Shortcut: WD:PP/WORK

Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

From Wikidata
Jump to navigation Jump to search


Property proposal: Generic Authority control Person Organization
Creative work Place Sports Sister projects
Transportation Natural science Lexeme Wikimedia Commons

See also[edit]

This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property

  1. Check if the property already exists by looking at Wikidata:List of properties (research on manual list) and Special:ListProperties.
  2. Check if the property was previously proposed or is on the pending list.
  3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
  4. Select the right datatype for the property.
  5. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below and add it in the appropriate section.

Creating the property

  1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
  2. Creation can be done 1 week after the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
  3. See steps when creating properties.

On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2020/07.

Creative work[edit]

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms
Books, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Books

IMFDB work ID[edit]

   Done
Descriptionidentifier for a work of fiction (movie, television show, season of television show, anime or video game) on the Internet Firearms Database
RepresentsInternet Movie Firearms Database (Q6055596)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainInternet Movie Firearms Database (Q6055596)
Example 1Die Hard (Q105598)Die_Hard (movie)
Example 2MythBusters (Q486844)Mythbusters (television show)
Example 324, season 1 (Q217261)24_-_Season_1 (season of television show)
Example 4Future Diary (Q62034895)Mirai_Nikki (anime)
Example 5Far Cry 2 (Q176336)Far_Cry_2 (video game)
Sourcehttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Movie, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Television, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Anime, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Video_Game
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/$1
See alsoInternet Movie Database (Q37312)

Motivation[edit]

A very comprehensive and detailed database that described the use of firearms in works of fiction.

I might be wrong but this might be our first property related to firearms. Once we are done, we can make properties for actors, firearms and manufactors as well.

Another thing to note, animated televisions shows (that doesn't include anime) are usually banned unless the firearms are clearly identifiable.

I'm not sure whether or not placeholder articles should be included. --Trade (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

ValterVB LydiaPintscher Ermanon Cbrown1023 Discoveranjali Mushroom Queryzo Danrok Rogi Mbch331 Jura Jobu0101 Jklamo Jon Harald Søby putnik ohmyerica AmaryllisGardener FShbib Andreasmperu Li Song Tiot Harshrathod50 U+1F350 Bodhisattwa (talk) Shisma Wolverène Tris T7 TT me Esteban16 Antoine2711 Hrk6626 TheFireBender V!v£ l@ Rosière /Murmurer…/ WatchMeWiki! CptViraj ʂɤɲ Trivialist Franzsimon 2le2im-bdc Sotiale Wallacegromit1 (talk) mostly focus on media historiography and works from the Global South

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Movies Konggaru Starry K. Erne Mogilevich Santer AldNonUcallinme? Thibaut120094 Shikeishu C933103 Sight Contamination -Zest ReaperDawn Sakretsu Jean-Frédéric Tris T7 TT me
Wallacegromit1 Jeanjung212 Bagas Chrisara ミラP

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Anime and Manga ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Esteban16 (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Coloradohusky CptViraj BugWarp ʂɤɲ User:Nw520 Cynde Moya Dexxor Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Cwf97 (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2019 (EST)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support.--Vulphere 16:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:37, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Trade, Cwf97, Vulphere, Ysangkok: ✓ Done IMFDB ID (P6992) Esteban16 (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Ident.No.[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for artworks in the collection of the state museums of Berlin
RepresentsDer Jungbrunnen (Q20828882) => Ident.Nr. 593; Pergamonaltar (Q158058) => Ident.Nr. Pe. 1 und viele weitere mehr
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Senmurv-Platte => Ident.Nr. I. 4926
Example 2The fountain of youth (Q20828882)Ident.Nr. 593
Example 3Pergamon Altar (Q158058)Ident.Nr. Pe. 1
See alsoinventory number (P217)

Motivation[edit]

the Ident.Nr. is an unique identification of artwork within the IT systems of the Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin - Preußischer KulturbesitzM1fischer14 (talk) 08:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment inventory number (P217) is generally used for this. --- Jura 17:31, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Either use inventory number (P217) or the label on this identifier needs to be much more specific (for example "Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin ID"). About how many artworks are in the collection and have these identifiers? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Agree that the name needs to be a lot more specific. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Some items have really weird Ident.Nr., like e.g. this Bluse. What is the value of having the Ident.Nr if the museum doesn't actually use it itself for indexing? As you can see, the URL's do not reference it. It's called a Nummer, but is not actually a number. How do they actually use the number in the museums? Because their IT departments don't seem to cherish the system... --Ysangkok (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    • It doesn't matter if there is no formatter url/direct way of linking. --- Jura 23:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol conditional support.svg Conditional support @M1fischer14: There are arguments above, have you read them? Would you be kind enough to complete your proposal, please? You can help yourself with comments next to the lines to fill in or get inspired by other propositions. Otherwise the proposal may be badly received. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 03:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Trade (talk) 16:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support--Cwf97 (talk) 19:50, 29 May 2020 (EST)

catalogue raisonné[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionto use with the artist to show whether and which catalogue raisonnée exists
Representscatalogue raisonné (Q1050259)
Data typeItem
Allowed unitsartists
Example 1Lucas Cranach the Elder (Q191748)Die Gemälde von Lucas Cranach (Q64937617)
Example 2Vincent van Gogh (Q5582)J.-B. de la Faille: L'Œuvre de Vincent van Gogh, catalogue raisonné (Q17280421)
Example 3George Bellows (Q167132) → ?

Motivation[edit]

very useful to combine information to the artist's work Oursana (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • It looks like you want "item" datatype here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 06:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Hi Oursana; shouldn't we broaden the proposal to all types of work's comprehensive lists (like full publications lists)? I would love to have such a tool for researchers, for instance... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: I am not quite sure, if I got you right,perhaps you could give an example. The Werkverzeichnis is a very special list, the list for the artist's work, with a great authority.--Oursana (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - and with a separate field in the artwork template on Wikimedia Commons --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question Is there a particular advantage to creating this property for use on the artist's item, over the existing pattern of using instance of (P31) = catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) / main subject (P921) = <artist> on the item for the catalogue? Usually we prefer properties in the direction that connects many items to one, rather than one item to many. Jheald (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

--Oursana (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I agree with Jheald here - the direction of this property feels wrong to me. Is there not a risk that a given item could have a lot of statements for this property? Marking as not ready. − Pintoch (talk) 21:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
    • one item to many?? I do not understand the arguments of Jheald and Pintoch. Could you please give an example and explain. There are very few Werkverzeichnis, normally none to one, maximum very seldom 3--Oursana (talk) 10:37, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
      • By one item to many we mean that it would be more natural to add a statement in the other direction, from each "catalogue raisonné" to its subject. The many in this phrase does not mean that there would be too many links to do it in the other direction, it is just a description of the relation (see en:One-to-many (data model) ). − Pintoch (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
        • I'm neutral on this one. I'm quite reluctant about creating one to many properties, in this case one person with multiple catalogue raisonnées, but what would be the maximum here? What artist has more than 10 of them? Maybe Rembrandt (Q5598)? @Jane023: as our catalog queen, what do you think? Multichill (talk) 09:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
          • Thanks for the ping. Though I am all for more catalogs raisonné on Wikidata for artists, the catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) is currently also in use for all sorts of things, not just "all works by artists", but also "all items in collection". That said, yes it would be nice to have a link from the artist to an item about their most notable (or only!) monograph. But the problem here is exactly the same as the one for the "Notable print" proposal for paintings that I had before. Who is to say that the notable print is indeed notable? Is it notable because it made the painting famous? Or is it notable because it was copied by a notable painter? Or was it made when the painting was in an important collection? Though valid, those questions don't even come near the crux of the matter which is that the print (or catalog in this case) has a specific instance as an edition. Do we want all editions and/or translations? I think not. The way to handle the problem this proposal tries to address is to try and address the issue of having a "reasonator-like link" on the artist page that will point the reader to all Wikidata resources available, such as the creator lists of course, but also (and not limited to) the catalog raisonné listeria list (if it exists). Signed, the catalog queen! Jane023 (talk) 10:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Use the model suggested by User:Jheald, with a "...has role" qualifier; like this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Perhaps we can use described by source (P1343) qualified with type of reference (P3865) (or "object has role" as suggested above)? - PKM (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose While I like the idea, we circumvent the authority problem with using it the other way around. And in the long term we will have several catalogue raisonnés. It would be great if we can show in the future the inverse relation items in a structured manner. --Hannolans (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

translated title[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionThe canonical (official or recognized) translation of the title of an work (usually an scientific article) in a foreign language (usually English), where the work itself is usually not translated. It is usually translated by the author of the work.
Data typeMonolingual text
Domainwork
Example 1The band structure in microwave frequency for quasi-1-D coaxial photonic crystals (Q66665412) → The band structure in microwave frequency for quasi-1-D coaxial photonic crystals (English)
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Robot and gadget jobsMass import from 1. bibliographic database with multilingual title 2. databases which only records the English title (e.g. PubMed)
See alsohas edition or translation (P747) for work that is translated; literal translation (P2441)

