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Help needed with problem images or items[edit]

c:Category:Artworks_with_mismatching_structured_data_P6243_property contains files with Structured data on Commons (SDC) digital representation of (P6243) properties which are different from what the file is linked through through wikidata property of c:template:Artwork. I was working for some time checking those and many are clear mistakes in either wikidata property of c:template:Artwork or with SDC's P6243, in some cases two items are correct and need to be merged, sometimes wrong image was added to one of the items for which we did not have correct image. For all those reasons it take a while to untangle some of those cases and I would appreciate if some experienced users help with some of them. Thanks --Jarekt (talk) 01:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Multichill: can you look at your Q21614463 and Q21614466 they seem the same to me but they are based on different "KMSKA work PIDs", which I can not access. --Jarekt (talk) 02:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
@Jarekt: late reply. Looks like every part of the triptych has an inventory number?
Looking at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Royal Museum of Fine Arts Antwerp I think I figured it out. The Adoration of the Magi Triptych (Q21614459) (208-210) is about the whole thing, we have three items for the three parts (208, 209, 210) and we have two items for the back (209bis and 210bis). Multichill (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

painting on a moveable support (Q20900710)[edit]

Should this subclass of painting (Q3305213) be used or replaced with its parent?

I don't really see an advantage of some items using this while most others just use "painting". Fresco are generally marked otherwise anyways. --- Jura 10:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Agree - it might be useful to have some property to indicate the other way around, for paintings that seem to be moveable but are designated immovable due to donation restrictions, religious restrictions, or physical fragility, etc. Jane023 (talk) 10:37, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
@Jura1: To me painting (Q20900710) is closer to panel (Q1348059). I think the word "portable" in english label doesn't help to understand the meaning of the related articles. Agree with your proposal.
@Jane023: The property to inform movement restrictions you mentioned, I think is use restriction status (P7261).
Thanks to ping me. Amadalvarez (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • BTW it was created as "tableau, peinture sur un support mobile"@fr which would oppose it to those created by mural painting(Q63425235). --- Jura 10:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I think we can merge Q20900710 and Q3305213. Vargenau (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
No I wouldn't merge it but just re-use it in the literal sense, such as here File:Moving Rembrandt's 'Nightwatch'.jpg. Jane023 (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
I didn't come near painting (Q20900710) because I think most works using it don't come close to the quality standards we use. Looks like it got merged, I hope some people will spend time on cleaning out the different reports. Multichill (talk) 22:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Finding Asian Art[edit]

Quite a bit of art from Asian countries like China, India and Japan ended up in collections outside of Asia. I updated my bot to add location of creation (P1071) to works for which an Asian country is known. See for example Su Dongpo in a Borrowed Hat (Tōba tairyū zu) (Q78610117), Hanuman in His Tantric Five-Headed Pancha Mukha Form (Q78607253) and Worship of Lord Jagannatha in His Temple at Puri (Q78607334). I hope this increases the discoverability of these works. @Fuzheado, Wittylama: you brought this up, please spread the word. Multichill (talk) 13:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Multichill Thanks for doing this. Is there a reason you used location of creation (P1071) for India (Q668), Japan (Q17), etc., instead of country of origin (P495)? While an item can have both properties,It's my understanding that P1071 is intended to be used more for cities or areas more specific than nations. -Animalparty (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
To have one consistent way to indicate where a work was made. Worst case: Earth (Q2), slightly worse: Asia (Q48), better: India (Q668), best: most specific location. Multichill (talk) 19:38, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Europeana Entity[edit]

  1. Europeana entity (P7704) is created and > 100 000 artists(agents) has been matched with WIkidata see T240290
  2. Places and concepts has not been matched yet ( I am not convinced that the Europeana approach is the best using geonames)
  3. I can see that working with Things(entities) instead of strings need a new level of change management. Example metadatadebt:
    1. Europeana reference > 1200 deleted WD objects see T240738
    2. I see no version history at Europeana and change management tools for coordinate problems between platforms see T240809 were it looks like Europeana has matched objects created by "Gunnar Wennerberg" to Gunnar Wennerberg (Q1388588) that I guess is created by Gunnar Gunnarsson Wennerberg (Q6339160)
    3. Europeana also need a workflow of creating new Agents like Gunnar Gunnarsson Wennerberg (Q6339160) and Wikidata need a change stream from Europeana so we can update Wikidata
    4. People whos works are likely in the public domain 2020
      1. search for people who died in 1949 sorted by number of Wiki articles (linkcount) and if they have an Europeana Entity

