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Best regards, Stryn (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! I can't wait to see this in use on the Hungarian Wikipedia. Jane023 (talk) 13:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

landscape with fighting bulls (Q17319694)[edit]

Hello, I am having a look at the Rijksmuseum stuff. As you seem to have quite a good knowledge of Dutch Golden age painting, can you tell if the painter of landscape with fighting bulls (Q17319694) (= [1]) is Dirk van den Berg (Q89329). --Zolo (talk) 18:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh actually he is the creator mentioned in File:Dirck van Bergen 002.jpg, so I suppose he is the same :). --Zolo (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
When in doubt you can always check the RKD if they have it online (which they usually do for the Rijksmuseum). I added the RKD number. Jane023 (talk) 19:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

"Descriptions begin with a lowercase letter except …"[edit]

… as Help:Description#Capitalization points out. That is why I changed a description you added. Just to inform you. Cheers, --Marsupium (talk) 14:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

OK I'll try to remember Jane023 (talk) 15:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Biografisch portaal en Teylers[edit]

Hoi Jane, wat denk jij ervan om http://www.biografischportaal.nl/ hier toe te voegen? Is denk ik ook wel een aardige voor mix'n'match. Ben de schilderijen van het Teylers aan het toevoegen dus deze lijst zal nog wel langer worden. Multichill (talk) 22:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Jaaaa! Leuk idee. Heerlijk dat wij de Teylers schilderijen al hebben op Commons. De BP database zit vol met fouten, maar Wikipedia en RKD ook, dus laat maar komen, wat mij betreft - the more the merrier! Jane023 (talk) 07:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Zat ik braaf pagina in te vullen, kom ik erachter dat Biografisch Portaal number (P651) al bestaat. Ik heb deze property maar een wat duidelijkere naam gegeven zodat deze wel terug te vinden is. Ik zal Magnus vragen of hij het aan Mix'n'Match kan toevoegen.
Er is al botmatig een slag gemaakt om de BP nummers in de Authority Control template te verwerken op de engelse Wikipedia. De artikelen met BPN nummers aldaar zijn hier te vinden. Jane023 (talk) 11:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Wat betreft Teylers, fijn om te horen. Dat zal nog wel even handmatig puzzelen worden wat zo te zien missen de id's op Commons en dan kan mijn bot ze niet vinden. Multichill (talk) 10:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, het lijstje dat nog gedaan moet worden. Multichill (talk) 11:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Ik zal ernaar kijken. Toen wij aan het Teylers project begonnen hadden zij niet eens de id's op hun website. Je moest ze opzoeken in de RKD. Heel omslachtig, en de schilderijen waren al destijds ge-upload door een fotograaf met de "eigen werk" template ook nog. Ik heb ze wel allemaal in de juiste commons categorieen gezet, maar de id's koppelen aan de schilderijen zal beter gaan als je de id's eerst sorteert per schilder. Kijk hier als voorbeeld: Schilderij van Abraham Teerlink met title + datum, sinds upload is de licentie + creator aangepast maar bevat nog geen id nummer. Jane023 (talk) 11:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Dan zou ik die id's even lekker laten zitten en gewoon schilderijen hier erbij gaan zoeken. Het is me niet gelukt om bij elk schilderij een schilder te vinden. Ook omdat er voor sommige schilders nog geen item hier is.
Magnus is snel en heeft mix'n'match gevuld. Iets van 10% (8000) zijn automatisch gevonden, maar moeten nog nagelopen worden. Bedankt voor de hulp, we hoeven ons niet te vervelen! Multichill (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Done. --Magnus Manske (talk) 21:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Awesome! Jane023 (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

part of "loops"[edit]

Hello. On some items, you use the property part of (P361) that creates a "loop". For example, Portrait of Sara Wolphaerts van Diemen (Q17323911) is part of Portrait of Nicolaes Hasselaer (Q17323910) which (again) is part of Portrait of Sara Wolphaerts van Diemen (Q17323911). Do you mean to create a loop where two items are part of each other? What is the relation between these items that you want to express, and maybe there is a different property to use? Jefft0 (talk) 13:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! I hope I didn't do too many of those. These are portraits that were commissioned as a pair of pendants, and the "part of" will only work if I create an item for the set of paired portraits, but since there are hundreds of these, I believe we need another property such as "pendant of", since there are only two paintings in any set. Jane023 (talk) 13:42, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
@Jane023: Good point. We don't want to create an item just to represent the commission. Do you agree with proposing a new property "commissioned with" to handle this common situation? Jefft0 (talk) 13:44, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
I like the idea of "commissioned with" in the sense that you could have a series rather than more than two, but I think we still need something for the concept of pendant portrait pairs - especially when pendants are not commissioned with the same artist (for example some women liked to have a different artist than their husband chose, for whatever reason). Also, some portraits have been identified as a "pendant" even though the other half is missing or has never been documented. Jane023 (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
@Jane023: Thanks for the feedback. I suppose this issue arises for many collections, not just for collections of paintings. "To express that an item is part of a collection with other items, is it necessary to create a separate item for the collection?" I'm going to a Wikimedia meeting in Tarragona soon. I'll ask about it. Jefft0 (talk) 13:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes we have part of (P361) for parts of other works, and collection (P195) for parts of established collections, but it would be nice to have some way of indicating that works are connected as pendants, or if there are more than two, connected as related objects. An example of pendant portraits that today are physically located far apart from each other, but which originally hung side-by-side:

Have fun in Tarragona, Jane023 (talk) 14:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Teylers creators[edit]

