User talk:Thierry Caro

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Best regards! --Stryn (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)



Hello, Thierry Caro! I am just letting you know that I have added the autopatroller flag to your account, as you are a trusted user on Wikidata. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me or leave a message at the Project chat. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 07:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

P360 "Is a list of"[edit]

A better way to code "List of Presidents of France" is to use P360 = Q5 (human) with the qualifier position held (P39) = President of the French Republic (Q191954).

This allows programs, eg Reasonator, to automatically create a list of items that match the criteria -- eg List of women engineers, which can then be compared to the list on the wiki page in any particular language.

So I think your example, the way you have added it, is not good guidance to people on how to use this property. Jheald (talk) 20:11, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, did you read Property talk:P641? --Stryn (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I was referring to the section "How should we use this property?". There have been discussions in the past how should we use P641, for example User_talk:Stryn/Archive_4#Addition_of_P641_to_players.27_entries. --Stryn (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect: gaelic games - P641[edit]

Q2447366 isn't Property:P641 - it is class of sports, which includes Q204632, Q213711 and others. It's like write Property:P641 - Q204686. NBS (talk) 19:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Q53121 vs Q2215841[edit]

I see that you're adding Q53121 to a lot of people as a sport (P641), that isn't a sport (P641). The sport (P641) version is Q2215841. Mbch331 (talk) 19:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks! But then we need to change a few things on Q53121 because it is misleading! Thierry Caro (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Of the 4 languages I see on that page (NL,EN,DE,FR) only FR talks about sports, the others don't. Since I'm fr-1, I'm not changing the description. Mbch331 (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I have Italian and they said 'sport' too. Whatever, maybe can you help me to sort portals? fr:Portail:Bicyclette is for the activity and fr:Portail:Cyclisme for the sport. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Not tonight. I'm getting a bit tired. I'll see if I have time tomorrow. Mbch331 (talk) 19:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

dessinateur de bande dessinée[edit]

bonsoir. J'ai un peu de mal avec cette catégorie, sous classe de dessinateur mais dessinateur n'est pas composé de dessinateur de bandes dessinées alors qu'il est composé de auteur de bandes dessinées. J'ai l'impression que dessinateur devrait être composé plutôt de dessinateur de bandes dessinées que d'auteur de bandes dessinés. De plus, il manque le féminin dessinatrice de bandes dessinées et je ne sais pas comment le rajouter. Merci de ton aide. Jmax (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Merci bien mais de fait, je ne n'ai pas dessinatrice de bande dessinée qui apparait pour une personne féminine. N'y aurait-il pas quelque chose avec un | ? Jmax (talk) 04:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
C'est normal, c'est le label de l'item (au masculin) qui apparait, mais on utilise le même item pour les deux sexes. Thibaut120094 (talk) 04:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi Thierry. You seem to misinterpret inception (P571). It is not about when a Wikidata property was created. This is not of general interest and could be obtained from the history if needed. In the case of element symbol (P246) for example, if at all, the date of creation might be given as 1813 in the corresponding item chemical symbol (Q102500). --Leyo 21:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

We will soon need this on the French Wikipedia, to track the new properties easily. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
That is not a sufficient reason. There are plenty of other ways to achieve this. --Leyo 21:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Hey! Who decides the sufficient reasons? This is just an awesome feature of properties and just ignore it if this is not useful to you, my friend. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata is not just there for Wikipedias. Inappripriate additions clog/hide useful information. Please remove the ones that have not yet been removed by Wikidata admin Andreasmperu (Special:Diff/251097630, Special:Diff/251089349, Special:Diff/251088604, Special:Diff/251087171, Special:Diff/251086172, Special:Diff/251086154, Special:Diff/247363231) yourself. --Leyo 22:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
No property has more than 4 or 5 properties. There is no issue, don't worry. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I actually do worry. It is very likely that this information is being misinterpreted. --Leyo 22:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I can see the use of inception (P571) for properties, but the the date for HMDB ID (P2057) and LIPID MAPS ID (P2063) is not the 13th of this month; they existed for much longer! I second the concerns of others that this is unintented use of inception (P571). Egon Willighagen (talk) 14:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Egon. You can free your mind. I take full responsibility of any disaster that may happen because of this! Seriously. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
You have a great sense of humor. Seriously. In this case, I don't. I ask you for the last time to remove these misleading additions. --Leyo 20:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Other properties like P31 are also used on properties. So I don't think they are more misleading than anything else here. But again, if somebody is mislead and this leads us all to some kind of drama, I'll take the entire responsibility. Till then, we can just relax and think that what is helpful or interesting to one may not be to someone else. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
This is not helpful or interesting. You are adding factually wrong things to items. It's like adding "color: red" to everything and then telling others to relax just because they don't think this would be useful. --2003:57:E67F:2501:ADC2:1E9C:96EA:78E5 21:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I would totally add 'red' on any property that is red. But none is. Every property has a inception (P571) so we can add this everywhere. Moreover, the target does not have to be an organization and you know that. So till someone comes showing me that this is a disaster or have a better reason against them, these properties should stay. People who may be confused by them can of course add qualifiers such as applies to part (P518) if they want to be very specific but this seems slightly useless to me since the property is very clear. Whatever, if it helps someone else, I won't fight it. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