My believe is that Wikidata <-> Europeana has a huge potential now when they get stable persistent entities.... If someone could help Europeana define change management and define how Europeana and Wikidata better can corporate that would be excellent... The most intresting part in this equation I feel is if Wikidata creates new properties for archives and museums and starts to match them using OpenRefine / Mix'n'match then Europeana could use this Wikidata information to match the Europeana objects to the right person easier so we avoid things like T240809. What I have seen in Sweden is that Linked data is not mature and archives still 2019 have no good change management and are moving around text strings which just will end in chaos... Hopefully Wikipedia with its visibility and Europeana with its resources could change this equation a little bit... I guess the key component is better understanding for data driven culture data.... - Salgo60 (talk) 03:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

sitter (P2634)[edit]

The use and purpose of sitter (P2634) is being discussed at Property talk:P2634#Purpose of this property. Feel free to contribute. -Animalparty (talk) 22:11, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

2020 PD day[edit]

James Ensor is now in public domain, and we have quite some work here: Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Creator/James Ensor. We probably have other such lists of painters who went to PD as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Here's a SPARQL query that gives all people that are creator (P170) of at least one painting on Wikidata and have died in 1949. Husky (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
select distinct ?person ?personLabel (sample(?died) as ?died) where {
  ?person wdt:P570 ?died.
  ?painting wdt:P170 ?person;
            wdt:P31 wd:Q3305213.
  filter (?died < "1950-01-01T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime && ?died >= "1949-01-01T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
} group by ?person ?personLabel ?died order by ?personLabel
Try it!
Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:31, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
@Ymblanter, Husky: yes, quite a few. Multichill (talk) 17:40, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Nice, some pretty good images! Husky (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Museums in Paris release 100.000 scans of CC0 images[edit]

This might be of any interest. (Source; link) Veverve (talk) 11:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

(Copied from c:Commons:Village_pump) --Jarekt (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
@Jarekt: See also http://www.parismusees.paris.fr/fr/actualite/open-content-plus-de-100-000-oeuvres-des-collections-des-musees-de-la-ville-de-paris-en . It's a partnership with Wikimedia France and they're working on getting the content on Commons too. I might add the missing paintings to Wikidata at some point if that doesn't get picked up by the French users. Multichill (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Catalog of American Portraits vs National Portrait Gallery (US)[edit]

I recently created Catalog of American Portraits (Q84431546) which is an index of some 200,000 portraits in the National Portrait Gallery (Q1967614) as well as portraits in other institutions and private collections ([1][2]). The property National Portrait Gallery (United States) object ID (P6152), as described and structured, is exclusive only to works within the National Portrait Gallery, however, P6152 also works for non-NPG paintings in the Catalog of American Portraits, albeit with an error message. See for example Mrs. Richard Peters (Abigail Willing) (Q20170064). Would it be prudent to create a new property ID for the Catalog of American Portraits, or should we expand the scope of the existing property? If this is a major change, this discussion can move to the main Wikidata talk page. -Animalparty (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Animalparty, I think Mrs. Richard Peters (Abigail Willing) (Q20170064) uses National Portrait Gallery (United States) object ID (P6152) properly. If items from other Galleries can be found in NPG database, so be it and we do not need new property for it. If that use, violates some constraints than the constraints have to be relaxed or removed. That should be discussed at that property talk page. --Jarekt (talk) 01:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Dashboard for analyze completeness of creators and collections[edit]