Hi Jane, ik heb de lijst van schilderijen van Teylers zonder creator onder de 100 weten te krijgen. Zin om te helpen om het naar nul te krijgen? Multichill (talk) 21:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Ik heb wel effe snel het tot 50 gebracht, maar vele van de rest zijn nog niet op Wikidata (vreemd, want ik dacht dat wij bijna de gehele collectie op Wikipedia had gezet). Jane023 (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Hee Jane, bedankt voor het helpen. Ik heb wel je samenvoeging van no label (Q17348906) en Dekkersduin (Q2052566) ongedaan gemaakt. Hoezo had je die samengevoegd? Het ene item gaat over een schilderij en het andere over een duintje. Dat is toch niet hetzelfde?
Welke schilderijen mis je bijvoorbeeld? Kan je die bij Europeana vinden? Multichill (talk) 19:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Ik mis de schilderijen hier niet, maar op Wikipedia juist. Ik geloof wel dat je nu de complete collectie heb - zo veel schilderijen hebben zij niet. Ik klikte vanaf de 1ste en 2de schilderijen zalen naar de creators toe om te zien wie je allemaal al had. Sorry, die merge was inderdaad fout. Ik bedoelde no label (Q17348906) te mergen met View from Dekkersduin (Q474096). Ik haalde weer de concepten "schilderij"-"schilderij onderwerp" door elkaar. Jane023 (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, die had ik niet gezien. Heb het nu samengevoegd.
We zijn er bijna, nog maar een aantal.
Iets anders, ik heb deze twee lijstjes gemaakt
Vooral op die tweede lijst kom je boeiende tegen, zo heb ik net Piet Mondrian (Q151803) aangepast. Multichill (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Dank - dit zijn zeer interessante lijsten om allerlei redenen, niet alleen door de probleem die jij vond, maar ook doordat de spellingen van vooral oude namen hier een rol spelen. Mondriaan wordt internationaal vaak Mondrian gespeld, en er is veel werk aan de winkel mbt tot alternate names. Jane023 (talk) 11:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done Teylers is nu klaar. Als ik die lijstjes zo zie dan is er nog voldoende te doen. Multichill (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Er is trouwens nog voldoende te doen. Ik hoop dat ik een leuk lijstje van het Rijksmuseum kan krijgen. Dat scheelt al een heleboel schilders. Multichill (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Die is een goeie! Er is inderdaad nog werk aan de winkel. Ik ben nog steeds de rkd lijst aan het vullen met de Wikidata items die er al zijn. Daarna ga ik mijn resterende 4000 namen toevoegen, wie weet helpt dat. Jane023 (talk) 14:34, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Op User:Multichill/Rijksmuseum creators staan de namen die ik vandaag van het Rijksmuseum heb gekregen. Output van de bot: Current score after 1777 creators: 965 hits - 812 missed. Multichill (talk) 22:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Dit werkt helaas niet. Bij de volgende botrun is dat weer verdwenen. Je moet checken of de bestaande items exact hetzelfde label of alias hebben en occupation (P106) + country of citizenship (P27) erop hebben zitten. Dan pikt de bot het op. Multichill (talk) 09:10, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
OK, maar om alle alternatieve namen van de Rijksmuseum in te voegen is ook overdreven denk ik. Abraham van (I) Strij is geen echte pseudoniem (wel Abraham van Strij (I), wegens de RKD en Commons). Idem dito "Girolamo da Treviso (il Vecchio)". Enne, de oudere namen missen vaak country of citizenship (P27) wegens purisme op het gebied van nationaliteits grenzen door de eeuwen heen. Jane023 (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

CLARA-ID (P1615)[edit]

CLARA-ID (P1615) is ready. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Jane023 (talk) 22:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Re: Jacob de Gheyn III[edit]

The merge/split was done by a third user. At that time the feature of redirect ids was unavailable, so what looked as the right option to me was just delete the remaining ID, adding a note on deletion summary. Nothing on policy was changed and you are right about the lowest IDs, but is possible that the third user or was unaware about it or choose to create two new entries to prevent nem misunderstandings. The second option is reasonable also to me, and was in fact one of the reasons I've choose to simply delete instead of making further changes. Anyway, now no label (Q576295) redirects to Jacob de Gheyn III (Q17343011) and Jacob de Gheyn III (Q17343011) now includes some metadada that was lost on the manual split. Lugusto (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation! Sometimes I feel like I understand what's going on, and sometimes I get a bit lost here. Jane023 (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Toon Disney[edit]

Hier ging wat fout. Multichill (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Bedankt! Gebruiker PKM had die match gemaakt in Mix-n-Match en ik heb het gewoon meegenomen met een sync actie. Ik heb de match gecorrigeerd zodat het niet nog een keer gebeurt. Jane023 (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Ik kwam erachter dat infobxen op de nlwp ook RKD id erin hebben staan. Die ben ik nu aan het importeren. Best wel een hoop hits :-) Multichill (talk) 21:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Wat goed! Het begint echt een leuke dataset te worden. Jane023 (talk) 22:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Master of the Codex of Saint George (Q1918541)[edit]

