User talk:Thierry Caro

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Best regards! --Stryn (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)



Hello, Thierry Caro! I am just letting you know that I have added the autopatroller flag to your account, as you are a trusted user on Wikidata. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me or leave a message at the Project chat. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 07:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

P360 "Is a list of"[edit]

A better way to code "List of Presidents of France" is to use P360 = Q5 (human) with the qualifier position held (P39) = president of the French Republic (Q191954).

This allows programs, eg Reasonator, to automatically create a list of items that match the criteria -- eg List of women engineers, which can then be compared to the list on the wiki page in any particular language.

So I think your example, the way you have added it, is not good guidance to people on how to use this property. Jheald (talk) 20:11, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, did you read Property talk:P641? --Stryn (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I was referring to the section "How should we use this property?". There have been discussions in the past how should we use P641, for example User_talk:Stryn/Archive_4#Addition_of_P641_to_players.27_entries. --Stryn (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect: gaelic games - P641[edit]

Q2447366 isn't Property:P641 - it is class of sports, which includes Q204632, Q213711 and others. It's like write Property:P641 - Q204686. NBS (talk) 19:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Q53121 vs Q2215841[edit]

I see that you're adding Q53121 to a lot of people as a sport (P641), that isn't a sport (P641). The sport (P641) version is Q2215841. Mbch331 (talk) 19:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks! But then we need to change a few things on Q53121 because it is misleading! Thierry Caro (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Of the 4 languages I see on that page (NL,EN,DE,FR) only FR talks about sports, the others don't. Since I'm fr-1, I'm not changing the description. Mbch331 (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I have Italian and they said 'sport' too. Whatever, maybe can you help me to sort portals? fr:Portail:Bicyclette is for the activity and fr:Portail:Cyclisme for the sport. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Not tonight. I'm getting a bit tired. I'll see if I have time tomorrow. Mbch331 (talk) 19:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

dessinateur de bande dessinée[edit]

bonsoir. J'ai un peu de mal avec cette catégorie, sous classe de dessinateur mais dessinateur n'est pas composé de dessinateur de bandes dessinées alors qu'il est composé de auteur de bandes dessinées. J'ai l'impression que dessinateur devrait être composé plutôt de dessinateur de bandes dessinées que d'auteur de bandes dessinés. De plus, il manque le féminin dessinatrice de bandes dessinées et je ne sais pas comment le rajouter. Merci de ton aide. Jmax (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Merci bien mais de fait, je ne n'ai pas dessinatrice de bande dessinée qui apparait pour une personne féminine. N'y aurait-il pas quelque chose avec un | ? Jmax (talk) 04:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
C'est normal, c'est le label de l'item (au masculin) qui apparait, mais on utilise le même item pour les deux sexes. Thibaut120094 (talk) 04:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi Thierry. You seem to misinterpret inception (P571). It is not about when a Wikidata property was created. This is not of general interest and could be obtained from the history if needed. In the case of element symbol (P246) for example, if at all, the date of creation might be given as 1813 in the corresponding item chemical symbol (Q102500). --Leyo 21:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

We will soon need this on the French Wikipedia, to track the new properties easily. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
That is not a sufficient reason. There are plenty of other ways to achieve this. --Leyo 21:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Hey! Who decides the sufficient reasons? This is just an awesome feature of properties and just ignore it if this is not useful to you, my friend. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata is not just there for Wikipedias. Inappripriate additions clog/hide useful information. Please remove the ones that have not yet been removed by Wikidata admin Andreasmperu (Special:Diff/251097630, Special:Diff/251089349, Special:Diff/251088604, Special:Diff/251087171, Special:Diff/251086172, Special:Diff/251086154, Special:Diff/247363231) yourself. --Leyo 22:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
No property has more than 4 or 5 properties. There is no issue, don't worry. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I actually do worry. It is very likely that this information is being misinterpreted. --Leyo 22:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I can see the use of inception (P571) for properties, but the the date for HMDB ID (P2057) and LIPID MAPS ID (P2063) is not the 13th of this month; they existed for much longer! I second the concerns of others that this is unintented use of inception (P571). Egon Willighagen (talk) 14:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Egon. You can free your mind. I take full responsibility of any disaster that may happen because of this! Seriously. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
You have a great sense of humor. Seriously. In this case, I don't. I ask you for the last time to remove these misleading additions. --Leyo 20:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Other properties like P31 are also used on properties. So I don't think they are more misleading than anything else here. But again, if somebody is mislead and this leads us all to some kind of drama, I'll take the entire responsibility. Till then, we can just relax and think that what is helpful or interesting to one may not be to someone else. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
This is not helpful or interesting. You are adding factually wrong things to items. It's like adding "color: red" to everything and then telling others to relax just because they don't think this would be useful. --2003:57:E67F:2501:ADC2:1E9C:96EA:78E5 21:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I would totally add 'red' on any property that is red. But none is. Every property has a inception (P571) so we can add this everywhere. Moreover, the target does not have to be an organization and you know that. So till someone comes showing me that this is a disaster or have a better reason against them, these properties should stay. People who may be confused by them can of course add qualifiers such as applies to part (P518) if they want to be very specific but this seems slightly useless to me since the property is very clear. Whatever, if it helps someone else, I won't fight it. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

« We will soon need this on the French Wikipedia » could you elabore why you *need* this and you can't get this information in an other and cleanier way ? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Tracking properties is quite difficult, whether here or on Wikipedia. So I try to fill them with more information so that eventually they'll become easier to find and use. On their page, I thus add inception (P571) but also Wikidata property example (P1855) and subject item of this property (P1629) when they are missing. I also add properties for this type (P1963) on the correct related item when needed. If there are other ways to make this, fine. I'll support any initiative that make properties easier to find and use but I don't think mine is breaking any rule, only some users' habits maybe. So this is why I am OK with taking all responsibility if somehow my way eventually destroys Wikidata - I really think there is absolutely nothing bad in what I do. Other users have used inception (P571) this way by the way. We are just helping Wikidata to get better and better. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It looks like a *want* more than a *need* but ok. How is inception (P571) helping you tracking properties? For properties like Wikidata property example (P1855) or subject item of this property (P1629) (and many others like subproperty of (P1647)), there is no problem and everybody understand the use but for inception (P571), I can't see any real use (and especially not with the Wikidata creation date of the page!). And even if this data is useful, there is plenty easy ways to find this data.
I think these claim are very very wrong. You mixing the property on Wikdata and the property. It's like adding the date of creation of an article on a item ; don't you see that <element symbol (P246)>inception (P571)<"7 March 2013" is as wrong as <chemical symbol (Q102500)>inception (P571)<"24 November 2012 ">? Neither of these two claims will « destroy Wikidata » but still, it's a very very bad idea. Other people may have use inception (P571) on properties and maybe on some property it's ok (for example maybe <Mérimée ID (P380)>inception (P571)<"1978" could be add - I'm not sure ; anyway, you cannot use inception (P571) with the date of creation of the Wikidata page) but they might be wrong too.
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
I really, really don't see the difficulty. Constraints, for example, can be slightly complicated. You have to sit 10 seconds to really understand that 'such property can have this value if this value has another property like this', etc. But here we have something like 'this property was created this date'. If someone does not understand that after 5 seconds, well, they are really not for Wikidata. Everyone here talking on my page actually understood everything in fact. So I don't know what we are talking about. Only suppositions. This is not a reason to withdraw data. And again, use qualifiers if you are really afraid of any possible difficulty. This is also what they are for. So you are fully equipped. I think this may be your solution. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata is built around properties that are supposed to have one consistent meaning. When things depart from that ideal, they become more difficult to document and maintain. That things remain clear for a human reader is not a sufficient criterion, it should be as easy as possible for dumb softwares as well.
I do not really see the need for putting a creation date on properties, but if there is one, creating a new "entity creation date" property is a simple, and much better solution. --Zolo (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Maybe. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:46, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
You misunderstand my analogy. Let's make it more explicit: "properties that are displayed as red in my browser". Is this a property of the property? It is not. It is a property of Wikidata and my browser. In the same way, "creation date of the page" is a property of the Wikidata page, not a property of the property itself. You can create a Wikidata item "page on Wikidata about property X", there the page creation date of the property could be added. Unfortunately, Wikidata property pages are not notable enough to get Wikidata items describing them.
"this property was created this date" is simply not true. The property "luminosity of stars" has existed as long as stars existed, and even their current measurement scheme existed for much longer than the wikipedia page for this property. This is elementary logic. --2003:57:E66D:2701:4930:DF96:F24B:1A76 20:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
I understand this subtlety but think about it. P31 also works like the way I use P571 on properties. See this. All the listed properties state through P31 that they are 'Wikidata properties', according to the English label. So here we have evidence that the page of properties are about themselves and not about the equivalent properties of the external authorities that created them. Luminosity of stars may have existed for a long time, here the property about them is quite new and this is what I logically document. The date for luminosity of stars in real world goes on the item's page and I don't know why you want to move it elsewhere. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Good point, we don't really handle properties the same way we handle items. Still I guess that will to be reviewed at some point, and, in any case, it is easy to create a non-ambiguous property to do just what you want. --Zolo (talk) 07:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

To come back to your initial argument: Wouldn't this API query be sufficient for your needs? --Leyo 21:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

That is probably useful, yes. But the thing is that we still want the data in Wikidata because we want Wikidata to be as exhaustive and as self-sufficient as it can be. Of course we can extract data from the history but we still want the data stored through declarations because this is mainly what we do here. Otherwise we can erase half of the properties we already have, the data being also available through queries elsewhere. Whatever, thank you for the effort. I much prefer this than the 'for the last time' message! Thierry Caro (talk) 22:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Elia Morpurgo[edit]

Bonjour Thierry,

Merci vivement pour tes ajouts d'informations sur Wikidata concernant Elia Morpurgo. Je m'étais permis de révoquer ton ajout d'infobox sur l'article fr:Elia Morpurgo, car une infobox avec une seule propriété ne me paraissait pas satisfaisante. Il en va tout autrement depuis tes ajouts.

Je ne peux que t'encourager à continuer dans ce sens : ajout d'informations sur Wikidata, puis ensuite ajout d'une infobox consistante. Merci, cordialement, Kertraon (talk) 08:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

requête autolist2[edit]

Dans le cadre d'une amélioration de wikidata, je cherche à mettre dans wikidata les dates de naissance trouvées dans wikipedia pour les pages ayant l'infobox biographie2 ce qui permet d'éviter l'infobox un peu vide alors que dans le texte, on a l'information. J'avais trouvé une requête de votre part [1] qui est très pertinente mais qui hélas, ramène les résultats de pages WP dans la catégorie date de naissance non renseignée au XXe siècle et siècles précédents et donc, c'est beaucoup de temps perdu. Aussi, je cherche à affiner la requête pour ne chercher que dans les pages de WP n'ayant pas la catégorie date de naissance non renseignée, ce qui permettrait de trouver quasiment à tout coup. L'outil Autolist2 ne semble proposer qu'une seule catégorie WP alors qu'il faudrait d'abord passer un catscan pour limiter le résultat. Comment faire ? merci d'avance, Wangfo (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Merci pour le tuyau. J'ai fait ma Pagelist avec catscan et j'ai obtenu le 783 mais manifestement, autolist2 ne le comprends pas et me rend toute ma Pagelist en résultat mais en Qundefined [2]. Tant pis. Wangfo (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Merci du message. Je m'en suis sorti avec la catégorie Page utilisant P569 (affichant un vilain message d'erreur en rouge) et qui permet de rester entièrement dans catscan. Wangfo (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Qualifiers for Wikidata property example (P1855) in position played on team / speciality (P413)[edit]

I changed the qualifiers to no label (P1859), because using position played on team / speciality (P413) in combination with Wikidata property example (P1855) you generate a constraint violation for P1855. Mbch331 (talk) 09:46, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Naomi Mata'afa[edit]

Bonjour. Vous avez restauré Apia comme lieu de naissance pour Naomi Mata'afa dans Wikidata, ici. Pouvez-vous me préciser votre source pour cette information ? J'ai cherché, mais je ne trouve aucune source indiquant son lieu de naissance. En l'absence de toute référence, j'avais donc retiré cette 'information' potentiellement trompeuse. Aridd (talk) 11:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

OK. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


narrator (P2438) is ready. Mbch331 (talk) 11:50, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Re: GeneaBot[edit]

Bonjour. GeneaBot pourrait-il faire ce genre de modification dans les libellés en français où elle est nécessaire ? Thierry Caro (talk) 20:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Je ne sais déjà pas le faire manuellement, donc je ne vois pas comment dresser mon bot pour qu'il le fasse. Cordialement --Odejea (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
J'ai essayé de voir comment est la chaîne de caractère, mais mon script plante pour une erreur UniEncode --Odejea (talk) 21:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
OK. Merci néanmoins pour la tentative ! Thierry Caro (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

religion (P140): Catholicism (Q1841) => Catholic Church (Q9592) => Christianity (Q5043)[edit]