Multichill (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC), focus on the Netherlands Husky (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC) - Cool, i'd like to focus on building tools to visualise progress. Spinster (talk) 07:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC) Happy to help with manual finetuning that can't be done by bots, and anything else on the 'soft/wet' side of this project. I'm dreaming of complete artists' oeuvres on Wikidata! Rich Farmbrough (talk) Time to learn2Wikidata Jheald (talk) 12:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC) Kippelboy (talk) 07:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC) (Focus on Catalan paintings (subdivision of Spain) Mushroom (talk) 12:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Jane023 (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC) work on Dutch 17th-century paintings and landscapes of Haarlem; Most recently, the sum of all "attributed" paintings by Frans Hals, which is nearly done Missvain (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2014 (UTC) (talk) 13:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC) Zolo (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC) Beat Estermann (talk) 10:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC) (Focus on Swiss heritage institutions) Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC) KRLS (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC) (Focus on Catalan area museums) DivadH (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC) ,happy to help out with any questions in regards to the Europeana API, how to best query it, and/or our metadata Xcia0069 (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC), Work on data related to Gianlorenzo Bernini and Artemisia Gentileschi. Work at Europeana too ! Susannaanas (talk) 07:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC) Wittylama (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2015 (UTC) Fabrice Florin (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC) I can help in California later this year. Vaughn88 (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC) I can help! Raymond Ellis (talk) 19:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Hsarrazin (talk) 14:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC) - will give a hand with Creators and AC :) louis-garden (talk) 14:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC) for italian paintings (XIIe-XVIIe) Olivier (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Kopiersperre (talk) 11:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC) ProtoplasmaKid (talk) 03:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC) Micru (talk) 11:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Stuart Prior (WMUK) (talk) 11:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC) Hannolans (talk) 23:14, 22 October 2016 (UTC) Geraki (talk) 09:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC) (Focus on Greece) PatHadley (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC) MartinPoulter (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC) Working to get data from the University of Oxford (Q34433) and its component institutions shared on Wikidata. Pablísima (talk) 18:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC) Carl Ha (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2017 (UTC) Marsupium (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Shani Evenstein (talk) 10:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC) Nasty nas (talk) 07:45, 24 August 2017 (UTC) Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2017 (UTC) Joalpe (talk) 18:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC) Sarasays (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC) Thierry Caro (talk) 07:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC) John Samuel 18:29, 21 December 2017 (UTC) Jklamo (talk) 12:06, 31 December 2017 (UTC) Reosarevok (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC), focus on Estonia Ambrosia10 (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Subsublibrary (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Martingggg (talk) 07:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC), focus on Argentine and Hispanic America Kruusamägi (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC), focus on Estonia SIryn (talk) 10:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC) Jarekt (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2018 (UTC), focus on moving metadata from Commons to Wikidata Walkuraxx (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Omotecho (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC), focus on Japan GualdimG (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC) Léna (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC) Yann (talk) 09:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC) Paul Cézanne (Q35548) for a start... Abbe98 (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC) Have been doing small things here and there — especially improving items around what is depicted on paintings — so might as well sign up. Jbandrews (talk) 02:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC) Product Manager at the Art Institute of Chicago. Amadalvarez (talk) 06:19, 19 October 2019 (UTC) Meresquared (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC) I'm interested in adding depiction descriptions to paintings, and improving data around women and POC. Clifford Anderson (talk) 01:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC) --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC) focus on danish paintings. Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject sum of all paintings

Hi, following the good work done in Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Property statistics, the {{Property dashboard}} tool may be used to drill down in collection or creators to know and improve its completeness. Use Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Property statistics/Collection and Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Property statistics/Creator, as a sandbox, changing the Qid of collection/creator you want to analize (instructions inside code). Amadalvarez (talk) 09:03, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

To Merge or Not to Merge, That is the Question[edit]

What shall we do with items where all the properties, including the image, are identical with the only exception of the institution identifier. See Kaiumers, the First King of Persia (Q64538958), Kaiumers, the First King of Persia (Q64538960). Or Sultan Murad III receiving a book (Q64537998) and Sultan Murad III receiving a book (Q64538040). --Jarekt (talk) 01:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

See above for a descussion of this regarding prints. The conclusion was "probably not". In this case, it's annoying because the image is the same. Without a confirmation of some sort, I would not merge, since it appears to be a page of a manuscript (and there may be multiple versions, with the incorrect image added to one of them). Jane023 (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Format again - proposal for depicted format[edit]

This continues our discussion on formats. See the property proposal here: Wikidata:Property proposal/depicted format. Jane023 (talk) 18:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Modeling artistic themes[edit]