Motivation[edit]

Per this edit a new property may be needed. GZWDer (talk) 00:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I'd argue the referenced edit was in error. If the article has an official title in any language, that should be under title (P1476), with the appropriate language tag. This doesn't seem in any way wrong or confusing. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Why would we do it differently for Chinese articles? --- Jura 20:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Why would this be special for Chinese? Articles in Canadian media may have both a French and English title, and I'd consider it the right thing to do to add both to the Wikidata item. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
        • Thanks for clarifying your POV. --- Jura 22:38, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Mattsenate (talk) 13:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
KHammerstein (WMF) (talk) 13:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Mitar (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Mvolz (talk) 18:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Daniel Mietchen (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 13:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Pharos (talk) 14:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
DarTar (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
HLHJ (talk) 09:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Blue Rasberry 18:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Micru (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
JakobVoss (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 02:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Abecker (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Mike Linksvayer (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Kopiersperre (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Jonathan Dugan (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Hfordsa (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Runner1928 (talk) 03:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Pete F (talk)
econterms (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Sj (talk)
TomT0m
guillom (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
addshore 17:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Bodhisattwa (talk) 16:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Ainali (talk) 16:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Shani Evenstein (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Skim (talk) 07:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Ocaasi (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Trilotat Trilotat (talk) 15:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
NAH
Iwan.Aucamp
Alessandra Boccone
Pablo Busatto (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData ChristianKl❫ 17:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

    • So should we have some way to differentiate original and non-original title? Using a new property or rank?--GZWDer (talk) 18:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Why not just use the label? — eru [Talk] [french wiki] 18:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Label can not be sourced and does not imply the translation is official.--GZWDer (talk) 22:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Some further clarification needed as to how the usage of this property would differ from the present practice of adding literal translation (P2441) qualifiers to the title (P1476) statement to give translations of the title into different languages. Do we need both approaches? Can we clearly identify when one should be used rather than the other? Jheald (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support given that labels in some fields are polluted with not translated titles. Should we also allow translated titles by, e.g. pubmed? Many English titles seem to come from there, but I don't think this matches the current definition. Any that can be referenced? --- Jura 09:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose The cited edit was in error. Also, use a literal translation (P2441) qualifier. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:20, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Per Andy, literal translation (P2441) exists and enough for this, feel free to add this name to P2441 as alias. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

maximum number of playable characters[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionNumber of total playable characters in a video game.
Representsplayer character (Q1062345)
Data typeQuantity
Domainvideo game (Q7889)
Allowed valuesnumbers
Example 1Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Q2073725) → 51
Example 2Injustice 2 (Q24717189) → 38
Example 3Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Q55214) → 160
Example 4Mortal Kombat: Armageddon (Q1299648) → 63
Example 5X-Men: Mutant Academy 2 (Q4021195) → 19
See alsomaximum number of players (P1873)

Motivation[edit]

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Cwf97 (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Esteban16 (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Coloradohusky CptViraj BugWarp ʂɤɲ User:Nw520 Cynde Moya Dexxor Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Video games--Trade (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 16:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Is there some reason you picked String datatype instead of Quantity (integer values are fine) or even Item (we have items for all integers up to many thousands)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:24, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
    Was changed to Quantity in Special:Diff/1019484244 Jean-Fred (talk) 15:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I’m not convinced by this proposal:
  • Jean-Fred (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm also skeptical about this property. IMO characters (P674) would be enough in this case. Sir Lothar (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
    • That means one would need to know all characters, enter all characters, be sure that a given Wikidata item includes all characters. Not sure how one could do the last one and if it's efficient to do the first two in advance. --- Jura 15:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
      Hmmm, looking deeping, I guess there is some precedent for that, with things like number of children (P1971), number of episodes (P1113), number of seasons (P2437) (although, for the last two, the count is inferred via inverse properties) ; or the combo number of parts of this work (P2635)/tracklist (P658).
      I find the argument “how can we be sure that characters (P674) is complete” a bit curious to be honest − it could apply for a lot of properties − “number of actors” for cast member (P161), “number of editions” for has edition or translation (P747), “number of parts” for has part (P527), etc. − no?
      Also, is this supposed to be qualified to make the difference between, starter characters, unlockable characters and downloadable characters? How about palette swaps?
      Jean-Fred (talk) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
      “one would need to know all characters” → Are there cases where one would know the number but not have the list? Jean-Fred (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
      Having a list isn't enough, we also need someone to add all of them to Wikidata in a structured way. Which is a ton of work and IMO way more work than the few people currently active in that area on Wikidata are able to handle. --Kam Solusar (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure about the need for this property as I don't edit these items, but I tried to spell out what would the underlying assumptions of the "use P674" argument. I don't think it's comparable with "number of editions" as that is not a static number. --- Jura 11:39, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
        • Well, from a gamer's point of view, i just don't see how this property could be useful, that's why I wrote I'm skeptical. It's much more informative to write for example, that one can choose Raiden, Sub-Zero or Scorpion in Mortal Kombat (Q150294), than to say it has max. number of 7 playable characters. Sir Lothar (talk) 08:39, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
          • I imagine it would be useful in infoboxes for example. --Kam Solusar (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
            • Which one for example? I don't recognize any Wikipedia project which would use such information in infobox - as they would be treated as not encyclopedic and trivial (see for example video games articles on pl.wiki and en.wiki). Sir Lothar (talk) 10:31, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, this is an important parameter for computer games.--Arbnos (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. List the characters with characters (P674) / object has role (P3831), per above. --Yair rand (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Yair rand:, that only works if every player characters each have their own item. --Trade (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
      @Trade: Any character that doesn't have its own item can have one created. That's how such properties work. --Yair rand (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
      Can have its own item. Unfortunately, in practice, that's not the case, not even remotely. Creating items for all characters takes time and effort, even more so if we expect those tens of thousands of character items to contain more than just a label and description in one or two languages plus a instance of (P31) statement. I've worked quite a bit in this area here on Wikidata and AFAICS we only have very few game items that have a complete list of all characters (playable or otherwise). There simply aren't enough active users here compared to decdicated gaming databases, and not enough users willing to invest all that time and work to create, expand and source thousands of such items manually. Plus users of our data have no way of knowing whether a game item has a complete list of characters or if some/most are still missing. Which would make numbers of characters derived by counting the listed characters inherently unreliable. At least for the forseeable future. --Kam Solusar (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Yes, in theory the number could be derived from the characters listed on the game's item. But we're very, very far from having items for each and every character and no way of marking a character list as complete. At the current state of things I really can't see us getting to the point where it would be a reliable method, at least within the next decade or so. But a simple "number of characters" statement as proposed would be way less work to implement and would be reliable and of use for users of our data instantly, instead of potentially being somewhat reliable many years down the road. --Kam Solusar (talk)
  • Symbol oppose vote oversat.svg Strong oppose I think doing Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Q55214) has parts of the class (P2670) player character (Q1062345) / quantity (P1114) <160> / nature of statement (P5102) maximum (Q10578722) is sufficient. --Tinker Bell 21:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I personally don't see any value in adding this property. The number of characters should be derived from the list of characters. Yes, it's a lot of work to add each character for each game, but that's the nature of a database. If it's important enough, someone someday will do it, either manually or automatically. What we should be doing today is setting up the foundations for that to be possible. I'm still too new to Wikidata to say with confidence whether Tinker Bell's approach is the best one, but from what I can tell, it makes sense to me. Keen to see what others have to say about this, though. Macrike (talk) 22:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

featured in[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for items which appear in creative works of fiction (movie, television show, season of television show, novel, musical composition, or video game)
Data typeItem
Domain?
Allowed valuescreative work
Example 1My Heart Will Go On (Q155577)Titanic (Q44578)
Example 2Twist and Shout (Q60527247)Ferris Bueller's Day Off (Q498906)
Example 3Mona Lisa (Q12418)Mona Lisa (Q1164190)
Example 4Chateau Marmont (Q741123)Somewhere (Q1338368)
Example 5Tiffany & Co. (Q1066858)Breakfast at Tiffany's (Q193066)
See also