I remember there was a discussion to use Catholic Church (Q9592) instead of Catholicism (Q1841), but why do you change them to more generic Christianity (Q5043)? --Ghuron (talk) 04:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I change to Christianity (Q5043) when the person is born before 1420, which means much before Catholicism (Q1841) emerges as the opposite of Protestantism (Q23540). Thierry Caro (talk) 04:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I can see your point, but East-West Schism (Q51648) was earlier. I have no opinion on filling religion (P140), I just want to have simple and consistent rules here, because sometimes I create articles about catholic cardinals --Ghuron (talk) 05:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't know which should be the specific time limit but for the moment I am doing this massive change to prevent Catholicism (Q1841) showing in the Infobox of early Christians. I agree that there should be a consistent discussion about all this though. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I think the discussion should come first, then the changes. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
@Jc3s5h, Ghuron: please see Property talk:P140. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
I propose to use Christianity (Q5043) only for pre-1054 people. After East-West Schism (Q51648) there can be orthodox and catholic branches. --Infovarius (talk) 08:50, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
OK. So this we all agree on then. What remains to be settled is what happens after this date. Should we, through this property, store religions, churches or both? Thierry Caro (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Personally I can't prefer religion or church. It may depends on availability of information, which I don't know. May be, Jc3s5h or Ghuron have some opinions? --Infovarius (talk) 21:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Scoville grade (P2658)[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro,

The above is now available, please make good use of it.
--- Jura 08:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

topographic isolation (P2659)[edit]

Hi, the property you proposed and Pasleim supported is now available, please make good use of it.
--- Jura 09:26, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

sectional view (P2713)[edit]

Hi, the property is now created. Please make good use of it.
--- Jura 13:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

typeface/font (P2739)[edit]

Please make good use of it.
--- Jura 11:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Vladimir the Great[edit]


He was born NOT in Kiev, see for example en:Vladimir the Great; and please fix it in FR-wiki. -- Lazarillo (talk) 10:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Loan only in football?[edit]

Dear Thierry,

you entered "sport:football" to the loan item. Nevertheless, loans are common in dozens of other sports, too. Is it correct to have only football there, to add other sports - or remove it? Thanks. --Okino (talk) 10:09, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Okino: Either way will do. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Visa d'exploitation[edit]

Bonjour Thierry,

Comme tu l'as vu, les propriétés exploitation visa number (P2755) et CNC film rating (France) (P2758) sont liées. Si on a comme identifiant externe le visa d'exploitation, penses-tu qu'un robot puisse automatiquement récupérer la mention pour ajouter CNC film rating (France) (P2758) ? Mais d'abord, pour ajouter les visas d'exploitation, comment vas-tu procéder ? Y a-t-il moyen d'automatiser cela avec un robot, ou de le faire semi-manuellement avec Mix'n'match par exemple ?

--Tubezlob (🙋) 15:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi Thierry Caro,

I was wondering if you would consider supporting the two proposals as is. The approach seems much easier for Wikivoyage and I don't think the properties have a use beyond their needs.

BTW, shall we start Wikidata:WikiProject Time?
--- Jura 04:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you think?
--- Jura 06:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


Hi, Thierry Caro! I wonder if you can externally source Barcelona (Q1492) as the death place of Raymond Carr (Q3179517). I think that is a wiki-misreading of sources telling something in the likes of "Paul Preston (Q898722) announced in Barcelona that Raymond Carr (Q3179517) died yesterday", so editors conclude Raymond Carr (Q3179517) was with Paul Preston (Q898722) when the former died in Barcelona (Q1492). I am convinced the slander has propagated somewhere so you might find a source actually telling so (although Encyclopædia Britannica (Q455) thinks otherwise ([3]]), but please, the source first. Best regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 22:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Asqueladd:. Like Jon Snow, I know nothing. I mean, nothing about this specific person. I just imported data from the French Wikipedia, where his article is inside fr:Catégorie:Décès à Barcelone. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


I see you adding many informtion on olympic athlete, please consider to add an information source like I make on Q17403524 Bye --Rippitippi (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

sport (P641) --> rowing (Q159354) unnecessary[edit]

Hey Thierry Caro, I just saw you adding statements sport (P641)  rowing (Q159354) to many rowing athletes, and want to let you know that this is no longer the way how persons are related to a sport. All of them without any exception have already occupation (P106)  rower (Q13382576) set, which is much more specific (see also User talk:Thierry Caro#P641, a topic on this page from last year). Please stop adding, and please also remove these P641 statements again. Thanks and regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

OK. But the conversation was unconclusive, seriously. This needs a much better debate. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I also raised attention for this problem on P641’s talk page (here) last year. I had the impression that this is clear since at least last winter. However, just revert these edit and we’re fine, and you also know in future which property to use for sports persons… Regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 20:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

You should restart a debate. This is not clear. You are the only person in those discussions supporting your move. sport (P641) is on a lot of items about people. I will follow what the debate decides. Till then... Thierry Caro (talk) 21:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with that view, and removed these statements by myself now using Autolist. —MisterSynergy (talk) 05:31, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy:. I don't get it. You opened two sections and only one person answered, and did so to oppose your move. And now you are coming here to have me change the way I do. Please open a serious debate with all the people interested in sports and I'll happily take part in. I agree that there should be some discussion to make things clearer regarding this property. But for the moment there is absolutely no rule and you are just destroying content and the work that brought it here, in my humble opinion. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:52, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I raised attention on WD:PC for that discussion. Let’s see what happens. —MisterSynergy (talk) 06:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


You're flooding the recent changes. You may want to request a flood flag before doing such a large amount of edits so quickly. --Yair rand (talk) 04:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

OK. I have slowed down things. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Naissance en France[edit]


J'ai posté récemment sur Wikidata talk:WikiProject France des requêtes pour nettoyer les déclarations du type place of birth (P19) = France (Q142) (et évidemment les remplacer par des déclarations plus précises et sauf exceptions). Quelques jours plus tard, je vois que non seulement le nombre n'a pas baissé mais qu'il a augmenté, en partie de ton fait. Je suis tombé sur Special:Diff/383632787 et je ne sais pas trop quoi en penser et encore moins en faire, du coup je veux bien ton avis sur la question. Déjà, dans le cas spécifique de cet élément et sur la traçabilité de cette information, je ne vois rien dans l'article de la wikipédia en français qui indique qu'il soit né en France. Ensuite dans un cas plus général, quand bien même ce serait le cas, est-ce une vraiment bonne idée de mettre une information aussi vague que place of birth (P19) = France (Q142) ? (en gros, est-ce que je me prends la tête pour rien ? Face-wink.svg)

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:16, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

C'est dans l'article de Wikipédia mais l'Infobox ne l'affiche pas, sans doute parce qu'il n'y a pas de date de naissance avec. D'une façon générale, bien sûr qu'il faut aller au plus précis. Mais si le plus précis est le pays, il n'y a pas de raison de faire exception. C'est d'un intérêt limité pour qui s'intéresse au personnage mais pas pour celui qui fera une requête pour étudier les mobilités en Europe, par exemple. Thierry Caro (talk) 08:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Ahmed Cherif[edit]

Hi. I hope you don't mind if I talk to you in English. Mon français est très mauvais. The French Wikipedia entry for fr:Ahmed Cherif was vandalized a while ago. I've been tracking a vandal at en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Aliabbashiraqi79 for months. You can't really trust any birth date on Wikipedia for Middle Eastern people because this cross-wiki vandal has been changing them. I revert him when I see him, but I miss a lot of it. So, sometimes Wikidata gets vandalized data from English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, or Arabic Wikipedia. For this reason, it's best not to import data from Wikipedia into Wikidata. Use reliable sources, like books or newspapers or whatever. Too much of Wikipedia has been vandalized. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

OK. But one guy shouldn't stop us. Just fight him back, not other quiet contributors! Whatever, I understand that this is complicated. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

has part vs. member of[edit]

Hi, i found that for multiple German singers you have added has part (P527) instead of member of (P463). Please try to find all instances of this error and fix it. Thanks. --Jklamo (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

This comes from a confusion on the French Wikipedia. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
OK. Done. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:04, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks.--Jklamo (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Photomaton / photo booth (Q494312)[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro, in nearly all languages Q494312 is a general class of machines doing photos, but maybe the French entry goes to a special company producing (operating?) such machines. Therefore, it might be better to make a new(?) Q for the company, and set the webpage (your last edit) to that new one? -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 06:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I just deleted the website. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:36, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


Thierry, I see that on Elko Mountain (Q19880410)‎ you created the claim part of (P361) Elko Hills (Q5364360). Shouldn't mountain (Q8502) be located on terrain feature (P706) mountain range (Q46831), rather than part of (P361)? Best, Runner1928 (talk) 18:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually, we need a new property for mountain ranges. But people are going to oppose. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:40, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
For the moment, as there is no such property, I guess we have to use both properties. A mountain is a part of a range and is in that range. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
@Runner1928: mountain range (P4552) is now created. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: Thank you and thank you for remembering to follow up a year later. The good news is that your prediction of new property opposition didn't come to pass. Runner1928 (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

no label (Q24515379)[edit]

Can you explain the use of this item? It isn't clear for me. Is a "Category" but isn't used like a category. If it is no longer useful, we can delete? --ValterVB (talk) 16:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

This is a tracking category for the property P632. Every time it is used on a Wikipedia page this page falls in the category. This one can be deleted as there is no such category created on the French Wikipedia, nor elsewhere. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Deleted, thanks. --ValterVB (talk) 16:54, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

P264 on films[edit]

Hey, You added record label (P264) to a bunch of film items (like Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Q54274), The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Q80379), Star Trek Into Darkness (Q171711) and Ocean's Eleven (Q205447), just to name a few from my watchlist). This does not seem right, these statements belong on the soundtrack items. – Máté (talk) 04:18, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

This should not happen, as they are not a musical work (Q2188189), as defined in constraints for the property. Whatever, I am deleting the claims. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
OK. Done. Thanks for the message. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Flags of the districts of Israel[edit]


You added flags to the districts of Israel. They have nothing to do with the districts (which do not have flags). Somew of them have nothing to do with Israel altogether. Other are flags of Israeli Rail etc. Why did you do it?!

I removed the flags. Have you done other things like that? Eman (talk) 11:36, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

They have been imported from the Spanish Wikipedia. If there is a mistake, you should let a message there so that they too can get rid of it. As for me, I unfortunately know nothing about them. I just imported the data. Sorry if there is any trouble. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I will try to see why they had this mistake. But next time try to be more carefull. If such a thing appear in Spanish Wikipedia but not in the Hebrew one, it should be suspecious, and it is better to ask people in the Hebrew one. Eman (talk) 14:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I suppose the general rule is: you should know about the data you import. --Infovarius (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Ksenia Sitnik[edit]

Hello. I deleted genre "teen-pop" because there is no source for it. --SkоrP24 15:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)


Hi, what is Q23764314, and how is it different from Q1076486? Thx! --Yurik (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Yurik:. They are different in that a sports venue (Q1076486) is a placed dedicated to sports (and usually built for sports), while a sports ground (Q23764314) might well be, for instance, a natural site with almost no built equipment that happens to be used for sports. For example, a beach where people tend to practice land sailing (Q977003) is a sports ground (Q23764314) but not a sports venue (Q1076486). Thierry Caro (talk) 08:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: thanks! Could you add this to the item description? --Yurik (talk) 08:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata property related to art (Q27918607)[edit]

I wonder if this is too broad or that we need more specific properties. Let's see how this works out. In case you're looking for relevant properties, see Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure, [4] and [5] Multichill (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

OK. Thank you. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:12, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Aire protégée au Canada[edit]

Bon, je ne suis pas tout à fait certain que ça peut faire un ID, mais que pense tu de cela? ça récence toutes les aire protégées du Canada. Pour les numéros voir [6]. Mais bon, je ne suis pas certain de la mise à jour, ni de la stabilité de cette base. Sur un tout autre sujet, comme on crée un Mix n' Match, j'aimerais bien en avoir un pour Banque de noms de lieux du Québec ID (P2100) (Tous les toponyme du Québec, rues comprissent.) --Fralambert (talk) 02:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@Fralambert: Vu qu'il y a 8049 aires protégées dans cette liste, je ne vois pas pourquoi ceci ne donnerait pas lieu à la création d'une propriété. Je me suis donc attelé à la création d'un catalogue Mix'n'match dédié, que tu trouveras ici. Tu peux déjà associer les pages les unes aux autres : si une propriété devait être créée, ce serait facile d'importer tous les identifiants depuis Mix'n'match ensuite. Pour ce qui est de Banque de noms de lieux du Québec ID (P2100), si le site lié peut afficher de lui-même une liste ou une série restreinte de tous les éléments inclus dans la base, ce sera possible de créer un catalogue. Autrement, je ne pourrais pas, mais tout ne sera pas perdu pour autant. Quelqu'un plus calé que moi, maîtrisant les API, pourrait peut-être encore se débrouiller pour extraire du contenu. Thierry Caro (talk) 03:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
J'ai trouvé ceci pour les toponymes et ce deuxième bases pour les odonymes (Mais c'est le même ID au final) Le seul problème que je vois est que les toponymes sont sous la forme "Saint-Maurice, rivière" dans la base. --Fralambert (talk) 03:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Oui, ça se fait facilement. Demain ou après-demain au pire. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
@Fralambert: OK. Tu peux utiliser le catalogue 306, appelé BNL Québec. Les autres (303 et 304) sont pourris, incomplets et à oublier : ils vont être supprimés. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Ça semble bien marché, une simple question, les bureaux de poste, je met ça "pas sur Wikidata"? J'ésite un peu pour ce type de toponyme. --Fralambert (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
'Pas sur Wikidata' débouche parfois sur la création de l'élément. Je laisserais en plan. On ne sait pas jusqu'où on ira dans cinq ans. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

exception to constraint (P2303)[edit]