Je blijft het dubbele nummer maar toevoegen zie ik. Multichill (talk) 23:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Ja, ik weet niet precies hoe het werkt met dubbelen. Ik match alles dat gematchd kan worden, en soms weet ik dat ik dubbelen toevoeg, maar ik kan niet zien aan de naam welke de "echte link is" en wlke de dubbel. De Mix-n-Match tool van Magnus zet vele dubbelen weer onder de "Y" knop als dubbelen. Bijvoorbeeld het item Adriana Spilberg (Q512339) heeft al 6 dubbelen staan onder "Double Qs in this catalog", maar ik zie maar eentje in haar Wikidata item. Ik neem aan dat dit niet handmatig, maar door een bot is gebeurd. Ik zal het vragen aan Magnus. Jane023 (talk) 08:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

pendant of (P1639) created[edit]

pendant of (P1639) is ready. Emw (talk) 01:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Great! Jane023 (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

curator (P1640) created[edit]

curator (P1640) is ready. Emw (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Really useful for exhibitions, thanks! Jane023 (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

PrepBio[edit]

Thanks for mentioning PrepBio. I didn't know about that! Now I have no excuse not to start an EN wiki article on Ernst Gombrich, which I've been meaning to do. - PKM (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I love PrepBio and I am waiting for a similar "PrepPlace". Happy editing in 2015! Jane023 (talk) 09:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm off the hook for Gombrich, though. It does exist. Happy New Year! - PKM (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

David Davidsz. de Heem (Q5232844)[edit]

Hoi Jane, ik snap niet hoe je deze edits hebt kunnen maken. Is een heel ander persoon. Ik zie dit soort fouten heel regelmatig voorbij komen van verschillende gebruikers. Kan jij me vertellen hoe het bij jou fout is gegaan? Multichill (talk) 19:42, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Deze edits komen uit Mix-n-Match. Af en toe zijn er foutieve matches, maar volgens mij zijn ze in de minderheid. In dit geval is dit persoon een combinatie van een daadwerkelijk persoon met een fictieve persoon en evt. kunstwerken zijn wel op naam van deze combi-persoon - zie voor meer info de WP artikel hier: en:David Davidsz de Heem. Jane023 (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Obscure schilders[edit]

Hoi Jane, zin om te helpen met puzzelen? Ik heb nog wat "obscure" schilders in de aanbieding bij Frans Hals en het Rijksmuseum. Multichill (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Ik heb de FHM gehalveerd. Er zitten idd erg obscure schilders bij, maar dat is juist leuk (ook een paar dames!) Jane023 (talk) 08:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Qualifiers vs references[edit]

Hoi Jane, bedankt voor je hulp met het Guggenheim, maar er is iets niet helemaal goed gegaan. Je hebt referenties opgenomen als qualifiers. Wat het zou moeten zijn is een inventory number (P217) met als qualifier collection (P195) -> Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum (Q201469) en dan als referentie reference URL (P854) -> url en ook retrieved (P813) -> vandaag. Zie bijvoorbeeld deze edit waar ik het herstel. Ik zal deze schilderijen langslopen. Zou je hier in de toekomst op willen letten? Dubbel werk is natuurlijk zonde. Wellicht dat dit ook op andere plekken fout is gegaan? Multichill (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I follow this logic (the inventory number is only meaningful when the collection is noted with it). I just hope I can remember to do it this way. Sorry for the mistake, Jane023 (talk) 10:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
No problem, mistakes happen. Thanks for helping out with this. Guggenheim is currently importing, maybe you can help out with the MOMA puzzle? These are all missing an inventory number. Multichill (talk) 11:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Names[edit]

Hi,

Instead of adding names in one language, like this, I like to use the "VIP's labels" tools, and add them to all languages using the Western alphabet, in one go, like this. Perhaps that's of interest to you, too? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes I feel a bit bad about only adding the Dutch names, but I noticed lots of them have Dutch in the name too. I am just copying them from the Mix-n-Match download for RKDartists. I figure afterwards I can check for all cases where the English name is equal to the Dutch name. For those cases I do want to propagate these names into all euro languages, but I don't know how to do that with the VIP's labels - can I set it up as a batch process? Jane023 (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't think so; but see instructions at User:Jitrixis/nameGuzzler.js. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

More YP numbers[edit]

I did a bit more: we might see the PCF again, but that is in any case several months away.

User:Charles Matthews/YourPaintings report#Linkage is a new venture, while the added column on the same page about cross-matching shows some checking of the work, plus the effects of a drive to push up the ULAN identifications. The linkage obviously relates to translation possibilities for enWP. An important practical step is to have concrete lists of those, language by language (of those chosen, French is the only one where I can hold my own). So ... it is quite a big deal that Magnus's efforts last week (PagePile tool) offer a route to such lists.

Charles Matthews (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Interesting numbers! I wonder if the numbers going down from July to August are doubles that were merged or incorrect matches? In any case it looks like a lot more VIAF got matched and a few others. You have been busy! I honestly haven't even looked at PagePile yet. Will try to do that soon. Thanks for your efforts on this! Jane023 (talk) 19:45, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Q20003677[edit]

Hoi Jane, ik heb no label (Q20003677) verwijderd. Daar iets mis gegaan want de enige inhoud was "schilderij door Pieter de Hooch" in verschillende talen, voor de rest was het helemaal leeg. Multichill (talk) 12:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

OK thanks - no idea how it got created, but I recall some problems with connectivity back in June when I was working on these Hooches. Jane023 (talk) 12:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Jenny Zillhardt[edit]