Motivation[edit]

Create a relationship to indicate when items are featured in a creative work. Featured items could be either animate or inanimate. This would allow Wikidata to reflect the instances when items are depicted in popular culture. present in work (P1441) comes close to serving this purpose, but that property was created to identify when a fictional entity (Q14897293) or historical person is present within a creative work. Jbandrews (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I added a few related properties and proposal. From the samples given, it's unclear if there is actually a need for this. At least if you consider some of the inverse relationship. Please bear in mind that we don't need every film featuring New York to be added to New York City (Q60).
Also, I changed "creative work" from "domain" to "allowed values" as I suppose the values should be creative works. --- Jura 16:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Seems useful. Moebeus (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Capturing these kinds of relationships seems like something Wikidata is uniquely positioned to do. This may be getting ahead of this conversation, but would it also make sense to have a companion property called "features" - or something to that effect - for the work that features other works? I could see this being useful for queries. Wskent (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I believe the restriction of creative works is not needed and will not vote for another too narrow (just like P1441) property. This makes this name bad as we would need a third property for all the cases when there is a non-creative but notable item that is featured in a creative work that we would want to capture. A better name for this narrow case would be "creative work featured in". Ainali (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Examples of other things that could be added is persons in songs or books, concepts that are featured (but not the main theme), notable individual animals or mass produced items etc. Ainali (talk) 17:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
      Would it be accurate to summarize your use-case as something like “mentionned in”? Jean-Fred (talk) 18:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Not really. A concept, notable individual animals or mass produced items could be featured in a film without being mentioned. Ainali (talk) 18:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Ah I see. I think I have seen some use of depicts (P180) in the wild to do that. Jean-Fred (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, that might work for those two. But how about a concept? Ainali (talk) 10:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I strongly favor just broadening present in work (P1441) for this purpose. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support, although I would also be happy with broadening present in work (P1441). - PKM (talk) 20:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose wrong way round. --- Jura 20:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I would prefer just broad present in work (P1441), but I think we should use a calificative to distingish between main characters and references. --Tinker Bell 20:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Originally I was going to oppose and agree that we should broaden present in work (P1441). However, I'd raise the question if a character appearing in the works for which that character was created and appearing in other works as a featured character has a different relationship to said work. Although now that I think about it that could be captured with a qualifier. --SilentSpike (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Jura. ChristianKl❫ 22:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I think you can use the dedicated properties on the work item: for music featured there are for example soundtrack release (P406), theme music (P942), maybe even has melody (P1625) (I tend to use it on short films without a soundtrack album), for places narrative location (P840) and filming location (P915).
    As this was brought up by others: I oppose the use of present in work (P1441) for the examples mentioned by you. present in work (P1441) is used to indicate entities that appear as part of the story of a fictional work, not as part of the soundtrack, cast or film set; e.g. there is a difference if Marlene Dietrich (Q4612) "appears" in a film as a character or as an actress and I think it is useful to be able to distinguish between those cases. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:50, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I don't see how Jura's inexistent argument is supposed to work. We'd have two otherwise identical relations (the "otehr way around" of this, and present in work (P1441)) that work in opposite directions. A recipe for disaster if there ever was one. Circeus (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Circeus: A given book might have hundred characters present in work (P1441) is intended to allow each of those characters to be linked with the book without having 100 statements on one item. If you have a historical person like Abraham Lincoln there might be 100 creative works that somehow feature Lincoln. Adding those 100 statements to the item for Lincoln would be problematic as it makes that item take long to load.
It seems that @PKM: transformed present in work (P1441) in a way that has the potential to make items to big to be effectively interacted with in Wikidata and nobody stopped him but I don't think that is a reason to add further potential disruption. ChristianKl❫ 14:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • As far as the description goes, in what sense is this supposed to be an identifier? It's a property but it doesn't seem to me like an identifier. ChristianKl❫ 14:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Jura – not that this direction is "wrong", so much as that the other direction is more elegant. Swpb (talk) 16:36, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

general law[edit]

Motivation[edit]

Laws can be ordered in general-specific relation. Specific law applies first, and then general law applies where there is no related provision in the specific law.

Currently, there is no way to express the relations of statutes. This property should be created to relate statutes in general-specific order. – Kwj2772 (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Isn't part of (P361) sufficient? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Relation covered by the property I proposed is near to relation of general principles and exceptions, rather than whole-part. That means, if there is a relevant provision in a specific law, the provision in the specific law applies directly and provisions in general laws are excluded in application. Conversely, if there is no relevant provision in the specific law, provisions in general laws are applied mutatis mutandis. That's why part of (P361) is not applicable. – Kwj2772 (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Please use charter URL (P6378). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:13, 5 November 2019 (UTC).
    • I don't see how charter URL (P6378) fits the purpose at all. As it's name suggests, it takes a URL, not a law. I don't know enough about law to cast a support vote, but it seems like this reason for an oppose is not valid. Swpb (talk) 16:41, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
  • What prior arts exists for modeling this relationship? ChristianKl❫ 12:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose As far as i can see laws applied (P3014) is sufficient. --Hannolans (talk) 22:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question @Kwj2772: I think I have a vague understanding of where you’re going with this (next-higher level in the hierarchy of sources of law as relevant to the application of law, as opposed to the next-higher level in the hierarchy of authority when it comes to competency for declaration of law), but can you elaborate on the difference between laws applied (P3014) and this proposed property?―BlaueBlüte (talk) 08:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

mentions named entity[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionnamed entity mentioned only by name in a work (use P1441 for entities present in the events of a work; use P840 for locations that are part of the setting of a work)
RepresentsName-dropping (Q1424112)
Data typeItem
Domaincreative work (Q17537576)
Allowed valuesAny entity with a property that's instance of (P31)Wikidata property to indicate a name (Q19643892)
Example 1Nobody Speak (Q26885626)Donald Trump (Q22686) (named as (P1810) → "Trump")
Example 2That's Not Me (Q18164235)Gucci (Q178516)
Example 3We Didn't Start the Fire (Q1448949)Budapest (Q1781)
Example 4Paper Towns (Q1138063)The Mountain Goats (Q145515) ("Ben and Radar showed up at eight on the dot. I got in the backseat. They were shouting along to a song by the Mountain Goats.")
See also

Motivation[edit]

I think this is interesting cultural data to capture, for instance, it provides data on things like which fashion brand is name-dropped the most in rap. However, there is also application to literary works - with the distinction from present in work (P1441) being that these entities are not actually present in the events of a work, only mentioned by name. See discussion at project chat here: Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2019/11#How_can_we_state_that_a_person/entity_was_named_in_a_creative_work