In Special:Diff/398196072 you used exception to constraint (P2303) which is for defining constraints on properties. Did you mean excluding (P1011)? - Nikki (talk) 13:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nikki: Probably, yes. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Auto-référence de groupe de musique[edit]


Je surveille régulièrement les liens autoréférents, et là je viens de tomber sur toute une série de liens que tu as ajouté sur des groupes de musiques, exemple Special:Diff/392498593. J'ai commencé à annulé quand je me suis rendu compte qu'il y en a plus d'une centaine. Du coup j'ai un doute, est-ce volontaire ou bien est-ce une erreur en série ?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: C'est une erreur en série. J'ai importé ce qui était une redirection dans l'article sans y faire assez attention. Merci. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Arf, zut, fichtre.
Du coup, est-ce que peux te demander de les retirer ?
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
	?item wdt:P527 ?item .
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr" }
Try it!
Cette requête m'en renvoie 321... Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: Pas de problème. Par contre, je pense qu'une seule ligne de plus à ta commande isolerait les éléments qui n'ont qu'une seule déclaration sur has part (P527), rendant le retrait automatique très facile. Si tu sais faire, fais-moi signe. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Pas très compliqué mais cela requiert un peu plus d'une ligne :
SELECT ?valueLabel (COUNT(?item) AS ?count)
	?item wdt:P527 ?item ; wdt:P527 ?value.
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr". }
GROUP BY ?valueLabel
Try it!
Il n'y avait que 3 résultats avec plus d'une valeur, je viens de les nettoyer à la main, je te laisse tout le reste ;) Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:24, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
OK. Fait. Comme tu l'auras deviné, ça vient du fait que j'ai aspiré les membres depuis les Infobox des articles sur les groupes. Mais on y trouve souvent des liens rouges pour ces membres, liens qui, avec le temps, sont transformés en redirections vers l'article sur le groupe, créant une boucle que ni Harvest Templates ni moi n'avons détecté ou supposé. Merci pour tout. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: et puis, comme j'ai un doute sur le fait que tu le saches, on peut mettre la requête dans le champ SPARQL de l'onglet Other sources de PetScan. Ensuite, il ne reste qu'à mettre -P527 dans la boîte qui apparaît et à lancer. Si tu savais, pense bien que je ne te dis pas ça pour suggérer que ce n'était pas à moi de le faire. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Je connais PetScan mais je ne le maîtrise pas vraiment. Surtout par manque d'utilisations, j'utilise très rarement Others source avec une requête SPARQL et un peu plus souvent la boîte pour ajouter des données mais je n'ai jamais utilisée pour retirer des données sans connaître la valeur, je pensais qu'il fallait forcément avoir une valeur -P31:Q5 et pas juste -P31. C'est pourtant explicitement écrit mais je n'y avais pas fait attention donc merci beaucoup de l'info !
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

BNL Québec[edit]

Hi Thierry, a while ago you uploaded the "BNL Québec" catalog to Mix'n'match. I had a little accident, and many of the labels there have been lost. Do you by any change still have the file you uploaded, and could you get me a copy? Thanks, Magnus Manske (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

@Magnus Manske: No, I don't have the exact file anymore. I combined this and that though. Can you work with them? Thierry Caro (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that did the trick! --Magnus Manske (talk) 10:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Please check property talk pages before mass importing data[edit]

Please see my post on the above. Keep up the good work! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Identifiant Institut für Angewandte Trainingswissenschaft d'un lutteur[edit]

Bonjour, J'ai vu que tu t'occupais du modèle Bases sport sur Wikipédia en français où j'ai notamment vu ces propriétés Property:P2778, Property:P2779 et Property:P2780. Je n'y connais pas grand chose en création de propriété, mais serait-il possible de faire de même pour les lutteurs ? (Par exemple, pour l'article Valerou Bularca que j'ai créé dernièrement (Q138024). Merci, --Rashinseita (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Rashinseita: Cette propriété existe déjà sous le nom de United World Wrestling ID (P2727), laquelle est déjà dans Template:Sports links (Q22674492). Il suffit donc de mettre *{{Bases sport}} au pied de la page Valeriu Bularca. Par contre je vais changer l'intitulé du lien généré, qui est trompeur. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
En effet, je ne l'avais pas vu. Merci ! --Rashinseita (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

It would be really cool if you were able to use edit summaries a little more, your string of edits in Wikidata:Property proposal/Person would give a little better idea of what is happening without having to open the page. thanks for your consideration.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Importing values from IPA template for Kirshenbaum[edit]

The EnWiki template 'Infobox IPA' has values for Kirshenbaum code (P3625). I'm not proficient with the way we import data from Wikipedia templates and I think the person who proposed the property isn't very familiar either. Can you import that data that EnWiki hosts into the property? ChristianKl (talk) 07:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

@ChristianKl: ✓ Done. Has to be checked by someone who knows what we are talking about, if I may say. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Speed Skating properties[edit]

Hello Thierry Caro. Thanks for suggesting these 3 properties : short-track speed skater ISU ID (P3693), speed skater ID (P3694) and SpeedSkatingStats speed skater ID (P3695). I left a short comment at the last ones talk page. And I also know that the speed skater ID (P3694)-website has changed its urls at least 2 times. Best regards Migrant (talk) 12:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello again Thierry Caro. On Norwegian Wikipedia (NO:WP) there is a some use of these two speed skating ID's but the external link templates (Speedskatingnews at NO:WP and SpeedSkatingStats at NO:WP) have a split-word for type of ID regarding whether it is for a speed skater or a speed skating competition or a speed skating track. So how can we use PLtools harvest tool for these ID's ? BTW, we also have the external link template ShorttrackOnLine. Since I am not that familiar with those harvesting tools or queries for uploading IDs too wikidata, so hopefully you can help with that. Best regards Migrant (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
@Migrant: ✓ Done. Thierry Caro (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Migrant (talk) 00:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC) skater ID[edit]

Hello again Thierry Caro. I just supported your proposal of this speed skater ID. And made some relevant edits to it. But I also see that you are removing some skater IDs because they are incorrect, but they are only slightly incorrect. See for instance this double-edit of me and you deleting and updating the ID. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to check the skater ID instead of just deleting it, since it is kinda close to the real ID. Best regards Migrant (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Greek Football League2 Teams[edit]

I suppose in french wikipedia is needed an update in teams participating in 3rd tier (Gamma Ethniki or Football League2) . The 3 last teams u added these 2 days are relegated couple years ago and now play in Local Championships (Paniliakos Q2661174, Thermaikos Q3031940, Makedonikos Q3353427) trying to get back up :) --Drspiros (talk) 10:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Drspiros: Thank you very much for this. Don't hesitate to update the data from these items, or remove it if needed. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


In the Wikidata:WikiProject Mountains page I created, I mostly tried to describe the existing data representation, based on what I saw in the existing items.

I see you changed all uses of part of (P361) to located on terrain feature (P706) in the project page, but most of the items do use part of (P361), so the examples given are now meaningless and we risk having different ways of representing the same information. I don't care much about which property to use, but the most important is to be consistent and use the same everywhere. Do you plan to use a bot to transfer the existing part of (P361) to located on terrain feature (P706) ? Koxinga (talk) 18:26, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Koxinga:. A few months ago, I was in favour of having both on any item, but now I prefer located on terrain feature (P706) only. No bot is clearly planned for the moment. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:33, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Property documentation[edit]

I've added {{Property documentation}} to Property talk:P3765; please remember to do so for other properties you create. Cheers, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

ID to a web that the data is shown only after payment[edit]

Bonjour Thierry. Do wikidata have a policy to not add properties to web that you need to pay to see the data. an example ID (P3527). If it was any discussion about it, can you give the a link to there? thank you, - yona b (talk) 08:58, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

@יונה בנדלאק: We can have any kind of property, even IDs that don't have any URL associated to them. So of course we can create ones that are connected to a paid website. ID (P3527) is even better, as it does provide some basic information for free. The thing is that it is probably more complicated to have people support a proposal when they have no actual access on the data they are voting for. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Wrong ID[edit]

Hi, regarding edits like this, I think there is a misunderstanding. You are importing the manga ID from the Italian Wikipedia instead of the anime ID. I'm contacting you because I've noticed you have done the same mistake on some other items as well. Hope I was useful--Sakretsu (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sakretsu: There is a lot of work to be done to distinguish animes from mangas on Wikipedias so the import brought this mess here, unfortunately. On the other hand, it's probably easier to deal with the confusion here than on individual Wikipedias. So all in all I hope this was helpful whatever! Thierry Caro (talk) 13:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


Salut, Je me demandais par rapport à Banque de noms de lieux du Québec ID (P2100) a quelle fréquence se serait bien de mettre à jour le mix'n'match. La Banque des noms des lieux du Québec a été mis à jour au moins deux fois depuis que ça a été créée. Note que je ne suis pas sur que l'on devrait importer avec les odonymes cette fois-ci, à moins que quelqu'un désirerait créer tous les odonymes d'un coup. --Fralambert (talk) 02:19, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Fralambert: Il faut voir de quel type de mise à jour il s'agit. Les identifiants d'un lieu donné ont-ils changé ? Y a-t-il de nouveaux lieux et donc identifiants dans la base ? Ou bien est-ce seulement le contenu pour chaque identifiant qui a été développé ? Dans les deux premiers cas on peut sans doute importer la nouvelle version, oui. Thierry Caro (talk) 05:45, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Il s'agit d'ajout et de retrait de toponymes (Ce qu'ils font 4 à 6 fois par années). Comme exemple, les changements du 3 mars dernier. --Fralambert (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
@Fralambert: J'allais me pencher sur ça mais je viens de penser qu'une bonne pratique serait de conserver le même numéro de catalogue malgré les changements de version dans lesquels on s'engage. Et pour faire ça il faut que tu t'adresses à celui qui gère Mix'n'match : il faut lui demander de supprimer toute l'ancienne version et de mettre la nouvelle à la place. Note que suite à un problème technique il était déjà intervenu sur ce catalogue en particulier et l'avait lui-même uploadé à nouveau, comme tu peux le voir plus haut sur cette page. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
✓ Done [7] --Fralambert (talk) 02:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

P3330 should be deleted?[edit]


You proposed ID (P3330) and now the site has this announcment:

Dear visitor,

After 18 years the time has come to say goodbye to It was a long and very nice ride and we hope you enjoyed it as much as we did.

All the best!