« We will soon need this on the French Wikipedia » could you elabore why you *need* this and you can't get this information in an other and cleanier way ? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Tracking properties is quite difficult, whether here or on Wikipedia. So I try to fill them with more information so that eventually they'll become easier to find and use. On their page, I thus add inception (P571) but also Wikidata property example (P1855) and subject item of this property (P1629) when they are missing. I also add properties for this type (P1963) on the correct related item when needed. If there are other ways to make this, fine. I'll support any initiative that make properties easier to find and use but I don't think mine is breaking any rule, only some users' habits maybe. So this is why I am OK with taking all responsibility if somehow my way eventually destroys Wikidata - I really think there is absolutely nothing bad in what I do. Other users have used inception (P571) this way by the way. We are just helping Wikidata to get better and better. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It looks like a *want* more than a *need* but ok. How is inception (P571) helping you tracking properties? For properties like Wikidata property example (P1855) or subject item of this property (P1629) (and many others like subproperty of (P1647)), there is no problem and everybody understand the use but for inception (P571), I can't see any real use (and especially not with the Wikidata creation date of the page!). And even if this data is useful, there is plenty easy ways to find this data.
I think these claim are very very wrong. You mixing the property on Wikdata and the property. It's like adding the date of creation of an article on a item ; don't you see that <element symbol (P246)>inception (P571)<"7 March 2013" is as wrong as <chemical symbol (Q102500)>inception (P571)<"24 November 2012 ">? Neither of these two claims will « destroy Wikidata » but still, it's a very very bad idea. Other people may have use inception (P571) on properties and maybe on some property it's ok (for example maybe <Mérimée ID (P380)>inception (P571)<"1978" could be add - I'm not sure ; anyway, you cannot use inception (P571) with the date of creation of the Wikidata page) but they might be wrong too.
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
I really, really don't see the difficulty. Constraints, for example, can be slightly complicated. You have to sit 10 seconds to really understand that 'such property can have this value if this value has another property like this', etc. But here we have something like 'this property was created this date'. If someone does not understand that after 5 seconds, well, they are really not for Wikidata. Everyone here talking on my page actually understood everything in fact. So I don't know what we are talking about. Only suppositions. This is not a reason to withdraw data. And again, use qualifiers if you are really afraid of any possible difficulty. This is also what they are for. So you are fully equipped. I think this may be your solution. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata is built around properties that are supposed to have one consistent meaning. When things depart from that ideal, they become more difficult to document and maintain. That things remain clear for a human reader is not a sufficient criterion, it should be as easy as possible for dumb softwares as well.
I do not really see the need for putting a creation date on properties, but if there is one, creating a new "entity creation date" property is a simple, and much better solution. --Zolo (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Maybe. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:46, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
You misunderstand my analogy. Let's make it more explicit: "properties that are displayed as red in my browser". Is this a property of the property? It is not. It is a property of Wikidata and my browser. In the same way, "creation date of the page" is a property of the Wikidata page, not a property of the property itself. You can create a Wikidata item "page on Wikidata about property X", there the page creation date of the property could be added. Unfortunately, Wikidata property pages are not notable enough to get Wikidata items describing them.
"this property was created this date" is simply not true. The property "luminosity of stars" has existed as long as stars existed, and even their current measurement scheme existed for much longer than the wikipedia page for this property. This is elementary logic. --2003:57:E66D:2701:4930:DF96:F24B:1A76 20:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
I understand this subtlety but think about it. P31 also works like the way I use P571 on properties. See this. All the listed properties state through P31 that they are 'Wikidata properties', according to the English label. So here we have evidence that the page of properties are about themselves and not about the equivalent properties of the external authorities that created them. Luminosity of stars may have existed for a long time, here the property about them is quite new and this is what I logically document. The date for luminosity of stars in real world goes on the item's page and I don't know why you want to move it elsewhere. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Good point, we don't really handle properties the same way we handle items. Still I guess that will to be reviewed at some point, and, in any case, it is easy to create a non-ambiguous property to do just what you want. --Zolo (talk) 07:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

To come back to your initial argument: Wouldn't this API query be sufficient for your needs? --Leyo 21:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

That is probably useful, yes. But the thing is that we still want the data in Wikidata because we want Wikidata to be as exhaustive and as self-sufficient as it can be. Of course we can extract data from the history but we still want the data stored through declarations because this is mainly what we do here. Otherwise we can erase half of the properties we already have, the data being also available through queries elsewhere. Whatever, thank you for the effort. I much prefer this than the 'for the last time' message! Thierry Caro (talk) 22:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Elia Morpurgo[edit]

Bonjour Thierry,

Merci vivement pour tes ajouts d'informations sur Wikidata concernant Elia Morpurgo. Je m'étais permis de révoquer ton ajout d'infobox sur l'article fr:Elia Morpurgo, car une infobox avec une seule propriété ne me paraissait pas satisfaisante. Il en va tout autrement depuis tes ajouts.

Je ne peux que t'encourager à continuer dans ce sens : ajout d'informations sur Wikidata, puis ensuite ajout d'une infobox consistante. Merci, cordialement, Kertraon (talk) 08:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

requête autolist2[edit]

Dans le cadre d'une amélioration de wikidata, je cherche à mettre dans wikidata les dates de naissance trouvées dans wikipedia pour les pages ayant l'infobox biographie2 ce qui permet d'éviter l'infobox un peu vide alors que dans le texte, on a l'information. J'avais trouvé une requête de votre part [1] qui est très pertinente mais qui hélas, ramène les résultats de pages WP dans la catégorie date de naissance non renseignée au XXe siècle et siècles précédents et donc, c'est beaucoup de temps perdu. Aussi, je cherche à affiner la requête pour ne chercher que dans les pages de WP n'ayant pas la catégorie date de naissance non renseignée, ce qui permettrait de trouver quasiment à tout coup. L'outil Autolist2 ne semble proposer qu'une seule catégorie WP alors qu'il faudrait d'abord passer un catscan pour limiter le résultat. Comment faire ? merci d'avance, Wangfo (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Merci pour le tuyau. J'ai fait ma Pagelist avec catscan et j'ai obtenu le 783 mais manifestement, autolist2 ne le comprends pas et me rend toute ma Pagelist en résultat mais en Qundefined [2]. Tant pis. Wangfo (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Merci du message. Je m'en suis sorti avec la catégorie Page utilisant P569 (affichant un vilain message d'erreur en rouge) et qui permet de rester entièrement dans catscan. Wangfo (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Qualifiers for Wikidata property example (P1855) in position played on team / speciality (P413)[edit]

I changed the qualifiers to no label (P1859), because using position played on team / speciality (P413) in combination with Wikidata property example (P1855) you generate a constraint violation for P1855. Mbch331 (talk) 09:46, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Naomi Mata'afa[edit]