Hi Jane,

It's not a nickname. In fact her real name is Marguerite-Valentine-Jenny Zillhardt. Thx for your article in English, it encouraged me to write a French version ;) Pyb (talk) 08:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! But then that's the name that should be in the alias, no? Now there is no trace of the other name at all. Jane023 (talk) 08:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Don't be afraid, I have just correct your mistake. If you want to add something to the item, it's a wiki! Pyb (talk) 13:50, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, but I am still afraid that your corrections are not correct. To me, you left this item less correct that you found it. Though I appreciate that you have found another name spelling for this person, correct behavior is to add the new alias, not delete the "wrong" alias. If someone was searching for Marguerite Valentine they will not find her. I am still confused by your behavior. I am also mystified why you wouldn't add this alias to the French label. I will try to repair the item as I would have made the edit and hope you can see what I mean. I hope you haven't been making a habit of this. Jane023 (talk) 16:08, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Could you please assume good faith? I added a lot of informations on this item, I added pictures of Jenny on Commons and wrote an article in French!
I probably made a mistake by adding "Marguerite-Valentine-Jenny Zillhardt" to the property birth name (P1477) and removing the alias. I was not sure of me. But why you don't stop complaining about that tiny problem and just add the correct alias?
I was happy to talk to you beacause I like your work. But now, I'm just disappointed by your overreaction. I hope that we will have other opportunities to talk together. As the first time was not very pleasant ;) Pyb (talk) 16:29, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I apologize for coming across as an unpleasant person - who knows I might even be an unpleasant person - it's hard for me to tell. I certainly am not accusing you of bad-faith. I am worried that you don't understand what the alias field is for. As I have tried to show, the alias field should be stuffed with anything that will improve searches for the item. These searches can be from anywhere, not just Wikidata. Possibly direct searches will pick up text locked in any properties, but input line searches are only returning text from the label, description, and aliases. Please note that I did not remove any of the other iformation that you added - I only restored information that you removed. Thanks for the compliment! I hope I haven't put you off Wikidata editing. And again, sorry for the annoyance. Jane023 (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Project Gutenberg ebook identificatiecode[edit]

I created Project Gutenberg ebook ID (P2034) for this. Mbch331 (talk) 09:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I will use it. Jane023 (talk) 09:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Auto-translations[edit]

Did you really use Google Translate for edits like this? German Wikipedia is not amused. Less than helpful. --Magnus Manske (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

A few of them - I tried to catch these but apparently not all of them. I am almost at 100 paintings, so of course I didn't hand translate all of them but only the most recent one. I think most titles are OK though, so this should not be a big problem (I wish I could just use Landschaft switched out with Wasserfall). Unlike what has been claimed in the discussion, Ruisdael titles have changed with each person or institution cataloging them, so claiming the list is worthless because the titles are incorrect is just silly. Actually Christoph suggested I use the title property and if I left the titles blank, then the Q numbers might be overwritten by Listeria with the contents of title (P1476) if it exists. In that case I could fill in the original titles (if available). Such an approach could be attempted for a Danish or Swedish list. That would give readers more information than the list of Q numbers that otherwise would be shown. Thanks for the efforts on my behalf btw - I do think it's an interesting discussion. I detect quite a bit of fear about loss of control. Did this happen when Commons was introduced? --Jane023 (talk) 17:46, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear Jane. None of the German titles are okay unless it is the official title used in German art history and temporary literature. The title of a painting is not guess work, there is always an official title that has been used in referenced literature. Especially a title like Zwei Unterschlächtiges Mühlen mit Men Öffnen einer Schleuse ([2]) is not even German. Now adding fake labels in a language that you don't seem to speak when I look at Q20804345 is ... well ... I'm shocked. That is not what Wikidata is about. Please remove all German labels that you added. Thank you. With best regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I am sorry you feel shocked. Please be aware that these titles have nothing to do with Wikipedia titles, which is what is selected when writing a Wikipedia article in for example, the German Wikipedia. These titles you are viewing are only meant to be more meaningful than q numbers, which are completely useless from a reader perspective. If you object to these titles appearing in the list, you can either change them or use the property for genre instead of title. I disagree by the way that there is one unique official title in each language for Ruisdael paintings. That is simply not true. --Jane023 (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
There are no official titles for lots of the paintings, you are right. I understood that a Label should represent the title of a Wikipedia article. Now for a painting this title should either come from literature or just using the original title. Now the attitude "I don't speak the language but I edit in the language anyway, I know that it's wrong, but no problem, you can change it" is not what minium quality is about. Especially not in Wikidata since many projects use data from Wikidata without looking at it. --Gereon K. (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
No the title in Wikidata reflects the item in Wikidata, just as the Wikipedia title reflects the article in Wikipedia, and the file title on Commons reflects the image. These are not and never will be the same concepts though they may on occasion be the same text. For example, I would have chosen to label all paintings of waterfalls (I think there are about 50 of them) "Wasserfall", but this is impossible due to other restrictions with label and description being the same. On Wikipedia, you could have "Wasserfall (Berlin)" or something like that. Again, I could remove the title column and you could browse the list by image, but this would lose all links to Wikidata (which might be a good thing, considering the emotional impact this has caused). --Jane023 (talk) 19:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Just fyi, it is completely unacceptable to add automated translation to Wikidata as labels. EOD. Adding nonsense in another language doesn't help anyone and you are well adviced to not use google translate for adding labels to wikidata items in future. If anyone looks for automated translation, they can use the translate system they want on the client side. Best regards -- Bene* talk 21:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Furthermore, I have to agree with Jane023 that an item's label isn't necessarily the official name of that subject. That's what we have official name (P1448) for. For translations of official names we still have to wait for the multilingual datatype afaik. -- Bene* talk 21:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
After discussion I am looking into using title (P1476) with a reference, which may be a fallback for empty labels in the case of artworks. There is no official name for paintings except those in one collection for more than a century or for which the artist has documented the title in a way that has stuck with the art trade. Since the German WIkipedia got so emotional about it, perhaps the label could just be removed from the list. They can always get to the WIkidata item through the image file, which they may be more comfortable with anyway. Jane023 (talk) 21:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the way to deal with this is to learn from the experience. The German list article is about to be nuked, to some degree because of the bogus translations that showed there. Someone gave me this as an example for a good list of paintings. By editing Wikidata and fiddling with the bot, we should be able to replicate that table, for that or another artist, say, in a user subpage here. Maybe throw some references in, to show that Wikidata can actually be better. That would go a huge way with the people worried about quality, though it won't impress the Luddites. Then again, nothing will. --Magnus Manske (talk) 22:01, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I totally agree. Don't worry I have big plans to forge ahead with Rembrandt. The only problem with this list is that so far no German Wikipedians have seen this who actually care about Ruisdael. I expect that will change over time too. I do think we need to force these conversations because we won't have them otherwise. Thinking it over, it would be nice to separate a column for actual links to articles (right now just one in dewiki) and for the wd links. Next I think it may be interesting to work with the title property with a language code. If the language has no title, then the next best title is used and so on. Jane023 (talk) 22:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Another weird thing they have is to combine the material and dimensions in one field. I don't think this is wise or pretty, and it seems a dewiki thing. Everywhere else dimensions and material are not combined. Oh and combining height & width in one field will be a challenge anyway I suppose. Jane023 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Reusing item numbers[edit]