The Supermodels Team

I sadly recommend we delete the property, DGtal (talk) 07:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@DGtal: I've noticed this. That's why I have removed the external link formatting. I suggest we wait till the site is really down. As long as the message is there, someone might show up and, who knows, start that website again. If the message stays more than one year, we will delete the property whatever. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
OK. I suggest you add a note about this in Property talk:P3330. Good day, DGtal (talk) 06:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
It's been a year an the site has not returned. Please nominate property for deletion. DGtal (talk) 08:50, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
@DGtal: ✓ Done. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Format de journal[edit]

Bonjour Thierry, tout d'abord merci pour ton gros travail de mise en forme des propriétés qui sont créées Face-smile.svg Ma question maintenant, dans Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Q10184) tu as ajouté le format de journal mais l'élément utilisé (newspaper format (Q187051)) ne me semble pas correct étant donné qu'il s'agit d'un élément général. Tu pourrais regarder ça ? Merci d'avance. Pamputt (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Bon, en fait je suis en train de faire le ménage à partir de Wikidata:Lists/newspapers by format. Une question me vient alors. Est ce que cette propriété s'adresse uniquement aux journaux papiers ou peut-elle être étendue au magazine, au site web, de livre, ... ? C'est en tout cas ce que fait ressortir cette liste. Pamputt (talk) 17:12, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@Pamputt: c'est par définition le format pour les journaux imprimés sur papier. Il nous faudrait d'ailleurs un élément pour le demi-berlinois. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Template talk:Property proposal[edit]

There are several open requests on Template talk:Property proposal. Can you assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


Where is your flood-flag?? You've ruined my watchlist... --Infovarius (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Mmmh. I may stop if needed. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. I have slowed down the imports. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, it probably helps. But for total edits one should use bot or flood flag. --Infovarius (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

P4024 (2)[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro,

I see you are adding ADW ID's. You should note that the intent in adding such ID's should be to add them to the matching taxon name. So "Aquila_clanga" should be added to the item Aquila clanga. I see that instead of doing that, you have added "Aquila_clanga" to the item Clanga clanga for the third time. And this is only one of some half dozen such cases. - Brya (talk) 10:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

There are many more problems, but for the moment this is the import phase and that's why what you have deleted has been imported again. Just give me two more days and we will be able to tackle the different issues without conflicting edits. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:56, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The import is finished now. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

import from "raw link"[edit]

Hi Thierry, do you have a tool to import data to an identifier from a link and not only from a template? for example we found 31 link in He-wikipedia to myspace (P3265) that are not in Wikidata you can see a list in he:שיחת תבנית:Allmusic/הוספה לוויקינתונים#myspace. In all those cases, in the article the link is direct URL and not via a template. - yona b (talk) 05:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@יונה בנדלאק: There is no specialized tool that I know of. But using a few of the existing ones I am still able, following a procedure I have developped over time, to extract the external links of a Wikipedia and turn them into external IDs on Wikidata. This process takes about 20 to 30 minutes to deal with so if what is stored on Wikipedia has less than 50 entries it's better to deal with it by hand, I guess. If you what you wanted to extract contained 500 external IDs or something then I'd be OK to take care of it. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
For now we handle those cases by: (I) creating a temporary template, (II) running a bot that change the URL to the temporary template, (III) export to wikidata by this tool, (IV) bot remove the temporary template (we use templates that contain a lot of identifier like w:he:תבנית:מידע טקסונומי for taxonomic databses, so we don't need the template for one website).
Like you, we do that when we have 50 entries or more. so i wondered if you have a better way, if you think your way is faster i will be glade to hear it. - yona b (talk) 14:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
@יונה בנדלאק: Let's say I want to extract the IDs for the new French Olympic Committee athlete ID (P4050) property from the external links pointing to the matching database already on the French Wikipedia. Let's say those links are not formatted through a dedicated template. They are just URLs that have been put there by hand and thus they cannot be harvested through HarvestTemplate. I'll go to the French version of Special:LinkSearch and fill the form with the the URL pattern, which will give me this. I'll copy the lines and paste them in an Excel-like program. I'll remove the now unnecessary text through Ctrl+H – here and the text between the URL and the article name, in French est lié depuis. I'll then cut the columns in two using an Excel button called 'Convertir' in French (in the 'Data' section). Once I have two columns, one for the IDs and one for the titles of the articles, I'll check for doubles using the in-built Excel function that highlights repeats. I'll also get rid of talk pages (looking for : in my file) so that the file eventually countains only actual IDs and titles. Then I'll use PetScan (the 'Manual list' form in the 'Other sources' section) to check, for instance, if my articles all really point to actual people (using, in my example, the 'Uses items/props' of the 'Wikidata' section with human (Q5)). Once I am sure the file is clean with what only I want, I go to PagePile and uploads the titles column of my file, asking it to convert this to Wikidata in the process. The results let me copy and paste the corresponding Qs of Wikidata items in a new column in my file. I can now get rid of the titles, add a column for the property (here put P4050 everywhere) and import the IDs to Wikidata through Quickstatements, possibly with two more columns always set to S143 and Q8447 to make sure I also import the origin of the data I'm about adding. All this is quite unprofessional but it works and it's not bad for someone who cannot program a bot. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Thierry, I am working closely with Yona. Would it help if I tell you all the links are ALWAYS under External Links, or in Hebrew ==קישורים חיצוניים==? that way you search for the specific link under a limited amount of lies started by a bullet. בורה בורה (talk) 15:06, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
As I said, I'm not running a bot so the Wikipedia section where the URLs are stored does not matter to me. What I use is the in-built Special:LinkSearch of Wikipedia, which collects all the links (starting in the same manner) wherever they are in their article. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
thank you thierry for the description. I like your way and maybe i will try it one time to see how it is. like User:בורה בורה write, we use bot and we remove noise by looking only the external link section. but maybe we can use the bot for the first part you described and train the bot to give a list like Special:LinkSearch give or in table divide by two, like you do in excel. and then use PetScan and Quickstatement. - yona b (talk) 05:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Thierry, just so you know, you don't need to convert the articles titles into wikidata item using Petscan. If you go to Quickstatements you have "First column are articles from__", if you fill in "frwiki", it will convert all the items in the first column into their items.--Mikey641 (talk) 07:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
@Mikey641, יונה בנדלאק, Migrant: Thank you. I didn't know about this trick. I have just imported IDs from both the English and the French Wikipedias on Canadian Olympic Committee athlete ID (P4054) using it and it all went well. So actually I will now skip the PagePile part of my previous method to go even faster. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
happy to help!--Mikey641 (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Création d'identifiant[edit]


Comme tu as superbement créé le modèle Bases sport sur WP:FR (encore merci merci merci !) en créant des identifiant As & MotoGP, peux-tu te charger de créer une propriété pour WorldSBK s'il te plait ? à partir de

Merci d'avance,

Bien amicalement. --Indeed [knock-knock] 08:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Indeed: OK. Thierry Caro (talk) 08:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
C'est Wikidata:Property proposal/ ID. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Super. Quand ce sera créé, pourras-tu le rajouter à Bases sport stp ? Merci. --Indeed [knock-knock] 09:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
@Indeed: OK. Pour aider, peux-tu voter *{{s}} ~~~~ dans la section « Discussion » de lWikidata:Property proposal/ ID ? Cela nous garantira au moins un vote positif ; ceux-ci sont rares en ces temps actuels. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

GNIS IDs[edit]

It seems you imported loads of GNIS IDs from Wikipedia a couple of months ago. Did you do any checks before importing? You've added them to illogical things like people and disambiguation pages (please fix them). If you've assumed that mentioning GNIS anywhere on a page means that's the GNIS ID, then the entire batch needs checking. Did you make sure to not re-add ones which have previously been removed or changed? - Nikki (talk) 18:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I can't remember which way I used to import these IDs. There are probably errors in there, indeed, because, well, there are always errors! I'll have a look at what I can easily correct. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

P210 vs. P3975[edit]

Hi, I saw your edit and I rollbacked it because the information is already present with the correct property (party chief representative (P210), not secretary general (P3975), as you did). Check your edits and eventually rollback wrong edits. Thank you very much, --★ → Airon 90 08:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

identifiant Fédération internationale de canoë pour le slalom[edit]


Lors de mes pérégrinations wikipédesques, je suis arrivée à chercher un ICF canoer ID (P3689) pour Thomas Koechlin (Q30306213), et je me suis aperçue que le "format de l'url" était faux (le site a du être refondu ?).

Bref, pourrais tu jeter un œil et corriger, je crois que cela doit donner ça : pour l'url et ça : /thomas-koechlin pour l'identifiant.

Merci de ton aide. Amicalement. --Indeed [knock-knock] 10:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

@Indeed:. Effectivement. J'ai mis à jour ICF canoer ID (P3689) : la partie fixe de l'URL est désormais Il me semble que no label (P3688) ne sert plus à rien. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Merci pour la modif. en ce qui concerne no label (P3688) (qui ne fonctionne plus), il semble que les fiches athlètes (pour la partie "en ligne") aient complètement disparues. Peut être qu'il faut un peu attendre et que ça va revenir en ligne ? Amicalement. --Indeed [knock-knock] 14:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
En fait les deux identifiants ont été fusionnés en un seul. Les nouveaux identifiants des deux sportifs en exemple sur no label (P3688) peuvent être trouvés en cherchant sous un autre nom de famille. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Video game sports[edit]

Did you add sport (P641) to hundreds of items about video games back in August 2015. P641 is for "sport in which the entity participates or belongs to", not just any generically associated sport. I'm pretty sure those are supposed to use genre (P136), or a similar property. Could you please revert your additions? --Yair rand (talk) 20:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

The extent of sport (P641) - and whether it should exist eventually - is quite unclear so far so I guess we should probably restrain from adding or removing claims made through property for the moment. Otherwise the intervention you suggest would be quite simple through PetScan for instance. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:59, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Ulla fyr and Bastø fyr[edit]

Hello! With reference to your Bastøy fyr Bastøy Lighthouse (Q4575753)); Property:service entry (P729): 1986 with reference from English wikipedia not correct. The lighthouse was closed down in 1986. Please also check Ulla fyr (Q908222) for service entry (P729). Breg. --Pmt (talk) 10:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Can you please stop adding property service entry (P729) to Norwegian lighthouses. THEY ARE NOT CORRECT. Best regards Pmt (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

The problem comes from the fact that the English Infobox sometimes covers multiple lighthouses at a time. I am going to need your help to find the incorrect data, as I am not, of course, an actual specialist of Norwegian lighthouses. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I understand. Of course I can help you, whath do you want me to do?. I do not have all Norwegian lighthouses on my watchlist, so it not so easy for me to see when a change is done. Best regardsPmt (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I was – and still am – trying to enhance all our items about lighthouses by importing as much data as is available on the main Wikipedias. So I did modify other items about lights of Norway, yes. Here you can find which. Technically it should be OK most of the time but some might contain errors just like the ones you pointed to. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Proposition de nouvelle propriété[edit]

Bonsoir TC,

pourriez-vous m'aider dans ma proposition d'une propriété relative à la bases ? C'est ma première, et je crains de mal me débrouiller (apparemment, il manque des champs)...

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC).

Salut @Nomen ad hoc:, ta demande était correct, mais c'est seulement, qu'il n'y a pas de topic "recherche" dans les sujets de création. J'ai remplacé pour « Personne ». Il va te rester à donner des arguments de créations (type de personnes touchée, utilité, etc. et de l'inscrire sur Wikidata:Property proposal/Person. Tu peu la faire en français, si l'anglais t'embête. Tu peut toujours m'avertir, s'il n'y a pas d’opposition majeure dans une ou deux semaines, j'ai le statut de créateur de propriété. (Désolé Thierry Caro, d'avoir répondu sur ta page.) --Fralambert (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
@Nomen ad hoc, Fralambert: Quelques petites améliorations et mon vote. Thierry Caro (talk) 06:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Impeccable, merci à vous deux pour votre aide. On va voir ce que ça donne. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 07:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC).

Template:Sports properties[edit]

Hi! When you create a new subtopic navbox with ext ID properties, please could you add it to User:Edgars2007/Sports IDs/By transclusions/Templates? I'm using it, when updating User:Edgars2007/Sports IDs/By transclusions. Thank you! --Edgars2007 (talk) 08:32, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Hall of Fame[edit]

Hello.Thanks for your proposals on "Hall of Fame" But I think it's best to propose everything you want once rather than suggesting each property separately.Thanks David (talk) 07:08, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: Yeah. I know. But it takes time to build each proposal and then, once the property is actually created, to deal with the result. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Voting on several properties at once is easier but okay, no problem. Thanks David (talk) 07:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


Salut Thierry, je suis Blackcat écrivant sur la Wikipedia en italien (pardon mon français, mais je ne le parle depuis 25 ans :-) ) j'ai vu que tu as écrit les valeurs du ID Pro14 dans les fichiers Wikidata des joueurs de rugby à XV. Est-ce que tu l'as importé à partir des données du modele Link statistiche rugbisti a 15 à la voix "Pro12"? Parce que si la response est oui je peut eliminer la voix du modele :-) Merci -- Blackcat (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Blackcat: Oui. Tout vient de ce modèle ! Je n'ai rien importé d'ailleurs. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Ok, merci Thierry, donc je vais eliminer la voix "Pro12 = " de ce modèle. -- Blackcat (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
PS A propos Thierry, j'ai plus que 500 articles sur avec le id des Barbarian Football Club. Est-ce tu pense qu'il vaut mieux le concentrer dans une proprieté Wikidata aussi?
@Blackcat: Oui. C'est une bonne idée à mon avis. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Ok, ici. Meme pour les Barbarians français. -- Blackcat (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Frank Zappa was not "influenced by" the "Mothers of Invention"...[edit]

Um, I deleted your value in the "influenced by"-statement on Frank Zappa Q127330... Frank wasn't "influenced by" the Mothers of Invention Q530362, he founded it / was part of it... Hope, that's OK for you! -- Gashloog (talk) 22:33, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Créateur de propriété[edit]

Bienvenu au club. La bonne nouvelle c'est qu'il n'y a pas de quota d'actions, comme pour les sysops. --Fralambert (talk) 21:59, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Fralambert:. Merci bien. Comme tu le sais aussi, je vais continuer à avoir besoin de toi pour le sport. Or, il y a une vague de propositions en cours et une autre que je prépare déjà… Thierry Caro (talk) 22:02, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Listed ingredient[edit]

Can you create ? ChristianKl () 18:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

