Property talk:P463

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member of
organization or club to which the subject belongs. Do not use for membership in ethnic or social groups, nor for holding a position such as a member of parliament (use P39 for that).
Representsmember (Q9200127)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: person
According to statements in the property:
person (Q215627), organization (Q43229), fictional character (Q95074), document (Q49848), territory (Q183366), political territorial entity (Q1048835) and fictional organization (Q14623646)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuesorganization (Q43229) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Usage notes민족, 정당을 나타내려고 한다면 P172(민족)나 P102(소속 정당)를, 팀을 나타내는 경우엔 P54(소속 팀)를, 가문을 나타내려고 한다면 P50(다음 가문의 일원임)을 대신 사용하세요.
Si vous voulez représenter une nation ou un parti politique, utilisez P172 (nation) ou P102 (affiliation à un parti), P54 (équipe) pour représenter une équipe ou P50 (membre de la famille suivante).
ExampleIring Fetscher (Q1672692)German PEN Center (Q2043519)
Iron Man (Q180704)Avengers (Q322646)
Tracking: sameno label (Q42533283)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P463 (Q21037892)
See alsofamily (P53), member of sports team (P54), participant of (P1344), member of political party (P102), ethnic group (P172), position held (P39), affiliation (P1416), member of the crew of (P5096)
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Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (member of (P463)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P463#Contemporary, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
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Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (P463) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P463#Contemporary, SPARQL


Untitled[edit]

I've seen this property is used in claims like "member of: Royal Society". However, there are several different kind of membership of Royal Society, including Fellow, Honorary Fellow, Royal Fellow and Foreign Member. How do we distinguish these different memberships? Do we need a qualifier for this?--Stevenliuyi (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Can we can add "instance of" ("instance of fellow", "instance of permanent member").

"must not be used for ethnic or social groups"[edit]

That would indeed be odd to say "member of Arabs/Jews", and actually there is a separate ethnicity property. On the other hand I am not sure it would necessarily be wrong to use this property for Indian castes or this sort of things. --Zolo (talk) 11:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment On first read of the description, I thought it was maybe trying to say that the property could not be used for organizations that are members of something. I'm adding a bit to clarify this so we don't unintentionally scare off legitimate use. Joshbaumgartner (talk) 03:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

voluntary?[edit]

I think the word voluntary should be dropped, it suggests the person is unpaid. The payment side of it does seem all that relevant.

I'm suggesting good use of this property would be as a qualifier with Member of Parliament (which is normally paid). See this example: Q192 under offices held. Danrok (talk) 13:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure voluntary here doesn't mean "unpaid", but rather "non-compulsory". Silver hr (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense. Danrok (talk) 13:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
For politicians, "position held: member of parliament" (if a suitable property for "member of parliament" exists) seems to be more appropriate than "member of: parliament". Andrew Gray (talk) 11:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Is "voluntary" too limiting?[edit]

"Voluntary" is used here to emphasise that we don't want "intrinsic" properties like "member: French people" or "member: France". I agree this is senible.

The problem is that there are non-voluntary organisations of which someone can be a member, for example, military units (see recent discussion at Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2014/05#Military units) - someone may be conscripted and serve in a military unit against their will, but "member of" still seems the most sensible way to represent the affiliation between that person and that unit.

Any objection to extending the description to reflect this sort of use? Andrew Gray (talk) 11:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Has the matter been settled? I agree that this property should be okay of a military unit the person has served in... -Ash Crow (talk) 21:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Done, agreed. Emw (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Only persons?[edit]

If this property should only be used for persons, what property should be used for organisations?

Examples:

--Kolja21 (talk) 06:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why this property should only be used for persons. Countries and organizations can be part of coalitions and alliances as well, so I don't see why we can't use this property for them. —Wylve (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Wylve. This is extremely useful for territorial organziations in France, for example a commune of France (Q484170) which is member of an intercommunality in France (Q2707796) Kvardek du (talk) 23:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Houses/Families[edit]

Should this property be used to indicate members of a noble family or house? (E.g. William Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon (Q6485621) is a member of House of Courtenay (Q429499).) - PKM (talk) 00:46, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

PKM, yes. Emw (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Great, thank you. - PKM (talk) 20:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Years later I oppose. We have family (P53) for this. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Use for organizations/countries[edit]

This property is also in widespread use for countries and such being members of organizations. As such, I've removed the human-based constraints. Any objections? If this is to be only for humans, we should probably set up an equivalent property for organizations and have a bot replace the various statements. --Yair rand (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion it's perfectly fine to use this property for humans and organizations. --Pasleim (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

In the list of constraint violations, many entries appear because they're members of a fictional organization (Q14623646) (which is a fictional analog of (P1074) of organization (Q43229)), rather than a subclass). Should this be extended to allow that? --Oravrattas (talk) 07:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

human, not just person?[edit]

When an individual is listed as being a 'member of' something (in the case that brought my attention to this property it was a Political Party), this is currently displayed as a constraint violation... That is because this property allows instances of "Person" but not "Human". Is that correct?? I would assume that since "instance of Human" is the way we structure individual people, then that should be an allowed value... am I wrong? Wittylama (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Korean alias[edit]

@Hibm98:

다른 이름이 과도하게 많으면 가독성을 해치기 때문에 (특히 모니터가 작은 환경에서는요) 적당한 선에서 다른 이름의 수를 유지하여 주시기를 부탁드립니다. 그리고 대부분 중복되는 어휘니까요. — regards, Revi 00:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

네 알겠습니다. --hibm98 (talk) 01:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Allowed Qualifiers[edit]

Hello,

it woud be good to allow the Qualifier object has role, see my example here: Q15134120. What do you think ?

Greetings --McSearch (talk) 18:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)


I've added another qualifier:

  • allowed qualifiers constraint: property: affiliation

To describe to which particular section of Academia Europaea a member belongs.

Example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q49242534#Q49242534$4ac03cfd-4609-4af5-5fa5-b09b958fb9ac

--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Bands[edit]

Hello, what property must be used with persons that belongs to a music band? For example Freddie Mercury (Q15869) is member of (P463) Queen (Q15862) and Paul McCartney (Q2599) part of (P361) The Beatles (Q1299) and he is member of (P463) American Academy of Arts and Sciences (Q463303). Thanks, Juan Mayordomo (talk) 19:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)