settlement (Q22674930), destroyed city (Q14616455), etc.
Some combinations could seems contradictorial, but are possible; for instance: ruins (Q109607) + open to the public (Q55570821) in a archaeological site (Q839954)
Item should be subclass of conservation status (Q55553838).
Possible qualifiers: start time (P580), end time (P582), point in time (P585), applies to part (P518) (when refers to a specific part), but not only.
Allowed unitsN/A
Example 1Parthenon (Q10288) → partially destroyed or ruins (Q109607) + open to the public (Q55570821)
Example 2London Eye (Q160659)in use (Q55654238)
Example 3World Trade Center (Q11235) → value destroyed (P585=2001)
Example 4Casa Vicens (Q746333) → open to the public (P580=2017)
Format and edit filter validationN/A
SourceAs a exemple, but not the only source. In any case, this property may hold an "unofficial" description of a changeable value. So, the sources may be anyone.
Planned useincorporate in building infobox to get WD contents instead to be a manual parameter
Number of IDs in sourceDon't know. Probably, they must be moved from present values in infoboxes
See alsoDiscussion that promoted this proposal

Motivació

Incorporate as a WD property the most popular Infoboxes concepts that are now only available manual parameters. The goal is to be able to get all the common and usual parameters from WD. Amadalvarez (talk) 08:35, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Seems like a sensible suggestion. Only thought that came to mind looking at the examples is that a building could have more than one of these - so the London Eye (Q160659) is both "in use" and "Open to the public", but I think that is OK. JerryL2017 (talk) 10:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @JerryL2017: Yes, you're right. In fact, "in use" should be an exceptional use, because "no info" should means "normal status", "in use", etc. in order to avoid overload this information. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion (2)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Thanks @Ayack: to prepare the split to make easier the decission. Amadalvarez (talk) 11:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

state of conservation[edit]

DescriptionTo indicate state of conservation of a building, monument, etc. It is not related with its heritage protection (heritage designation (P1435)), but to its present state of conservation. Ex.: ruinous, demolished, correct, etc.
Representsconservation status (Q55553838)
Data typeItem
Template parameterestat_us in ca:template:infotaula edifici.
status in en:template:Infobox_building.
erhaltungszustand in de:Vorlage:Infobox Burg.
etc.
Domaingeographical object (Q618123), construction (Q811430), human-made geographic object (Q35145743) and its subclasses
Allowed valuesThis property is multi-value. Some exemple, but not exclusives, are: correct, reformed, abandoned, in danger (Q55555088), ruins (Q109607), demolished, destroyed artwork (Q21745157), destroyed settlement (Q22674930), destroyed city (Q14616455), etc.
Item should be subclass of conservation status (Q55553838).
Possible qualifiers: start time (P580), end time (P582), point in time (P585), applies to part (P518) (when refers to a specific part), but not only.
Allowed unitsN/A
Example 1Parthenon (Q10288) → partially destroyed or ruins (Q109607)
Example 2London Eye (Q160659) → preserved
Example 3World Trade Center (Q11235) → destroyed (P585=2001)
Example 4Casa Vicens (Q746333) → preserved (P580=2017)
Format and edit filter validationN/A
SourceAs a exemple, but not the only source. In any case, this property may hold an "unofficial" description of a changeable value. So, the sources may be anyone.
Planned useincorporate in building infobox to get WD contents instead to be a manual parameter
Number of IDs in sourceDon't know. Probably, they must be moved from present values in infoboxes
See alsoDiscussion that promoted this proposal

state of use[edit]