Bonjour. Vous avez restauré Apia comme lieu de naissance pour Naomi Mata'afa dans Wikidata, ici. Pouvez-vous me préciser votre source pour cette information ? J'ai cherché, mais je ne trouve aucune source indiquant son lieu de naissance. En l'absence de toute référence, j'avais donc retiré cette 'information' potentiellement trompeuse. Aridd (talk) 11:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

OK. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


narrator (P2438) is ready. Mbch331 (talk) 11:50, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Re: GeneaBot[edit]

Bonjour. GeneaBot pourrait-il faire ce genre de modification dans les libellés en français où elle est nécessaire ? Thierry Caro (talk) 20:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Je ne sais déjà pas le faire manuellement, donc je ne vois pas comment dresser mon bot pour qu'il le fasse. Cordialement --Odejea (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
J'ai essayé de voir comment est la chaîne de caractère, mais mon script plante pour une erreur UniEncode --Odejea (talk) 21:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
OK. Merci néanmoins pour la tentative ! Thierry Caro (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

religion (P140): Catholicism (Q1841) => Catholic Church (Q9592) => Christianity (Q5043)[edit]

I remember there was a discussion to use Catholic Church (Q9592) instead of Catholicism (Q1841), but why do you change them to more generic Christianity (Q5043)? --Ghuron (talk) 04:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I change to Christianity (Q5043) when the person is born before 1420, which means much before Catholicism (Q1841) emerges as the opposite of Protestantism (Q23540). Thierry Caro (talk) 04:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I can see your point, but East-West Schism (Q51648) was earlier. I have no opinion on filling religion (P140), I just want to have simple and consistent rules here, because sometimes I create articles about catholic cardinals --Ghuron (talk) 05:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't know which should be the specific time limit but for the moment I am doing this massive change to prevent Catholicism (Q1841) showing in the Infobox of early Christians. I agree that there should be a consistent discussion about all this though. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I think the discussion should come first, then the changes. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
@Jc3s5h, Ghuron: please see Property talk:P140. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
I propose to use Christianity (Q5043) only for pre-1054 people. After East-West Schism (Q51648) there can be orthodox and catholic branches. --Infovarius (talk) 08:50, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
OK. So this we all agree on then. What remains to be settled is what happens after this date. Should we, through this property, store religions, churches or both? Thierry Caro (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Personally I can't prefer religion or church. It may depends on availability of information, which I don't know. May be, Jc3s5h or Ghuron have some opinions? --Infovarius (talk) 21:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Scoville grade (P2658)[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro,

The above is now available, please make good use of it.
--- Jura 08:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

topographic isolation (P2659)[edit]

Hi, the property you proposed and Pasleim supported is now available, please make good use of it.
--- Jura 09:26, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

sectional view (P2713)[edit]

Hi, the property is now created. Please make good use of it.
--- Jura 13:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

typeface/font (P2739)[edit]

Please make good use of it.
--- Jura 11:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Vladimir the Great[edit]


He was born NOT in Kiev, see for example en:Vladimir the Great; and please fix it in FR-wiki. -- Lazarillo (talk) 10:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Loan only in football?[edit]

Dear Thierry,

you entered "sport:football" to the loan item. Nevertheless, loans are common in dozens of other sports, too. Is it correct to have only football there, to add other sports - or remove it? Thanks. --Okino (talk) 10:09, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Okino: Either way will do. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Visa d'exploitation[edit]

Bonjour Thierry,

Comme tu l'as vu, les propriétés exploitation visa number (P2755) et CNC film rating (France) (P2758) sont liées. Si on a comme identifiant externe le visa d'exploitation, penses-tu qu'un robot puisse automatiquement récupérer la mention pour ajouter CNC film rating (France) (P2758) ? Mais d'abord, pour ajouter les visas d'exploitation, comment vas-tu procéder ? Y a-t-il moyen d'automatiser cela avec un robot, ou de le faire semi-manuellement avec Mix'n'match par exemple ?

--Tubezlob (🙋) 15:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi Thierry Caro,

I was wondering if you would consider supporting the two proposals as is. The approach seems much easier for Wikivoyage and I don't think the properties have a use beyond their needs.

BTW, shall we start Wikidata:WikiProject Time?
--- Jura 04:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you think?
--- Jura 06:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


Hi, Thierry Caro! I wonder if you can externally source Barcelona (Q1492) as the death place of Raymond Carr (Q3179517). I think that is a wiki-misreading of sources telling something in the likes of "Paul Preston (Q898722) announced in Barcelona that Raymond Carr (Q3179517) died yesterday", so editors conclude Raymond Carr (Q3179517) was with Paul Preston (Q898722) when the former died in Barcelona (Q1492). I am convinced the slander has propagated somewhere so you might find a source actually telling so (although Encyclopædia Britannica (Q455) thinks otherwise ([3]]), but please, the source first. Best regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 22:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Asqueladd:. Like Jon Snow, I know nothing. I mean, nothing about this specific person. I just imported data from the French Wikipedia, where his article is inside fr:Catégorie:Décès à Barcelone. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


I see you adding many informtion on olympic athlete, please consider to add an information source like I make on Q17403524 Bye --Rippitippi (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

sport (P641) --> rowing (Q159354) unnecessary[edit]

Hey Thierry Caro, I just saw you adding statements sport (P641)  rowing (Q159354) to many rowing athletes, and want to let you know that this is no longer the way how persons are related to a sport. All of them without any exception have already occupation (P106)  rower (Q13382576) set, which is much more specific (see also User talk:Thierry Caro#P641, a topic on this page from last year). Please stop adding, and please also remove these P641 statements again. Thanks and regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

OK. But the conversation was unconclusive, seriously. This needs a much better debate. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I also raised attention for this problem on P641’s talk page (here) last year. I had the impression that this is clear since at least last winter. However, just revert these edit and we’re fine, and you also know in future which property to use for sports persons… Regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 20:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