Hi Jane!

I'm curious about your recent edits to Portrait of Jan Harmensz. Krul (Q18602834).

This item started out as a biography, which then got merged into Jan Harmenszoon Krul (Q2119242).

I see you have now re-used the item number, for a portrait of Jan Harmenszoon Krul (Q2119242), but I'm not quite sure why. Wouldn't it have been more usual to create a new item for the painting? Normally merged items are left that way, in case anyone ever wants to review the history. Jheald (talk) 22:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I figured since it is in a way a visual biography that it would be OK to reuse it. I don't think it does any harm. I would normally just create a new one, but this one was just left hanging there, so I picked it up. --Jane023 (talk) 22:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

short film (Q24862)[edit]

Hi Jane023,

I noticed you added a series of films. If they are short films, please use the above items with P31.
--- Jura 15:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

What is the limit for a short film? --Jane023 (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Good question. If your films are above 90 minutes, they are definitely not short films. WP mentions short shorts with < 3min. How long are yours?
--- Jura 19:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
between 15 minutes and 45 minutes. --Jane023 (talk) 19:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
The articles in es/fr at WP mention 30 minutes as limit. What do you think of that?
--- Jura 19:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, I really don't want to split the collection into short and long films. Why is there a separate item anyway? We have duration that should give an indication of length. --Jane023 (talk) 19:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
It's currently split in two by the WikiProject. I suppose you could probably put them all in short films. The running time property hasn't quite been sorted out yet.
--- Jura 20:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
OK I will take a look tomorrow. Jane023 (talk) 20:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long, Andy and I needed to discuss our vision how to move forward. We have decided on a sort of "taxonomy of TED" and the first edit shows how the P31 will change to a TED talk that is a short film as well as a lecture: see here --Jane023 (talk) 13:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Bot permsision request[edit]

FYI! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits

Oh that's funny! I didn't know you were doing that too. I am still uploading using this account for creations, because it occurred to me changes to those items will thus show up in my watchlist. I can use the other account for additions and changes to existing data and I have already started using it for that. It would be nice if I could make autolist run faster, but I understand that is a bug and not related to being a bot or not. --Jane023 (talk) 15:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Weird edits[edit]

Your bot is doing weird stuff like this. Could you please explain what this is for? Sealle (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes this does seem a bit weird. I meant to add labels to items without labels, but for Russian I accidently overwrote some existing labels. I will take a look. Jane023 (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
OK so there were two issues here; (1) updates to items that didn't need them (all fixed now) and (2) "weird" labels. I checked all the updates and noticed a few other weird ones, but there may be a few more. Hopefully the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of adding these labels. Jane023 (talk) 10:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Listeria bot on trwiki[edit]

Hello,

I can help create the mentioned template on trwiki , I've bot flag and familiar with the process. can you provide example for translation? thanks. -- Hakan·IST 18:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Wonderful, thanks! Here is the enwiki version: en:Template:Wikidata list and here it is on Wikidata: Template:Wikidata list. --Jane023 (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Death of Gijsbrechts[edit]

Hi Jane!

A couple of years ago, you added 1683 as year of death. From your previous edits to the item, I assume that your source was RKD. Is that correct? --Palnatoke (talk) 14:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. no way of knowing now. My usual source is RKD for Dutch/Flemish artists, but I will take whatever I can if they are not specific. I see the BPN also doesn't have a date. The English article says "after 1683" so I may have just copied it from there. Sorry, I know it's not much help. Jane023 (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
For the record, the RKD says around or in 1675, so you can both say it is uncertain as say it is definitely 1675. We don't have definite dates for half the painters in the 17th-century, so this is perfectly accurate. I changed the enwiki article to reflect 1675 as well. Jane023 (talk) 06:16, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Rembrandt puzzle[edit]

