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Hi Brya,

All the wikipages are linkt to this [1]; the other one is empty. Regards. DenesFeri (talk) 08:00, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi DenesFeri, every "parent taxon" should be an taxon-item (an item with P225 "taxon name", P105 "taxon rank", P171 "parent taxon", and "instance of" "taxon"). But you are right that the sitelinks in Q17121454 are wrong: only the enwiki page should be there, the others should be in the other one. - Brya (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Can you fix it? DenesFeri (talk) 10:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done. - Brya (talk) 11:01, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Köszönöm! DenesFeri (talk) 11:12, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! - Brya (talk) 11:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Your comments have been moved into a discussion of Geonames[edit]

Please note User_talk:Liuxinyu970226#Moving_my_comment_about_Chinese_conversion_.28Q15630179.29_into_a_thread_about_Geonames_.3F
--- Jura 16:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Name main food sources of humans[edit]


d1g (talk) 16:59, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

You are doing things in the wrong order. You are supposed to make sure you understand the field of knowledge involved, get your facts straight understand the Wikidata properties before you make an edit. - Brya (talk) 11:19, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

carrot (Q81) are eaten raw fruit (Q3314483)[edit]

As top producing countries, we can "waste" them by eating raw. Usually children do this. d1g (talk) 15:57, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure carrots can be eaten raw, but that does not make them fruit. Lettuce leaves can also be eaten raw, but that does not make them fruit, either. - Brya (talk) 16:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

fruit (Q3314483) is a culinary item, @Brya: anyone can see it. d1g (talk) 16:25, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

fruit (Q3314483) is a subclass of fruit (Q1364), anyone can see it. - Brya (talk) 16:32, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
  1. It isn't.
  2. it has nothing to do with culinary claims
d1g (talk) 16:37, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Brya decided to "help" with gherkin (Q1365891) too. d1g (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

"fruit" fruit (Q3314483) has been a subclass of "fruit" fruit (Q1364) since 3 April. I see you have sneakily deprecated it: I will grant that rhubarb Q20767168 is sometimes regarded as a fruit, but that is the exception that confirms the rule (rhubarb is considered subclass of vegetable in Wikidata). - Brya (talk) 16:51, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
ruwiki states: "В хозяйстве съедобные растения и съедобные части растений делят на фрукты, овощи, орехи, зерновые культуры и т. д. В бытовом понимании ягода тоже сочный плод." - Brya (talk) 16:55, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
"ягода тоже сочный плод"
not a "овощ это плод"
not a "фрукт это плод" d1g (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Rumex (Q157264) is a culinary vegetable but not a botanical fruit (Q1364)[edit]

inferred from is not a reference has nothing to do with this. d1g (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

"Rumex (Q157264) is a culinary vegetable but not a botanical fruit (Q1364)". That seems quite right. What is your point? - Brya (talk) 16:58, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Rumex (Q157264) is eaten faw too as sevral other vegetables it should be fruit (Q3314483)
But you made overly imprecise statements and removed previous idealization.
d1g (talk) 17:04, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Again, "eaten raw" is not the deciding criterium. Fish can be eaten raw, and for that matter insects. The "edible in the raw state" is there as a disambiguation, to separate it from other items labeled "fruit".
        Fruit is a pretty widely known characterization, and there appears no confusion:
  • dewiki: Obst ist ein Sammelbegriff der für den Menschen roh genießbaren meist wasserhaltigen Früchte oder Teilen davon (beispielsweise Samen), die von Bäumen, Sträuchern und mehrjährigen Stauden stammen.
  • eswiki: Se denomina fruta a aquellos frutos comestibles obtenidos de plantas cultivadas o silvestres que, por su sabor generalmente dulce-acidulado, por su aroma intenso y agradable, y por sus propiedades nutritivas, suelen consumirse mayormente en su estado fresco, como jugo o como postre (y en menor medida, en otras preparaciones), una vez alcanzada la madurez organoléptica, o luego de ser sometidos a cocción.
  • frwiki: Dans le langage courant et en cuisine, un fruit est un aliment végétal, à la saveur sucrée, généralement consommé cru.
  • ruwiki: Фру́кт (лат. fructus — плод) — сочный съедобный плод дерева или кустарника.
  • Etc
A culinary fruit is a botanical fruit, that can be eaten raw, usually is coloured (that is, not green), and tastes sweet (to a degree). There is a little fudge space at the edges, but I don't see how anybody can misunderstand it. - Brya (talk) 05:09, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
> A culinary fruit is a botanical fruit
Asparagus (Q2853420)
"растение, плоды, корнеплоды, клубнеплоды, луковицы, листья или соцветия которого употребляются в пищу"
You quote botanical articles and say "it is botanical"
Waste of time, again. d1g (talk) 05:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
tomato (Q20638126) typical veg and fruit d1g (talk) 05:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
The tomato is a botanical fruit that is usually used as a vegetable, but that can be used as culinary fruits as well. I don't understand why you point to "овощ" which as the ruwiki page on fruit (quoted above) is the opposite of fruit. - Brya (talk) 05:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