You should restart a debate. This is not clear. You are the only person in those discussions supporting your move. sport (P641) is on a lot of items about people. I will follow what the debate decides. Till then... Thierry Caro (talk) 21:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with that view, and removed these statements by myself now using Autolist. —MisterSynergy (talk) 05:31, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy:. I don't get it. You opened two sections and only one person answered, and did so to oppose your move. And now you are coming here to have me change the way I do. Please open a serious debate with all the people interested in sports and I'll happily take part in. I agree that there should be some discussion to make things clearer regarding this property. But for the moment there is absolutely no rule and you are just destroying content and the work that brought it here, in my humble opinion. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:52, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I raised attention on WD:PC for that discussion. Let’s see what happens. —MisterSynergy (talk) 06:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


You're flooding the recent changes. You may want to request a flood flag before doing such a large amount of edits so quickly. --Yair rand (talk) 04:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

OK. I have slowed down things. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Naissance en France[edit]


J'ai posté récemment sur Wikidata talk:WikiProject France des requêtes pour nettoyer les déclarations du type place of birth (P19) = France (Q142) (et évidemment les remplacer par des déclarations plus précises et sauf exceptions). Quelques jours plus tard, je vois que non seulement le nombre n'a pas baissé mais qu'il a augmenté, en partie de ton fait. Je suis tombé sur Special:Diff/383632787 et je ne sais pas trop quoi en penser et encore moins en faire, du coup je veux bien ton avis sur la question. Déjà, dans le cas spécifique de cet élément et sur la traçabilité de cette information, je ne vois rien dans l'article de la wikipédia en français qui indique qu'il soit né en France. Ensuite dans un cas plus général, quand bien même ce serait le cas, est-ce une vraiment bonne idée de mettre une information aussi vague que place of birth (P19) = France (Q142) ? (en gros, est-ce que je me prends la tête pour rien ? Face-wink.svg)

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:16, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

C'est dans l'article de Wikipédia mais l'Infobox ne l'affiche pas, sans doute parce qu'il n'y a pas de date de naissance avec. D'une façon générale, bien sûr qu'il faut aller au plus précis. Mais si le plus précis est le pays, il n'y a pas de raison de faire exception. C'est d'un intérêt limité pour qui s'intéresse au personnage mais pas pour celui qui fera une requête pour étudier les mobilités en Europe, par exemple. Thierry Caro (talk) 08:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Ahmed Cherif[edit]

Hi. I hope you don't mind if I talk to you in English. Mon français est très mauvais. The French Wikipedia entry for fr:Ahmed Cherif was vandalized a while ago. I've been tracking a vandal at en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Aliabbashiraqi79 for months. You can't really trust any birth date on Wikipedia for Middle Eastern people because this cross-wiki vandal has been changing them. I revert him when I see him, but I miss a lot of it. So, sometimes Wikidata gets vandalized data from English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, or Arabic Wikipedia. For this reason, it's best not to import data from Wikipedia into Wikidata. Use reliable sources, like books or newspapers or whatever. Too much of Wikipedia has been vandalized. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

OK. But one guy shouldn't stop us. Just fight him back, not other quiet contributors! Whatever, I understand that this is complicated. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

has part vs. member of[edit]

Hi, i found that for multiple German singers you have added has part (P527) instead of member of (P463). Please try to find all instances of this error and fix it. Thanks. --Jklamo (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

This comes from a confusion on the French Wikipedia. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
OK. Done. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:04, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks.--Jklamo (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Photomaton / photo booth (Q494312)[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro, in nearly all languages Q494312 is a general class of machines doing photos, but maybe the French entry goes to a special company producing (operating?) such machines. Therefore, it might be better to make a new(?) Q for the company, and set the webpage (your last edit) to that new one? -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 06:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I just deleted the website. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:36, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


Thierry, I see that on Elko Mountain (Q19880410)‎ you created the claim part of (P361) Elko Hills (Q5364360). Shouldn't mountain (Q8502) be located on terrain feature (P706) mountain range (Q46831), rather than part of (P361)? Best, Runner1928 (talk) 18:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually, we need a new property for mountain ranges. But people are going to oppose. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:40, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
For the moment, as there is no such property, I guess we have to use both properties. A mountain is a part of a range and is in that range. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

no label (Q24515379)[edit]

Can you explain the use of this item? It isn't clear for me. Is a "Category" but isn't used like a category. If it is no longer useful, we can delete? --ValterVB (talk) 16:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

This is a tracking category for the property P632. Every time it is used on a Wikipedia page this page falls in the category. This one can be deleted as there is no such category created on the French Wikipedia, nor elsewhere. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Deleted, thanks. --ValterVB (talk) 16:54, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

P264 on films[edit]

Hey, You added record label (P264) to a bunch of film items (like Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Q54274), The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Q80379), Star Trek Into Darkness (Q171711) and Ocean's Eleven (Q205447), just to name a few from my watchlist). This does not seem right, these statements belong on the soundtrack items. – Máté (talk) 04:18, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

This should not happen, as they are not a musical work (Q2188189), as defined in constraints for the property. Whatever, I am deleting the claims. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
OK. Done. Thanks for the message. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Flags of the districts of Israel[edit]


You added flags to the districts of Israel. They have nothing to do with the districts (which do not have flags). Somew of them have nothing to do with Israel altogether. Other are flags of Israeli Rail etc. Why did you do it?!

