Property talk:P512

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academic degree
academic degree that the person holds
Description Academic degree that the person holds - academic degree (Q189533)
Represents academic degree (Q189533), academic degree (Q15811255)
Data type Item
Template parameter You can use en:Template:Infobox person education as complementary factor.
According to this template: Person
According to statements in the property:
human (Q5) and fictional character (Q95074)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values Academic degree [ academic degree (Q189533) ] such as Doctor of Philosophy, Master, Bachelor etc. (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example Paul Krugman (Q131112)Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297)
Vladimir Putin (Q7747)Kandidat Nauk in Economics (Q17744738)
Zhores Alferov (Q183279)Doctor of Sciences in Physics and Mathematics (Q17281097)
Source External information about that person can be source of this property (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Tracking: usage Category:Pages using Wikidata property P512 (Q27478254)
Proposal discussion Property proposal/Archive/7#P512
Current uses 47,626
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Value type “academic degree (Q189533): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value academic degree (Q189533) (or a subclass thereof).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Value type Q189533, SPARQL
Type “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)).
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Type Q5, Q95074, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Qualifiers “academic major (P812), educated at (P69), point in time (P585): this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

A qualifier for the place of thesis defence[edit]

In USSR dissertations were often made (and defended) in scientific-research instutes that weren't educational so educated at (P69) is not applicable. What sould one do? Ain92 (talk) 13:02, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Competition with educated at (P69)[edit]

When indicating that a person has earned an academic degree from a university, should we use property educated at (P69) with qualifier academic degree (P512), or vice versa property academic degree (P512) with qualifier educated at (P69)? The former approach is currently used in 582 items, the latter approach in 59 items. I prefer the former (i.e. educated at (P69) qualified with academic degree (P512)) also because this is already the case in many show case items (such as Barack Obama (Q76)) and the use of qualifiers start time (P580), end time (P582) and academic degree (P512) is explicitely recommended at academic degree (P512)'s talk page. Omitting academic degree (P512) in this case also makes it possible to indicate that the person has attended the university but perhaps has not finished his or her studies (i.e. has not earned a degree). On the other hand, I can find academic degree (P512) useful as a property if the university is not known. Still, I think we need to determine a single recommended approach to indicating the university AND the academic degree at the same time, because templates such as infoboxes for people draw this information and need to know where to look for it without having to try out several possible schemes. Currently, the talk page descriptions of the two properties contradict each other. --Blahma (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I use your preferred approach and I agree that I think it's better. I typically do educated at (P69), qualified with academic degree (P512), start time (P580), end time (P582), and academic major (P812), depending on how much information is available. Cbrown1023 talk 18:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
But of course when educated at (P69) has no relation to academic degree (P512) (see topic above) we should go with separate statements. --Infovarius (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I think separating academic degree (P512) and educated at (P69) is not ideal, because it goes with some redundancies (which take time). If we could add sub-qualifiers for qualifiers of statements, it would be ideal. Such as

There should also be a possibility for multiple (consecutive) degrees at the same university (as in the USA: BA, MA, PhD). Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

You can't have qualifiers on qualifiers, but you could list the same place several times with different qualifiers (dates).
Personally, I found it easier to use P512 as a property rather than as a qualifier. --- Jura 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Easier, yes, but why not do it my way? Jonathan Groß (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Try one and you will see it doesn't work. --- Jura 07:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
I know. But this is a wiki and the developers could change that, theoretically. Maybe it's better not to allow different hierarchic levels for qualifiers within a statement ... I'm no software engineer, so I don't know.
Aside from that, I have another quarrel with academic degree (P512). You can only enter one value for each qualifier, which leads to redundancies. See Hans Gossen (Q19210145) for example: Two doctoral advisors. Jonathan Groß (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Already data in qualifiers isn't necessarily being used .. so qualifiers on qualifiers ..
Special:PermanentLink/235933487#P512 is the way it looks when you add it as a qualifier. But even P184 should be a statement. --- Jura 13:59, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Not if a person obtained multiple academic degrees (e.g. Helmut Seng (Q1604199)). Jonathan Groß (talk) 21:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
In that case, you'd have to add qualifiers on P184. Just wondering, for both fields, is it of importance who it was? I suppose yes, if it was found later that they didn't actually write it themselves, otherwise? --- Jura 13:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

secondary or primary education[edit]

What is property for secondary or primary education degree? --Ans (talk) 08:14, 9 November 2017 (UTC)