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Property proposal: Generic Authority control Person Organization
Event Creative work Term Space
Place Sister projects
Economics Transportation Natural science Property metadata

See also[edit]


This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property
  1. Check if the property already exists by looking at Wikidata:List of properties (manual list) and Special:ListProperties.
  2. Check if the property was previously proposed or is on the pending list.
  3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
  4. Select the right datatype for the property.
  5. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below and add it in the appropriate section.

Creating the property

  1. Change status=ready on template to attract the attention of a property creator.
  2. Creation can be done after 1 week by a property creator or an administrator.
  3. See steps when creating properties.


On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2016/08.

Persons[edit]

godchild[edit]

   Under discussion
Description Godchildren of a person
Data type Item
Domain Person
Example A godchild of Alexander I of Russia was Queen Victoria
Robot and gadget jobs No
See also Property:P1290 (godparent)
Motivation

We have the property godparent. Svensson1 (talk) 12:02, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment added to Wikidata:Property proposal/Person today only.
    --- Jura 07:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. We do have inverse properties for most other familial and similar relationships. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. No need for an inverse property. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Identifiers[edit]

Runeberg author ID[edit]

   Ready <create>
Description Identifier for an author in the Runeberg digital library
Data type External identifier
Template parameter None probably
Domain human (Q5)
Example Hans Christian Andersen (Q5673)andersen
Planned use Link Danish authors
Formatter URL http://runeberg.org/authors/$1.html
Robot and gadget jobs Probably none
See also Wikidata:Property proposal/Runeberg book ID, Project Gutenberg author ID (P1938)
Motivation

Project Runeberg (Q933290) is a Nordic "Gutenberg" - a digital library at http://runeberg.org containing digital text of public domain works. Authors may be identified with a URL. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 12:59, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl (talk) 16:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Peter Alberti (talk) 18:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I was going to create this, but that noticed that it uses string instead of external id. Shouldn't this be changed?
    --- Jura 14:09, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks for catching this. It should be external id, I guess. I will change it for the book ID as well. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 21:28, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Minnesota legislator ID[edit]

   Ready <create>
Description official identifier for a Minnesota legislator
Data type External identifier
Template parameter in en:Template:Minnesota legislator ID
Domain Minnesota legislators
Example Bill Luther (Q862272)10390
Source http://www.leg.state.mn.us/legdb/
Formatter URL http://www.leg.state.mn.us/legdb/fulldetail?ID=$1
Robot and gadget jobs import from Wikipedia
Motivation

Official state government identifier. Template:MN-legdb (Q14440228) exists in three Wikipedias. en.Wikipedia has over 500 of these iDs, with over 460 in templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

OpenDomesday person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Description Identifier for a peson, in the OpenDomesday digitisation of the Domesday Book
Data type External identifier
Domain people alive circa 1086 CE
Example Drogo de la Beuvrière (Q23018840)150950/drogo-of-la-beuvriere/
Source http://domesdaymap.co.uk/
Formatter URL http://opendomesday.org/name/$1/
Robot and gadget jobs Bot import from target site; Mix'n'Match
Motivation

Domesday Book (Q19867) is the famous "manuscript record of the "Great Survey" of much of England and parts of Wales completed in 1086 by order of King William the Conqueror". The target site offers linked, open data in JSON format. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Polish scientist ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Description identifier for a scientist, in the Polish Government's Information Processing Centre database
Data type External identifier
Template parameter
Domain scientists/ researchers active in Poland
Allowed values integers
Example Andrzej Paczkowski (Q2742045)49505
Formatter URL http://nauka-polska.pl/dhtml/raporty/ludzieNauki?rtype=opis&objectId=$1&lang=pl
Robot and gadget jobs import from Wikipedias
Motivation

Official government database, operated by Information Processing Centre (Q4504030). pl.Wikipedia has over five thousand (5000) of these IDs, in templates. Template:Polish scientists (Q9630591) is used in three other Wikipedias. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support ChristianKl (talk) 17:56, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Strakhov (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

World Bridge Federation ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Description identifier for a bridge player, issued by the World Bridge Federation
Data type External identifier
Template parameter |id= in en:Template:WBFpeople
Domain Bridge players
Example Omar Sharif (Q170515)553
Source http://www.worldbridge.org/Repository/peopleforscrap/
Formatter URL http://www.worldbridge.org/Repository/peopleforscrap/person.asp?qryid=$1
Robot and gadget jobs import from Wikipedia
Motivation

World Bridge Federation (Q2713535) is the international governing body of contract bridge. en.Wikipedia has over 270 of these IDs, in templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Seems a useful resource. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Rock Hall of Fame ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Description identifier for an inductee (individual or group), in the US Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Data type External identifier
Template parameter |id= in en:Template:Rockhall
Domain people or groups
Example Pink Floyd (Q2306)pink-floyd
Source https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/
Formatter URL https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/$1
Robot and gadget jobs import from Wikipedias; maybe Mix'n'match
Motivation

Induction into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Q179191) is a highly-significant recognition. There have been 310 inductees to date, every one unquestionably notable. en.Wikipedia links to almost all of the inductees' pages, and has over 120 already in templates. Template:Rockhall (Q13253770) exists in ten Wikipedias. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Names[edit]

Careers[edit]

Directorships[edit]

   Under discussion
Description Organisations of which this person was a director (includes board membership, trusteeship, etc)
Represents director (Q1162163)
Data type Item
Domain People - instance of (P31):human (Q5)
Allowed values Companies, corporations, charities, and similar organisations
Example Thomas Coulson (Q19872319) > East India Company (Q83164)
Planned use I plan to try and import some directorships from History of Parliament records; in future this could be matched with (eg) OpenCorporates data for contemporary organisations
Motivation

While going through the History of Parliament records for History of Parliament ID (P1614) it's become clear that we could be capturing a lot of very interesting information about what organisations people held directorships in, but currently have no real way to do so. For a demonstration of how this information can be used, see eg/ this paper - especially for people in the business and political world, it's a key piece of information and can help build some very important links. It will become more useful for contemporary material as we continue to add more information on businesses.

