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Geographic location[edit]

historical region[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptiongeographic area which at some point in time had a cultural, ethnic, linguistic or political basis, regardless of present-day borders
Representshistorical region (Q1620908)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"země" in cs:šablona:Infobox - sídlo
Domainhuman settlement (Q486972)
Allowed valuesinstance of (P31) historical region (Q1620908)
Example 1Prague (Q1085)Bohemia (Q39193)
Example 2Brno (Q14960)Moravia (Q43266)
Example 3Wrocław (Q1799)Silesia (Q81720)
Example 4Nantes (Q12191)Brittany (Q327)
Planned useInfoboxes, queries
See alsolocation (P276), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)

Motivation[edit]

Historical regions are sometimes a very strong part of the local identity. Some of them could be a past administrative entity, some of them not.

In my opinion in this case location (P276) is too general, located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) with start time (P580) and end time (P582) qualifiers is inaccurate, as some of these regions were not an administrative entity, but mainly end time (P582) qualifiers in inappropriate, as people still feel to be part of the historical region, even it has been dissolved or divided. Jklamo (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support this does sound helpful, we seem to get a lot of questions from users about this sort of thing. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Tasmanian Heritage Register ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionTasmanian heritage place identification number
RepresentsTasmanian Heritage Register (Q21020441)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainheritage site (Q358) and (work (Q386724) or geographic location (Q2221906))
Allowed values[1-9]\d{0-4}
Example 1Hobart Town Hall (Q16892358) → 2466
Example 2St John's Anglican Church, New Town (Q29300454) → 2740
Example 3Hobart Real Tennis Club (Q5874746) → 2260
Sourcehttps://heritage.tas.gov.au/heritage-listed-places/search-the-register
Planned usematching for WLM-Australia
Number of IDs in source11977
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoAustralian Heritage Database Place ID (P3008)

Motivation[edit]

There is a big push right now to get Australian heritage items listed before WLM-Australia. 99of9 (talk) 12:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Even if the linked source page says "To complete a search: press the Ctrl button and the F button on your keyboard (hold them down together)". Bet that works well on mobile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, I've already been through the nightmare of trying to convert a 330 page PDF into a spreadsheet. I made it out the other side, and the whole table is now safely in openrefine. Their locations are easier to deal with than Western Australia where most of the locations were specified with driving distances and directions. --99of9 (talk) 13:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Status[edit]

State of conservation / state of use[edit]

   Ready Create
DescriptionTo indicate state of conservation / state of use of a building, monument, etc. It is not related with its heritage protection (heritage designation (P1435)), but to its present state of conservation or use. Ex.: ruinous, demolished, reformed, correct, abandoned, in use, temporarily closed, etc.
Representsstatus (Q55553838)
Data typeItem
Template parameterestat_us in ca:template:infotaula edifici.
status in en:template:Infobox_building.
erhaltungszustand in de:Vorlage:Infobox Burg.
stato attuale in it:Template:Infobox stazione della metropolitana.
estado in es:Plantilla:Ficha de túnel
etc.
Domaingeographical object (Q618123), construction (Q811430), human-made geographic object (Q35145743) and its subclasses
Allowed valuesThis property is multi-value. Some exemple, but not exclusives, are:
operatively: in use (Q55654238), open to the public (Q55570821), closed to the public (Q55570340), temporarily closed (Q55653430), closed, ....
conservation: correct, reformed, abandoned, in danger (Q55555088), ruins (Q109607), demolished, destroyed artwork (Q21745157), destroyed settlement (Q22674930), destroyed city (Q14616455), etc.
Some combinations could seems contradictorial, but are possible; for instance: ruins (Q109607) + open to the public (Q55570821) in a archaeological site (Q839954)
Item should be subclass of status (Q55553838).
Possible qualifiers: start time (P580), end time (P582), point in time (P585), applies to part (P518) (when refers to a specific part), but not only.
Allowed unitsN/A
Example 1Parthenon (Q10288) → partially destroyed or ruins (Q109607) + open to the public (Q55570821)
Example 2London Eye (Q160659)in use (Q55654238)
Example 3World Trade Center (Q11235) → value destroyed (P585=2001)
Example 4Casa Vicens (Q746333) → open to the public (P580=2017)
Format and edit filter validationN/A
SourceAs a exemple, but not the only source. In any case, this property may hold an "unofficial" description of a changeable value. So, the sources may be anyone.
Planned useincorporate in building infobox to get WD contents instead to be a manual parameter
Number of IDs in sourceDon't know. Probably, they must be moved from present values in infoboxes
See alsoDiscussion that promoted this proposal