CGF stuff[edit]

prior to many more of the CGF additions we need to run a bot through the lawn bowls and weightliftingh categories at enWP to categorise and make it easier to mix n match. Probably need to do something similar for the polish cats for some others. I am to whacked to do it today, though may over the weekend.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:32, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@billinghurst: Yeah. It's becoming more and more complicated now. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
@billinghurst: And thank you for everything, by the way! Thierry Caro (talk) 12:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
and back at you for getting it organised. Evidently it is one that piques interest. :-)  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:51, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
The remains of matched are all for deleted articles from enWP. Issue is that they were transferred through to Draft: ns prior to deletion, so WD system didn't cope. I have been resurrecting the biographies bit by bit and just have up to 100 weightlifting bios to go, and I am pretty certain that they are all matched. Have done lots of petscan matches to get the matching data in place. I am clearly fixated. :-/  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Oh, not sure what flexibility we have for matching, however, if we do have any, I know that there are still plentiful matches in the unmatched. There are names there where middle names, or middle initials, are impacting the ability to match. Also as I have add quite a few sport (P641) fields, if we are able to grab that into the matching space, it may pick up others. If you know of scope to do some more fuzzy matching, that would be useful.  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
aaaaaaaand it would great if there was a synonym search, things like Anthony (Antony, Tony); Michael (Mike); Jonathon (Jonathan, Jon). Do we need to nag MM?  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I honestly believe that you did your best and that we can't expect too much more from the Mix'n'match tools now. We will have, I suppose, to review all the remaining lines manually. What's nice is that thanks to you we now have a much larger number of matched items here whatever. Thank you for your help again. And just in case you liked doing this, know that here you can find another huge set of IDs waiting for a contributor to match them with our items! Thierry Caro (talk) 12:40, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


Would you mind to explain your recent undos!? -- ZH8000 (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@ZH8000: Hello. mountain range (P4552) is a subproperty of (P1647) both located on terrain feature (P706) and part of (P361) and it is set to Monte Rosa Massif (Q14668) on Dufourspitze (Q3403). Thierry Caro (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Russian-Japan islands[edit]

Can you please undo your changes with mountain range (P4552)Lesser Kuril Ridge (Q2093721) as it is not (only) a range but also a group of islands and statements like "island mountain range (P4552) group of islands" is more strange that part of (P361).--Infovarius (talk) 20:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

And Greater Kuril Ridge (Q2372442). I understand using this property for mountains, but not for rivers, museums, administrative units. I think you are overshooting. --Infovarius (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
@Infovarius: I believe it's mostly the definition of Lesser Kuril Ridge (Q2093721) that needs to be reviewed. As long as it is defined as something to which mountain range (P4552) applies, this property will quite logically be used on it. Bots will come and move the data back to mountain range (P4552) whenever it's removed. So we need a better definition of Lesser Kuril Ridge (Q2093721) first. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
But it is also island group (Q1402592) so at least part of (P361) should not be removed. Infovarius (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Rami Imam[edit]

Hi, Rami Imam isn't dead and I think you add (death place) mistakenly, so I reverted it --Ibrahim.ID (talk) 23:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Link from ID in Listeria[edit]

Not sure if you got the ping. Check out the listeria template at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Art Institute of Chicago

{{Wikidata list
|sparql=SELECT ?item ?articurl WHERE {
  wd:P4610 wdt:P1630 ?formatterurl .
  ?item p:P195 ?collectionstatement .
  ?collectionstatement ps:P195 wd:Q239303 .
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q3305213 .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P4610 ?articid }.
  BIND(REPLACE(?articid, '^(\\d+)$', CONCAT("[", ?formatterurl, " $1]")) AS ?articurl)  .
LIMIT 4000

Works for other id's too, just replace P4610 (and you might want to rename ?articid and ?articurl fields). Multichill (talk) 17:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Ajouter Commons à Template:External links[edit]

Salut, sur les récentes propositions d'ID de musées, j'ai cherché en vain Commons, qui est pourtant un utilisateur important de ces ID... penses-tu qu'il serait possible de l'ajouter aux liens de Template:External links ? --Hsarrazin (talk) 09:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Hsarrazin: ✓ Done ici. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
merci ! ma syntaxe de #switch n'est pas assez sûre pour que je m'y sois risquée :)D --Hsarrazin (talk) 15:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

The usage of P4614 Watershed[edit]

God afternoon! I was not aware of this property untill now and would like to ask you some questions regarding the use of this property and its use for Norwegian rivers and water basins. In Norway the official authorities defines a drainage basin/Watershed as A water resource is a limited and significant amount of surface water, that is, a coastal area, lake or river, or a limited volume of groundwater. Several water bodies together form a water area Should then Watershed be a waterresourse?

For the Oise basin (Q35086304) why is that not a part of Seine basin (Q2887515) but has the Seine basin as its Watershed.

Do yuo know if the Seine basin is the same as Bassin Seine Normandie [[8]]

Best regardsPmt (talk) 18:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

  1. No. A water resource as defined above is something different from a watershed.
  2. Oise basin (Q35086304) is a part of the Seine basin (Q2887515) but as watershed (P4614) is a subproperty of (P1647) our located on terrain feature (P706) property, itself a daughter of part of (P361), there is really no need to specify the relationship twice using part of (P361) on top of watershed (P4614).
  3. The Seine basin (Q2887515) is smaller than the area managed by Eau Seine Normandie. It is limited to the green part of this map. They also deal with the blue parts. Thierry Caro (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Located on terrain feature[edit]

Thanks for fixing, but a vandal destroyed your edits 15:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art[edit]

You seem to be on a roll. Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art could probably use a artwork id and artist id. Multichill (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

OK. But a bit later if you are OK. Maybe I'll deal with a few bigger ones first if I keep going. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
And Yale is more than 2000 works, see for example Foxhunting: The Few Not Funker (Q23731465). Multichill (talk) 21:18, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
@Multichill: I'll start this soon. Thierry Caro (talk) 06:45, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Still in the identifier business? We already have Web umenia creator ID (P4887) and probably a good plan to also do it for works. I imported about 15.000 works so plenty of usage, see for example Self-Portrait (Q50663345) (where I messed up the http and https). The format is$1 where $1 has a limit number of prefixes (overview) and it will redirect to$1 or$1 based on your browser settings. Multichill (talk) 17:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Please note[edit]

Thanks for your recent edits on Welsh buildings; do note, however, that Wales is a nation. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

described at URL[edit]

Hi Thierry, I noticed you are removing some claims of described at URL (P973) for some artworks like Portret of Joseph Benoît Suvée (Q21677829) Why are you doing this? This is not correct. Alina data (talk) 10:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Alina data: Hello. Such data is stored through Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) and BALaT image ID (P3293), as those are properties dedicated to doing this. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: No, not really. Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) was created for persistent URI's with /id/ in their syntax. These URI's identify the artwork itself and resolve you to a landing page. URI's with the syntax /data/ in them identify 'records about artworks' (different thing) and resolve you tot the record of the artwork published by the museum. The /data/ URI's were thus published by us as described at URL (P973) during our project. As Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) is a 'persistent identifier for an artwork from the collection of the Groeningemuseum in Bruges, Belgium' it should only store the /id/ URI's. Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) is temporary also storing /data/ because /id/ is not always working. But this will be changed in the future. I am following this up. Could you temporary leave the described at URL (P973) as it is? Thank you. Alina data (talk) 10:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
@Alina data: If the IDs are the same and then only the URL changes, you really shouldn't store them twice. Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) has two entries as its formatter URL (P1630), one ending with /data/ and the other with /id/, meaning that everything is covered by the specific property. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: These URL's stand for different concepts so they are different pieces of data which in my opinion both should be stored. We proposed Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) as a property for identification of artworks. Somebody decided that /data/ is also identification of artworks and added this syntax to the property which is not really our understanding. But maybe I should start this discussion on the page of Groeningemuseum work PID (P2282) and also push the museum to finally figure there technical problems out. Sorry. Alina data (talk) 10:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
@Alina data: Two properties or double storage would be OK if the perimeter of each URL system is significantly different. I don't know about these ones but if the ID are the same and the perimeters pretty much the same, then everything on Wikidata urges one to remove the described at URL (P973) declarations with no afterthought, whatever the rationale was when the property was created. On the other hand, if the perimeter varies importantly, I'd create a new property instead of using described at URL (P973) whatever. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:57, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Cairn author ID[edit]

Bonjour Thierry,

je viens de voir cette modification. Peux-tu STP m'expliquer comment il se fait que la propriété marche apparemment désormais aussi avec l'identifiant WD ??

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:08, 23 December 2017 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: C'est parce que j'ai modifié la structure de formatter URL (P1630) sur Cairn author ID (P4369). Le nom de la personne n'était pas nécessaire. Il fallait juste un peu de texte, n'importe lequel, et c'est ce rôle de joker que joue wd ici désormais, comme dans plusieurs autres formatter URL (P1630) sur Wikidata. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Super, tu penses qu'on peut faire pareil avec ma proposition d'ID pour les revues disponibles sur Cairn ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Non, là il n'y a rien à raccourcir. En général, c'est quand un identifiant se présente comme une combinaison de lettres et d'un nombre avant ou après ces lettres que l'on peut se débarrasser des lettres. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Entendu. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:48, 23 December 2017 (UTC).

Imported from is not a reference[edit]

Ahum. Multichill (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@Multichill: It is. See property constraint (P2302)used as reference constraint (Q21528959) on imported from Wikimedia project (P143). Thierry Caro (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Come on Thierry, you know well to only add "imported from" if you're actually importing data, not to add it to statements that someone else has added. Also see Help:Sources#Different types of sources. Multichill (talk) 17:12, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I was adding the data too, actually. So I guess it's OK. Plus it's really a detail that does not harm anybody. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
@Multichill: Pinged. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:16, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Doesn't the data have a source from where it come into mix-and-match? ChristianKl❫ 22:55, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I suppose this was first scrapped from the website itself. I personally did nothing more than download the IDs from Mix'n'match and import them here. Multichill did the same at the same time without imported from Wikimedia project (P143). My run came on his imports and added the small precision there. I suppose it's OK eventually. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:30, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Nominations JORF[edit]


j'ai eu l'idée de créer une propriété à partir du site Qu'en penses-tu ? Ça me paraît assez utile, notamment pour les items de hauts fonctionnaires, pour se retrouver dans le fatras de leurs diverses nominations. J'aimerais avoir ton avis avant de soumettre la proposition. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Personnellement, je ne vois pas de problème. C'est bien utile, en effet. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:07, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok, merci du conseil, je me lance. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:10, 25 December 2017 (UTC).
Salut Thierry. J'ai un petit problème, je ne retrouve pas ma proposition... J'aurais juré l'avoir bien renseignée sur Property proposal, pourtant RàS... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Wikidata:Property proposal/JORF appointments ID. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Merci ! La recherche n'est vraiment pas évidente pour tout ce qui est hors espace principal (par ex. les recherches de propriétés existantes via le moteur de recherche, ça marche une fois sur deux chez moi)... (Et en fait je n'avais bel et bien pas signalé cette proposition, vu que tu ne m'avais pas encore fait la remarque qu'il fallait le faire, cf. plus bas ; mea culpa.) Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Oui. Il faut remplir le champ topic = de chaque proposition dès son lancement. Pour trouver des propriétés, mais pas les propositions, tu peux entrer p:chien dans la barre de recherche puis lancer cette recherche : tu obtiens alors la liste des propriétés où apparaît le mot “chien”. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Yep, j'ai intégré ça, je tâcherai d'y penser à chaque nouvelle proposition.
Ok, merci pour le tuyau !
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC).

Au fait ! Là, je fais des éléments sur des énarques (je travaille par promotion). Ils ne sont pas tous stricto sensu dans les critères (mais ont tous a minima une notice !), mais je pense que ça a un vrai intérêt de rassembler des données sur les hauts fonctionnaires. Tu n'y vois pas d'inconvénient, toi ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Tu t'adresses au plus inclusionniste de tous les contributeurs de Wikipédia en français. Alors mon avis… Thierry Caro (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah oui, ça m'avait échappé ^^. Bon du coup, j'espère que je n'aurai pas un jour des problèmes avec un fâcheux suppressionniste...
Après, quand il y a vraiment zéro source centrée, je préfère éviter. P. ex. j'aimerais bien créer un item pour Guy Desbos, qui a donné son nom à une promotion de l'ENA, mais du coup je m'abstiens. (Cela dit ça pourrait peut-être passer en structural need.)
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: S'il est dans une base externe ayant un intérêt public, il n'y a pas à hésiter, honnêtement. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Oui, mais justement non. Comme il est mort jeune, à sa sortie de l'école et sans avoir fait carrière, il n'est pas répertorié dans LesBiographies. J'ai souvent des hésitations dans ce genre de cas et donc comme je te dis, je m'abstiens. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: OK. Mais sache que j'ai lu quelque part il y a quelques jours que quelqu'un a créé 300 000 entrées biographiques au cours du dernier mois. Si c'est vrai, nos scrupules sont absolument vains. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
La vache ! En effet... Si tu remets la main sur l'info., je suis intéressé ;). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC).