The difference from other proposals such as Wikidata:Property_proposal/mentioned_in_work and Wikidata:Property_proposal/Mentioned_at is the better defined scope/application of this property not currently covered by existing related properties (and also this property is a statement on the work item, since an entity could be mentioned in thousands of works - leading to excessive statements on the entity item). --SilentSpike (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Seems useful. A lot of editors have been using a lot of different properties to model this relationship, this makes it a lot clearer. If this goes through, I propose a "mini task force" to identify and migrate previous edits using "main subject", "present in work", etc. to map mentions. Moebeus (talk) 17:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I would like to see this property be able to be extended (with a qualifier) to cover allusions as well as specific mentions. E.g. Everything Zen (Q5418126) referencing Life on Mars? (Q2077201) ("Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow") or "Yes, I's Finished/Abie Baby" from Hair (Q1165499) paraphrasing Gettysburg Address (Q214524). (Alternatively, rather than a qualifier there could be two separate properties.) - Jmabel (talk) 18:06, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I like SilentSpike's example of name-dropping in rap and I think that Moebeus (above and in the discussion at Project chat) and Jura (in the discussion at project chat) have a good point: There are already attempts to model this kind of relationship (with reasonable motivations), just that other properties are exploited for that. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:13, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Responding to some of Jura's questions (from project chat) here for archival purposes:
What type of work would this apply to? How many such statements should we have? Most works have a person or place index should these all be included?
—Jura
  1. I think this can apply to any sort of work that has written or spoken content. My main motivation is the application to lyrical works as that's where I see the most value in how this represents cultural influence and reach (i.e. if many songs name the same entity, then it is shown to be culturally significant). However, the same line of thinking can be extended to written works (see example 4 of the proposal) where the existing property for something's presence in the work doesn't quite cover the case of an entity only mentioned by name.
  2. As many as are valid statements? I don't see an abundance of statements existing for most works since the use case and allowed values of this property limit what it applies to (i.e. persons/locations actually present in the work are already captured via other properties and this is also only applicable entities with names - aka "grass" does not mean there should be a statement for grass (Q643352)). As for works that are very referential, that seems to me like a valid use case where there may exist many values and the use of this property helps to establish that the work is heavily referential in a machine readable way.
  3. Good question, I'm not sure to be honest. My gut reaction is no since those seem like metadata about the work rather than actually being part of the work. However, perhaps they should with a qualifier to indicate that they're part of the index (also keep in mind, persons/places that are present in the work are already captured by other properties and don't belong in this property about entities only named).
--SilentSpike (talk) 11:40, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Is this proposal equivalent to Wikidata:Property proposal/references ? Presumably one wouldn't need both? Should the proposals be merged? Jheald (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
    • I don't believe so since there's a distinctly different set of allowed values. That property would cover works paying tribute to other works by borrowing ideas, concepts or events specific to them (which cannot really apply to any given entity). Whereas this property can apply to any given entity explicitly named (only) in a work. I feel like that's not the best explination possible, perhaps Valentina.Anitnelav can shed some light on the difference more succinctly. --SilentSpike (talk) 19:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Currently they are not exactly equivalent (as explained by SilentSpike) and I admit that I'm also a bit partial to having a distinct property for references between works. On the other hand it might be actually possible to subsume this ("mentions") proposal under Wikidata:Property proposal/references by broadening the latter's scope to include all kinds of entities. If such a property should be accepted (in spite of concerns that it might be too broad) one should probably follow Jmabels proposal to indicate the kind of reference via a qualifier, maybe a new one along the lines of <kind of reference> that may take values like "mention", "allusion", "parody", "copy of style", etc. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral Generally too many in long books; don't you think so? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC).
    • Do you have an example? I can't really respond since I can't think of any books that include many mentions of entities which aren't characters or locations in the setting. --SilentSpike (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
      • But what about essays? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC).
        • Good question, I suppose it's worth considering how (or if) this should apply to non-fiction works which may mention many entities due to their nature (e.g. Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology (Q1210336)). I almost feel like it shouldn't since in those cases the entities are part of the subject of the work and not merely mentioned by name. --SilentSpike (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
          • For non-fiction books that aren't dictionaries nor encyclopedias, perhaps could we consider that the property should be used chapter by chapter (each one having an item)? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC).
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose For now, If papers with 2,000 authors are causing problems, then how are we going to deal with works that mention 2,000 - or 20,000 - people or things? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
    • This seems like a vote to Symbol wait.svg Wait. Presumably until there is a solution/rule/agreement in place to handle items which could have many statements? I'm still personally sceptical of the existence of works with so many name-dropped entities (outside of non-fiction works which this could be refined to exclude), but admit that it's a possibility that one could exist. --SilentSpike (talk) 00:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support i need a property like this.--Shisma (talk) 17:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Pigsonthewing. There's no standard here for the significance of a "mention", so this will lead to an explosion of trivial statements. Swpb (talk) 16:53, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. We can't list every mention of anything anywhere, and this is insufficiently precise to exclude anything. --Yair rand (talk) 17:36, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
    • @Yair rand, Swpb: Do you have any suggestions on how this could be restricted further to make it a viable property then? Perhaps only allowing values that are persons/brands/organisations? --SilentSpike (talk) 11:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
      • No, I don't think that restriction would appreciably curtail trivial use. Frankly, I don't think there is any such tweak that could make this an appropriate property. A property like "includes a meaningful discussion of named entity" would theoretically be limited to non-trivial uses, but it would still need a clear, objective rule for what counts and what doesn't – and it would (rightly) exclude all of your examples. Swpb (talk) 15:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
        • What if we instead limited to domain to musical works only? The most problematic use case for this seems to be when applied to literary works due to their potential volume of applicable statements (which is not an invalid use, but undesirable). --SilentSpike (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
          • For me, still no. No matter the domain, you need a simple, workable standard for distinguishing meaningful from trivial mentions, and I don't think one exists. And again, if one did, all your example statements would fall on the wrong side. Swpb (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose like Yair rand. Looks like the "trivia" that infest Wikipedia are trying to expand here --Bultro (talk) 10:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

text features (bis)[edit]

number of characters[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioncount of characters in text without spaces or punctuation, text is available at Wikisource
Data typeQuantity
Domaintextual works
Example 1Ambition cannot find him. (Q19037174) → 151
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Planned useadd to some items on Wikidata:Lists/poems_by_Emily_Dickinson
See also

number of lines[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioncount of lines in text, text is available at Wikisource
Data typeQuantity
Domaintextual works, notably poems
Allowed unitsnone
Example 1Ambition cannot find him. (Q19037174) → 7
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Planned useadd to some items on Wikidata:Lists/poems_by_Emily_Dickinson
See also


Motivation[edit]

Some time ago we created number of words (P6570) and number of sentences (P6695) thanks to @Hsarrazin, Dhx1, Lymantria: and I finally added a few of the first property to items on Wikidata:Lists/poems_by_Emily_Dickinson. Given the genre, number of sentences (P6695) doesn't work that well and the above might be more suitable.

Please help complete the proposal.

@Ogmios: who seems to be using the properties too. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 15:59, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

@Nomen ad hoc: as this is book related. --- Jura 10:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

access status of contents[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionwhether all content published by a publisher (journal, TV channel, etc.) is directly readable online
Representsacademic conference (Q2020153), conference series (Q15900647), News media (Q1193236), broadcaster (Q15265344)
Data typeentity-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameter"openaccess" in en:template:Infobox Academic Conference and in en:template:Infobox Journal
Allowed valuessame values as access status (P6954)
Example 1International Conference on Database Theory (Q25106323)free to read (Q24707952)
Example 2TheGuardian.com (Q5614018)free to read (Q24707952)
Example 3Nature (Q180445)paywall (Q910845)
Example 4Netflix (Q907311)paywall (Q910845)
Planned useadd information about scientific venues following existing lists like [1] or [2]
See alsoaccess status (P6954)

Motivation[edit]

This is about adding a property to indicate which publishers make their work available online at no cost. The main motivation I see is to keep track of en:Open access scientific venues (journals and conferences) but the notion would make sense more broadly, e.g., for online newspapers (some require a subscription and some do not), online TV channels, etc.

We already have access status (P6954) but this is explicitly intended as a qualifier to indicate whether the DOI for a *single entity* (e.g., a single article) is open-access or not. So I think this is complementary to the proposal: it's better to indicate the access status of individual articles with access status (P6954) when they have a Wikidata entity, but for all the research articles, news articles, etc., that don't, then the availability status could be inferred from the status of the publisher.

There may be some corner cases in the definition, e.g., some scientific publishers distribute some works as open-access if the authors pay an extra charge; so I think the proposal should indicate the default status of articles (i.e., requiring no extra payment), possibly in a certain date range.