I removed the flags. Have you done other things like that? Eman (talk) 11:36, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

They have been imported from the Spanish Wikipedia. If there is a mistake, you should let a message there so that they too can get rid of it. As for me, I unfortunately know nothing about them. I just imported the data. Sorry if there is any trouble. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I will try to see why they had this mistake. But next time try to be more carefull. If such a thing appear in Spanish Wikipedia but not in the Hebrew one, it should be suspecious, and it is better to ask people in the Hebrew one. Eman (talk) 14:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I suppose the general rule is: you should know about the data you import. --Infovarius (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Ksenia Sitnik[edit]

Hello. I deleted genre "teen-pop" because there is no source for it. --SkоrP24 15:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)


Hi, what is Q23764314, and how is it different from Q1076486? Thx! --Yurik (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Yurik:. They are different in that a sports venue (Q1076486) is a placed dedicated to sports (and usually built for sports), while a sports ground (Q23764314) might well be, for instance, a natural site with almost no built equipment that happens to be used for sports. For example, a beach where people tend to practice Land sailing (Q977003) is a sports ground (Q23764314) but not a sports venue (Q1076486). Thierry Caro (talk) 08:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: thanks! Could you add this to the item description? --Yurik (talk) 08:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata property related to art (Q27918607)[edit]

I wonder if this is too broad or that we need more specific properties. Let's see how this works out. In case you're looking for relevant properties, see Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure, [4] and [5] Multichill (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

OK. Thank you. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:12, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Aire protégée au Canada[edit]

Bon, je ne suis pas tout à fait certain que ça peut faire un ID, mais que pense tu de cela? ça récence toutes les aire protégées du Canada. Pour les numéros voir [6]. Mais bon, je ne suis pas certain de la mise à jour, ni de la stabilité de cette base. Sur un tout autre sujet, comme on crée un Mix n' Match, j'aimerais bien en avoir un pour Banque de noms de lieux du Québec ID (P2100) (Tous les toponyme du Québec, rues comprissent.) --Fralambert (talk) 02:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@Fralambert: Vu qu'il y a 8049 aires protégées dans cette liste, je ne vois pas pourquoi ceci ne donnerait pas lieu à la création d'une propriété. Je me suis donc attelé à la création d'un catalogue Mix'n'match dédié, que tu trouveras ici. Tu peux déjà associer les pages les unes aux autres : si une propriété devait être créée, ce serait facile d'importer tous les identifiants depuis Mix'n'match ensuite. Pour ce qui est de Banque de noms de lieux du Québec ID (P2100), si le site lié peut afficher de lui-même une liste ou une série restreinte de tous les éléments inclus dans la base, ce sera possible de créer un catalogue. Autrement, je ne pourrais pas, mais tout ne sera pas perdu pour autant. Quelqu'un plus calé que moi, maîtrisant les API, pourrait peut-être encore se débrouiller pour extraire du contenu. Thierry Caro (talk) 03:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
J'ai trouvé ceci pour les toponymes et ce deuxième bases pour les odonymes (Mais c'est le même ID au final) Le seul problème que je vois est que les toponymes sont sous la forme "Saint-Maurice, rivière" dans la base. --Fralambert (talk) 03:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Oui, ça se fait facilement. Demain ou après-demain au pire. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
@Fralambert: OK. Tu peux utiliser le catalogue 306, appelé BNL Québec. Les autres (303 et 304) sont pourris, incomplets et à oublier : ils vont être supprimés. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Ça semble bien marché, une simple question, les bureaux de poste, je met ça "pas sur Wikidata"? J'ésite un peu pour ce type de toponyme. --Fralambert (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
'Pas sur Wikidata' débouche parfois sur la création de l'élément. Je laisserais en plan. On ne sait pas jusqu'où on ira dans cinq ans. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

exception to constraint (P2303)[edit]

In Special:Diff/398196072 you used exception to constraint (P2303) which is for defining constraints on properties. Did you mean excluding (P1011)? - Nikki (talk) 13:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nikki: Probably, yes. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Auto-référence de groupe de musique[edit]


Je surveille régulièrement les liens autoréférents, et là je viens de tomber sur toute une série de liens que tu as ajouté sur des groupes de musiques, exemple Special:Diff/392498593. J'ai commencé à annulé quand je me suis rendu compte qu'il y en a plus d'une centaine. Du coup j'ai un doute, est-ce volontaire ou bien est-ce une erreur en série ?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: C'est une erreur en série. J'ai importé ce qui était une redirection dans l'article sans y faire assez attention. Merci. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Arf, zut, fichtre.
Du coup, est-ce que peux te demander de les retirer ?
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
	?item wdt:P527 ?item .
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr" }
Try it!
Cette requête m'en renvoie 321... Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: Pas de problème. Par contre, je pense qu'une seule ligne de plus à ta commande isolerait les éléments qui n'ont qu'une seule déclaration sur has part (P527), rendant le retrait automatique très facile. Si tu sais faire, fais-moi signe. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Pas très compliqué mais cela requiert un peu plus d'une ligne :
SELECT ?valueLabel (COUNT(?item) AS ?count)
	?item wdt:P527 ?item ; wdt:P527 ?value.
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr". }
GROUP BY ?valueLabel
Try it!
Il n'y avait que 3 résultats avec plus d'une valeur, je viens de les nettoyer à la main, je te laisse tout le reste ;) Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:24, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
OK. Fait. Comme tu l'auras deviné, ça vient du fait que j'ai aspiré les membres depuis les Infobox des articles sur les groupes. Mais on y trouve souvent des liens rouges pour ces membres, liens qui, avec le temps, sont transformés en redirections vers l'article sur le groupe, créant une boucle que ni Harvest Templates ni moi n'avons détecté ou supposé. Merci pour tout. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: et puis, comme j'ai un doute sur le fait que tu le saches, on peut mettre la requête dans le champ SPARQL de l'onglet Other sources de PetScan. Ensuite, il ne reste qu'à mettre -P527 dans la boîte qui apparaît et à lancer. Si tu savais, pense bien que je ne te dis pas ça pour suggérer que ce n'était pas à moi de le faire. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Je connais PetScan mais je ne le maîtrise pas vraiment. Surtout par manque d'utilisations, j'utilise très rarement Others source avec une requête SPARQL et un peu plus souvent la boîte pour ajouter des données mais je n'ai jamais utilisée pour retirer des données sans connaître la valeur, je pensais qu'il fallait forcément avoir une valeur -P31:Q5 et pas juste -P31. C'est pourtant explicitement écrit mais je n'y avais pas fait attention donc merci beaucoup de l'info !
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

BNL Québec[edit]

Hi Thierry, a while ago you uploaded the "BNL Québec" catalog to Mix'n'match. I had a little accident, and many of the labels there have been lost. Do you by any change still have the file you uploaded, and could you get me a copy? Thanks, Magnus Manske (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