New things about homo sapiens[edit]

Humans need carbohydrate (Q11358) and fat (Q127980) every day.

Will you remove water (Q283) too?

What is your point in this edit?

Property_talk:P618 was meant to used with organisms and any food.

Edit doesn't seem useful at all. d1g (talk) 04:35, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Property:P618 is not intended to be used with organisms, as is clear from the property creation discussion. And what a given individual of Homo sapiens derives its energy from will vary strongly depending on circumstances. And your 'reference' is intended as a guide for the food industry, to help them with what should be in the foods they produce; it says nothing whatsoever about what actually is in the food a given individual of Homo sapiens consumes.
        It is hard to imagine a more haphazard collection of stuff thrown together. You should spend a few years in a good library and gather reference material before editing, not making haphazard edits in whatever catches your eye. - Brya (talk) 05:40, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
@Brya: "it says nothing whatsoever about what actually is in the food a given individual of Homo sapiens consumes"
It says nothing if humans need water. Or how much.
Mr. Brya Solution? Remove claim "humans need water"
"genius" d1g (talk) 07:23, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

@Brya: I was treating you seriously so far. But comment above shows all what you "worth". Any 6 grader can do better without any sources about "fats" and "carbs" as nutrients

2 years wasted in library on H.S. nutrition facts? Is this what you capable of? d1g (talk) 05:45, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

You appear very confused about Wikimedia projects. How is it supposed to work? 1) A user has knowledge in depth about a topic. 2) He carefully makes edits to share this knowledge. 3) He is legally responsible for his edits.
        What you are doing appears very much like making haphazard edits in whatever catches your eye.
        In no way is there any obligation for any user when removing errors to put anything in their place. Actually, he should not add content unless he wants to, is sure of the accuracy of the content he adds, and feels it is helpful to add that content. - Brya (talk) 07:46, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't want to argue about fruits and vegetables (as it's quite vague topic for me), but you are misbelieve about Wikimedia projects yourself. Wiki main principle assumes that content is improving gradually, so one user can add some information, the second is changing it with more exact, the thirs adds some references... That is how wiki (all Wikimedia projects) worked so far. And yes, there is no obligation to put anything instead of removing, but this is good style of behaving. --Infovarius (talk) 09:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Brya: what you do is pathetic. Homo Sapiens need protein and fat as energy source. Vitamins are not essential or do no covert directly to energy but put part of metabolism. Without many nutrients conversion would be less efficient.

It it a competence of 6 grade.

