Wikidata:Property proposal/Place

Property proposal:	Generic	Authority control	Person	Organization
	Creative work	Place	Sports	Sister projects
	Transportation	Natural science	Computing	Lexeme

See also

• Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending – properties which have been approved but which are on hold waiting for the appropriate datatype to be made available
• Wikidata:Properties for deletion – proposals for the deletion of properties
• Wikidata:External identifiers – statements to add when creating properties for external IDs
• Wikidata:Lexicographical data – information and discussion about lexicographic data on Wikidata

This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property

1. Search if the property already exists.
2. Search if the property has already been proposed.
3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
4. Select the right datatype for the property.
5. Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
6. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.

Creating the property

1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
2. Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
3. See property creation policy.

On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2024/04.

Hierarchy of administrative territorial entities

Properties proposed in RfC "Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories"

recognition

   Under discussion

Description	international recognition of the statement (use as qualifier for P31, P17, and P131)
Data type	Item
Example 1	Armenia (Q399)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078) → "international recognition of Armenia"
Example 2	Crimea (Q7835)country (P17)Russia (Q159) → "recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia"
Example 3	Israel (Q801)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078) → international recognition of Israel (Q6055209)

recognized by

   Under discussion

Data type	Item
Example 1	international recognition of Kosovo (Q23052) → United States of America (Q30)
Example 2	"recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" → Sudan (Q1049)
Example 3	"international recognition of Armenia" → United States of America (Q30)

not recognized by

   Under discussion

Data type	Item
Example 1	"international recognition of Armenia" → Pakistan (Q843)
Example 2	"recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" → Italy (Q38)
Example 3	international recognition of Kosovo (Q23052) → Madagascar (Q1019)

jurisdiction status

   Under discussion

Description	jura statuso (eo) / Статус юрисдикции (ru) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data type	Item
Allowed values	de jure (Q132555), de facto (Q712144), de jure/de facto (Q63813883)
Example 1	Taiwan (Q57251)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)People's Republic of China (Q148) → de jure (Q132555)
Example 2	Bir Tawil (Q620634)country (P17)Egypt (Q79) → de facto (Q712144)
Example 3	Taiwan (Q22502)country (P17)Taiwan (Q865) → de jure/de facto (Q63813883)

Motivation

These proposed properties are part of a broader proposal at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories. Please comment there. --Yair rand (talk) 07:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

•  Support All David (talk) 07:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
•  Comment What's "de jure, de facto"? Should have both de jure and de facto items? Or a new item called this should be created? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

  @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Liuxinyu970226: I had hoped for discussion on this to be kept on the page for the RfC itself, if everyone's okay with that. (@Liuxinyu970226, as explained on the RfC, the proposal is for a new item labelled "de jure, de facto" to be created, which would be for those which are both de jure and de facto authorities over disputed territories.) --Yair rand (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

  @Yair rand: Another interesting thing is that, how the second and third proposals are not covered-able by statement supported by (P3680) and statement disputed by (P1310). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• Interesting proposal. I do see plenty of advantages. --- Jura 19:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
•  Support This will give lot of important information! -Theklan (talk) 14:55, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support NMaia (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Comment I think we should sort out the relation to existing properties before creating this. Per RFC (and later linked from one of the properties), this should also replace existing ones. It's not clear why though. --- Jura 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
•  Support I would like to add the ISO 2 Code of the country it is recognized by, this would help massively with subsequent data integration instead of just showing the country names (they are always spelled differently across data sources, whereas standardized ISO codes simplifies data integration) --- AddNPBot 11:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose in current form of proposals.  Support the "recognized by" property if both the domain and value type constraint are changed to state (Q7275). Qualifier statement is subject of (P805) can then be used with the new "recognized by" property with a value type of international recognition of a country (Q19602404). Dhx1 (talk) 13:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
•  Support Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 23:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose in current form, and  Support in the form presented by Dhx1 TiagoLubiana (talk) 15:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
•  Oppose--Dispe (talk) 12:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Support for “recognized by”, “not recognized by”, “jurisdiction status”.  Oppose for “recognition”. Already statement is subject of (P805) can be used. --Wdpp (talk) 18:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Support seems useful for items about countries. --IWI (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Support «recognized by» and «not recognized by».  Oppose the other two: «jurisdiction status» is nature of statement (P5102), «recognition» is statement is subject of (P805). --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
•  Support recognition, recognized by and not recognized by.  Weak oppose jurisdiction status. Ari T. Benchaim ^(talk) 01:35, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