Motivació

Incorporate as a WD property the most popular Infoboxes concepts that are now only available manual parameters. The goal is to be able to get all the common and usual parameters from WD. Amadalvarez (talk) 08:35, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Seems like a sensible suggestion. Only thought that came to mind looking at the examples is that a building could have more than one of these - so the London Eye (Q160659) is both "in use" and "Open to the public", but I think that is OK. JerryL2017 (talk) 10:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @JerryL2017: Yes, you're right. In fact, "in use" should be an exceptional use, because "no info" should means "normal status", "in use", etc. in order to avoid overload this information. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

GLAMOS glacier ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a Swiss glacier on the GLAMOS website
RepresentsGLAMOS (Q55856670)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainglacier (Q35666)
Allowed values[a-z]+
Example 1Aletsch Glacier (Q204658)aletsch
Example 2Boveire Glacier (Q4950520)boveyre
Example 3Tiefen Glacier (Q7800984)tiefen
Sourcehttp://swiss-glaciers.glaciology.ethz.ch/glacierlist.html
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useTemplate:Geographical links (Q28528875)
Number of IDs in source122
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://swiss-glaciers.glaciology.ethz.ch/glaciers/$1.htm
CountrySwitzerland (Q39)
See alsoWorld Glacier Inventory ID (P1404), Gridabase glacier ID (P3707)

Motivation[edit]

This new Wikidata property for authority control for places (Q19829908) would improve our coverage of the geography of Switzerland (Q215941). Thierry Caro (talk) 22:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Carthalia ID[edit]

   Ready Create
DescriptionID of a page at "Carthalia - Theatres on Postcards"
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaintheater (Q24354), concert hall (Q1060829), movie theater (Q41253), venue (Q17350442)
Allowed values[1-9]/d{0,5}
Example 1Konzerthaus Ravensburg (Q1464212)1
Example 2National Theatre Mannheim (Q290852)2
Example 3Kurtheater Bad Gleichenberg (Q56022593)3
Sourcehttp://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usecomplete match within weeks
Number of IDs in source2498
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/id/$1
Robot and gadget jobsnot necessary
See alsoEUTA theatre ID (P4535), Theatres Trust Database ID (P4079), Cinema Treasures ID (P4129)

Motivation[edit]

My site is frequently quoted in many major Wikipedia projects, and has c. 90 uses on Wikidata right now (mostly in the described at URL (P973) property). I am currently introducing permanent links with simple IDs on the site and would match the whole database (ca. 2500 buildings) with the new Wikidata property within weeks on my own (while removing the then redundant P973 occurences). --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 07:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Hold I support in principle; but we should not do this while there are only 79 live IDs. Wait until there are, say, 200. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
    Over 2400 now. I had just started the proposal a bit too early since I know how long it can take and I'd like to do most of the work in my holidays starting 20 Aug... --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Theatrum ID[edit]

   Done. Theatrum ID (P5634) (Talk and documentation)
DescriptionID at the Theatrum website
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainno label (Q16327113), Roman theatre (Q19757)
Allowed values[^\s\/]+
Example 1Théâtre antique d'Orange (Q958961)121
Example 2Ancient theatre of Taormina (Q747484)1212
Example 3Roman theater at Mainz (Q454527)mainz
Sourcehttp://theatrum.de/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usematch website with Wikidata (and correct Wikidata content, since there are many misleading and double entries in this field), create some items not yet on Wikidata
Number of IDs in source> 1000
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://theatrum.de/$1.html
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'Match is possible
See alsoWikidata:Property proposal/Amphi-Theatrum ID

Motivation[edit]

A comprehensive website by an official German archeological conservation office about ancient theatres in Europe and around the Mediterranean Sea. Its main advantage over sites that only feature descriptions of buildings is that it also assembles inscriptions and lots and lots of mentions in Ancient literature for each theatre (plus a modern bibliography, and often pictures). The IDs in the URLs are somewhat hetereogenous (mostly simply a number, but in rare cases also a name in letters, see example 3 above), but they have remained permanent since the launch of the site 7 years ago, so I think it's preferable to have an ID property instead of using described at URL (P973) for so many items. --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 11:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Amphi-Theatrum ID[edit]