I don't know why you are attacking me "you appear very confused". Maybe you just asocial? d1g (talk) 07:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)


Hi! You made some changes in 'Anisophyllum' [G.Don ex Benth. (1849)] (Q38151705), probably based on the IPNI entry, which is claiming, that Anisophyllum G.Don ex Benth. is only an orthographical variant of Anisophyllea R.Br. ex Sabine. In my opinion, this is at least questionable. My understanding of "orthographical variant" is a change of spelling by a later author, who anyways is claiming only to reuse a previously published taxon name – as an example see Ryticaryum. However, when Bentham in 1849 described Anisophyllum, he thought to describe a new genus and species and, as his addendum on page 575 is showing, he was not even aware, that Sabine had described the same genus and species already in 1824. So, Anisophyllum G.Don ex Benth. is rather a name at its own right, when we recognise the intentions of Bentham. Of course, this name is illegitimate in a double sense, first as a homonym of Anisophyllum Jacq., and morever by being a nomen superfluum, as its protologue includes the collection by Don, which later, obviously after typesetting of the main text, turned out, that it already had been the basis for the description of Anisophyllea R.Br. ex Sabine. If Anisophyllum G.Don ex Benth. merely were an orthographical variant of Anisophyllea R.Br. ex Sabine, a change of spelling from Anisophyllum grande to Anisphyllea grandis only would by an orthographical correction and not a new combination. However, in the Flora Malesiana treatment of Anisophyllea (see [2]), this matter clearly is handled as a new combination. Regards --Franz Xaver (talk) 20:14, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Franz Xaver,
I understand your line of reasoning (and thank you for documenting this so carefully!), but I can also see IPNI's line of reasoning. The fact that Bentham felt he was describing a new genus is not decisive. Imagine that instead of the spelling Anisophyllum he had used the spelling Anisophyllea, would he have published a new homonym of Anisophyllea?
      The deciding factor is the type. Art. 61.2 defines an orthographical variant: if both 'names' are based on the same type, they are orthographical variants. It is hard to tell if both authors based themselves on the exact same plant (specimen), although it seems possible since Bentham based himself on Don and Sabine apparently based himself on Brown; who knows who exactly saw what specimen. I think this is not really relevant. The type of a generic name is a specimen, but the name of a species is sufficient indication of that type (Art. 10.1). Both 'names' are based on the same species, and therefore they have the same type; that makes them orthographical variants. These are not two names, but just manifestations of the one name.
      The Flora Malesiana treatment would have been more convincing if it had explained its reasoning for its deviant approach, but I think it is just wrong.
      I hope this explains it. I am not claiming that IPNI and the like are never wrong, but good evidence is needed to override them. - Brya (talk) 05:56, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi! If Bentham had used the spelling Anisophyllea, this simply would have been an isonym – not too rare.
OK, I did not know Art. 61.2 – escaped my attention. According to this, it must really be regarded as an orthographical variant.
If there is a doubt, whether Sabine and Bentham had based their description of the genus on the same specimen, then the same doubt is valid also for their species. The description by Sabine is a descriptio generico-specifica. Bentham intended to describe a new genus with a new species. The use of the same epithet is simply caused by the fact, that both made use of the same herbarium name, pencilled somewhere on a label (or the paper) together with the specimen. (Probably Bentham did not know exactly, who had written this name. So, he ascribed it to a different person.) However, typification of the genus and species described by Benthem is less problematic. Sabine based his genus/species on a Don collection from Sierra Leone "in the possession of Mr. Brown". And Benthem cited the Don collection together with a collection by Leprieur. So, according to ICN Art. 52.1–2 and Art. 9.5, the names by Bentham are homotypic with Anisphyllea laurina R.Br. ex Sabine, as Bentham cited the entire Sierra Leone gathering by Don. --Franz Xaver (talk) 12:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Good. To some extent an orthographical variant may be regarded as an isonym, but with a slightly different spelling. - Brya (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate of a fungus[edit]


There is two elements : Panaeolus sphinctrinus (Q14426282) and Panaeolus papilionaceus (Q2484523) a unique species of fungus but there is two items and two articles on I've asked for a merge there but it will probably take some times, so I though that adding Wikimedia permanent duplicated page (Q21286738) meanwhile. DO you have a better idea to solve this problem? PS: FYI, I'm just the messenger, this issue as raised on Wikidata:Bistro.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

