has graphical element[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
| Description | mark, motif, coat of arms or map element added to a creative work |
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| Represents | coat of arms (Q14659), map element (Q105825897), design element (Q55412936), mark (Q57248625), symbol (Q80071) |
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| Data type | Item |
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| Domain | work of art (Q838948), map (Q4006) |
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| Allowed values | instance or subclass of coat of arms (Q14659), map element (Q105825897), design element (Q55412936), mark (Q57248625), symbol (Q80071) |
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| Example 1 | Nova Zemla (Joan Blaeu, 1667) BL 114.h*.1 (5) (Q63872792) → cartouche (Q2374398) |
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| Example 2 | Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester (1532/3–1588) (Q23729968) → coat of arms (Q14659) |
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| Example 3 | Map of Northumberland (Q105816017) → map scale (Q1914828) |
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| Example 4 | Sir Henry Guildford (1489-1532) (Q28028632) → cartellino (Q1045813) |
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| Planned use |
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| See also | depicts (P180), has pattern (P5422), pending proposal named place on map |
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Motivation[edit]
The genesis of this proposal was a long discussion on the Talk page of inscription (P1684) about modeling complex inscriptions in Wikidata in such a way that they can be used in the Commons "Artwork", "Maps", and "Inscriptions" templates. Commons treats items like coat of arms (Q14659), cartouche (Q2374398), and emblem (Q112110) as "type" of "inscription".
On Wikidata, "inscription" is a monolingual text field. I believe we should model things in Wikidata in a way that makes sense within our ontology, and so I am inclined to restrict "inscription" in Wikidata to text items. I would also like to keep depicts (P180) for items depicted in a work, not added onto them as a layer of metadata.
Several editors suggested that a solution might be a new property for these non-text "inscriptions". Suggested subjects for this property include map elements like compass roses, map scale, legend/map key, North arrow; and coats of arms, graphic (non-text) monograms, seals, stamps, pottery marks, watermarks, and reign marks on Chinese ceramics for other types of artworks. I believe "instance or subclass" of coat of arms (Q14659), map element (Q105825897), design element (Q55412936), mark (Q57248625), and symbol (Q80071) covers all of these.
Suggested valid qualifiers would include:
For a text inscription inside a cartouche, I suggest two statements:
- <has graphical element> "cartouche" <has part> "inscription"
- <inscription> "(text string)" (along with the appropriate qualifiers)
@Zolo, Jarekt, Jheald, Jane023, Susannaanas, DrThneed: thanks for your help in developing this proposal.
User:Zolo Jane023 (
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08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] User:Vincent Steenberg User:Kippelboy User:Shonagon Marsupium (
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13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] GautierPoupeau (
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16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply] Multichill (
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19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] Susannaanas (
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11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
[reply] Mushroom (
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00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply] Jheald (
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17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply] Spinster (
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15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply] PKM (
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21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply] Vladimir Alexiev (
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17:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply] Sic19 (
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21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply] Wittylama (
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13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply] Armineaghayan (
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08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply] Musedata102 (
talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Hannolans (
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18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply] User:Martingggg Zeroth (
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02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] User:7samurais User:mrtngrsbch User:Buccalon Infopetal (
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17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] Karinanw (
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16:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply] Ahc84 (
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17:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply] User:BeatrixBelibaste Valeriummaximum Bitofdust (
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22:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply] Mathieu Kappler Zblace (
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07:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Oursana (
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13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply] Ham II (
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08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply] 
Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts
Discussion[edit]
Support as proposer – The preceding unsigned comment was added by PKM (talk • contribs) at 21:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]- Support per discussion at Property_talk:P1684. Jheald (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as per discussion at Property_talk:P1684 .Pmt (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support DrThneed (talk) 03:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Yes it would be nice to have something apart from inscription that captures issues such as this version of Portrait of Vincenzo Anastagi (Q7232313) which was in place for centuries before being cleaned in the 20th century. We still need something for "used to depict until being cut down" or something like that. Jane023 (talk) 07:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Proposal updated to add another example and another planned use. - PKM (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, an important property for art.--Arbnos (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Will also be usefull for Notified participants of WikiProject Numismatics Pmt (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Zolo, Jarekt, Jheald, Jane023, Susannaanas, DrThneed:
User:Zolo Jane023 (
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08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] User:Vincent Steenberg User:Kippelboy User:Shonagon Marsupium (
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13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] GautierPoupeau (
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16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply] Multichill (
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19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] Susannaanas (
talk)
11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
[reply] Mushroom (
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00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply] Jheald (
talk)
17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply] Spinster (
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15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply] PKM (
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21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply] Vladimir Alexiev (
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17:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply] Sic19 (
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21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply] Wittylama (
talk)
13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply] Armineaghayan (
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08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply] Musedata102 (
talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Hannolans (
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18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply] User:Martingggg Zeroth (
talk)
02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] User:7samurais User:mrtngrsbch User:Buccalon Infopetal (
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17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] Karinanw (
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16:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply] Ahc84 (
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17:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply] User:BeatrixBelibaste Valeriummaximum Bitofdust (
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22:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply] Mathieu Kappler Zblace (
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07:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Oursana (
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13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply] Ham II (
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08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply] Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts 
Done as has graphical element (P9344). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts
