Hi Xcia0069, please don't remove valid statements like you did on The Martyrdom of St Januarius in the Amphitheatre at Pozzuoli (Q3947174). Wikidata is not Wikipedia. We don't just document the current state of paintings, but also provenance. In this case the paintings was in the collection for quite some time. You probably want to add some qualifiers if you figure out what the full provenance is.
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Please qualify, don't remove
Sure, good point. I was not quite sure how to do it, but I see you have already changed it. Bedankt!
It can be a big puzzle. What you can do if you don't know when it entered and left the collection is to qualify it with start time decade/century/unknown and end time decade/century/unknown.
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Yes you can take a look at some exhibitions that have been done. Basically exhibitions generally have catalogs, so they can be treated like any other catalog. That said, I have also use P608 for photographers who were in a photo exhibition. So you can do both too.
Oh I meant to say that to see the paintings in the exhibition you need to set up a list, which I use to do on WP userpages but now I also do here under the SoaP pages on Wikidata: Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Catalog
Ah, I see. For some stupid reason, I had not thought of using the catalogue as the main point of reference (as opposed to the exhibition). Your approach makes sense
Since the catalogue has all the metadata I generally just create one item for the exhibition and the catalog, since they are also pretty much similar in time and place (various language versions are published by each museum if the exhibition travels to other countries). Some people make two items: one for the exhibition and one for the catalogue. That's fine too. So eg if you are reading about some artwork that was in some exhibition but you don't know the catalog number but want to record that little fact, go ahead and make an item for the exhibition and make a statement on the artwork based on "exhibition history". You can always add a catalog code later if you ever get around to it (or someone else can too).
Please please make two items! They are conceptually different, there aren't things in the world that are an instance of an exhibition and an exhibition catalogue at the same time. We should still discuss this with a broader audience I think!
Well I see it in the same way as "Museum building/Museum organization" or "Altarpiece/Painting series". If it doesn't exist yet, make one item for your needs and the next person who needs the other thing can come along and split them up. There is no need to make it more difficult than it already is to make items.
Yes, I see. For this and the "Museum building/Museum organization" thing I'd nevertheless also always recommend to create two items (in cases where there isn't yet a Wikipedia introduced merged cluster) because often it will be more work with splitting them up later, especially with exhibitions and museums which both are object in a lot of statements. But now it is what it is.
I like to think of myself forging my way through the Wikidata wilderness, hacking away at strange vines and clearing a little pathway. After me, others can come build roads, install electricity grids, schools and electoral voting machines...
- ) Haha! That's great, of course it's always a question of priorities and nothing will ever be perfect here!
Done here: Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Catalog/Antonello da Messina: Sicily's Renaissance Master and just hit manual update to see the paintings.
Okay, I'm still struggling to get these 'listeria' lists to render. I've set up this page, but it doesn't seem to work (Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Catalog/Petrus Christus: Renaissance Master of Bruges) Any ideas what I am missing? Thanks!
I tried using your query directly in the query editor and it said there was an error, so I just copied the query from another catalog and changed the catalog item number and then it did work. Sometimes the query can be squirrely. It works now though and thanks for your work on this. Happy listeria-watching!
The closing "}" was commented out … Cheers, m.
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