As far as I can tell these are two heterotypic names, and Panaeolus sphinctrinus can be regarded as a synonym of Panaeolus papilionaceus by some taxonomists. There will also be some taxonomists who will regard them as two separate species. There should be two separate items, and the relationship between them indicated by "taxon synonym" and "instance of" "synonym", preferably referenced by a good taxonomic paper. In no way are these two duplicates. - Brya (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Ok, could you do check that everything is orrect right now ?
And right now, there is a Wikimedia permanent duplicated page on
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:16, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I moved pmswiki Panaeolus campanulatus to a new item. Otherwise everything looks alright. - Brya (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

cattle (Q830)[edit]

Hello Brya,

please explain me, why you reverted my recent change on cattle (Q830). Would you have expected a more general term, like leaf (Q33971) ? Would it be more appropriate to take fodder (Q211439) then main food source (P1034) Do you think, sheep (Q7368) has the right description? regards, --Scoid d (talk) 06:56, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Scoid d,
Actually I did not give any thought to the main food source of cattle, but this is likely to be a topic of some complexity (especially given how widely cattle are held). The revert was for a simple pragmatic reason, namely the item you had linked to. - Brya (talk) 10:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Grass or fruit[edit]

Hello, I think your edit creates confusion: an item can be a "grass of which the fruits..." or a "fruit", not both. --Horcrux92 (talk) 15:01, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

That may be a nice distinction, but in practice it is used for both (more often for the fruit than for the plant). - Brya (talk) 15:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Synoecha marmoratat (Q13475483)[edit]

Hallo Brya, Synoecha marmoratat (Q13475483) is een onjuiste spellingsvariant van Synoecha marmorata (Q1939760). Dit is duidelijk hier te zien en ook op het kaartje hier, waar meteen de oorsprong van de onjuiste spelling is gevonden. Jij weet beter dan ik hoe dit in wikidata juist te verwerken. Kun je me daarbij helpen? Groet, Lymantria (talk) 10:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Ik zou het zo doen. Groet, Brya (talk) 10:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Right. Dankjewel. Lymantria (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Euring number reverts[edit]

Why are you reverting my Euring number (P3459) additions: Catreus wallichii, Cyanocorax yncas? If it is because the URL gives a "Not Found", the URL only works if it is a UK species per Wikidata:Property proposal/Euring number. A species search is available at Euring search. It takes a couple of minutes to perform a search. --Bamyers99 (talk) 13:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I found them really weird. Of the seven additions on my Waychlist, five gave a "Not Found", one did link to a page but was on the wrong item, and only one gave a correct page. Why make links to non-existing pages?
        Apparently the expectancy is that there will (at some point) be pages for non-UK birds, but they will be at other sites, and will need new properties. The property we have is misnamed, and should be something like "Euring number of a UK-bird". - Brya (talk) 15:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the URL formatter so that just the number is displayed with no link. --Bamyers99 (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
OK, that is one possible solution. Have you checked with the proposer of the property? - Brya (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


I have blocked you 31 hours for edit warring across several items: [3],[4],[5]. Please discuss in a collaborative and civil manner after your block, rather than endlessly reverting across the entire site. Of course, you are welcome to appeal using {{Unblock}}. --Rschen7754 17:26, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I see you have chosen for the approach of "everybody loses" (as Ymblanter put it), or "Wikidata loses" (as I would put it). - Brya (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Adonis is feminine?[edit]

How is this possible? --Infovarius (talk) 11:46, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Because of ICNafp-Article 62.1. --Succu (talk) 12:00, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


You have been blocked 1 week for edit warring. --Rschen7754 18:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I see, you are still firmly committed to beating down anybody who stands up to the forces of chaos. - Brya (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2017 (UTC)