Property talk:P9344

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has graphical element
mark, motif, coat of arms, map, or other graphic element added to a creative work
Representscoat of arms (Q14659), design element (Q55412936), map element (Q105825897), mark (Q11341687), symbol (Q80071)
Data typeItem
Domainphysical object (Q223557), work of art (Q838948) or map (Q4006)
ExampleNova Zemla (Joan Blaeu, 1667) BL 114.h*.1 (5) (Q63872792)cartouche (Q2374398)
Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester (1532/3–1588) (Q23729968)coat of arms (Q14659)
Map of Northumberland (Q105816017)map scale (Q1914828)
Sir Henry Guildford (1489-1532) (Q28028632)cartellino (Q1045813)
See alsodepicts (P180), has pattern (P5422)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total740
Main statement73699.5% of uses
Qualifier40.5% of uses
Search for values
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9344#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9344#Scope, SPARQL
Type “physical object (Q223557), work of art (Q838948), map (Q4006): item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “physical object (Q223557), work of art (Q838948), map (Q4006)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9344#Type Q223557, Q838948, Q4006, SPARQL

Signatures and semi-linguistic markings[edit]

Sometimes, inscriptions have can be documented by both a linguistic content and a non-linguistic but cearly identifiable semantic content. Some examples: a signature, a collector stamp, a coat of arms with a family name. Should we use this property for them ?

Some possibilities:

My intitial thought was to use both - inscription (P1684) for the linguistic content and has graphical element (P9344) cartouche (Q368205) has part(s) (P527) inscription (Q1640824) for the graphic, but I am open to other constructions. I like
for specific cases where the inscription does not require translation, etc. - PKM (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Zolo: And I have used this on my prototype modeling exercise: map of the counties of England (Q105799311)has graphical element (P9344)map scale (Q1914828)inscription (P1684)Scala Miliarium (la) - PKM (talk) 23:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms [of?] person[edit]

I have used coat of arms like this:

But I wonder if we should bow to conventional usage and allow:

- PKM (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After some additional thought, I have added of (P642) as an allowed qualifier, and I am going to preferentially use that to link a coat of arms to a person. - PKM (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Missing qualifiers[edit]

Clearly I missed has part(s) (P527) as an allowed qualifier in my property proposal - see my awkward handling of "dividers" at Q105799311#P9344 where it would be much simpler to say the linear scale <has part> dividers, instead of the other way around.

Is anything else missing? - PKM (talk) 23:46, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added has part(s) (P527). - PKM (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly meant to include has pattern (P5422) on the qualifiers list. Adding. - PKM (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update Inscription template[edit]

@Jarekt, Zolo: I have added this property to a number of paintings and maps - can someone update the Commons "Inscription/Artwork" templates to recognize this property? Thanks! - PKM (talk) 21:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will look into it. --Jarekt (talk) 03:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added allowed qualifier[edit]

I have allowed quantity (P1114). - PKM (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]