Hi Jane, can you have a look at Portrait of a Seated Jew in a Broad Black Hat (Q22116506) & A Bearded Man Wearing a Hat (Q21508783)? Both have the same catalog code show they show up at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Duplicate paintings, but these look like different paintings. Multichill (talk) 11:12, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Should be fine now. Both paintings are illustrated on the same page of the 1908 catalog, one on the left and one on the right. The Cleveland one had both catalog codes (left and right) listed, so I deleted the wrong one. Thanks for the heads up and am so happy I added the links to these! That made it very easy to debug. Jane023 (talk) 11:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
If you look at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Duplicate paintings#Items with same catalog code of the same catalog you'll find quite a few other Rembrandt paintings. Can you check these paintings too? Multichill (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Done. Not sure how those happened. Jane023 (talk) 13:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Europeana barnstar.svg The Europeana Barnstar
A small token of recognition for all your help with, and involvement in, the Europeana Art History Challenge right from the start. SoAPies gotta' stick together! Wittylama (talk) 21:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Maarten and Sandra both mentioned the challenge and SoAP last night at our GLAM dinner. Hopefully we will have recruited at least one editor: a guy interested in all thing Luxembourgian. :) We also talked about reviving the GLAM-nl mailinglist (which I am not even sure I am subscribed to) which would be a good place to send NL-related messages (bv the Gildemeester thing). Jane023 (talk) 08:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help![edit]

Hi Jane, thank for your help yesterday and your welcoming attitude to us newbies --Nattes à chat (talk) 07:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Help with matching Rijksmuseum paintings[edit]

Hi Jane, I hacked up User:Multichill/Zandbak to match Rijksmuseum paintings here with RKDimages. I could really use some help here. The way I do it:

  1. Open for the 10 images new tabs for Rijksmuseum, RKD and the quickstatements (21 tabs)
  2. Go through the tabs one by one
  3. If it's the same, just close them
  4. If it's a different painting, remove the line from quick statements
  5. When at the last tab (quick statements), submit it
  6. Go to the start, every once in a while remove the entries done on User:Multichill/Zandbak

Some things you might encounter:

  • Completely different paintings -> Just remove from quick statements and skip them, we'll catch them later
  • Multiple entries in RKDimages about the same painting that are exactly the same -> Just add them all, RKD plans to merge duplicates so this will help
  • Multiple entries in RKDimages for different parts of one triptych (or similar) -> Just add them all to the triptych, we'll figure out later if we want to split up too

I hope you're willing to spend some time on this! Multichill (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Ps. I wonder if @Spinster: wants to help too, maybe if I promise to make for Boijmans too after this one is done? ;-)

Lakenhal[edit]

Hoi Jane, via deze link kan je gemakkelijk de 7 missende drieluiken zien. Denk dat deze het beste met de hand kunnen worden aangemaakt hier. Overzicht van alle schilderijen staat op User:Multichill/Paintings in Museum De Lakenhal. Bijna alle schilderijen zijn al gekoppeld, maar ik kan nog wel wat hulp gebruiken met de laatste loodjes. Ik denk niet dat er veel nog aangemaakt moeten worden. Multichill (talk) 17:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

@Multichill:, Dank voor de link, ga ik doen. Ik heb al een heleboel schilders via de missing painters link net gekoppeld. Ik merkte dat je de engelstalige titles mis - dat zat volgens mij wel in de oude website en is blijkbaar eruit gesloopt. Jammer! Jane023 (talk) 17:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Bedankt voor de hulp! Sommige schilderijen hadden zowel een Nederlandse als een Engelstalige titel. Omdat het op twee regels was pikte de bot dat niet op, die heb ik handmatig toegevoegd. Ik denk niet dat er meer dan dat is. Als de beschrijving leeg is dat komt dat ook omdat de maker dan op twee regels staat. Zie Interior with a Woman Spinning and a Man Smoking (Q27307750) en [3] als voorbeeld. Dat moet handmatig gedaan worden. Multichill (talk) 18:11, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
OK dank voor de uitleg Jane023 (talk) 19:55, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
@Multichill:, Ik kan deze niet vinden bij Mauritshuis nog Lakenhal - volgens RKD eigendom Lakenhal en volgens Mauritshuis langdurige leen vanaf 2009. Jane023 (talk) 12:40, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Prado zero[edit]

Hoi Jane, bedankt voor het helpen, maar let wel op dat je het inventarisnummer exact overneemt hier ben je een 0 vergeten en op deze heb je een O gebruikt ipv een 0. Multichill (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Dat is heel vreemd want ik dacht dat ik copy-paste gebruikte omdat ik het niet kon zien. Zij hebben het trouwens niet makkelijk gemaakt om de nummers te vinden, vind ik. Jane023 (talk) 08:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Vind je? Eerst plaatje, daarna beschrijving en dan eerste regel van "Technical data" (voorbeeld). Ik heb het meestal zo gevonden, het zijn er vooral ontzettend veel. Multichill (talk) 16:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Ja, je hebt gelijk. Later dacht ik dat ik copy-paste misschien ook vanaf Commons of RKD had gedaan, wat ook foutgevoelig kan zijn. Jane023 (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Portrait of Paulus Verschuur[edit]

Hoi Jane, we hadden Portrait of Paulus Verschuur, Served seven terms as Burgomaster of Rotterdam and also Director of the Rotterdam Chamber of the East India Company, elected 1651 (Q17339991), no label (Q17426503) en no label (Q27013027)! ;-) Multichill (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Heb je trouwens een bron voor die owned by (P127)? Volgens mij is het sinds 1883 eigendom van het Rijksmuseum en daarna in langdurig bruikleen in Rotterdam. Schielandhuis is gewoon de voorloper van het Rotterdam Museum. Multichill (talk) 16:45, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Ik ga het nazoeken... 3 is erg veel, maar ik denk dat er wel twee zijn. Jane023 (talk) 18:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Ik heb het opgezocht en de Metropolitan schilderij is identificeerd op basis van de Pieter van de Werff schilderij door Sturla J. Gudlaugson in 1959. Dus maar één kopie van P.vd.Werff :) Jane023 (talk) 11:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