Opening a discussion here of how to deal with granular themes/subjects of artworks... Consider Veil of Veronica (Q608632) ((alleged) physical relic as well as artistic theme), Veil of Veronica held up by Veronica (Q85844812) (subclass of VOV theme/subject but not of VOV relic), The Crucifixion (Q17325193) (painting that depicts Veronica holding VoV as part of a larger scene), Veil of Veronica held up by Veronica (Q85844812) (painting of Veronica holding VOV). How should this all be modeled? What is an instance and what is a subclass? Sidenote: Everything in the universe could be "artistic theme" so I hate classifying everything as that. And for the large scene, do we say depicts Veil of Veronica held up by Veronica (Q85844812) or treat Veil of Veronica held up by Veronica (Q85844812) as a freestanding artistic theme only? Similar questions could apply to things in Iconclass like 73B27 the midwives adoring the Christ-child, Mary and Joseph may be present which is a subclass of the artistic theme of the Nativity but arguably not a subclass of the biblical episode of the Nativity (the Bible doesn't say anything about midwives). Have others given thought to this? Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Changing the way we use anonymous (Q4233718)[edit]

Multichill (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC), focus on the Netherlands Husky (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC) - Cool, i'd like to focus on building tools to visualise progress. Spinster (talk) 07:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC) Happy to help with manual finetuning that can't be done by bots, and anything else on the 'soft/wet' side of this project. I'm dreaming of complete artists' oeuvres on Wikidata! Rich Farmbrough (talk) Time to learn2Wikidata Jheald (talk) 12:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC) Kippelboy (talk) 07:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC) (Focus on Catalan paintings (subdivision of Spain) Mushroom (talk) 12:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Jane023 (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC) work on Dutch 17th-century paintings and landscapes of Haarlem; Most recently, the sum of all "attributed" paintings by Frans Hals, which is nearly done Missvain (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2014 (UTC) (talk) 13:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC) Zolo (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC) Beat Estermann (talk) 10:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC) (Focus on Swiss heritage institutions) Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC) KRLS (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC) (Focus on Catalan area museums) DivadH (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC) ,happy to help out with any questions in regards to the Europeana API, how to best query it, and/or our metadata Xcia0069 (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC), Work on data related to Gianlorenzo Bernini and Artemisia Gentileschi. Work at Europeana too ! Susannaanas (talk) 07:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC) Wittylama (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2015 (UTC) Fabrice Florin (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC) I can help in California later this year. Vaughn88 (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC) I can help! Raymond Ellis (talk) 19:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Hsarrazin (talk) 14:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC) - will give a hand with Creators and AC :) louis-garden (talk) 14:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC) for italian paintings (XIIe-XVIIe) Olivier (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Kopiersperre (talk) 11:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC) ProtoplasmaKid (talk) 03:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC) Micru (talk) 11:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Stuart Prior (WMUK) (talk) 11:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC) Hannolans (talk) 23:14, 22 October 2016 (UTC) Geraki (talk) 09:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC) (Focus on Greece) PatHadley (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC) MartinPoulter (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC) Working to get data from the University of Oxford (Q34433) and its component institutions shared on Wikidata. Pablísima (talk) 18:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC) Carl Ha (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2017 (UTC) Marsupium (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Shani Evenstein (talk) 10:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC) Nasty nas (talk) 07:45, 24 August 2017 (UTC) Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2017 (UTC) Joalpe (talk) 18:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC) Sarasays (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC) Thierry Caro (talk) 07:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC) John Samuel 18:29, 21 December 2017 (UTC) Jklamo (talk) 12:06, 31 December 2017 (UTC) Reosarevok (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC), focus on Estonia Ambrosia10 (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Subsublibrary (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Martingggg (talk) 07:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC), focus on Argentine and Hispanic America Kruusamägi (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC), focus on Estonia SIryn (talk) 10:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC) Jarekt (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2018 (UTC), focus on moving metadata from Commons to Wikidata Walkuraxx (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Omotecho (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC), focus on Japan GualdimG (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC) Léna (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC) Yann (talk) 09:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC) Paul Cézanne (Q35548) for a start... Abbe98 (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC) Have been doing small things here and there — especially improving items around what is depicted on paintings — so might as well sign up. Jbandrews (talk) 02:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC) Product Manager at the Art Institute of Chicago. Amadalvarez (talk) 06:19, 19 October 2019 (UTC) Meresquared (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC) I'm interested in adding depiction descriptions to paintings, and improving data around women and POC. Clifford Anderson (talk) 01:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC) --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC) focus on danish paintings. Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject sum of all paintings On the village pump a conversation is happening about how we should handle anonymous (Q4233718). Please have a look. Multichill (talk) 19:32, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

instance_of_=_item_of_collection_or_exhibition[edit]