Another possibility is to use access status (P6954) as a qualifier of ISSN (P236) but this would not work for media without an ISSN. --A3nm (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Thanks @ArthurPSmith: @Jheald: @Swpb: for the feedback! It also sounds reasonable to me to allow access status (P6954) as a main property, with the semantics that on an entity it describes the access status of that entity (or its "contents", e.g., the proceedings of a conference series). How would one go in suggesting this? Would it be on Property_talk:P6954? Or can I just edit access status (P6954) and use it directly? --A3nm (talk) 21:23, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: @Jheald: @Swpb: asking again, how can I proceed to help move this forward? Thanks! --A3nm (talk) 13:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: @Jheald: @Swpb: how can this move forward? thanks! --A3nm (talk) 19:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Be bold and change the constraints on access status (P6954). If anyone opposes, start a discussion on the property's talk page. Swpb (talk) 19:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I have done this, and am creating my example facts using this system. If we do it this way, then my proposed property should not be created. --A3nm (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Patamu Certificate ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier of Patamu Registration Certificate
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Targa Scan (Q54165632)118571-977
Example 2Zuppometro (Q50213306)98058-e10
Example 3SIM Scanner (Q54855571)98060-c76
Sourcehttps://www.patamu.com/
Formatter URLhttps://www.patamu.com/certificate/$1

Motivation[edit]

Patamu is a web platform that provides a service of protection from plagiarism and storage of creative works (music and lyrics, literary works, code and software, visual arts, cinema and theater, science and research, design and architecture, other type) 94.34.249.146 18:04, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment It's not clear what Wikidata items your examples apply to, can you fix this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:37, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have provide Wikidata items for my examples. Best 94.34.249.131 07:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, they all have the same creator. Does this certificate apply to anything else in Wikidata, created by somebody else? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes of course. Potentially over 100.000 creative works can use this certificate and all of them have international validity. But I don't know somebody else to show in example. 94.34.132.135 15:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

startrekdb.se query[edit]

   Under discussion
RepresentsStar Trek character (Q73502569), Star Trek episode (Q61220733), astronomical object from the Star Trek multiverse (Q57083319), fictional spacecraft (Q14637321), Robert Duncan McNeill (Q508333), Star Trek novel (Q72996181)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem
Allowed values([\w]+)\/\1\.php\?([\w]+\=[\w\d]+)(&[\w]+\=[\.\d\w]+)?
Example 1Who Mourns for Adonais? (Q3487403)avsnitt/avsnitt.php?trek=tos&avsnitt=2.2
Example 2Borg cube (Q11338913)skepp/skepp.php?klass=21
Example 3Robert Duncan McNeill (Q508333)personer/personer.php?person=618
Formatter URLhttps://www.startrekdb.se/$1
See alsostartrek.com Database ID (P7512)

Motivation[edit]

startrekdb.se is a fan-curated fairly complete database of things related to Star Trek (Q1092). Unfortunately they don't seem to have a URI system or canonical link element (Q1033568). This has the disadvantage that its not an id in that there is no single canonical string that represents an article. For instance these two ids:

 avsnitt/avsnitt.php?trek=tos&avsnitt=2.2
 avsnitt/avsnitt.php?avsnitt=2.2&trek=tos

are different but they refer to the same entry. Also there is a lot of redundancy in every value. -- Shisma (talk) 10:16, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • The datatype should be URL.--GZWDer (talk) 00:42, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - Seems like a pretty shaky foundation to have as a property if they don't provide permalinks and queries could change. To use those queries as a reference simply use reference URL (P854) or described at URL (P973) as a property. Husky (talk) 22:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

IGCD fictional car ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of a fictional automotible in the Internet Game Cars Database
RepresentsInternet Game Cars Database (Q82559395)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfictional automobile (Q15707563)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Danville (Q61157068)19949
Example 2Eiswolf (Q61157070)157938, 17979
Example 3Atlasbreaker (Q60618469)10000036, 59614
Example 4FBI (Q61157071)7973, 17982
Sourcehttps://www.igcd.net/index.php
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=$1

Motivation[edit]

 – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trade (talk • contribs) at 15:21, February 27, 2020‎ (UTC).

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Why are there are more than one number for some of these examples? Is it really an identifier? Or do our items join together several distinct fictional vehicles? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I notice that your id's for Eiswolf and FBI are the same, also, something seems wrong there! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @ArthurPSmith: Some of these fictional vehicles appears in more than one video game hence why some of them have multiple numbers. Specific unique vehicles such as Luz' Eiswolf should have their own item. --Trade (talk) 18:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • But why are there two cars with the same identifier value - 17982 ? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:49, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

mix'n'match temporary cross-reference[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionstatement generated by mix'n'match to sync items lacking "main subject" (P921). Once a catalogue is completed, its statements will be removed. Generally not added manually. See help page for details.
Representsitem lacking "main subject" (P921) about the subject of the statement, e.g. "biography of John Doe" on the item about John Doe
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parametern/a
Domainvaries from one catalogue to another
Allowed valuesQ\d+
Example 1changes, theoretical sample: Arthur S. Keats (Q89185969) → Q46360334
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
SourceMix'n'match (Q28054658)
Planned usesimilar to P2536 is used by see Help:Add main subject with Mix-n-Match
Number of IDs in sourcevaries
Formatter URLhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/$1
Robot and gadget jobsReinheitsgebot syncs with Mix'n'match (Q28054658)
See also

Motivation[edit]

Help:Add main subject with Mix-n-Match explains the steps of using Mix'n'Match (MxM) to identify items that are values for main subject (P921).

Initially, I used Sandbox-External identifier (P2536). That works mostly, but could use a few improvements. To avoid problems with other experiments, this proposal for a temporary property. Also, a dedicated property would make it easier to include custom code in MxM.

Note it's temporary in the sense that items for a given catalogue only use it for some time, but it's a permanent property as it can be used by other catalogues later. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 20:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Maybe I'm missing something here, but can't one just use main subject (P921) directly? This seems like an abuse of mix n match... ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
    • How would you do it? --- Jura 18:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: Assuming I understand the idea here, let's say I have some titles of items that are "about" other items. I'd put those titles and their QID's into a csv file, load it into OpenRefine, tweak the titles to pull out likely label matches, then do OpenRefine's reconcile process to match those labels to Wikidata items, then dump out those title QID and matched QID pairs and load into Quickstatements to add the main subject (P921) statements. Or there might be a way to do it directly in OpenRefine. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
        • I haven't tried OpenRefine's matching recently, but essentially, I would have to do all of them myself ;) Also, I couldn't see what's matching in other MxM catalogues. --- Jura 18:12, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

measure of gobbledygook[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionassessment of readability with this index or grade. Qualify with "quantity" (P1114) to include the actual score/grade/index level.
Representsreadability test (Q2114712)
Data typeItem
Domaintext, generally with a full text version at Wikisource
Allowed valuesinstances of readability test score (Q91797784), e.g. SMOG grade (Q91745089); not the tests themselves (e.g. SMOG (Q7391268))
Example 1Moby-Dick (Q174596)Flesch reading ease score (Q91742269), qualified with quantity (P1114) = 57.9 [3]
Example 2Green Eggs and Ham (Q2759523)Flesch–Kincaid grade level (Q91743051), qualified with quantity (P1114) = -1.3 [4]
Example 3MISSING

Motivation[edit]

