Property talk:P19

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place of birth
most specific known (e.g. city instead of country, or hospital instead of city) birth location of a person, animal or fictional character
Description Place where a person was born
Represents place of birth (Q1322263), maternity hospital (Q958822)
Data type Item
Template parameter |birth_place= in en:Template:Infobox person
Domain human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074) and animal (Q729)
Allowed values place (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Usage notes 가장 구체적인 장소만 값으로 기재합니다. 즉, 태어난 도시만 알려졌으면 해당 도시 항목을 입력하지만, 태어난 병원이나 장소도 알려졌으면 도시 대신 해당 병원/장소 항목을 값으로 입력합니다.
Example Julius Caesar (Q1048)Rome (Q220)
Elena Kagan (Q11105)New York City (Q60)
Jimmy Carter (Q23685)Lillian G. Carter Nursing Center (Q6548118)
Gioachino Rossini (Q9726)Casa Rossini (Q3661158)
Tracking: same no label (Q42533338)
Tracking: usage Category:Pages using Wikidata property P19 (Q19684010)
Tracking: local yes, WD no Category:Articles with Template:Bio and place of birth (LuogoNascita) not in Wikidata, but available on Wikipedia (Q23981597), Category:Articles with Template:Bio and place of birth (LuogoNascitaLink) not in Wikidata, but available on Wikipedia (Q23981599)
See also category for people born here (P1464), place of death (P20), date of birth (P569)
Lists
Proposal discussion Property proposal/Archive/1#P19
Current uses 1,786,057
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Single value: this property generally contains a single value.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#single value, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): offense (Q1456832), Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Conflicts with P31, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Property “country (P17)” declared by target items of “place of birth (P19): If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “country (P17)”.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Target required claim P17, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
Qualifiers “country (P17), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), statement is subject of (P805), sourcing circumstances (P1480): this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Type “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074), animal (Q729): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074), animal (Q729)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Type Q5, Q95074, Q729, SPARQL
Item “sex or gender (P21): Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Item P21, SPARQL
Value type “geographical object (Q618123), fictional location (Q3895768), mythical place (Q24334893): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value geographical object (Q618123), fictional location (Q3895768), mythical place (Q24334893) (or a subclass thereof).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Value type Q618123, Q3895768, Q24334893, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia permanent duplicated page (Q21286738): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P19#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
Pictogram voting comment.svg Items with P19 = "no value" (P31=Q5)
People are all born at some place
Violations query: SELECT ?item WHERE { ?item p:P19/a wdno:P19 ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 } LIMIT 100
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P19#Items with P19 = "no value" (P31=Q5)
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Discussion[edit]

Qualifiers[edit]

The property place of birth (P19) defines the most specific place i.e. city. However, it would be good to know what was the country at the time. The history of Europe (Q46) is full of events, and the borders (border (Q133346)) were changed frequently. So I propose to use country (P17) as a qualifier in the property to let it know. The example I did can be seen in Frédéric Chopin (Q1268). Is it a good idea or not? Paweł Ziemian (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. How can it place of birth (P19) be modified in that sense? Tom Paine (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

What is a geographical feature?[edit]

Edits such as [1] Tamawashi added about 480 thousands restriction violations [2] because all the most common types are no longer correct, for instance 269209 values corresponding to a city are no longer classified as geographical features. What to do? --Nemo 15:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I replaced geographical object (Q618123) to geographic location (Q2221906). Lets wait for the report update. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Muuch better! Thanks. --Nemo 09:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
User:Nemo_bis - It seems that [1] removed items from the subclass tree of "geographical feature". The tree is now "human geographic territorial entity" -> "geographic territorial entity" (2D) -> "geographic region" (2D, 3D) -> "geographical feature". Anyway, Q2221906 "geographic location" looks much better. Tamawashi (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
He changed the constraint to something that most values respect. --Nemo 06:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

method[edit]

The Swedish registry of course collects information about this. The problem is that the filed location normally is where the mother of the child lived, or more exactly, where she was filed in the registry-books when the birth took place. Princess Estelle, Duchess of Östergötland (Q214025) was born at Karolinska University Hospital (Q1734280), a hospital. But the registry-information records of where her mother lived when she gave birth, is in this case Haga Palace (Q5574523). I guess we need some kind of qualifier to denote what kind of "birth place" is recorded. This is a constant issue of debate on svwp, so I would appreciate a simple solution for this. (Me, myself is an example when such information gives strange results. I was born at a hospital in the neighbor city, my mother had her registry filed at her parents house outside of town, but she actually lived with my father in the town.) -- Innocent bystander (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Similar situation for Chinese peoples was resolved by creating separate property: ancestral home (P66). — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
When I read the article, the Chinese "ancestral home" looks more connected to the origin of somebodies family, than to the place of birth? That makes it more natural as a separate property, than the Swedish registry-model does. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)