Some artworks like Still Life with Sweets (Q2349662) have instance of (P31) set to painting (Q3305213) and item of collection or exhibition (Q18593264). I started a discussion at Talk:Q18593264#instance_of_=_item_of_collection_or_exhibition about it. Please join there. --Jarekt (talk) 14:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

How to specify "attributed to"?[edit]

How should we specify works only "attributed to" creators? Do we list the attributed creator by name, with a qualifier of sorts? And in a related issue, Quick Statements from Commons templates seem to interpret {{Creator:Name|attributed to}} as anonymous (Q4233718) (example from File:Mrs. Augustus Jay MET ap1970.283.5.jpg). This seems suboptimal. Thanks, -Animalparty (talk) 21:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Just use P170 for the artist. Whether it is attributed or signed doesn't matter. When it is attributed to more than one artist over time, add all artists withh P170 and deprecate all the ones that don't apply. Jane023 (talk) 22:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
OK, I just found Wikidata:WikiProject_Visual_arts/Item_structure#Use_of_creator_(P170)_in_uncertain_cases (because everything in Wikidata is arcane), which reccomends a qualifier of nature of statement (P5102) -> attribution (Q230768). Is this still the practice? 'Attributed to' often implies a level of uncertainty, much more so than an unqualified creator statement. -Animalparty (talk) 22:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Well all things being relative, I think using P170->anonymous is a much more certain statement than P170->name->"qualified with attributed to". It is also much more helpful to provenance research if the former attributions are included as deprecated statements. This will make the paintings at least show up in searches based on old catalog and exhibiton records. If you want to use that qualifier, go ahead, but I doubt it adds much value to Wikidata or its sister projects! So attributed paintings will still end up in the "Category:Paintings by XXX" on Commons, for example. Jane023 (talk) 07:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Saxon Academy of Arts[edit]

Hello,

in German Wikisource there are lists of Artworks public shown in one of the previous institutions of the Saxon Academy of Arts in the 19th century. Is this a notable Institution. [3] and can I add then items for the mentioned art works. I think this were something what is interesting. Then it is possible to get an overview how many items come from what for a place. --Hogü-456 (talk) 20:03, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

My German is not perfect, but if the only reference to these paintings is the single line in the text ('Die heilige Cecilia, nach Carlo Dolce') i think it's too little to work with. However, i could imagine the list might be interesting to use as a reference to existing Wikidata items, to indicate that they were part of this collection. Husky (talk) 08:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Drawings from "Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya" (MNAC)[edit]

It seems that c:Category:Cabinet_of_Drawings_and_Prints_of_the_MNAC holds images for which we already have items [4], e.g. Q27574338. I added a few by searching for the catalogue code [5].

The collection includes a few items for bookplates. I wonder if some of the measures don't use cm instead of mm.

If this isn't the right WikiProject (paintings), please don't hesitate to move this comment elsewhere. @KRLS: for info. --- Jura 13:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I just double-checked the size(h/w) of ex-libris, they are plausible.
It's just that Q27576283 is a poster. --- Jura 13:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The Khanenko Museum[edit]

Can anyone check c:Special:Contributions/176.115.96.11? It has modified a large collection of paintings supposedly in the Museum of Bogdan and Varvara Khanenko. I can not find these paintings in the museum website and I am not sure if done in good faith. --Vriullop (talk) 08:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

deletions of In use items[edit]

See Wikidata:Project_chat#Deletions_of_in_use_items_because_they_do_"not_meet_notability_policy". --Jarekt (talk) 03:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Modeling coats of arms on paintings[edit]

In Telegram, User:Jarekt and I have been tossing around ways to model coats of arms on paintings (or other works of art) and how to carry that info over to Commons Artwork templates. In Commons, COAs are treated as inscriptions (inscription|type=coat of arms), and I was interested in including this information in Artwork templates generated out of Wikidata.

However, there is a snag here:

Other options that have been suggested are:

Logically, a coat of arms on a painting is most like an inscription - it may have been added after the fact, it may not represent the actual sitter, etc. But I am beginning to think that "depicts" is the reasonable way to go.

What does everyone else think? - PKM (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I think depict would work fine, bit it should link to an item for specific COA item, like Q2108336 --Jarekt (talk) 20:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)