So, this page was specifically not supposed to be the discussion area for the proposals, as mentioned. (See also the lack of a "discussion" section on this page.) The actual proposal is described on the linked RFC page, and is not described on this page. Many of the comments above do not seem to be regarding the actual proposed properties as described in the RFC. The proposal and discussion area are at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories. This page exists to be a pointer to there. --Yair rand (talk) 04:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Yair rand: Hi - it's been over 2 years since this proposal and RFC were started; there have been a few comments on the RFC since you last commented here, can you respond and perhaps we can settle where to go from here now? Another editor had marked these as ready but I am not sure on that (but they could be!) ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
• After a member of the WikiProject Human rights had asked me today how to model that citizens of certain countries don't have certain rights, I created the proposal (not) officially recognized by . I embarrassingly missed that this proposal already existed ... however seeing that 1) this proposal has been met with opposition because it suggests "recognition" which can just be modeled with statement is subject of (P805) and "jurisdiction status" ... which can also just be modeled with nature of statement (P5102) & statement disputed by (P1310) and 2) that this proposal has apparently been abandoned it's probably good that I created a new proposal.

So please check out my proposal (not) officially recognized by ... I also have examples for human rights, animal rights, religions and atrocities and suggestions for some property constraints :)

--Push-f (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Geographic location

population by ethnic group

   Under discussion

Description	Part of a larger population isolated for statistical analysis
Data type	Quantity
Allowed values	positive integers and 0
Example 1	⟨ Galda de Jos (Q16425261)    ⟩ Sandbox-Quantity (P1106) ⟨ 278 ⟩ ethnic group (P172) ⟨ Hungarians (Q133032)    ⟩ source: National Institute of Statistics (Q6973708) https://www.recensamantromania.ro/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Tabel-2.02.1-si-Tabel-2.02.2.xlsx
Example 2	⟨ Baranya County (Q186195)    ⟩ Sandbox-Quantity (P1106) ⟨ 5438 ⟩ ethnic group (P172) ⟨ Croats (Q167420)    ⟩ source: Hungarian Central Statistical Office (Q1125966) https://nepszamlalas2022.ksh.hu/adatbazis/#/table/WBS009
Example 3	⟨ Pristina (Q25270)    ⟩ Sandbox-Quantity (P1106) ⟨ 426 ⟩ ethnic group (P172) ⟨ Macedonians (Q2436423)    ⟩ (from previous proposals)
See also	population (P1082), male population (P1540), female population (P1539)

Motivation

Ethnic group is a very important linguistic and cultural property, strongly related to first language (Q36870) spoken. Even Wikidata is available in multiple languages. Many statistical offices publish data for this property.

The usage for this property would be the same as for population (P1082), with mandatory qualifier ethnic group (P172).

I think it is more important and more relevant to store this information on Commons in json. --Bean49 (talk) 12:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

• Previous discussion: Wikidata:Property proposal/subpopulation, Wikidata:Property proposal/subpopulation 2, Wikidata:Property proposal/subpopulation 3 which contain three different proposed models about such info.--GZWDer (talk) 15:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

  None of them opposes this proposal. Many concludes to this. My point is, that this criterion is much more important than the others, and it shouldn't be dropped because of the others. We have tons of population by ethnic group data and we can't share them between Wikipedias, and we have to store them in template parameter values. Bean49 (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

  The property wouldn't generate the data. The data exist as we speak, but we don't have the possibility to store them. It doesn't help the situation saying that there are infinitely more criteria. I'm saying that this is an important data currently stored in template parameter values, and it needs a property to be able to store it in Wikidata. Bean49 (talk) 01:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

