Wikidata:Property proposal/Handlingar.se
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Handlingar.se organisation ID[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
Not done
| Description | a Swedish property that is the Swedish equivalent to WhatDoTheyKnow organisation ID (P8167) |
|---|---|
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | organisations |
| Allowed values | TBA |
| Example 1 | Arboga Municipality (Q431271) → arboga_kommun |
| Example 2 | Swedish Post and Telecom Agency (Q7654818) → pts |
| Example 3 | Moderna Museet (Q1274511) → moderna_museet |
| Example 4 | Swedish Transport Administration (Q1677108) → trafikverket |
| Source | https://handlingar.se/en/body/list/all |
| Planned use | populate as much as possible, in the long run it would be interested to use Wikidata as a hub between WhatDoTheyKnow organisation ID (P8167) and handlingar.se |
| Number of IDs in source | 1000 to begin with |
| Expected completeness | 100% |
| Formatter URL | https://handlingar.se/sv/body/$1 |
| See also | WhatDoTheyKnow organisation ID (P8167) |
| Wikidata project | Not created yet |
Motivation[edit]
Wikidata feels like a good place to have connections to platforms like handlingar.se and WhatDoTheyKnow organisation ID (P8167) Salgo60 (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Comment According to themselves, they lack persistent identifiers today. These strings can apparently be edited anytime, and are therefore not suitable as an identifier in Wikidata. Ainali (talk) 14:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- ok feels like its not every day an Swedish agency change name.... we will see if they confirm this en:technical debt and how often it happens - Salgo60 (talk) 14:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it seems that the agencies themselves don't need to change name, they can just be edited in handlingar.se. Who knows when someone decide to call
ptsforpost-och-telestyrelsen. Ainali (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)- Ok question is how often and if they do a redirect or have a disambiguation page when they have a name collision. I guess if they could store the WIkidata Q-number it could be one way to make it easier to maintain this - Salgo60 (talk) 18:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think we need to dig for stats as long as they themselves keep pointing out (like they did) that we shouldn't think the IDs are persistent. It's like the way ID's for OSM; they may change very seldom, but they are by design not persistent. Ainali (talk) 20:02, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ok question is how often and if they do a redirect or have a disambiguation page when they have a name collision. I guess if they could store the WIkidata Q-number it could be one way to make it easier to maintain this - Salgo60 (talk) 18:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it seems that the agencies themselves don't need to change name, they can just be edited in handlingar.se. Who knows when someone decide to call
- I see it as no major problem the benefits I hope can be bigger.
- Were is the discussion that it is a problem more than here? We have "problem" with many organisations like cultural organisations like KulturNav-ID (P1248) that we link a lot in Wikipedia articles --> the impact is a nightmare and it feels they do nothing to fix it . Last time I checked them we had > 6300 errors > 3% of the links had a problem
- I see more options to make Handlingar.se and Wikidata good friends if this is a problem'
- they store the Q number in their database --> easier to synch
- they have a persistant number that we use and then that is redirected to the organisation. I have together with Nobelprize.org designed a solution like that see T248939
- I feel Handlingar.se needs to state a direction they like to move. If we could fix all the problems we had with the Nobelprize.org then i guess if Handlingar.se are interested this can also be managable... - Salgo60 (talk) 07:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- We already have consensus that we should not create properties for external properties that are not considered persistent. The different denied openstreetmap proposals are a result of this. This is not an active discussion, but something established many years ago. So until handlingar.se gets persistent identifiers, this proposal should be put on hold. If we have other properties where this is already a problem it is not an argument for creating more properties but an argument for perhaps retiring those instead. Ainali (talk) 11:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- I agree 100% reality sucks
- * I have done a version 1 and matched Handlingar.se with Wikidata see github/salgo60/okfnLocal / file with WD connected
- * they maybe could use Wikidata Qnumber as unique identifier ;-)
- - Salgo60 (talk) 18:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
- We already have consensus that we should not create properties for external properties that are not considered persistent. The different denied openstreetmap proposals are a result of this. This is not an active discussion, but something established many years ago. So until handlingar.se gets persistent identifiers, this proposal should be put on hold. If we have other properties where this is already a problem it is not an argument for creating more properties but an argument for perhaps retiring those instead. Ainali (talk) 11:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Support — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)- Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Oppose As the proposal does not use persistent identifiers.Abbe98 (talk) 06:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)- Oppose Unreliable --Trade (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Salgo60, Ainali, Abbe98, Trade:
Not done —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