@Magnus Manske: No, I don't have the exact file anymore. I combined this and that though. Can you work with them? Thierry Caro (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that did the trick! --Magnus Manske (talk) 10:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Please check property talk pages before mass importing data[edit]

Please see my post on the above. Keep up the good work! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Identifiant Institut für Angewandte Trainingswissenschaft d'un lutteur[edit]

Bonjour, J'ai vu que tu t'occupais du modèle Bases sport sur Wikipédia en français où j'ai notamment vu ces propriétés Property:P2778, Property:P2779 et Property:P2780. Je n'y connais pas grand chose en création de propriété, mais serait-il possible de faire de même pour les lutteurs ? (Par exemple, pour l'article Valerou Bularca que j'ai créé dernièrement (Q138024). Merci, --Rashinseita (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Rashinseita: Cette propriété existe déjà sous le nom de United World Wrestling ID (P2727), laquelle est déjà dans Template:Sports links (Q22674492). Il suffit donc de mettre *{{Bases sport}} au pied de la page Valeriu Bularca. Par contre je vais changer l'intitulé du lien généré, qui est trompeur. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
En effet, je ne l'avais pas vu. Merci ! --Rashinseita (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

It would be really cool if you were able to use edit summaries a little more, your string of edits in Wikidata:Property proposal/Person would give a little better idea of what is happening without having to open the page. thanks for your consideration.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Importing values from IPA template for Kirshenbaum[edit]

The EnWiki template 'Infobox IPA' has values for Kirshenbaum (P3625). I'm not proficient with the way we import data from Wikipedia templates and I think the person who proposed the property isn't very familiar either. Can you import that data that EnWiki hosts into the property? ChristianKl (talk) 07:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

@ChristianKl: ✓ Done. Has to be checked by someone who knows what we are talking about, if I may say. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Speed Skating properties[edit]

Hello Thierry Caro. Thanks for suggesting these 3 properties : ShorttrackOnLine speed skater ID (P3693), speed skater ID (P3694) and SpeedSkatingStats speed skater ID (P3695). I left a short comment at the last ones talk page. And I also know that the speed skater ID (P3694)-website has changed its urls at least 2 times. Best regards Migrant (talk) 12:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello again Thierry Caro. On Norwegian Wikipedia (NO:WP) there is a some use of these two speed skating ID's but the external link templates (Speedskatingnews at NO:WP and SpeedSkatingStats at NO:WP) have a split-word for type of ID regarding whether it is for a speed skater or a speed skating competition or a speed skating track. So how can we use PLtools harvest tool for these ID's ? BTW, we also have the external link template ShorttrackOnLine. Since I am not that familiar with those harvesting tools or queries for uploading IDs too wikidata, so hopefully you can help with that. Best regards Migrant (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
@Migrant: ✓ Done. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Migrant (talk) 00:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Greek Football League2 Teams[edit]

I suppose in french wikipedia is needed an update in teams participating in 3rd tier (Gamma Ethniki or Football League2) . The 3 last teams u added these 2 days are relegated couple years ago and now play in Local Championships (Paniliakos Q2661174, Thermaikos Q3031940, Makedonikos Q3353427) trying to get back up :) --Drspiros (talk) 10:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Drspiros: Thank you very much for this. Don't hesitate to update the data from these items, or remove it if needed. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


In the Wikidata:WikiProject Mountains page I created, I mostly tried to describe the existing data representation, based on what I saw in the existing items.

I see you changed all uses of part of (P361) to located on terrain feature (P706) in the project page, but most of the items do use part of (P361), so the examples given are now meaningless and we risk having different ways of representing the same information. I don't care much about which property to use, but the most important is to be consistent and use the same everywhere. Do you plan to use a bot to transfer the existing part of (P361) to located on terrain feature (P706) ? Koxinga (talk) 18:26, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Koxinga:. A few months ago, I was in favour of having both on any item, but now I prefer located on terrain feature (P706) only. No bot is clearly planned for the moment. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:33, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Property documentation[edit]

I've added {{Property documentation}} to Property talk:P3765; please remember to do so for other properties you create. Cheers, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

ID to a web that the data is shown only after payment[edit]

Bonjour Thierry. Do wikidata have a policy to not add properties to web that you need to pay to see the data. an example ID (P3527). If it was any discussion about it, can you give the a link to there? thank you, - yona b (talk) 08:58, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

@יונה בנדלאק: We can have any kind of property, even IDs that don't have any URL associated to them. So of course we can create ones that are connected to a paid website. ID (P3527) is even better, as it does provide some basic information for free. The thing is that it is probably more complicated to have people support a proposal when they have no actual access on the data they are voting for. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Wrong ID[edit]

Hi, regarding edits like this, I think there is a misunderstanding. You are importing the manga ID from the Italian Wikipedia instead of the anime ID. I'm contacting you because I've noticed you have done the same mistake on some other items as well. Hope I was useful--Sakretsu (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sakretsu: There is a lot of work to be done to distinguish animes from mangas on Wikipedias so the import brought this mess here, unfortunately. On the other hand, it's probably easier to deal with the confusion here than on individual Wikipedias. So all in all I hope this was helpful whatever! Thierry Caro (talk) 13:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