In order to conceive and create this wikipage to propose and initiate the creation of a new Wikibase/Wikidata entity of the entity-type property, myself, as its author, attempt to spell out the following, after considering and pondering the applicability, usefulness, non-inutility and purposivity of alternatively potentially applicable modalities, and debating at length with other possible options, after writing, drafting and formulating an initial version or edition that hasn't seen the light of the day, the reification of the informational content in the scope of this proposition will lead to an onthologically beneficial result and outcome or solution. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 11:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dhx1: as per previous discussions --- Jura 11:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Jura1: How about a quantity datatype, where the units are items such as SMOG grade (Q91745089)? Dhx1 (talk) 12:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dhx1: It's an option I considered. An aspect is that the values wouldn't be meaningful by themselves and one would have to retrieve the (unconvertible) units to actually get the information. --- Jura 12:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dhx1: another aspect is that on the Wikidata GUI, there is just no link to the unit and its item. --- Jura 14:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dhx1: shall we move ahead with this? --- Jura 16:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: What about a quantity datatype (no units?) and determination method (P459) as a mandatory qualifier? Otherwise I think it'd be best to have a property created for each type of readability scoring method if the intent is to use the data directly in infoboxes. Dhx1 (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: Cancel my previous suggestion, as determination method (P459) would probably describe the process used to generate the readability score. For example, a particular software product and version was used, or a score can be generated in two or more ways. Besides creating multiple properties for each readability score method, use of units still seems to be most appropriate despite the limitations you mentioned. Other approaches such as using measurement scale (P1880) as a mandatory qualifier don't match the intended use of the existing properties, even though the labels may imply they could be used. As a third suggestion, I suppose determination method (P459) could be used with two values--i.e. both a scoring mechanism (paper describing the readability scoring system?) and calculating mechanism (software?). Dhx1 (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
        • @Dhx1: I hadn't thought of P1880. Let me think about that one. There is indeed a need to indicate the tool used and applying P459 for both would be suboptimal. BTW Talk:Q2114712 has a summary of measures and different formulas to calculate them. --- Jura 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
        • @Dhx1: do we have any cases where quantities with multiple, unconverted values really work out? It's already not simple for population numbers or elo ratings. The more I think about this proposal, the more like the initial form. --- Jura 14:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

correspondent of[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionpeople who are written correspondents of each other
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Charles Dickens (Q5686) → correspondent of → Queen Victoria (Q9439)
Example 2Alfred Stieglitz (Q313055) → correspondent of → Georgia O'Keeffe (Q46408)
Example 3Ada Lovelace (Q7259) → correspondent of → Charles Babbage (Q46633)

Motivation[edit]

We are very new to using Wikidata, apologies for the inevitable errors. We are working on a project where we are adding people of local importance that we have materials about within our university archives into Wikidata. One of the pieces of information that we see as being helpful for our users and possibly for other archives or researchers is who corresponded with who. Similar to "influenced by" and "significant person" and the properties associated with artists and their influences but so far missing from Wikidata properties - adding "correspondent of" would show more of the connections between literary, political, religious, creative, and other people of note and which is important historical data to represent.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by UVicMetadata (talk • contribs) at 22:43, May 13, 2020‎ (UTC).

Discussion[edit]

significant person
Normal rank Charles Babbage Arbcom ru editing.svg edit
object has role correspondent
▼ 0 reference
+ add reference


+ add value

--Tinker Bell 03:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Book Marks ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a book at Book Marks
RepresentsBook Marks (Q94648362)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainbook (Q571), literary work (Q7725634)
Allowed values[a-z\-\d]+
Example 1Until the End of Time (Q85847910)until-the-end-of-time-mind-matter-and-our-search-for-meaning-in-an-evolving-universe
Example 2Coffeeland (Q94661738)coffeeland-one-mans-dark-empire-and-the-making-of-our-favorite-drug
Example 3Dear Edward (Q85756021)dear-edward
Example 4The Mirror and the Light (Q7751674)the-mirror-the-light
Example 54 3 2 1 (Q28846426)4-3-2-1
Sourcehttps://bookmarks.reviews/categories/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in sourcethousands
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://bookmarks.reviews/reviews/$1

Motivation[edit]

The book review aggregator by Grove Atlantic's LitHub. It's highly useful. INS Pirat (t | c) 23:47, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support--Cwf97 (talk) 19:53, 29 May 2020 (EST)

Xfinity Stream ID[edit]

Motivation[edit]

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Cwf97 (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

heraldic attitude[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionProperty to describe the attitude or posture of a charge on a coat of arms (e.g. lion rampant). May be used as a main statement or qualifier in "depicts" statements (and possibly other types of statements).
Representsheraldic attitude (Q1243409)
Data typeItem
Domaincharge (Q1424805), as a main statement or qualifier
Allowed valuesany instance or subclass of heraldic attitude (Q1243409)
Example 1Barberini coat of arms (Q95691023) depicts (P180) bee (Q857492)volant (Q58810764)
Example 2Leopard (Q355564)passant (Q47462389), → guardant (Q47462197)
Example 3lion rampant (Q3241798)rampant (Q1469340)
Planned useTo correctly describe family coats of arms depicted in paintings and tapestries
See alsoexpression, gesture or body pose (P6022), direction (P560), has quality (P1552)

Motivation[edit]

We do not have a proper way to describe the canonical heraldic attitude of an animal or person in a coat of arms. In the early days of 2014, the prototype item Coat of arms of the municipality of Östersund (Q10728131) used direction (P560) for this, but that causes a constraint violation. The item lion rampant (Q3241798) uses has quality (P1552). expression, gesture or body pose (P6022) is the closest property we already have, but I think it would best to create a unique property for "heraldic attitude" with its restricted vocabulary of values (Wikidata has 26 of them). PKM (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC).
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment if the description is meant to be made with items like bee (Q857492), I think it would be better done with a property other than depicts (P180), e.g. "has part" or a new one. --- Jura 07:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
    • There are some coat of arms items that use "has part" for the elements of the achievement, and some that use "depicts". The Heraldry project (now mostly inactive) recommended "depicts" but that was in 2014. I would be happy to open this question for feedback - where would you like to do that? - PKM (talk) 21:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Maybe in a new property proposal? As far as this one is concerned, I suppose the qualifier could be applied to whatever comes out of it. --- Jura 18:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
    • For reference, ~500 items use “depicts” and ~30 use “has part” currently. I will think about what a new property might be called - as you say, it’s tangential to the discussion at hand. - PKM (talk) 00:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • It seems you had seen Wikidata:Property proposal/blazon by @Tinker Bell: some time ago. --- Jura 06:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Jheald (talk) 08:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol wait.svg Wait I think before making a property proposal, we should discuss many other things about modelling blazons, maybe at Heraldry wikiproject. I would also share an attempt to define a structured representation for coat of arms, it maybe could give us some hints for the task. --Tinker Bell 04:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Can you do this onwiki? How would it impact this proposal? --- Jura 13:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Wikidata:WikiProject Heraldry has been fairly inactive since 2014. I would be delighted if we had a few editors interested in picking it up again. There are many properties and qualifiers that have been created in recent years such as shown with features (P1354) that might be really useful in that domain. - PKM (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I'd be happy to take part in such discussions/modelling. Was planning on reviving the Wikidata:Property proposal/blazon anyway (how I came across this) but it would be good to revive the discuss, with Structured Data on Commons it should be easier to get the Commons only editors interested. /Lokal_Profil 07:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

BoardGameGeek family ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a game series on the BoardGameGeek website
RepresentsBoardGameGeek (Q887528)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainboard game franchise (Q28114062)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Exit: The Game (Q31837127) → 36963
Example 2Catan series (Q28114052) → 3
Example 3Carcassonne series (Q28912766) → 2
Sourcehttps://boardgamegeek.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in sourceI do not know. The ID is shared between some other types.
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamefamily/$1
See alsoBoardGameGeek ID (P2339), BoardGameGeek game publisher ID (P6160), BoardGameGeek designer ID (P3505)

Motivation[edit]

This property would fit right into the other BoardGameGeek properties. — Dexxor (talk) 21:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

introduced in version, removed in version[edit]

introduced in version[edit]

removed in version[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionInverse of removed feature (P756).
Data typeItem
Domainfeature
Allowed valuessoftware
Example 1APIEditBeforeSave (Q21675045)MediaWiki 1.34 (Q89096161)
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
See alsodeprecated in version (P2379)

Discussion[edit]

A software version can introduce a large number of new feature that can not be added to the version item.