DescriptionID at the Amphi-Theatrum website
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainRoman amphitheatre (Q7362268)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Roman amphitheater of Fréjus (Q276063)1540
Example 2Avenches amphitheatre (Q2844395)2723
Example 3Colosseum (Q10285)1373
Sourcehttp://amphi-theatrum.de/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usematch website with Wikidata (and correct Wikidata content, since there are many misleading and double entries in this field), create some items not yet on Wikidata
Number of IDs in sourcehundreds
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://amphi-theatrum.de/$1.html
Robot and gadget jobsMix'n'Match is possible
See alsoWikidata:Property proposal/Theatrum ID

Motivation[edit]

See sister proposal for "Theatrum ID". (Note: The IDs here seem to be all just a number, but since the sister site Theatrum has some others, I'd prefer to allow any text.) --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 11:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Expedia hotel ID[edit]

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for an hotel on the Expedia website
RepresentsExpedia, Inc. (Q8085893)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainlodging (Q5056668)
Allowed valuesString
Example 1
Example 2
  • Big Meadows Lodge (Q47524953)h421518
  • Example 3
  • Raffles Hotel (Q1538837)h20409
  • Sourcehttps://www.expedia.com/
    External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
    Planned useTemplate:Tourism links (Q50592696)
    Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
    Formatter URLhttps://www.expedia.com/$1.Hotel-Information
    See alsoBooking.com hotel ID (P3607), Hotels.com hotel ID (P3898)

    Motivation[edit]

    This Wikidata property related to tourism (Q29110152) would improve our coverage of hospitality industry (Q1495452). Thierry Caro (talk) 05:53, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

    Discussion[edit]

    • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:59, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol support vote.svg Support by analogy with the other two mentioned properties (which I must have forgotten we had!). Mahir256 (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

    end point[edit]

       Under discussion
    Descriptionend point of a linear geographic feature
    Representsend (Q12769393)
    Data typeGeographic coordinates
    Domaingeographical object (Q618123)
    Example 1International Date Line (Q131389) → (90° N, 180° E) and (90° S, 180° E)
    Example 2Interstate 90 (Q94958) → (47.59213° N, 122.32717° W) and (42.37612° N, 71.02880° W)
    Example 3Koltsevaya line (Q831673)no value
    Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
    See alsocoordinate location (P625)

    Motivation[edit]

    This would be useful for roads and other linear features, for which coordinate location (P625) is not very useful due to its single value constraint. Jc86035 (talk) 14:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

    Discussion[edit]

    • It didn't occur to me that this could be done as a qualifier to terminus (P559), although that doesn't really work for e.g. roads with dead ends. Jc86035 (talk) 17:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Hmm, I think using terminus (P559) is better - if there's nothing at the end of the road, you could still put in a novalue as value and coordinate location as qualifier. ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Arthur. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

    coordinate location GCJ02[edit]

       Under discussion
    DescriptionCoordinate location in GCJ02 (Q29043602)
    Representsgeographic coordinate system (Q22664)GCJ02 (Q29043602)
    Data type⧼calculated property⧽ (not available yet)
    Domaingeographic coordinate system (Q22664)
    Allowed valuesDirectly computed from existing values of other property
    Allowed unitsdegree
    Example 1Tiananmen (Q83973) → 116.397499E,39.908722N
    Example 2Oriental Pearl Tower (Q223207) → 121.49945027E,31.24000146N
    Example 3Potala Palace (Q71229) → 91.11850479E,29.65507281N
    Example 4Shenzhen Railway Station (Q837327) → 114.1262E,22.5317N
    SourceGCJ02 (Q29043602)
    Number of IDs in sourceUnlimited
    Expected completenessApply automatically to all wikidata entry with coordinate within mainland China area
    Robot and gadget jobsYes
    See alsocoordinate location (P625), Wikidata:Property proposal/Coordinate reference system

    Motivation[edit]

    Make it easier for users to use Chinese online map C933103 (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

    Background: en:Restrictions on geographic data in China#GCJ-02. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

    Discussion[edit]

    • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose This can be calculated from existing coordinates values. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Andy. Mahir256 (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Answer @Mahir256, Pigsonthewing: That is why I proposed using the calculated property data type. The data type is "calculated by Wikibase and added directly to items".C933103 (talk) 04:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
      • @C933103: As long as that data type is "[n]ot in [the] development plan", this proposal will remain on hold, irrespective of potential outcome, until you withdraw it or it dies at the hands of a property creator. (In contrast, back in May when people were proposing properties with lexeme datatype despite the lack of lexemes at the time, those proposals could remain and go forward since at least the lexeme datatype was being worked on and prepared for deployment within the lifetime of those proposals.) Mahir256 (talk) 11:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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