SMK / KID[edit]

Hi Jane, we were talking about the Statens Museum for Kunst (Q671384) last night. The list of paintings that still need to be linked with a creator is at User:Multichill/SMK missing painter. Magnus fixed the KID collection in mix'n'match so this list shows a lot of potential hits. Would be great if you can help finish this list. I wrote a bot that will import KID data, so you just have to create them and the bot will do the rest. Multichill (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

OK I fixed some Dutchmen on that list (there are lots of women! Probably local painters). There seems to be a problem with that create-painter list, because the ones I tried were all created already? Jane023 (talk) 16:40, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Paintings by decade[edit]

Now with the right sorting. Multichill (talk) 20:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

My version - same query[edit]

Using query with one of the graphs[edit]

Here's an easier way with many more options. See {{Graph:Lines}}. CC: Multichill.

{{Graph:Lines
|tabletype=query
|table=SELECT ?decade (COUNT(?decade) AS ?count) WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q3305213 .
  ?item wdt:P571 ?inception .
  BIND( year(?inception) as ?year ). 
  BIND( ROUND(?year/10)*10 as ?decade ) .
  FILTER( ?year > 1400)
  } GROUP BY ?decade
ORDER BY ?decade
|series="count"
|type=year
|xField=decade
}}

See source Wikidata query.

--Yurik (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Very nice! Thanks Jane023 (talk) 08:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

See source Wikidata query.


The graph looks quite different when filtered for paintings by women. Jane023 (talk) 09:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Jane023, you can also add two more parameters to enable grid lines - yGrid=y | xGrid=y --Yurik (talk) 17:25, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Nice! I like the grid lines! Jane023 (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Graph of # paintings per decade since 1400 in Wikidata whereby the painter was born in what is today Netherlands or Belgium[edit]

See source Wikidata query.


Fashion and clothing[edit]

Thanks for your excellent work illustrating and expanding obscure clothing terms on EN wiki!

I started foundational work for Wikidata:WikiProject Fashion, mostly focusing right now on making sure subclasses of clothing have labels in English and digging up appropriate properties for talking about clothes, fashion, and textiles (all the while detouring down endless rabbit holes, as one does in Wikidata). Do come join us. - PKM (talk) 19:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh and since we have Guimpe I must really get off my butt and write Partlet! I have too many references; that's why I haven't done it. - PKM (talk)
I signed up - good idea! Jane023 (talk) 07:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia Strategy Process 2017[edit]

Hi, I'm one of the 3 Meta Coordinators. Our task is to help various communities (track B) during the strategy process. You've expressed your interest in coordinating the discussions on Wikidata, that's why I have a question for you. Are going to create here Q28937817, a page dedicated for the discussions so that anyone interested with Wikidata could participate? Maybe you could ping someone else from Wikidata community who could help you? Also, anyone of us, the Meta Coordinators, can do it. Thanks in advance for any reply! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:41, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Done: Wikidata:Strategy 2017. Jane023 (talk) 07:21, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Jane023! I've added a top-header on the talkpage, and will now add a few more details to the main page.
I've created the basic pages for the process at meta: Outreach planning and Discussion Summaries (See the Spanish summary page for a good example). I've also listed those links at the m:...Outreach/List. Please watchlist and take over those!
Questions: Is there anything else we can do to help you, with the 3 main tasks of: Doing outreach to the Wikidata community to bring them into the discussion, helping to facilitate discussions on the talkpage itself over the weeks ahead, and summarizing those discussions at meta on an ongoing basis? Are you comfortable being the lead for this, and/or can you find other wikidatans to help? Do let us know if we can help. :-)
Best wishes, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Bianca Ponzoni Anguissola[edit]

Ho creato la voce, su Wp in italiano, Bianca Ponzoni Anguissola (ritratto). --FloraFlavia (talk) 17:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Ho creato anche la voce, su wp in italiano Elisabetta di Valois (ritratto) --FloraFlavia (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Ho creato anche la voce, su Wp in italiano Autoritratto al cavalletto dipinto di Sofonisba Anguissola. --FloraFlavia (talk) 17:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions, FloraFlavia! Jane023 (talk) 12:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Top creators[edit]

Hoi Jane, Top creators, Top creators by number of Wikipedia painting articles & Top creators by number of Wikipedia articles hebben nu allemaal links naar de lijstjes in Category:WikiProject sum of all paintings creators. Zullen we nog wat missende gaan aanmaken? Wellicht wil je helpen met dit lijstje blauw krijgen? Deze personen komen op alle drie de lijsten voor dus hebben minimaal 50 items over schilderijen, minimaal 15 Wikipedia artikelen over schilderijen en zijn vertaald in minstens 30 talen.