Previous proposal: Wikidata:Property proposal/introduced in version

--GZWDer (talk) 07:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I hadn't taken notice of deprecated in version (P2379) before, but all three of these seem useful. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Jc86035 (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I would like to see these properties replace introduced feature (P751) and removed feature (P756), but I'm not sure if I support having an item for every software version and feature. --Haansn08 (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • If this is a clear superset of introduced feature (P751) and removed feature (P756) it would make more sense to increase the scope of those and maybe rename them. Is there are argument that we want this property to be distinct from those two? ChristianKl❫ 10:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I hadn't realized these proposals were inverses of existing properties; I think we need a better argument for creating them; I've struck my support vote. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - Per ChristianKl and ArthurPSmith. Husky (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment If there is an item for the feature and the version, it seems to make sense to add it this way round. --- Jura 11:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

depicted without[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionimage illustrates the absence of this object. Only use with values that are present in similar images or that could have be assumed as present. Compare with "depicts" (P180), "does not have part" (P3113)
Data typeItem
DomainCommonsMedia
Allowed unitsn/a
Example 1File:Tower of Pisa Italy detail top.jpgDal Pozzo (Q95982109)
Example 2File:Unidentified roses with sign 'Astrid Lindgren'.jpgRosa 'Astrid Lindgren' (Q4048433)
Example 3File:Times Square - 49874280633.jpgcrowd (Q13430821)
Example 10
See also

Motivation[edit]

Commons uses depicts (P180) to describe what's visible in an image. Some images are suitable to illustrate elements that can be expected there, but aren't. Obviously not any value should be used with this property. Generally, there would be another image with that element visible. For the first sample this would be File:T de Pisa, Pisa, Italia, 2019 01.jpg.

Given that does not have part (P3113) is meant for has parts of the class (P2670) or has part (P527), I think we lack a suitable property.

Please add more samples. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 15:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - I don't understand this proposal. I think you need some more samples, because for now 'depicted without' could be filled with any random item. Husky (talk) 22:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Husky: the description attempts to capture that possible risk. I agree that more samples are needed before proceeding. I will added some as I come across. Maybe COVID emptied streets that are generally full of people? --- Jura 07:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jura1: - Okay, now i understand a bit more what you're trying to do with this property (with the COVID example). It would basically be a way to model something like 'empty street' (street depicted without people). I still feel this would be overly complicated, if i want to model an empty street i could simply say: 'depicts empty + street', or perhaps 'depicts street --> qualifier: excluding people'. Husky (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
So why would this picture have the 'depicted without Rosa 'Astrid Lindgren' (Q4048433)' property? Husky (talk) 20:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The sign used there "Astrid Lindgern" usually implies that the rose next to it is Rosa 'Astrid Lindgren' (Q4048433). --- Jura 12:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Okay, i kind of get the usecase now, but this property would still be far too ambiguous in my opinion. Should all the pictures of Stan Laurel (Q72869) get a 'depicted without' Oliver Hardy (Q72911) if he's not in the picture? For pictures that might be ambiguous, like the roses you mentioned, i think we can do fine with just captions and/or descriptions on the file page. Trying to model this using Wikidata properties would be both overkill and very hard to explain to people. Husky (talk) 14:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment File:Times Square - 49874280633.jpg could be a nice sample too. We should be able to find a picture "with" at a comparable time (8:29 am). --- Jura 12:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment This looks like computing. I haven't understood, why we need "negative" statement. BTW, the first image of Pisa Tower includes the bell also. --Juandev (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I do not get it. --Jarekt (talk) 02:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jarekt: I re-wrote the description. Is there some aspect that I should clarify further? --- Jura 06:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
I guess I understand it now but I am still not sure if it makes sense, for absence of an object to be noticeable I would have to have expectation for the object to be there. If a file is named "Portrait of President Obama" but he is not in the photo than it is a problem with a file name that should be corrected, but without a clue based on the filename I do not have expectation to see him in the image. I can not think of any useful queries one would do with this property. --Jarekt (talk) 18:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

AnyDecentMusic album ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for album reviews at AnyDecentMusic
RepresentsAnyDecentMusic? (Q4778122)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainalbum (Q482994)
Allowed values\d+\/[A-Za-z\-\d]+
Example 1Græ (Q94585302)11400/Moses-Sumney-gr
Example 2Set My Heart on Fire Immediately (Q95977659)11395/Perfume-Genius-Set-My-Heart-On-Fire-Immediately
Example 3RTJ4 (Q96054303)12425/Run-The-Jewels-RTJ4
Sourcehttp://www.anydecentmusic.com
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in sourceseveral thousand
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://www.anydecentmusic.com/review/$1.aspx

Motivation[edit]

A music review aggregator. It's already widely in use in enwiki. INS Pirat (t | c) 13:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

position within image[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionPosition of a person or an object on a photo where there are multiple persons or objects
Data typeItem
Domainqualifier
Allowed valuespositions: e.g. left, right, top, bottom, top left: down (Q15332388), lower part (Q17525439), bottom (Q16421635), up (Q15332375), upper part (Q17525438), centre (Q23595), left (Q13196750), left part (Q17525441), right (Q14565199), right part (Q17525442), upper left part (Q27956549), upper right part (Q27956533), lower left part (Q27956553), and lower right part (Q27956561)
Example 1File:Myrthe Morrees, Lynn Wilms en Joelle Smits - 1578063654.JPG depicts (P180) Myrthe Moorrees (Q2145911) -> left (Q13196750)
Example 2File:Myrthe Morrees, Lynn Wilms en Joelle Smits - 1578063654.JPG depicts (P180) Lynn Wilms (Q56676525) -> middle
Example 3File:Myrthe Morrees, Lynn Wilms en Joelle Smits - 1578063654.JPG depicts (P180) Joëlle Smits (Q56676398) -> right (Q14565199)
Example 4Lynn Wilms (Q56676525) image (P18) File:Myrthe Morrees, Lynn Wilms en Joelle Smits - 1578063654.JPG -> middle
Format and edit filter validationonly as a qualifier
Planned useUsage as qualifier for SDOC
See also

Motivatie[edit]

There is currently no good way to describe which person is where on a photo with multiple persons. Eg. File:Myrthe Morrees, Lynn Wilms en Joelle Smits - 1578063654.JPG, how to say in Structured data that Myrthe is on the left, Lynn in the middle and Joëlle on the right? series ordinal (P1545) isn't suited, because why should we start counting on the left? Mbch331 (talk) 19:04, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
  • Perhaps the label "descriptive position within image", to indicate that the property doesn't intend to actually give the subject's location, but just a vague description. My understanding is that this proposal is purely intended for human readable description and is applicable only to limited images with distinct and few subjects. The specific position coordinates can already be compared to generate such descriptions. --SilentSpike (talk) 11:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Well, Wikipedia infoboxes generally have such descriptions, so the number isn't that limited. Oddly, the feature you describe doesn't seem to exist or be used there. Can we see it somewhere in action or is it just an abstract possibility, unlikely to be implemented? --- Jura 12:08, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
      • By limited I just meant a limited subset comparatively to the set of all images, a good example of why implicit points of reference are easy to misinterpret (especially for a machine). As for how that would be implemented, I'm not experienced with editing wikipedia, but my understanding is that they can access Wikidata via a Lua Scribunto interface. Looking at the docs, it seems they could access the statements with mw.wikibase.entity:getBestStatements and compare the x/y coordinates as needed to categorise them corresponding to a lua table of descriptive position strings (or even the above Wikidata items). I'm familiar with lua and it seems like a basic operation, but perhaps (likely) there's some wiki specific implementation complexities I wouldn't know about. --SilentSpike (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

kino-teatr.ru film ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a film at the kino-teatr.ru
Representskino-teatr.ru (Q28666947)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Example 1Q2007267512371
Example 2Franz + Polina (Q4038963)9641
Example 3The Admiral (Q358985)82392
Sourcehttps://www.kino-teatr.ru
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/movie/sov/$1/annot/
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?
See alsoKinopoisk film ID (P2603), kino-teatr.ru person ID (P7808)

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable film data. --Mitte27 (talk) 03:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Reposcope ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a software (category) on Reposcope
RepresentsReposcope (Q96582794)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainsoftware (Q7397), media type (Q1667978), software category (Q17155032)
Allowed values(package|applications?|mimetype)\/[\w\-+.]+
Example 1chemical/x-mdl-sdfile (Q55738541)mimetype/chemical/x-mdl-sdfile
Example 2kakoune (Q28974962)package/kakoune
Example 3IRC client (Q10417670)applications/ircclient
Example 4Firefox (Q698)application/firefox
Sourcehttps://reposcope.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useAdding the ID to some data items
Number of IDs in sourceunknown
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://reposcope.com/$1
Robot and gadget jobsBots could be written to fill out depends on software (P1547) and official website (P856) and update software version identifier (P348) if a package name is given. I do not think that we need another User:Repology bot.
See alsoRepology project name (P6931)