   Done. state of use (P5817) (Talk and documentation)
DescriptionTo indicate state of use of a building, monument, etc. It is not related with its heritage protection (heritage designation (P1435)), but to its present state of use. Ex.: reformed, in use, temporarily closed, etc.
Representsconservation status (Q55553838)
Data typeItem
Template parameterstato attuale in it:Template:Infobox stazione della metropolitana.
estado in es:Plantilla:Ficha de túnel
etc.
Domaingeographical object (Q618123), construction (Q811430), human-made geographic object (Q35145743) and its subclasses
Allowed valuesThis property is multi-value. Some exemple, but not exclusives, are: in use (Q55654238), open to the public (Q55570821), closed to the public (Q55570340), temporarily closed (Q55653430), closed, ....
Possible qualifiers: start time (P580), end time (P582), point in time (P585), applies to part (P518) (when refers to a specific part), but not only.
Allowed unitsN/A
Example 1Parthenon (Q10288)open to the public (Q55570821)
Example 2London Eye (Q160659)in use (Q55654238)
Example 3World Trade Center (Q11235) → N/A (?)
Example 4Casa Vicens (Q746333) → open to the public (P580=2017)
Format and edit filter validationN/A
SourceAs a exemple, but not the only source. In any case, this property may hold an "unofficial" description of a changeable value. So, the sources may be anyone.
Planned useincorporate in building infobox to get WD contents instead to be a manual parameter
Number of IDs in sourceDon't know. Probably, they must be moved from present values in infoboxes
See alsoDiscussion that promoted this proposal

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, FranSisPac, ChristianSW, Jklamo, Medol, Barcelona: @Thierry Caro, Amadalvarez, Germartin1, Giovanni Alfredo Garciliano Diaz, Voll, Strakhov: @PKM, JerryL2017, Pere prlpz, Pintoch, Pigsonthewing, Yeza: @Anvilaquarius, AndreasPraefcke, Ayack: ✓ Done: state of conservation (P5816), state of use (P5817). − Pintoch (talk) 07:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

GLAMOS glacier ID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for a Swiss glacier on the GLAMOS website
RepresentsGLAMOS (Q55856670)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainglacier (Q35666)
Allowed values[a-z]+
Example 1Aletsch Glacier (Q204658)aletsch
Example 2Boveire Glacier (Q4950520)boveyre
Example 3Tiefen Glacier (Q7800984)tiefen
Sourcehttp://swiss-glaciers.glaciology.ethz.ch/glacierlist.html
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useTemplate:Geographical links (Q28528875)
Number of IDs in source122
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://swiss-glaciers.glaciology.ethz.ch/glaciers/$1.htm
CountrySwitzerland (Q39)
See alsoWorld Glacier Inventory ID (P1404), Gridabase glacier ID (P3707)

Motivation[edit]

This new Wikidata property for authority control for places (Q19829908) would improve our coverage of the geography of Switzerland (Q215941). Thierry Caro (talk) 22:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Koxinga (talk) Thierry Caro (talk) Pasleim (talk) Runner1928 (talk)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Mountains. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:31, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

coordinate location GCJ02[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionCoordinate location in GCJ02 (Q29043602)
Representsgeographic coordinate system (Q22664)GCJ02 (Q29043602)
Data type⧼calculated property⧽ (not available yet)
Domaingeographic coordinate system (Q22664)
Allowed valuesDirectly computed from existing values of other property
Allowed unitsdegree
Example 1Tiananmen (Q83973) → 116.397499E,39.908722N
Example 2Oriental Pearl Tower (Q223207) → 121.49945027E,31.24000146N
Example 3Potala Palace (Q71229) → 91.11850479E,29.65507281N
Example 4Shenzhen Railway Station (Q837327) → 114.1262E,22.5317N
SourceGCJ02 (Q29043602)
Number of IDs in sourceUnlimited
Expected completenessApply automatically to all wikidata entry with coordinate within mainland China area
Robot and gadget jobsYes
See alsocoordinate location (P625), Wikidata:Property proposal/Coordinate reference system

Motivation[edit]