I need help[edit]

Hi user:Thierry Caro, i just found you by recent changes. i need help to put this link lccn-nr97-42696/ as worldcat id for Q5431330. but i can't, seems something wrong. --Rafic.Mufid (talk) 07:15, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rafic.Mufid: It's already there under Library of Congress authority ID (P244). Thierry Caro (talk) 07:26, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Création d'une propriété[edit]


c'est encore moi. Tu es créateur de propriétés, je crois ; aussi, pourrais-tu STP mettre au point Canal-U channel ID ? La discussion a excédé une semaine, et aucune opposition ne s'est manifestée.

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Tu as oublié de remplir le champ topic dans ta proposition, ce qui fait qu'elle n'a été listée nulle part, ce qui fait qu'on va prolonger un peu, pour que chacun puisse s'exprimer, maintenant que c'est corrigé. Thierry Caro (talk) 19:43, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok. Désolé ! Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:51, 28 December 2017 (UTC).

World of Spectrum property[edit]


Merci pour la création de World of Spectrum ID (P4705) :)

En créant le catalogue Mix’n’match, je me suis rendu compte que je me suis planté sur le format de l’identifiant: je croyais qu’il y avait toujours trois leading zéros dont on pouvait se passer ; mais en fait certains ids n’en ont que deux (eg 0016686)… et entre temps, je vois que tu as importé tout plein d’identifiants (merci!)…

Du coup je sais pas ce qui est le mieux:

  • saisir sans les zéros devant, mais l’URL doit quand même avoid du padding pour comporter 7 chiffres ;
  • saisir avec tous les zéros, mais il faut corriger tous les usages existants ;

Tu as une préférence ?

Merci :) Jean-Fred (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: J'ai créé la propriété comme la demande était formulée. Je n'ai pas de préférence. Peut-être que laisser tous les zéros serait plus simple pour le nouvel utilisateur, qui naturellement prendra toute la portion d'URL. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)



merci pour ton intervention dans la RA que j'ai lancée contre Georges ; je regrettes qu'elle ait été revertée. Mais c'était toi, sous IP ?

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: L'IP non, ce n'était pas moi. Quant à la suppression de mon message, elle pose problème et laisse entendre qu'on ne peut jamais plus témoigner. Très bien : la prochaine fois, car malheureusement il y en aura une, nous ferons donc une démarche groupée suite à une concertation préalable, peut-être. Ceci aura plus de poids et empêchera le détournement de la conversation sur la question de la légitimité des intervenants. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:55, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Island with an inception date[edit]

Hi Thierry,

I'm just looking at the island North Ronaldsay (Q1265993). I see you added an inception (P571) to this item. I think that date is actually referring to this item Dennis Head Old Beacon (Q5258500) and shouldn't be on the island itself. I don't see how an island could ever have an inception date. If you agree I will remove the inception claim from the island and add it to the lighthouse itself. Furthermore, a quick query shows another 31 islands located in Scotland that have an inception date. If you agree I will look at those as well as well. All the best. JerryL2017 (talk) 09:27, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@JerryL2017: Yes. No problem. Thank you for spotting this. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: thanks, that's all sorted now, inception dates removed from the Scottish islands and added to the relevant lighthouse, where it was absent. All the best JerryL2017 (talk) 10:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


It looks as though FossilWorks is using an older (or different) classification system for plants than what we have here or on Wikipedia and Wikispecies. The taxa do not match up among the bryophytes for example, where their "Bryophyta" corresponds to our "Bryophytes", and their "Bryopsida" corresponds to our "Moss"/"Bryophyta". --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

L'heure de la vengeance a sonné[edit]

Bon c'est moi qui a maintenant une propriété à faire créer avec Wikidata:Property proposal/breed. :P --Fralambert (talk) 01:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Propriété pour les notices du CHP ?[edit]

Salut Thierry,

j'aimerais entendre ton avis sur une idée de propriété que je viens d'avoir. En créer une pour les notices biographiques du Comité d'histoire de La Poste (il s'agit de notices fort riches et circonstanciées ; la "formatter URL" serait logiquement$1.pdf), est-ce pertinent ?

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Le seul problème potentiel vient de la population assez réduite d'une centaine d'entrées. Autrement, il ne devrait pas y avoir de problème. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Ah, je pensais qu'une centaine d'occurrences c'était pas mal pour une propriété (bon après, c'est vrai qu'aujourd'hui, tous les "biographiés" n'ont pas leur élément). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2018 (UTC).
Proposition lancée. Bonne soirée. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2018 (UTC).

"Deletion of items about “relatively unknown persons” on their own request"[edit]

Bonsoir Thierry,

que penses-tu de ceci ? Ce petit sondage n'a récolté que peu d'avis. Je trouve ça dommage car il me semble que c'est une question importante. Personnellement je trouve qu'initier cette possibilité de supprimer des items admissibles sur la requête des sujets est la porte ouverte à des dérives. Par ailleurs j'ai continué la discussion sur la PdD de MisterSynergy, mais j'ai un peu laissé tomber car j'ai le sentiment qu'elle tourne en rond...

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Je dirais que je suis totalement d'accord avec ta position. Les problèmes devraient être réglés propriété par propriété et non par une suppression globale. Et même au niveau des propriétés, il ne doit pas y avoir beaucoup de cas pour lesquels je serais favorable à une disparition brute de l'information déjà stockée. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:09, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Du coup je ne sais pas trop quoi faire, un de mes éléments a été supprimé comme ça, et la discussion à la suite de mon recours est dans l'ornière (puisqu'elle est maintenant archivée) ; c'est un peu frustrant. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 07:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Je pense qu'une façon de se prémunir contre de telles suppressions quand un débat est lancé serait de créer d'autres éléments voisins qui en feraient un élément dit “structurant”. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:03, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Oui, j'y ai pensé après coup. Mais n'y aurait-il pas un moyen d'initier un débat large sur cette question ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:25, 5 February 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Sur Wikipédia j'avais initié il y a bien longtemps Aide:Image vous concernant pour tenter de formaliser ce qui est faisable ou pas dans le cas un peu similaire d'une personne apparaissant en photo dans un article et souhaitant la voir retirée. Il faut peut-être un truc du genre ici sur la question qui nous préoccupe. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:35, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Je me suis qu'éventuellement, tu pourrais intervenir dans la discussion pour y mettre tes two cents ? Sait-on jamais, ça peut faire avancer le schmilblick. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:55, 11 February 2018 (UTC).

US Gymnastics HOF vs USA Gymnastics HOF[edit]

Hi there, since you proposed the USA Gymnastics Hall of Fame athlete ID (P4668) and U.S. Gymnastics Hall of Fame athlete ID (P4583) I thought I'd bring this up with you. It appears that P4583 points to, has now fallen out of DNS registration and seems to have always been an amateur/fan site, rather than an official one. It seems that P4668 is alive, more stable, and is probably what we should be using as a stable identifier. Do you think we should deprecate P4583? Here's a SPARQL query that shows how each one is being used.

#US gymnastics
SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel ?usaid ?usid 
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5 .
  { ?item wdt:P4668 ?usaid . OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P4583 ?usid } }
  { ?item wdt:P4583 ?usid . OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P4668 ?usaid } }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }

Try it!

-- Fuzheado (talk) 02:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Fuzheado: Hello and thank you. I guess it can probably be completely deleted. The stored IDs and the property itself. Thierry Caro (talk) 02:31, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


Hello. Ne serait-il pas possible de créer un ID pour les auteurs d'articles disponibles sur OpenEdition ? J'ai le sentiment que non, vu que les URL ne sont pas uniformes... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Si les URL varient, malheureusement on ne peut pas faire grand chose. S'il y a moins de trois structures différentes, on peut néanmoins peut-être envisager des propriétés différentes. Mais ce n'est pas pratique. 13:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)~
Ta notif n'avait pas marché. Ok, j'ai pensé la même chose. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC).

Usage des PdD[edit]

Bonjour, Thierry. Que penses-tu de ce genre de messages ? Il me semble qu'il s'agit d'un complet dévoiement de l'usage des PdD (sans compter que les propos tenus, même s'ils ne visent nommément personne, me semblent inacceptables). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:15, 26 February 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: C'est désagréable, en effet. Après, ne te fais pas trop de souci. Ce message n'est pas plus intéressant que ça. Je te conseille d'ignorer le tout s'il n'y a plus de mouvement désormais. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello Thierry. Merci pour ton soutien. Oui, c'est ce que m'a dit VIGNERON, et c'est ce que je tâcherai de faire. Mais hélas je ne crois pas un seul instant qu'elle va se calmer, et ne pas revenir à la charge, à l'issue de son blocage. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC).
Re ; pour information, je me suis permis de t'envoyer un courriel. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC).

Propriété à créer[edit]

Salut Thierry,

pourrais-tu STP créer l'une de ces deux propriétés ? Il n'y a eu respectivement qu'un seul et deux avis, cela dit une semaine est passée et aucune opposition ne s'est manifestée. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:15, 3 March 2018 (UTC).

✓ Done par Pintoch. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:30, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Identifiants Fédération française de football[edit]



Est ce que tu as prévu de faire une extraction des données ? Petro (talk) 14:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

@Petro: Bonjour. Pour le moment non, je suis occupé à autre chose. Pas avant au moins deux mois. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Bien, merci. Petro (talk) 16:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Bonjour à vous deux. Pour ma part j'en ai ajouté un peu manuellement, mais je n'ai malheureusement pas les compétences techniques pour faire cela (sinon je me ferais un plaisir de le faire !). Sebleouf (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Oui, c'est d'ailleurs pour cela que je t'ai notifié cette conversation. J'en ai saisi aussi mais autant s'éviter un travail rébarbatif et attendre l'extraction de Thierry. De toute façon, ça n'a pas l'air de passionner grand monde sur le projet Foot. Petro (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Petro: En fait, il me faudrait une page sur leur site web listant directement tous les joueurs passés. Or, ce qu'on a, c'est un champ de recherche qui nécessite de déjà connaître les noms que l'on cherche. Dans une telle configuration, je ne sais pas extraire les données et il faut donc ou bien faire tout à la main, ou bien se tourner vers un spécialiste s'il y en a un. Ou encore écrire à la fédération pour obtenir un tableau associant noms et identifiants. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Depths of lakes[edit]

Hi! As a follow-up up to this I'm letting you know that it was decided in a property proposal that vertical depth values for lakes should acquire qualifiers. As you might have an overview of what sort of values have been imported, then you also might be able to refine current values more easily. Currently there are nearly 9000 vertical depth values without qualifer for lakes, all of which I believe need fixing. 17:49, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

If you know how to use HarvestTemplates, then you can use the demo mode to harvest the current values in various Infobox. You can then use the download function to get the data in an Excel-like program where you can also put the current Wikidata values extracted from the link on the talkpage of the property. When you get a match between the two columns, you can import the missing qualifier through QuickStatements. I am going to be busy in the coming month. If you can't do that by yourself, come back to me and I'll do it around the middle of April. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
If you can take this task now, then this would be nice. 06:34, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey[edit]

WMF Surveys, 18:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

"Escape from Mr. Lemoncello's Library"[edit]

Please do not add IMDb MOVIE ids to entries about BOOKS. -- 21:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Reminder: Share your feedback in this Wikimedia survey[edit]

WMF Surveys, 01:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

IAFD person Ambiguity properties[edit]

Hi. I would like your opinion on the topic Wikidata:Project_chat#IAFD_person_Ambiguity_properties. Thanks.Guilherme Burn (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

problem to load template parameter to a property using pltools[edit]

hello Thierry, how are you?

We try to upload parameter from two templates in he-wikipedia(using this tool) but we can't because a condition violation. the first one is w:he:תבנית:פייסבוק parameter 1 (to Facebook profile ID (P2013)). the problem is that the parameter is a string but it need to be number (Property:P2013#P2302). Do you know a way to convert it to the correct form?
We have a similar issue with w:he:תבנית:ערוץ יוטיוב parameter 1 (to YouTube channel ID (P2397)). it is not in the regular expression UC[-_A-Za-z0-9]{21}[AQgw].

Any kind of help will be appreciate. - yona b (talk) 14:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@יונה בנדלאק: I'm no expert in URL formatting. I can't really help you with this one. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:08, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
ok. thank you any way. - yona b (talk) 09:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Islands in Kattegat[edit]

You have incorrectly (I believe) removed located on terrain feature (P706) from a number of islands in Kattegat including Anholt (Q216845). The german description for states "Gebiet oder Gewässer, in dem sich das Objekt befindet/das Ereignis stattfindet" and the british english "located on the specified landform or body of water", which makes the use of located on terrain feature (P706) appear quite appropriate here. Also lists such as depends on located on terrain feature (P706). Can you explain why you removed located on terrain feature (P706) from those islands?