Motivation[edit]

Reposcope lists dependencies, data sizes, media types, and hosts man pages while Repology does not. —Dexxor (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

@AMDmi3: Dachary
Metamorforme42
NMaia
Valerio Bozzolan
MichaelSchoenitzer
Jasc PL
LiberatorG
Dexxor
Waldyrious
Iwan.Aucamp


Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Informatics/FLOSS

I wonder whether this property should be split into packages, applications and software categories (there are so few media types on Wikidata that they are not worth a separate property). —Dexxor (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Localised title[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionthe title of the work for a certain language
Representscreative work (Q17537576)
Data typeMonolingual text
Domainitem
Example 1Who Watches the Watchers (Q7997416)Prima direttiva (it)
Example 2Who Watches the Watchers (Q7997416)¿Quiés vigila a los vigilantes? (es)
Example 3Who Watches the Watchers (Q7997416)Observateurs observés (fr)
Example 4Who Watches the Watchers (Q7997416)Der Gott der Mintakaner (de)
Example 5Who Watches the Watchers (Q7997416)修行神伝説 (ja)
Example 6Beyond the Farthest Star (Q4900128)Das körperlose Wesen (de)
Example 7Beyond the Farthest Star (Q4900128)Keine Blumen für Kirk (de)

Motivation[edit]

I once added all the official German titles for every instance of Star Trek episode (Q61220733) using the property title (P1476). Someone then deleted those and told me to use name (P2561) instead. Which I did. But I still think, it should be called title. It is just not the actual/official/primary title. So how about having a separate property for localised titles? note that some works might multiple localised titles in the same language (example 6 & 7). --Shisma (talk) 09:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Valentina.Anitnelav Thierry Caro Shisma (talk) Arlo Barnes (talk) Tsaorin (talk) 16:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Narration

Maniadb album ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIt's a unique identifier for albums listed in the Maniadb database.
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainalbum (Q482994) and extended play (Q169930)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Very Berry (Q23838469)730403
Example 2Real (Q10854802)645591
Example 3Love Yourself: Tear (Q52063223)762115
Sourcehttp://www.maniadb.com/
Planned useTo enhance album (Q482994) and extended play (Q169930) items.
Number of IDs in sourceMore than 300000, less than 400000
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.maniadb.com/album/$1

Motivation[edit]

Maniadb is a broad database dedicated to music. We already have album-identifying properties for similar databases such as AllMusic album ID (P1729) and MusicBrainz release group ID (P436), however those websites are in English while this one is in Korean, therefore it may have more records dedicated to albums released by non-Western artists. Chiyako92 (talk) 13:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Public Art Vienna (Wien Kulturgut) ID[edit]

   Ready Create
DescriptionID of public art in the "public art register" of the municipality of Vienna, Austria.
Representscultural property (Q2065736)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainproperty on cultural property (Q2065736) and similar
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1Hill Arches (Q19691875)41975
Example 2Q159990243443
Example 3N.I.C. - nature is cool (Q84824999)78190
Example 4war memorial Edelsinnstraße (Q91660999)97201
Sourcehttps://www.wien.gv.at/kultur/kulturgut/kunstwerke/index.html, https://www.data.gv.at/katalog/dataset/stadt-wien_kunstwerkeimffentlichenraumwien, de:Liste der Kunstwerke im öffentlichen Raum in Wien
Planned uselink from the wikidata entries for public art in Vienna to their representation on external sites in a structured way.
Number of IDs in source2254
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.wien.gv.at/kulturportal/public/grafik.aspx?FeatureByID=$1&FeatureClass=kunstkultur&ThemePage=4
Proposed bySkunk (talk)

Motivation[edit]

In de:WP we have lists of public art of Vienna, e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kunstwerke_im_%C3%B6ffentlichen_Raum_in_Wien/Josefstadt and for some prominent objects even indiviual articles, e.g. de:Mozart-Brunnen (Wien) (these lists always includes the ID used by Wiener Kulturgut). The requested ID allows to link to the map of Wiener Kulturgut, where additional information of each object can be received. The register of public art is also available as Open Government Data.

In Commons there is a template Commons:template:Public Art Austria, which uses the same formatter URL. Skunk (talk) 17:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Symbol support vote.svg Support --Haansn08 (talk) 07:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

ProtonDB app ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of an app in the ProtonDB database
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Satisfactory (Q62049495)526870
Example 2Grand Theft Auto V (Q17452)271590
Example 3Counter-Strike: Source (Q473673)240
Formatter URLhttps://www.protondb.com/app/$1

Motivation[edit]

ProtonDB is a database that rates the support of video games on Linux.

ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Esteban16 (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Coloradohusky CptViraj BugWarp ʂɤɲ User:Nw520 Cynde Moya Dexxor Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Video games. Pamputt (talk) 23:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose The IDs are the same as Steam application ID (P1733), and Proton is already listed as a third-party formatter URL for Steam application ID. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I used to be of the same opinion as Lewis Hulbert ; however since I have come to understand that ProtonDB is effectively a subset of SteamDB: all items with an entry in ProtonDB will have an entry in SteamDB ; however the reverse is not true − hence ProtonDB claiming it has "only" 14,227 entries ; while SteamDB has over 147,000 entries.
    If this understanding is correct, then I would lean towards Symbol support vote.svg Support. Jean-Fred (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jean-Frédéric: I had not thought about this, thanks for bringing it to my attention, if it were to only have a subset of Steam games that have received a rating I would be willing to support, but storing an exact mirror of the Steam application IDs where 100,000 records contain no additional data seems a waste of time. I've tried looking for some obscure games on the Steam marketplace and checking whether they have a ProtonDB entry and they all have so far, although most have had no reports. The homepage's terminology of "14,227 games reported" makes me think that they have the full Steam data incorporated into their database and the figure is only how many have received ratings by their users. PCGamingWiki automatically adds the ProtonDB link to the infobox whenever a Steam ID is present.[5]. It seems a little bit of a shame to not be able to link to useful information on ProtonDB, I wonder if the creation of a generic property like "compatibility rating" (which we could also use for Wine Application Database (Q63196900)) and storing the values on Wikidata? Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
What about rating (P4271)? @Lewis Hulbert:--Trade (talk) 17:26, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The Steam and ProtonDB lingo is "App", not game − as there are other types of apps in Steam − I assume the same is true for ProtonDB. I would suggest calling this property 'ProtonDB app ID'. Jean-Fred (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
    I changed the description and the labels. Pamputt (talk) 16:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Agree with Lewis Hulbert. Sir Lothar (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

interactive elements[edit]

Motivation[edit]

This qualifier is to be used with ESRB rating (P852)--Trade (talk) 15:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • The example is unclear. If this is supposed to be a qualifier, what is the value supposed to be? ChristianKl❫ 13:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
    Better?@ChristianKl:--Trade (talk) 15:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
    Yes, now the example works. ChristianKl❫ 18:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 22:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Esteban16 (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Coloradohusky CptViraj BugWarp ʂɤɲ User:Nw520 Cynde Moya Dexxor Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Video games Thierry Caro Roseohioresident Fuzheado

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject United States Thierry Caro Fralambert Amqui Antoine2711 (talk) Helmoony joplam QultureQc Jura YanikB Mykola Swarnyk Jimj_wpg Deror avi BeatrixBelibaste Hannes Röst

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Canada. Kirilloparma (talk) 22:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

雑誌コード (ja) – (Please translate this into English.)[edit]

   Under discussion
Description日本で使用されている雑誌・ムックの固有コード。5桁-2桁で構成されているが、後ろの2桁は月号等を示すため、前の5桁が固有のコードとなる。 (ja) – (Please translate this into English.)
RepresentsQ11659417
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values5桁の数字
Example 1Japan Railfan Magazine (Q6157807) → 06459
Example 2Bungeishunjū (Q4390579) → 07701
Example 3Q5369562 → 20081
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
See alsoISSN (P236)International Standard Book Number (Q33057)

Motivation[edit]

日本ではISSN (P236)が採用されていない雑誌が多数あり、雑誌コードのほうが多く利用されているため。 もし提案が不完全な部分があったら、追記いただけばと思います。--Mario1257 (talk) 15:05, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]