Salut, Je me demandais par rapport à Banque de noms de lieux du Québec ID (P2100) a quelle fréquence se serait bien de mettre à jour le mix'n'match. La Banque des noms des lieux du Québec a été mis à jour au moins deux fois depuis que ça a été créée. Note que je ne suis pas sur que l'on devrait importer avec les odonymes cette fois-ci, à moins que quelqu'un désirerait créer tous les odonymes d'un coup. --Fralambert (talk) 02:19, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Fralambert: Il faut voir de quel type de mise à jour il s'agit. Les identifiants d'un lieu donné ont-ils changé ? Y a-t-il de nouveaux lieux et donc identifiants dans la base ? Ou bien est-ce seulement le contenu pour chaque identifiant qui a été développé ? Dans les deux premiers cas on peut sans doute importer la nouvelle version, oui. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:45, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Il s'agit d'ajout et de retrait de toponymes (Ce qu'ils font 4 à 6 fois par années). Comme exemple, les changements du 3 mars dernier. --Fralambert (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
@Fralambert: J'allais me pencher sur ça mais je viens de penser qu'une bonne pratique serait de conserver le même numéro de catalogue malgré les changements de version dans lesquels on s'engage. Et pour faire ça il faut que tu t'adresses à celui qui gère Mix'n'match : il faut lui demander de supprimer toute l'ancienne version et de mettre la nouvelle à la place. Note que suite à un problème technique il était déjà intervenu sur ce catalogue en particulier et l'avait lui-même uploadé à nouveau, comme tu peux le voir plus haut sur cette page. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done [7] --Fralambert (talk) 02:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

P3330 should be deleted?[edit]


You proposed ID (P3330) and now the site has this announcment:

Dear visitor,

After 18 years the time has come to say goodbye to It was a long and very nice ride and we hope you enjoyed it as much as we did.

All the best!

The Supermodels Team

I sadly recommend we delete the property, DGtal (talk) 07:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@DGtal: I've noticed this. That's why I have removed the external link formatting. I suggest we wait till the site is really down. As long as the message is there, someone might show up and, who knows, start that website again. If the message stays more than one year, we will delete the property whatever. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
OK. I suggest you add a note about this in Property talk:P3330. Good day, DGtal (talk) 06:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Format de journal[edit]

Bonjour Thierry, tout d'abord merci pour ton gros travail de mise en forme des propriétés qui sont créées Face-smile.svg Ma question maintenant, dans Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Q10184) tu as ajouté le format de journal mais l'élément utilisé (newspaper format (Q187051)) ne me semble pas correct étant donné qu'il s'agit d'un élément général. Tu pourrais regarder ça ? Merci d'avance. Pamputt (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Bon, en fait je suis en train de faire le ménage à partir de Wikidata:Lists/newspapers by format. Une question me vient alors. Est ce que cette propriété s'adresse uniquement aux journaux papiers ou peut-elle être étendue au magazine, au site web, de livre, ... ? C'est en tout cas ce que fait ressortir cette liste. Pamputt (talk) 17:12, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@Pamputt: c'est par définition le format pour les journaux imprimés sur papier. Il nous faudrait d'ailleurs un élément pour le demi-berlinois. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Template talk:Property proposal[edit]

There are several open requests on Template talk:Property proposal. Can you assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


Where is your flood-flag?? You've ruined my watchlist... --Infovarius (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Mmmh. I may stop if needed. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. I have slowed down the imports. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, it probably helps. But for total edits one should use bot or flood flag. --Infovarius (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

P4024 (2)[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro,

I see you are adding ADW ID's. You should note that the intent in adding such ID's should be to add them to the matching taxon name. So "Aquila_clanga" should be added to the item Aquila clanga. I see that instead of doing that, you have added "Aquila_clanga" to the item Clanga clanga for the third time. And this is only one of some half dozen such cases. - Brya (talk) 10:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

There are many more problems, but for the moment this is the import phase and that's why what you have deleted has been imported again. Just give me two more days and we will be able to tackle the different issues without conflicting edits. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:56, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The import is finished now. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

import from "raw link"[edit]

Hi Thierry, do you have a tool to import data to an identifier from a link and not only from a template? for example we found 31 link in He-wikipedia to myspace (P3265) that are not in Wikidata you can see a list in he:שיחת תבנית:Allmusic/הוספה לוויקינתונים#myspace. In all those cases, in the article the link is direct URL and not via a template. - yona b (talk) 05:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@יונה בנדלאק: There is no specialized tool that I know of. But using a few of the existing ones I am still able, following a procedure I have developped over time, to extract the external links of a Wikipedia and turn them into external IDs on Wikidata. This process takes about 20 to 30 minutes to deal with so if what is stored on Wikipedia has less than 50 entries it's better to deal with it by hand, I guess. If you what you wanted to extract contained 500 external IDs or something then I'd be OK to take care of it. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
For now we handle those cases by: (I) creating a temporary template, (II) running a bot that change the URL to the temporary template, (III) export to wikidata by this tool, (IV) bot remove the temporary template (we use templates that contain a lot of identifier like w:he:תבנית:מידע טקסונומי for taxonomic databses, so we don't need the template for one website).
Like you, we do that when we have 50 entries or more. so i wondered if you have a better way, if you think your way is faster i will be glade to hear it. - yona b (talk) 14:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
@יונה בנדלאק: Let's say I want to extract the IDs for the new EspritBleu athlete ID (P4050) property from the external links pointing to the matching database already on the French Wikipedia. Let's say those links are not formatted through a dedicated template. They are just URLs that have been put there by hand and thus they cannot be harvested through HarvestTemplate. I'll go to the French version of Special:LinkSearch and fill the form with the the URL pattern, which will give me this. I'll copy the lines and paste them in an Excel-like program. I'll remove the now unnecessary text through Ctrl+H – here and the text between the URL and the article name, in French est lié depuis. I'll then cut the columns in two using an Excel button called 'Convertir' in French (in the 'Data' section). Once I have two columns, one for the IDs and one for the titles of the articles, I'll check for doubles using the in-built Excel function that highlights repeats. I'll also get rid of talk pages (looking for : in my file) so that the file eventually countains only actual IDs and titles. Then I'll use PetScan (the 'Manual list' form in the 'Other sources' section) to check, for instance, if my articles all really point to actual people (using, in my example, the 'Uses items/props' of the 'Wikidata' section with human (Q5)). Once I am sure the file is clean with what only I want, I go to PagePile and uploads the titles column of my file, asking it to convert this to Wikidata in the process. The results let me copy and paste the corresponding Qs of Wikidata items in a new column in my file. I can now get rid of the titles, add a column for the property (here put P4050 everywhere) and import the IDs to Wikidata through Quickstatements, possibly with two more columns always set to S143 and Q8447 to make sure I also import the origin of the data I'm about adding. All this is quite unprofessional but it works and it's not bad for someone who cannot program a bot. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Thierry, I am working closely with Yona. Would it help if I tell you all the links are ALWAYS under External Links, or in Hebrew ==קישורים חיצוניים==? that way you search for the specific link under a limited amount of lies started by a bullet. בורה בורה (talk) 15:06, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
As I said, I'm not running a bot so the Wikipedia section where the URLs are stored does not matter to me. What I use is the in-built Special:LinkSearch of Wikipedia, which collects all the links (starting in the same manner) wherever they are in their article. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
thank you thierry for the description. I like your way and maybe i will try it one time to see how it is. like User:בורה בורה write, we use bot and we remove noise by looking only the external link section. but maybe we can use the bot for the first part you described and train the bot to give a list like Special:LinkSearch give or in table divide by two, like you do in excel. and then use PetScan and Quickstatement. - yona b (talk) 05:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Thierry, just so you know, you don't need to convert the articles titles into wikidata item using Petscan. If you go to Quickstatements you have "First column are articles from__", if you fill in "frwiki", it will convert all the items in the first column into their items.--Mikey641 (talk) 07:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
@Mikey641, יונה בנדלאק, Migrant: Thank you. I didn't know about this trick. I have just imported IDs from both the English and the French Wikipedias on Canadian Olympic Committee athlete ID (P4054) using it and it all went well. So actually I will now skip the PagePile part of my previous method to go even faster. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
happy to help!--Mikey641 (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Création d'identifiant[edit]