@Hjart: Please use located in or next to body of water (P206) and located in or next to body of water (P206) only. It's the designated property for bodies of water. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
To me located in or next to body of water (P206) appears incorrect here. The german description for example sounds "liegt am Gewässer". which means "placed at the waterbody", not "in it".
Also note that states "Allowed values: landforms or bodies of water"
See also
Basically what I'm getting from is that located in or next to body of water (P206) should not be used for islands.
I've corrected what could be. Use located in or next to body of water (P206) please. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Changing existing documentation like that doesn't appear quite right to me. What's your basis for it?--Hjart (talk) 14:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm trying to match the different languages. It's OK then to change the labels and descriptions. You just have to check that the translation is fine enough. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Thierry Caro: Please note that infobokses already depend on existing Wikidata.
When you change the use of a property, it affects other Wikipedia-infoboxes as well. Please open a ticket before changing the use of an existing property. Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  17:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


Hi Thierry Caro,

Would you create these two: 1, 2. That would be most helpful. If you just click create, I can complete the other steps.
--- Jura 09:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jura1: ✓ Done. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Would you kindly do the same for this?
--- Jura 07:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Pour Histoire de la médecine, ça me parait effectivement prêt à être créé. Toutefois, pour divers raisons, je ne crée pas de propriétés pour des identifiants. Serait-ce possible de demander à un des 80 autres? Que penses-tu de ceci?
    --- Jura 04:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Positions des thèses de chartistes[edit]

Salut Thierry,

je rencontre un petit problème. Je viens de me rendre que le site de l'École des chartes était plus complet que le site connexe (qui est complet jusqu'à 2015) en ce qui concerne les positions de thèse des élèves diplômés : il va jusqu'à 2017. Et malheureusement, l'ID n'est pas le même : dans le cas du travail, on a "2000/baudez" dans le premier cas, mais "academie-imperiale-beaux-arts-saint-petersbourg-1757-1802" dans le second. Ne devrait-on pas envisager de remplacer le premier lien par le second (avec, comme formatter URL, ? Si oui, cette tâche étant un peu fastidieuse, puis-je requérir ton aide et/ou celle d'un bot ? Bien à toi. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: À mon avis, l'idée dans ce genre de situation est d'avoir ici les deux identifiants pour être le plus complet possible. Il faut donc une nouvelle propriété plutôt. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Ben les deux sites proposent le même texte. Donc, dans ce cas, je ne verrais pas trop l'intérêt. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC).
Tu trouveras des gens pour te dire que c'est utile malgré tout. Je ne peux t'aider que marginalement si tu interviens à la main mais je ferai mon possible. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok merci, je vais voir. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

Property island of location (P5130) in Suomenlinna (Q1292442)[edit]

Hi! I ran into these new definitions for islands and objects in Suomenlinna (Q1292442) that had been changed. The islands of Kustaanmiekka (Q5399296), Susisaari (Q16928377), Iso Mustasaari (Q11865193), Pikku-Musta (Q11888097), and Länsi-Musta (Q11880027) are now said to be island of location (P5130) of Suomenlinna (Q1292442). However, I find it difficult to realise that an island is located on another island. Earlier, the connection of the islands to Suomenlinna (Q1292442) was defined as part of (P361). The islands are part of (P361) the quarter (Q2983893) of neighbourhood of Helsinki (Q15715406), part of (P361) the fortress island (Q29968665) of Suomenlinna (Q1292442) and part of (P361) the Cultural heritage site of national significance (Q29966257) of Suomenlinna (Q1292442).

It is also how our Wiki Loves Monuments data was modelled. Wiki Loves Monuments lists areas of interest (Cultural heritage site of national significance (Q29966257)) which include objects of interest. These objects are not necessarily directly listed as heritage objects. Using part of (P361) was the way to include all objects within the se areas of interest. If island of location (P5130) was a better way, I would agree and change all our systems, but I think the change is for the worse.

It may also be necessary to split the meanings of Suomenlinna (Q1292442).

Thanks for your attention! Cheers, Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas) (talk) 05:20, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

@Susannaanas: Suomenlinna (Q1292442) being defined as an instance of (P31) fortress island (Q29968665) and fortress island (Q29968665) being a subclass of (P279) island (Q23442), an automated run has changed the property from part of (P361) to island of location (P5130) on Kustaanmiekka (Q5399296) and the likes. I agree this should be canceled. Once this is done, I guess island of location (P5130) is not that bad. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:47, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
I have also come to this conclusion! Cheers, Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas) (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Sports stadium properties ?[edit]

Hello Thierry Caro. I see that you do a lot of work in sports-properties. Do you happen to know if there are any external link-properties for sports-stadiums created yet ? Best regards Migrant (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

@Migrant: There's none. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, wonder why not there hasn't been anyone yet. But I would guess there are at least a couple of databases for speed skating arenas at and and for norwegian football arenas at and some world stadiums at and So what do you think of these databases for external links-properties or authority-profiles -properties ? -- Migrant (talk) 20:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@Migrant: I see no problem in someone creating this. It will be useful. I don't know why this hasn't been created before. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I like your answer, so a good start would probably the football-databases then ? Migrant (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
@Migrant: Yes. With the World Cup coming, it makes sense! Thierry Caro (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
So where should the proposals be posted at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports or at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place or at both ? BTW. I'm not sure how much these databases are used across wikipedia-languages and or if the databases has any wikipedia-specific templates for them to collecting them to wikidata. Migrant (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


Hi, I couldn't find a discussion. Why do you delete this property massively? --Infovarius (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Infovarius: Hello. See the talk page. I had imported alphabetical IDs instead of the required numerical ones. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


Salut Thierry ! À ton sens, peut-on lier Bérose (Q54913723) à cette notice BnF ? J'aurais tendance à dire que oui, mais d'aucuns pourraient objecter que le programme est un objet distinct ses réalisations (en l'occurrence, la base Bérose)... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Parfois – mais rarement tout de même – je fais ça, effectivement : je mélange allègrement les déclarations sur un élément qui parle en fait de deux choses différentes. Il faut peser le pour et le contre : le gain de temps réalisé en ne prenant pas la peine de créer un autre élément par rapport à la confusion générée par la juxtaposition de déclarations en fait destinées à être séparées à long terme. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:39, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
OK. Pour le coup, je m'abstiens. Je viens de voir que tu avais créé Bases littérature, riche idée. Par contre, si tu comptes refaire le tour de toutes les propriétés personne de WD pour voir lesquelles sont à ajouter au modèle, bon courage... Et si tu veux, on pourrait commencer à le déployer sur les articles des membres de l'Académie française : je m'étais "amusé" à référencer les ID des presque 740 immortels, il y a 2-3 mois. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 00:50, 12 June 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: On peut initier la littérature ou d'abord compléter la recherche en intégrant les propriétés pour les journaux et organismes. Si tu as une préférence, je peux m'aligner sur celle-ci. Je m'occupe déjà de développer la musique, par ailleurs. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:37, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
D'accord pour la littérature. Outre les académiciens, je ne suis pas sûr d'aller beaucoup plus loin, mais ce sera déjà pas mal. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: OK. On a donc fr:Modèle:Bases littérature qui est la première version, minimale mais déjà déployable. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Impec', je prends la Liste des membres de l'Académie française et je déploie. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC).

Bon, pour l'Académie c'est fait. Est-ce que tu comptes présenter Bases littérature au Bistro (il me semble que l'opération avait été utile et appréciée pour Bases recherche) ou veux-tu, dans le cas contraire, que je m'y colle ? J'aurais une question concernant Isidore ID (P4491). J'avais proposé la propriété il y a quelques mois, mais rétrospectivement je trouve cela relativement absurde : le fait que le site soit un moteur de recherche n'est pas rédhibitoire in se, mais dans beaucoup de cas il n'y a pas d'ID propre (c'est souvent une réutilisation de l'identifiant ISNI), et il y a plus d'une page par auteur (voire, plus rarement quand même, une seule page pour plusieurs auteurs). Aussi, penses-tu qu'il faille maintenir la propriété ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: J'ai remarqué que c'était bancal, en effet. On peut peut-être, d'autorité, réduire les valeurs acceptables par la propriété aux seuls identifiants qui se présentent effectivement comme tels, virant les URL complètes renvoyant à d'autres sites. Ce sera déjà ça de fait vers une forme de normalisation. Pour ce qui est de la littérature, je veux bien qu'on attende encore une semaine le temps d'intégrer un peu plus de trucs dedans, en particulier les propriétés sur la poésie en cours de discussion. Je n'ai pas l'impression que le modèle est formidable pour le moment ; en outre, c'est sans doute celui qui a la situation la plus précaire car il est proche du modèle dédié aux autorités dans son contenu : certaines propriétés affichées sont en fait des prospects pour cet autre modèle et il faudrait étudier attentivement les différents contenus des bases externes pour bien répartir ici ou là les liens à faire afficher. Après, si tu veux le faire tout de suite, pas de problème non plus. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Note. Je pense que dans les semaines qui viennent je lancerai également politique et cinéma/audiovisuel. Ce dernier sera aussi lourd à construire que celui sur le sport. Thierry Caro (talk) 04:48, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Très bonne idée que de réduire Isidore aux seuls identifiants réels, tu saurais comment faire ?
D'accord pour le reste. Cela dit, à ma connaissance, il n'y a pas de doublon entre les bases (du moins je n'en ai pas rencontré) ; et puis j'imagine que tu y fais attention. Par ailleurs, on peut en effet attendre que le modèle soit plus complet pour le présenter à la communauté.
Pour ce qui est des deux autres bases, je pourrai éventuellement t'aider un peu, fais-moi signe le cas échéant. Après, fais attention à ce que des casse-pieds ne viennent pas te dire "Mais le cinéma, c'est de l'art !" (Il faudrait peut-être préciser "beaux-arts" pour Bases art).
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 10:12, 16 June 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Pour Isidore, je peux le faire mais mieux vaut demander confirmation sur le Bistro (francophone de Wikidata). Comme c'est du retrait de données, mieux vaut être précautionneux. Et puisque l'on discute de tout, je me demande s'il ne faut pas passer Dictionary of Art Historians ID (P2332) de Template:Arts links (Q45312151) à Template:Research links (Q54913733). Un avis ? Thierry Caro (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, j'y laisse un message. Pour le dico, c'est un cas tangent (je vois du pour et du contre de chaque côté) donc je ne saurais trop dire, désolé...
À propos, ce n'est pas le cas ici, mais je suis sceptique vis-à-vis de l'intégration (éventuelle, donc) de bases qui sont le pendant numérique d'un ouvrage papier, car il y a potentiellement un risque de redondance avec la section Bibliographie des articles (un exemple pris au hasard, Bargeton ID (P4906) qui est la version en ligne de Dictionnaire biographique des préfets (septembre 1870-mai 1982) (Q41975526)) ; tu es d'accord avec moi, sur le principe ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Personnellement, j'aime bien qu'on remette tous les liens utiles à la fin. Donc ceux qui renvoient à des ouvrages papier aussi, en fait. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, à voir si le cas se présente ;). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC).
Au fait, si jamais je te notifie/sollicite trop, n'hésite surtout pas à me le faire savoir (je crains d'être un peu lourd). Bonne nuit ! Nomen ad hoc (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2018 (UTC).
C'est bon, pas de problème. Pour info : comment intervenir sur Isidore ID (P4491) ? On va sur la page de discussion de la propriété puis dans Utilisations actuelles. On lance la requête, on va dans Télécharger et on choisit par exemple Fichier CSV pour travailler les données sous Excel ou équivalent. Ensuite il faut savoir utiliser Quickstatements dans sa deuxième version. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:12, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, il va vraiment falloir que je me mette sérieusement à tous ces outils ^^. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 23:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC).

Tout compte fait, et après y avoir réfléchi : je mettrais le Dictionnaire des historiens de l'art dans Bases recherche. Il me paraît plus logique de réserver les propriétés liées à l'art aux créateurs. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC).


Hi Thierry, could you give me your opinion? Do you think that would be possible create a autority control for Amphibian Species of the World (Q2844175)? I ask this because it has a complex iD, and I don't know if exists any rule that prohibits it. Look an example: Pseudopaludicola restinga (Q54877706) But I think ASW a good autority control and has so many informations of the taxonomy of amphibian species, being useful create a property for this. Mr. Fulano! Talk 23:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

@Mr. Fulano: When the URL is really long, just like this one, some users during the proposal discussion may suggest to change the datatype from external-id to URL. If this is adopted, you'll have to use the full URL of a page as its ID, just like users of LinkedIn personal profile URL (P2035) do, for instance. Otherwise, everything should be fine. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:07, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'll create a proposal. But, can you help me to create a regex, because I don't understand so much this? Mr. Fulano! Talk 00:16, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
@Mr. Fulano: I do not master this either. Someone who takes part in the vote might add it if you live it blank. It happens quit often. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
✓ Done Wikidata:Property proposal/Amphibian Species of World ID. Mr. Fulano! Talk 01:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Création de propriétés[edit]

Salut ! Pourrais-tu STP créer pour la propriété pour les membres de l'Académie des beaux-arts, et celle pour ceux de l'ASMP ?

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC).