Make it easier for users to use Chinese online map C933103 (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Background: en:Restrictions on geographic data in China#GCJ-02. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Phab similar: phab:T162331 --Artoria2e5 (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose This can be calculated from existing coordinates values. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Andy. Mahir256 (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Answer @Mahir256, Pigsonthewing: That is why I proposed using the calculated property data type. The data type is "calculated by Wikibase and added directly to items".C933103 (talk) 04:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
    • @C933103: As long as that data type is "[n]ot in [the] development plan", this proposal will remain on hold, irrespective of potential outcome, until you withdraw it or it dies at the hands of a property creator. (In contrast, back in May when people were proposing properties with lexeme datatype despite the lack of lexemes at the time, those proposals could remain and go forward since at least the lexeme datatype was being worked on and prepared for deployment within the lifetime of those proposals.) Mahir256 (talk) 11:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Even if I hope at some point we will have that datatype, I think the above calculation might be too complex for an initial implementation. I think I saw a feature request specifically for this, but I'm not sure where it's at. As suggested by one of the other participants, one could imagine a separate property like P625 that would allow input of such coordinates. These wouldn't be converted for now.
    --- Jura 07:28, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
    • @Jura: The problem with P625 is that people are dumping GCJ02 into it without knowing. A quick way to find such a bunch is with this OSM/Wikidata Link Tool, which does name matches and reports location differences. --Artoria2e5 (talk) 15:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I think we could use a separate property for these. A coordinate type one, not a calculated one like this one. --- Jura 15:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Nepalicoi (talk) 12:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral If we just veto foreign because it's not WGS84, then the Grid system of UK should also not be introduced to Wikidata. Meanwhile, maybe there should have function to mark some coordinates as non-WGS84. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral There is not much point in storing GCJ02 even as a generated/calculated type. The more important thing is to guide users into calculating a correct WGS84 from it. If we can do that with a new property, say by generating a calculated P625, it might be worth it. --Artoria2e5 (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
    • @Artoria2e5: And how do you think about the UK Grid (i.e. OS grid reference (P613))? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
      • The UK Grid is a much less… fictitious system compared to GCJ-02. GCJ02 is defined for the sake of drifting electronic maps, while OSGB has a legit purpose, wide acception in older print sources, and a notation different from lat/lon that is hard to mistake for WGS84. I mean, I subjectively dislike GCJ02 (and BD09) and do not want a maliciously defined thing considered as part of some solid database. --Artoria2e5 (talk) 17:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Cwf97 (talk) 17:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Coordinates in WKT[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioncoordinates of this object in Well-Known Text (Q4018860) format
RepresentsWell-Known Text (Q4018860)
Data typeString
Domainareas/lines etc. (non-points)
Example 1Carnegie Hill (Q1043965) -> POLYGON ((-73.954816460609 40.789203141995, -73.955280482769 40.788579699067, -73.95577400922799 40.787907511372, -73.95627021789601 40.787225162826, -73.95672082901 40.786601701327, -73.957176804543 40.785978233976, -73.957640826702 40.785344606436, -73.958096802235 40.784719096397, -73.958555459976 40.784087487749, -73.959011435509 40.78345790402, -73.95947277545901 40.782830345267, -73.959918022156 40.782214966363, -73.960414230824 40.781544745228, -73.95881026983299 40.780868424319, -73.957187533379 40.780186003449, -73.95557820797001 40.779507637659, -73.953979611397 40.778833327074, -73.95349413156499 40.779495451384, -73.953032791615 40.780123041646, -73.952576816082 40.780752656987, -73.952115476131 40.781380235371, -73.95165950059901 40.782007807825, -73.95120620727501 40.78262725055, -73.950744867325 40.783260904015, -73.950283527374 40.783890489611, -73.949846327305 40.78449163674, -73.94933134317399 40.785196352966, -73.948832452297 40.785870598955, -73.94838184118299 40.786500159812, -73.94996702671099 40.78716830013, -73.95146369934101 40.787793787101, -73.953223228455 40.788532991381, -73.954816460609 40.789203141995))
Example 2Istra Parish (Q6089022) -> MULTIPOLYGON (((27.8114 56.1951, 27.8076 56.1977, 27.8138 56.197, 27.8232 56.1998, 27.8212 56.2117, 27.8231 56.2241, 27.8323 56.2278, 27.8413 56.2275, 27.8439 56.232, 27.8421 56.2361, 27.8343 56.2368, 27.8381 56.2406, 27.8578 56.2606, 27.8715 56.2603, 27.8702 56.2684, 27.881 56.2689, 27.8887 56.2731, 27.9015 56.2747, 27.9063 56.2688, 27.9184 56.269, 27.9379 56.2769, 27.9386 56.2837, 27.936 56.289, 27.9281 56.2902, 27.9402 56.3019, 27.9504 56.3038, 27.9562 56.3012, 27.9672 56.3003, 27.9768 56.3001, 27.9851 56.306, 27.988 56.3132, 28.0102 56.3127, 28.0294 56.3142, 28.0381 56.3075, 28.0475 56.3024, 28.0455 56.2967, 28.0467 56.2929, 28.0547 56.2877, 28.0683 56.2847, 28.0935 56.2836, 28.0915 56.2735, 28.1002 56.2703, 28.1142 56.2593, 28.1169 56.2492, 28.1022 56.2333, 28.0962 56.2235, 28.09 56.2216, 28.0748 56.2203, 28.0745 56.2146, 28.0691 56.2123, 28.0731 56.2066, 28.0667 56.2028, 28.0556 56.2032, 28.0518 56.2096, 28.0618 56.2144, 28.0552 56.2176, 28.0371 56.2155, 28.0059 56.2105, 28.0022 56.2037, 27.9823 56.1969, 27.9597 56.1946, 27.9537 56.198, 27.94 56.1987, 27.9162 56.1911, 27.9139 56.1887, 27.916 56.1828, 27.906 56.179, 27.8935 56.1848, 27.8959 56.1917, 27.8893 56.1953, 27.8827 56.1953, 27.8651 56.1877, 27.8582 56.1793, 27.8487 56.1773, 27.8221 56.1859, 27.8186 56.1887, 27.8191 56.1946, 27.8114 56.1951)))
Example 3The Eldorado (Q850377) -> MULTIPOLYGON (((-73.96780484915345 40.78870352487395, -73.96772915278757 40.78867158815345, -73.96772072568622 40.78868312751259, -73.9672177682772 40.788470926605754, -73.96732430265111 40.788325058609225, -73.96757005740507 40.787988567612466, -73.96816636868412 40.78824015461601, -73.96806239118712 40.788382523854025, -73.96803579690763 40.788371304345056, -73.96799493513026 40.7884272537308, -73.96781814507344 40.78835266464139, -73.96786724666164 40.788285433438716, -73.96764778519437 40.78819284197438, -73.96760587159555 40.78825023082945, -73.96767850064056 40.788280874554246, -73.96760882792321 40.78837627206672, -73.96760403937697 40.7883828272676, -73.96759101649705 40.788377332351985, -73.96753141025457 40.78835218439684, -73.96750949600803 40.78838219011412, -73.9674881828311 40.788411372938874, -73.9677096798486 40.78850482435197, -73.96778558630133 40.78840089177481, -73.967794364973 40.78840459528682, -73.96793768571976 40.78846506335712, -73.96786968958304 40.788558165213736, -73.96789566794305 40.78856912524488, -73.96788416194728 40.78858488080388, -73.967853492309 40.78862687251297, -73.96785910352602 40.78862923879314, -73.96780484915345 40.78870352487395)))
Planned useWill do some import for Latvia-specific places and global items (countries e.g.)
See alsogeoshape (P3896)