  @GZWDer:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Support, an important property for localities.--Arbnos (talk) 15:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
• @Bean49:, could you please fulfil the minimum requirements, at least 3 example! Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 05:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  @ZI Jony: Thank you for your attention. I completed the 3 examples. Regards, Bean49 (talk) 14:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose No serious statistician would ever count people by "ethnic group", it is too loosely defined. The best approximation to counting immigrants groups would be to group people by their country of origin and count their children as well. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  You are in mistake. Several Statistical Offices of countries collect and publish this data, it is a very important indicator of inhabitants. See examples, and there are plenty more. Again, the data exist from serious official sources, we only want to store it, to be able to show, and not to store it in template parameter values. Bean49 (talk) 13:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

That's a logical fallacy and a strawman. Just because a group of people do or say something does not mean it has any merit whatsoever. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It is official country statistical office against your opinion. I would like to store official data. What is wrong with it? Bean49 (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It is not an opinion, it is basic logic and basic statistics. If the method used for collecting the data is flawed then so is the data. Infrastruktur (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• This shouldn't be discussion about the nature of the data, this should be discussion about how to store official data of country statistical offices, not one, but many. This property would be the most appropriate way. Thanks for any support, and appreciate if some one creates it. Bean49 (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

By that same logic should we store craniometry data as well? I'm sure Paul Broca would be delighted. Infrastruktur (talk) 16:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bean49:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Infrastruktur:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@ZI Jony: Infrastruktur didn't comment about how to store official statistical data. He expressed what he likes, and what he don't. Population by ethnic group is a very important statistical data collected and published by many statistical offices and this property would be the most appropriate way to store it. Currently Wikimedia sites have to store this data in template parameter values with no possibility to share them between them. Bean49 (talk) 08:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

It came in my mind that there are countries where there exist laws based on this data. Bean49 (talk) 17:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Architectural structure

‎AccessAble venue ID

   Under discussion

Represents	AccessAble (Q96635767)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Sea Life London Aquarium (Q3312744) → 1dc5a78a-3f7f-4a49-8b28-429deb3709e8
Example 2	Church of St John The Baptist (Q26672714) → 25a448bd-038d-4100-b42e-6cd3e4152918
Example 3	Finsbury Park railway station (Q536796) → 30fa8272-b18f-4c3c-832c-451b211b9fef
Example 4	Andover War Memorial Hospital (Q23926537) → 7667ed5d-d9be-1d4e-99ca-2400bc2234e2 ↳ subject named as (P1810) → Andover War Memorial Hospital
Example 5	Andover War Memorial Hospital (Q23926537) → 321b80ee-57e9-da46-a58d-a68b460ab263 ↳ subject named as (P1810) → Chapel
Example 6	Andover War Memorial Hospital (Q23926537) → 4cdf8e59-ac5f-114c-bec3-383630c72902 ↳ subject named as (P1810) → Maternity Ultrasound
Example 7	Banbridge Library (Q55263395) → c97b28f6-9d46-7643-b6fc-969018730868
Example 8	Dublin Connolly railway station (Q2543742) → 8b93cbee-f58f-449d-86ab-dd333233f62a
Example 9	Chester Zoo (Q3139243) → 898982f4-adff-4662-96c7-ab3bae58a406
Source	https://www.accessable.co.uk/
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.accessable.co.uk/searches?query=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	AccessAble (Q96635767)
Single-value constraint	no
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

AccessAble (formerly known as DisabledGo) is a resource with tens of thousands of accessibility guides for venues in the United Kingdom and Ireland. The information in the guides is highly reliable and gathered from real surveys, providing detailed information and photographs documenting the accessibility of the venues. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

• Jheald (talk) 09:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC) Fabian Tompsett (WMUK) (talk) 08:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC) Charles Matthews (talk) 09:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC) Filceolaire (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2015 (UTC) Danrok (talk) 13:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits JJBullet (talk) 10:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC) Yirba (talk) 09:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject UK and Ireland --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 17:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
• Examples 5 and 6 are incorrect; the "subject" is not named as shown; it seems "applies to part" is meant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed it's not the correct way - I was hoping for some input on that. applies to part (P518) is an item datatype and I don't think it's sustainable to create an item for every part of a venue that may have an accessibility guide. Would object named as (P1932) perhaps work here? Lewis Hulbert (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Outer space

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