Merci ! Par contre, je ne sais pas si on peut dire que l'ASMP est un cénacle de chercheurs... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC).
Au passage, je me suis rendu compte que l'Académie des beaux-arts avait un nouveau site, beaucoup plus moderne (bizarre qu'ils conservent l'ancien tel quel...). J'ai donc modifié la formatter URL et la page source. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC).

Classiques des sciences sociales[edit]

Salut Thierry.

Je me suis fait la réflexion qu'on pourrait avoir une propriété pour les auteurs référencés sur le site des Classiques des sciences sociales. Seulement voilà : les auteurs sont divisés en classiques et contemporains. Je pense qu'on peut i) avoir une propriété unique, mais on risque d'avoir des identifiants uniques ; ii) avoir deux identifiants ; iii) se contenter des "classiques" proprement dits.

Du coup, aurais-tu un avis là-dessus ?

Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: As-tu vu ceci ? Il faut deux propriétés à mon avis. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Tiens, non, je n'avais pas vu ! Comme quoi, les grands esprits se rencontrent (ou pas) :D. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:24, 27 June 2018 (UTC).

Salut, je me suis dit qu'on pourrait élargir Bases politique à l'administration (en mettant comme description "Bases de données relatives à l'administration ou la politique") : comme ça on pourrait y intégrer ID (P4434) (et peut-être quelques autres bases utiles) sans encombre (plus de PB de délimitation). Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: Oui, pas de problème. Par contre il faudrait essayer de garder l'intitulé de la catégorie collectrice court, autrement ce ne sera pas aisé de la retrouver. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Serait-il possible de créer une redirection "Bases administration" ? Je ne sais pas faire. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
Oui. Par ailleurs, j'ai modifié le court message qui s'affiche avant la série de liens. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Très bien. Du coup, pense à utiliser de préférence "Bases administration" pour les hauts fonctionnaires qui n'ont pas fait de politique active ;).
Je reste un peu dubitatif pour les notices CESE. Mais bon, on devrait pouvoir trouver un pis-aller, à terme ^^.
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Mmmh. Je te déconseille – mollement – de déployer volontairement des redirections cependant, sauf si à moyen terme on est à peu près certain qu'il y aura scission – ce serait alors une façon de s'épargner un nouveau passage dans quelques mois. Or, personnellement, je ne pense pas qu'une telle scission arrivera de sitôt car il n'y a pas suffisamment de bases pour l'administration et parce que l'idée de ces modèles est tout de même de simplifier au maximum le choix des liens externes. Peut-être doit-on plutôt changer l'intitulé de tout ce qui existe sous l'intitulé politique vers vie publique, ou autre chose du même tonneau ? Thierry Caro (talk) 09:41, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
D'accord, je ne savais pas qu'il y avait des inconvénients. Ce changement d'intitulé me va. Ça aurait en outre le gros avantage de neutraliser le problème du CESE. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
Préviens-moi quand tu auras fait le changement. Je pourrai peut-être t'aider à changer les libellés dans les articles dans la soirée. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Tu n'as pas mieux, on est bien d'accord ? Il faut réfléchir à deux sujets voisins : journalisme et droit. Je pense qu'on pourra avoir un modèle pour les médias d'une part et peut-être rien que le droit d'autre part. Mais il faut qu'on réfléchisse bien. Si OK, oui, je changerai d'ici ce soir. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Non, je te confirme que je ne vois pas mieux. Pour le droit, je pense qu'il vaut mieux le laisser avec Bases recherche, pour l'instant. Une base médias s'impose en effet, par contre ; il faudrait réfléchir à ses contours : une base unique, ou diverses bases pour la presse écrite, la radio, etc. ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
Ah, je vois que tu utilises Cleanup, impeccable. Quid de la base médias, alors ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
Il va nous falloir un modèle pour le cinéma et il y a en l'occurrence énormément d'identifiants. Mais les séries télé sont tellement proches que je pense les intégrer dans ce même modèle, peut être sous le nom de Bases audiovisuel. Tout le reste du champ médiatique – radio, télévision, etc. – ira sans doute dans une Bases médias. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Je vais en outre laisser passer une semaine ou deux avant de nouvelles propositions de propriétés parce que j'en ai déjà pas mal à peupler. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, ça marche ! Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC).


Re. Pourrais-tu STP créer la propriété Élysée ? On pourra l'ajouter à la base Vie publique, comme ça. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC).

Deux nouvelles bases : comment les nommer ?[edit]

J'ai découvert deux bases extrêmement intéressantes :

Problème, je ne sais pas du tout comment nommer mes propositions de propriété. Faut-il reprendre le nom complet de chacune des deux bases (long et fastidieux) ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:08, 7 July 2018 (UTC). PS : il existe aussi un répertoire des profs de la Faculté des arts de Paris aux XVIIe et XVIIIe, mais ça m'intéresse moins, et je ne suis pas trop chaud pour m'en occuper.

@Nomen ad hoc: C'est un vrai problème. Identifiant LARRA d'un docteur et d'un professeur peut-être. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Ou alors le début de l'URL. Du type identifiant Thierry Caro (talk) 14:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Non, ça ne conviendrait pas pour les docteurs, puisque le début de l'URL correspond à celui du site-ressource.
Et c'est *LARHRA, pour Laboratoire de recherche historique Rhône-Alpes ; je vais plutôt faire ça, merci de l'idée.
Maintenant, il faudra réfléchir au nom qu'on leur donnera dans Bases recherche ;).
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:22, 7 July 2018 (UTC).
J'aime que les deux correspondent, histoire de faciliter la navigation et les recherches. Mais ce n'est pas toujours possible. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Finalement je prends plutôt "RHE", le sigle du site-ressource maintenu par le laboratoire, c'est plus précis.
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

Tu connais ? Leurs ressources ont l'air intéressantes, mais je n'arrive pas à déterminer s'il s'agit de chercheurs ou de particuliers... D'autre part ça pourrait peut-être intéresser Bases littérature. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

Je ne connais pas. Je note aussi qu'il va être difficile de faire un identifiant simple avec leur URL. De fait, ce sont plus des articles que des notices et les titres s'en ressentent, ce qui fait des adresses à rallonge. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Ils ont bien des notices, mais je ne comprends toujours pas d'où ça sort. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC).

J'ai essayé de créer (enfin) un catalogue Mix n' Match pour la date des docteurs, mais ça n'a pas marché :(, tant pis... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC).

@Nomen ad hoc: En utilisant ceci ? Il faut bien suivre les instructions. Notamment le format – UTF-8 - ou encore l'absence de doublons parmi les identifiants. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

peninsula of location[edit]

Hi Thierry Caro. I created Wikidata:Property proposal/peninsula of location similar to Property:P5130 (island of location). Can you support it? 15:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Scottish Poets Library[edit]

Why have you marked a number of Scottish Poets Library entries in [9] as "Not applicable to Wikidata"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Because Mix'n'match doesn't have an 'I've checked this and there's no matching item on Wikidata yet' button. I wish it would exist! Thierry Caro (talk) 22:42, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
That's not what "Not applicable to Wikidata" is for; it's for items where there should never be a Wikidata item. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:30, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: I know. Still, there are various catalogues where it has been used the way I've just described. We should probably suggest that 'I've looked and haven't found a matching item' button. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
If you know that, then I don't undertand why you are editing in that manner. Please stop. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
As the guy running Mix'n'match: N/A means this can never ever be a vaild item. This may include know duplicates within the same catalog. Please do not use N/A for any other purpose. If you see it used for another purpose somewhere, please let me know or, even better, reset it to "unmatched". Thanks. --Magnus Manske (talk) 11:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Thierry, I just checked, and you have abused the N/A flag over 4300 times on Mix'n'match. That is completely unacceptable. --Magnus Manske (talk) 11:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
@Magnus Manske: Do you think we can have this feature I was mentioning? We should probably be able to say (maybe only to ourselves) that we are sure that there is no Wikidata item yet but that it may exist later. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
What I mean is the way I'm using it is potentially more useful to the day-to-day user than the current feature (that should still stay in the upgraded version, if there is one) because the latter comes handy only when the database is somehow flawed. The need to store progress through the review of unmatched IDs is a permanent one. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
I used to have that feature, canned "No Wikidata", you can see its remains in some catalogs (example). Now there are >12K entries in that catalog that noone ever looks at again. I could reset them to "Unmatched", but then why tag them in the first place? That's why I removed that feature; entries are either not applicable for Wikidata, already on Wikidata, or not on Wikidata YET. --Magnus Manske (talk) 07:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Magnus Manske: I didn't know it had existed. I would totally use it if it came back. Creating items take time and it's a completely different operation than just checking whether it exists. One needs to leave Mix'n'match for at least a minute and start filling declarations here before eventually returning there to start again on another entry. While checking whether it already exists is really a matter of 1 to 10 seconds, which allows chain work on Mix'n'match. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Du consensus[edit]

Salut. Comment interprètes-tu le "consensus" requis pour que les propositions de propriété aboutissent ? Je vois qu'Artcyclopedia est en rade alors qu'il y a eu une majorité d'avis favorables ; ce qui aussi le cas d'une autre de mes propositions. Sur WP, le consensus, relatif, diffère de l'unanimité et se rapporte plutôt à une forte majorité. Ce n'est pas la même chose, ici ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC).

Il y a tellement peu de votants que deux oppositions valent plus ou moins l'enterrement d'une proposition. On peut les retirer complètement de soi-même ou se lancer dans une reformulation complète mais en gros oui, ce qui est contesté deux fois est plus ou moins condamné à ne pas exister ou au moins à n'être créé qu'après un gros semestre sans activité. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, je vois...
Autre chose : pour ce qui est des Nobel, on pourrait AMHA créer un identifiant pour chacun des prix, puis les répartir entre les bases Littérature et Recherche ; qu'en penses-tu ? (Pour ce qui est de la proposition, je rechigne à m'y lancer personnellement, faute d'être sûr de pouvoir déployer la propriété dans une semaine.) Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: Pour les Nobel, on a déjà Nobel prize ID (P3188) (et d'ailleurs Nobel Prize People Nomination ID (P3360)). Toutes les disciplines tombent donc sous la même propriété, ce qui fait que c'est peut-être plutôt pour Autorité. Je suis d'accord que si c'était à refaire, j'aurais suggéré de séparer les disciplines. Thierry Caro (talk) 02:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
C'est vrai, je n'avais pas vu l'identifiant unique. Ne pourrait-on pas proposer ce changement quelque part ? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: J'ai fait ça. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:02, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Cool ! Merci.
Par ailleurs, je croise les doigts pour qu'il n'y ait pas dégâts collatéraux après les discussions du jour au Bistro...
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2018 (UTC).
Oui, j'ai eu tendance à créer ces modèles en balançant dedans tout ce qu'il y a de disponible ici pour montrer ce qui est faisable. Les gens vont vouloir retirer des trucs, ce qu'on va sans doute faire ici ou là, mais le déploiement devrait pouvoir continuer. En introduisant des liens vers du contenu centré, on aide quand même vachement à la qualité, surtout sur les petits articles où il n'y avait rien du tout avant. Bon, et autrement tu es pas chaud pour Babelio ? Mais moi il me va bien le pauvre ! Thierry Caro (talk) 16:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Évidemment... Le site est sympa, j'y vais de temps à autre, mais ça me chiffonne toujours de donner des liens vers des sites où n'importe qui peut écrire des bêtises, sans que ce soit contrôlé (tu me diras que c'est pareil pour Academic WikiTree, mais bon, qui ira insérer - à moins d'être vraiment tordu... - de faux directeurs de thèse là-dedans ^^ ?).
Je me dis aussi qu'il faut peut-être faire cette condition à la communauté pour ramener le calme... Peut-être est-ce une faiblesse de ma part...
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC).
Par contre, car on interroge la pertinence d'un site de valeur comme Who Named It?, ça me dépasse assez. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC).
En fait, pour moi, pas de problème car Babelio est présent de longue date sur Wikipédia via des centaines, des milliers de liens. Je viens de mettre un mot sur le Bistro à ce sujet. Je vais te dire le site du même genre qui selon moi bénéficie davantage de sa présence dans le nouveau modèle. C'est Goodreads. Mais j'espère que tu ne lui tomberas pas trop dessus ! C'est celui que j'utilise, en plus. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah ben je ne savais même que Goodreads était collaboratif, en fait x). (Je l'utilise aussi...)
Non, promis, je m'abstiendrai de le critiquer !
Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC).
Au bout d'un certain nombre d'ajouts pour ton propre compte, tu peux demander un statut de librarian, que j'ai et qui s'obtient facilement, et qui te permet de changer n'importe quoi à peu près impunément. Bon, en même temps je n'ai pas essayé de mettre des trucs faux… Thierry Caro (talk) 16:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


Why are you adding random people names to Wikidata without any source? See for example If you got more information, why not add it aswell. If you don't have more information, why add the item at all? --Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 19:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Sotho Tal Ker: See here. He will have an external ID in a few hours when Wikidata:Property proposal/Historia de la Medicina ID is created. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)