Motivation[edit]

We currently can't set geometry of non-point objects. Although this may be the main job for OSM, information can be stored in Wikidata. And we can make prettier maps in SPARQL. P.S. Will add examples when will be at computer, which has software installed (tomorrow). Edgars2007 (talk) 10:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

@Edgars2007: What's wrong with using GeoJSON on Commons? I believe that's what some of the geographic maps on SPARQL already use. Also I'm not sure any values for this property will fit within the 400-character limit for string/external-id values. Mahir256 (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Mahir256: hmm, missed geoshape (P3896) somehow. What I don't like in that solution, is that it's split one by one. I can't have it in one place. So if I need to have data for all countries, i have to download 200 files, can't have simply one query to list all geometries. Agree on 400 character problem (is that really the limit?). There could be room for improvements. Reduced precision, which would be fine, because 10-14 places after decimal point is somewhere few mm precision. Also geometry simplification, but that would be bad :D Also we could encode them. --Edgars2007 (talk) 21:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Edgars2007: to complete the proposal, would you add at least one, if not three samples? --- Jura 17:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose So those examples clearly will not work within wikidata's constraints, they are both over 1000 characters. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Yeah, Q6089022#P370 only takes part of it. There is a request to increase the length of the string property. Maybe this can be done with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tabular_Data . --- Jura 03:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Germartin1 (talk) 13:38, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I just discovered a wonderful tool to copy-paste and see the shapes of the exemples: [3]. I recommend copy-pasting the POLYGON for The Eldorado (Q850377) for example. The City of New York provides in open source the WKT coordinates for every buildings of New York. --Deansfa (talk) 22:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Outer space[edit]

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