Comme tu as superbement créé le modèle Bases sport sur WP:FR (encore merci merci merci !) en créant des identifiant As & MotoGP, peux-tu te charger de créer une propriété pour WorldSBK s'il te plait ? à partir de

Merci d'avance,

Bien amicalement. --Indeed [knock-knock] 08:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Indeed: OK. Thierry Caro (talk) 08:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
C'est Wikidata:Property proposal/ ID. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Super. Quand ce sera créé, pourras-tu le rajouter à Bases sport stp ? Merci. --Indeed [knock-knock] 09:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
@Indeed: OK. Pour aider, peux-tu voter *{{s}} ~~~~ dans la section « Discussion » de lWikidata:Property proposal/ ID ? Cela nous garantira au moins un vote positif ; ceux-ci sont rares en ces temps actuels. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

GNIS IDs[edit]

It seems you imported loads of GNIS IDs from Wikipedia a couple of months ago. Did you do any checks before importing? You've added them to illogical things like people and disambiguation pages (please fix them). If you've assumed that mentioning GNIS anywhere on a page means that's the GNIS ID, then the entire batch needs checking. Did you make sure to not re-add ones which have previously been removed or changed? - Nikki (talk) 18:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I can't remember which way I used to import these IDs. There are probably errors in there, indeed, because, well, there are always errors! I'll have a look at what I can easily correct. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

P210 vs. P3975[edit]

Hi, I saw your edit and I rollbacked it because the information is already present with the correct property (party chief representative (P210), not secretary general (P3975), as you did). Check your edits and eventually rollback wrong edits. Thank you very much, --★ → Airon 90 08:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

identifiant Fédération internationale de canoë pour le slalom[edit]


Lors de mes pérégrinations wikipédesques, je suis arrivée à chercher un ICF canoer ID (P3689) pour Thomas Koechlin (Q30306213), et je me suis aperçue que le "format de l'url" était faux (le site a du être refondu ?).

Bref, pourrais tu jeter un œil et corriger, je crois que cela doit donner ça : pour l'url et ça : /thomas-koechlin pour l'identifiant.

Merci de ton aide. Amicalement. --Indeed [knock-knock] 10:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

@Indeed:. Effectivement. J'ai mis à jour ICF canoer ID (P3689) : la partie fixe de l'URL est désormais Il me semble que no label (P3688) ne sert plus à rien. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Merci pour la modif. en ce qui concerne no label (P3688) (qui ne fonctionne plus), il semble que les fiches athlètes (pour la partie "en ligne") aient complètement disparues. Peut être qu'il faut un peu attendre et que ça va revenir en ligne ? Amicalement. --Indeed [knock-knock] 14:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
En fait les deux identifiants ont été fusionnés en un seul. Les nouveaux identifiants des deux sportifs en exemple sur no label (P3688) peuvent être trouvés en cherchant sous un autre nom de famille. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Video game sports[edit]

Did you add sport (P641) to hundreds of items about video games back in August 2015. P641 is for "sport in which the entity participates or belongs to", not just any generically associated sport. I'm pretty sure those are supposed to use genre (P136), or a similar property. Could you please revert your additions? --Yair rand (talk) 20:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

The extent of sport (P641) - and whether it should exist eventually - is quite unclear so far so I guess we should probably restrain from adding or removing claims made through property for the moment. Otherwise the intervention you suggest would be quite simple through PetScan for instance. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:59, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Ulla fyr and Bastø fyr[edit]

Hello! With reference to your Bastøy fyr Bastøy Lighthouse (Q4575753)); Property:service entry (P729): 1986 with reference from English wikipedia not correct. The lighthouse was closed down in 1986. Please also check Ulla fyr (Q908222) for service entry (P729). Breg. --Pmt (talk) 10:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Can you please stop adding property service entry (P729) to Norwegian lighthouses. THEY ARE NOT CORRECT. Best regards Pmt (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

The problem comes from the fact that the English Infobox sometimes covers multiple lighthouses at a time. I am going to need your help to find the incorrect data, as I am not, of course, an actual specialist of Norwegian lighthouses. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I understand. Of course I can help you, whath do you want me to do?. I do not have all Norwegian lighthouses on my watchlist, so it not so easy for me to see when a change is done. Best regardsPmt (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I was – and still am – trying to enhance all our items about lighthouses by importing as much data as is available on the main Wikipedias. So I did modify other items about lights of Norway, yes. Here you can find which. Technically it should be OK most of the time but some might contain errors just like the ones you pointed to. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2017 (UTC)