Als de authority control properties ook in de database staan dan zal ik daar ook eens rapportages voor gaan maken om te zien wat er uit de pas loopt. Multichill (talk) 19:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Ik heb er nog een hoop extra aangemaakt en [[Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Top creators by number of Wikipedia articles] uitgebreid. Ik denk dat elke schilder in die lijst wel een eigen pagina mag hebben, denk je ook niet? Multichill (talk) 19:21, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Ja, helemaal mee eens. Ik heb al een paar aangemaakt en zal ze ook verder uitbreiden zo nu en dan. Ik zou het liefst zulke lijsten ook willen zien voor de top musea, al zullen deze timeouts veroorzaken als wij de volledige collectie hebben. Jane023 (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Daar hebben we er toch al een hoop van zoals Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Museum of Fine Arts, Boston? Op Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Top_collections zijn in ieder geval genoeg blauwe links. Voor de grote collecties heb ik het al in stukken gehakt, zie Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Metropolitan Museum of Art en Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Rijksmuseum. Multichill (talk) 20:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Ja maar dat is alleen Massachusetts! In iedere State heb je minstens één belangrijk museum, zoals de Wadsworth Atheneum (Q403080) in Connecticut. Als je zo'n pagina bouwt maak ik de lijsten wel. Ik zou alle belangrijke musea willen hebben per regio (alle 50 staten van de VS, alle 15 staten van Duitsland, alle grote steden in Italië, enz) Jane023 (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Painting wiki monitor[edit]

You mentioned Latin so I created Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Wiki monitor/lawiki and Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Wiki monitor/enwiki can also use a bit of attention. For the English list it's mostly missing inception (P571). Multichill (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Gabriel Metsu[edit]

Thanks for the many paintings of Gabriel Metsu. Great edits for great paintings :-) --Shonagon (talk) 23:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope to publish a list of his works on Wikipedia sometime soon. Meanwhile I am working on Gerard Dou. The list I am working on is here: Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Hofstede de Groot. I hope to finish Volume 1 soon. Jane023 (talk) 08:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Wouter Verschuur[edit]

Kan je eens naar Figaro - pet Pyrenean mountain dog (Q28797773) welke van de twee het gemaakt heeft? Ik heb de Wouter toegevoegd waarvan de RKD denk dat hij de schilder is. Multichill (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Tja. Het gaat erom, welke is het meest waarschijnlijk op bezoek geweest~bij fam. Holthuysen in Frankrijk? Ik neem aan dat het Amsterdam Museum correcter is in deze, want zij zijn het onderzoeksproject gestart over de Holthuysens. Ik gok op de jongere, maar voor nu zou ik beide laten staan. Het kan best dat vader & zoon een schildersweek hebben doorgebracht aldaar. Jane023 (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

topics in wikisource[edit]

"If you had a "topic" namespace on Wikisource that was similar to the "author" namespace, then you could interlink such articles within the same ws instance, as well as link out to other language ws projects and the proper wikidata items. I guess I am in disagreement with the current vision for the future of ws and wikidata in this sense."

that sound like categories to me. (i.e. s:Category:Art) there are far fewer editors at WS adding categories. could you have a wikidata property (like genre, or subject) that would allow a query across wikisources? since topic metadata is hard, could we add it, with a mix and match game? Slowking4 (talk) 11:04, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Well I didn't mean categories, though I suppose the initial item that triggered me (obscure but important Dutch official) might at some point have a category somewhere, so that is a possibility. I meant expanding the idea of the "Author" namespace to more than just biography or writer pages. So e.g. you could have a namespace for places that would enable the topic "New York City" for example that might include a link to some entry about "New Amsterdam". So my idea of a topic namespace was a way to think about how various wikisource instances could share their data in a more meaningful way than creating item numbers for pages. Maybe this discussion is better allocated to the wikisource mailing list as I think there are very few wikisourcerors here. I am really not seeing the benefit of having items for all articles in all old encyclopedias added to Wikidata, but maybe we do want that and I am just having trouble seeing the value added. Jane023 (talk) 11:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
i kinda agree. i just think it is easier to manage metadata at wikidata. easier to query. and what is the process to input the data. i kinda agree about WS articles as item, except for DNB where you have authors, so you could query by author and subject. it is a ontology philosophy thing - where to hold the data and how to manage it. if you had a schema with a rationale, we could brainstorm it and build a workflow & process. Slowking4 (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Well something that has been bugging me for years is that we can't build a wiki-version of "Sandrart.net" on any wiki instance. That website is German and is based on Joachim von Sandrart's dictionary of the arts, but he was only responding in his way to Karel van Mander who was responding to Vasari. So we should begin with Vasari. The entire text is on Italian wikisource, and it has been translated through the centuries into multiple languages (into Dutch by Karel van Mander and into German by Sandrart). Theoretically, each original topic in Italian (note: not page) should interwikisourcelink to the other translation topics, and only the topic items should be linked (via a property) to the actual Wikidata item for the topic. I think. Jane023 (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
hmm - and i see we have a conflict between work Q1645493 and 1st edition Q19135206. hmm - and not started in english (disappointed)
ok - italian wikisource has done an editathon, could you get with aubrey [4] to create topics with wikidata links; and then we can transcribe the translations and interlink - does that work as a work flow - can you create a project page with a bullet checklist ?
Exactly. But once you start digging you realize you really need to keep track of the editions separately. Looking at how they setup sandrart.net also underlines this for the Teutsche Akademie, though it's really hard to "read" any edition of that thing on that website in my opinion. So in conclusion, if we continue along the current path, eventually we will have separate items for each Italian edition, and for each foreign language edition (which may or may not reference the Vasari origins). In order to implement topic pages that can be interwikisourcelinked, we still need consensus from the wikisource community, and in order to get that we first need to model out how this would work. I still think you would need to set up properties per edition of any dictionary in any language. Then the question is how to "interlink" the properties that match up to Wikidata items. That I don't know. Jane023 (talk) 11:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)