I considered the use of position held (P39) with specific items for major directorships (eg Bank of England or East India Company) but this would not scale up well.

In terms of existing properties, chairperson (P488) only identifies the "lead" position of chair, and manager/director (P1037) is oriented towards people with an active managerial role - for example, the single named director/manager of an organisation. These are not quite the same things. employer (P108) is also not quite right, as directors are not strictly "employed" by an organisation, and it would be good to keep these roles distinct.

Directorships can change fairly frequently, with terms often only lasting a few years, and so a long-running organisation may have had hundreds or thousands of directors over time. It thus makes sense to have this property attached to the person rather than the organisation. Andrew Gray (talk) 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Sports and competition[edit]

head coach of[edit]

   Under discussion
Description sports teams or clubs that the subject currently coaches or formerly coached
Represents sports coach (Q41583)
Data type Élément-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter "carrière entraîneur" in fr:Template:Infobox Footballeur, "managerclubX" in en:Template:Infobox_football_biography, "trainervereine" (or "trainer_tabelle") in de:Template:Infobox Fußballspieler, etc.
Domain Person
Allowed values Organisation
Example Alex Ferguson (Q44980)Manchester United F.C. (Q18656), Alex Ferguson (Q44980)Scotland national football team (Q34044)
Didier Deschamps (Q508711)Olympique de Marseille (Q132885), Didier Deschamps (Q508711)France national football team (Q47774)
Planned use import corresponding data from Wikipedia footballer infoboxes (as I've done last few months with member of sports team (P54))
Robot and gadget jobs B0ttle (talkcontribslogs), my bot
See also the same as member of sports team (P54), but for coaches and managers
Motivation

Hi. I explained what I want to do in Wikidata:Project_chat#how_to_tag_that_someone_has_worked_as_a_coach.2Fmanager_for_a_football_club.2Fteam. To describe coach career in Wikidata, there is no evident existing property (occupation (P106), member of sports team (P54) and employer (P108) each have their default). So Danrok (talkcontribslogs) invited me to ask the creation of a dedicated property. H4stings (talk) 09:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
I don't see why the information has to be stored on the page of the manager. What's wrong with storing it at the club level? You can still write access the information via a query for an infobox. ChristianKl (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: there is no obligation, but it sounds simpler to me. Almost every manager is an old footballer, and we already store the player career data in the wikidata player element (with member of sports team (P54)). And in any Wikipedia page, both information (player and manager career data) appears in the infobox of the human being, not in the club one. --H4stings (talk) 07:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
When it comes to the term head coach it's not immediately clear that humans can't have head coaches like humans have teachers. This might be confusing for new users. If you want to model the side from the human than I think "hold position" already does the job. ChristianKl (talk) 08:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. I guess there are enough people concerned for this to be useful. Thierry Caro (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. I agree with Pigsonthewing, use position held (P39). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. I believe that using position held (P39) would be unnecessarily cumbersome as it would require one to use modifiers every single time to show which teams the individual has coached/managed. Furthermore, I have yet to see any explanation as to why P39 is good enough. Indeed, that property appears to be political in scope. Perhaps someone can give me some reasons for why I should use P39. If we have no problem using member of sports team (P54) to list the teams an individual has played for, why is there a problem with storing managerial information on the page of the manager? Many sportspeople are far more famous as a manager than as a player, and it would be good for us to be able to document the organizations that they represented in that role. In a nutshell, I think it would be very helpful for those of us who edit sports items if we had this property. Lepricavark (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


Other[edit]

patient of[edit]

   Under discussion
Description Was treated as a patient by ...
Represents patient (Q181600)
Data type Item
Domain people, animals
Example
Motivation

I'm trying to enter information about Franz Anton Mesmer and the patient he treated seem to be important information for which we currently miss a property. It seems to be generally interesting information for famous doctors. ChristianKl (talk) 18:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Strangely enough, I fell asleep yesterday night thinking about Wikidata properties, and I had this new one in mind. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Question Why not the inverse, instead? We know the names of the (mostly notable) doctors of UK monarchs and US presidents, for instance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I proposed it in that direction because one doctor has more patients than patients have doctors, I however agree that the reverse property would also make sense. ChristianKl (talk) 12:42, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

publicist of[edit]

   Under discussion
Description works as a publicist for
Represents publicist (Q4178004)
Data type Item
Domain human (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Allowed values human (Q5), organization (Q43229), work (Q386724)
Example Karen Ammond (Q26710477)Daniel Tammet (Q12857)
Motivation

When trying to understand media it can be often useful to understand the players that are involved. ChristianKl (talk) 17:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion