Wikidata talk:WikiProject Events

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About this project[edit]

Previously I and some others had developed a tool called "WikiReporter" for publishing event information into Wikimedia projects. See documentation at

Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Program committee members[edit]

These properties are in discussion right now. I started this project because I think that there is increasing interest in having conference information in Wikidata.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:21, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Event aboutness[edit]

It is not clear how one should describe what the event is about. I have been using main subject (P921) for quite some time. Is that viable? main subject (P921) is usually used for creative work (Q17537576), so it may be strechting the use when used for event (Q1656682)? Another possible property could field of work (P101). — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Scope of this WikiProject[edit]

The concept of "informative events" as is very artificial and difficult to apply. Some listed types of concepts such as parade (Q657449) and occurrence (Q1190554) contradict the definition. I'd prefer an incomplete but general treatment of all kinds of event (Q1656682) with reference to more specific WikiProjects such as Wikidata:WikiProject Cultural events. It's ok to focus on academic events and similar but keep an eye on the broader generic properties of events in general. -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JakobVoss: I agree about "informative events" being hard to apply. I only used it because I thought that it would be preferable to make up a term than only say "events". I would like to capture the class of events for which I expect there would be support to have Wikidata items, and avoid the events which should not have Wikidata items. I expect support and a need for a Wikidata item for classes of events which are likely to produce media which someone would cite for an informative purpose.
The "cultural events" WikiProject seems to be focusing on characterizing conceptual events, like Halloween, which have various expressions in many places and times. I did not see that project as focused on instances of single events in a certain place and time.
Also I wished to avoid events like plays. I am not sure, but I do not think that each instance of a repeating theatre performance should have an item. For example, if a Broadway show runs 8 times a week, I do not think there should be an item for each performance as an event.
If you prefer to just say "events", and make notes about which kinds of events we do not want, then that could work also. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft Academic Graph data on conferences; TRR project[edit]

Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) Daniel Mietchen (talk) JakobVoss (talk) Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC) Nikola Tulechki (talk) 11:44, 27 November 2018 (UTC) Ptolusque (.-- .. -.- ..) Tris T7 TT me Wolfgang Fahl (talk) Blue Rasberry (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC) 99of9 hfordsa Mathieu Kappler Zblace (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Lectrician1 (talk) 20:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Events

Daniel Mietchen
Ainali
DarTar
PKM
Marchitelli
Lawsonstu
Nasir Khan Saikat
HLHJ
Pintoch
Sic19
Jsamwrites
Ptolusque
Netha
Oa01 (talk) 18:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mlemusrojas (talk) 3:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Megs
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Mazuritz (talk) 11:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wallacegromit1 (talk) 08:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Matlin (talk) 09:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So9q (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Vis M (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Zblace (talk) 10:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
spida-tarbell (talk) 21:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maxime
Metacladistics (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Open Access

DarTar (talk) 08:28, 19 May 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 11:24, 19 May 2018 (UTC) Maxlath (talk) 11:33, 19 May 2018 (UTC) Jumtist (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2018 (UTC) Pintoch (talk) 11:40, 19 May 2018 (UTC) JakobVoss (talk) 11:44, 19 May 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 12:43, 27 November 2018 (UTC) Ivanhercaz (Talk) 11:55, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Epìdosis 11:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC) Tris T7 TT me Kpjas (talk) 07:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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IMHO the best source of Conference data is https://academic.microsoft.com/#/conferences/0/: 45k conferences.

  • MAG has excellent machine-learned Fields of Science (FOS: 220k) and Nikola Tulechki says conferences are thus classified.
  • Eg the WWW conference is here https://academic.microsoft.com/#/detail/1135342153 but that page is currently broken (this new version of the MAG site was brought online a couple weeks ago, still some bugs to iron out).
  • MAG doesn't have the program committees or invited speakers
  • MAG can be obtained in bulk as relational tables, but you need to create an Azure account for that (I think that will be free or very low cost: basically just transfer cost)
  • MAG has a graph API (not sure it covers conferences, but seems it does). See https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/azure-docs/issues/17584 for discussion of API vs dump
  • MAG data is also at https://www.openacademic.ai/oag/ (free download) but that's an older version and maybe doesn't include Conferences.

I think the only better source of concentrated conference data is Semantic Dog Food (or what was the new name), and perhaps something more for ICT conferences. I don't know of such datasets for other sciences, can someone help?

MAG has produced some very interesting conference analytics that can also inspire more visualizations in Scholia

As part of Tracking of Research Results (Q59240503) we'll be doing semantic integration of a lot of Science data, and conferences is one of the topics. We'll contribute a lot of data back to WD (eg we're currently working on Awards). We'd appreciate any pointers or offers for collaboration.

Cheers! --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"part of..." or "subclass of..." ?[edit]

Should (e.g.) George Floyd protests in Selah, Washington be identified as "part of" George Floyd protests in Washington (state), or as a "subclass of" them?

And once we know the answer to that...is there a good way to ensure that all these protest pages are properly situated as a "part" or "subclass" properly in the hierarchy? -Pete F (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More sources of conference data[edit]

https://projects.tib.eu/en/confident/

http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/

Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bluerasberry (talk) 20:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bot for importing conference data[edit]

Wolfgang is seeking support to operate the bot. Here is my recommendation for guidelines for operating the bot.

  • What sort of data will the bot import?
  • From what sources will the bot do imports?
  • How quickly and how much data will the bot import?
    • Import 10 conferences then discuss; then do 100, then 1000, then any amount. Repeat from 10 whenever there is a fundamental change. Seek discussion here and at Wikidata:Project chat when doing the check of 1000 imports.

I want to support this tool and also keep quality for the Wikidata data set. I think the above is enough to advance the conversation. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi automatic import via spreadsheet[edit]

  • The series INLG is an example for what the ConferenceCorpusBot should achieve. A semi-automatic approach using an intermediate

spreadsheet has been used. See INLG Google sheet. The raw spreadsheet was generated using http://conferencecorpus.bitplan.com/eventseries/INLG?format=excel --WolfgangFahl (talk) 06:50, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Clinical Trials for Wikidata - the paper[edit]

WD:CT

This is a bit off topic because we do not yet have ways of matching medical conferences to medical research, but we hope to get there eventually. For now I want to share that we have a paper on the import of medical research to Wikidata.

See Wikidata:WikiProject Clinical Trials. Care about this because

  1. We presented it as a model WikiProject in this new preprint - https://doi.org/10.1101/2022.04.01.22273328
  2. It is a tidy cool WikiProject which coordinated the import of ClinicalTrials.gov (Q5133746) to Wikidata
  3. I and others will continue to develop this project and further integrate it with Wikidata for medicine, universities, biographical records of medical researchers, and meta:WikiCite

Comments requested here or at the WikiProject talk page.

THANKS TO ANYONE WHO COMMENTS! Bluerasberry (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

convention - one-off or recurring event[edit]

I want to describe both individual science fiction conventions, and convention series. The former have start and end dates, the latter inception and dissolution dates, but science fiction convention (Q1958056) is an instance of event (Q1656682) not recurring event (Q15275719) so I get warnings that dissolution date is not valid. Should I ignore this, add recurring event (Q15275719) as an instance to a series, or should the possibility that something be singular or plural be introduced higher up the chain? A whole set of parallel 'meeting series' seems clumsy, so perhaps changing dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576) to apply to event, not recurring event might be easiest. Vicarage (talk) 06:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vicarage: Can you give an example of an item where you have this problem?
There is a data model at Wikidata:WikiProject Events/Models. If that model is triggering messages about invalid then it would be helpful for you to point where. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I ended up adding recurring event (Q15275719) to every convention series, so it would accept a closure date without error, and making it a subclass of event. Then an individual convention in the series could be an instance of the series. See Unicon (Q111328625) and Uniconze (Q111702622). So I'm making science fiction convention (Q1958056) series plural myself with a fair bit of repetition. Vicarage (talk) 22:20, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Vicarage: I see, so Uniconze (Q111702622) is one instance of a conference in the annual conference series Unicon (Q111328625). Currently you have Uniconze (Q111702622) as an instance of (P31) Unicon (Q111328625), and Unicon (Q111328625) is an instance of (P31) a recurring event (Q15275719).
An alternative could be that Uniconze (Q111702622) is part of the series (P179) Unicon (Q111328625). I see in the documentation of P179 that it accepts recurring event (Q15275719), but I am not sure what other people are doing. Both this way and your way make sense to me. Thoughts from anyone else? Bluerasberry (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On creating Wikidata items for presentations at conferences[edit]

I believe conference presentations are valuable sources of information because information of current interest is presented and discussed. As the use of technology has increased in modern society, some of these conferences are recorded and the recordings are published on some websites (e.g. media.ccc.de and conf.tube) so that people that wasn't able to participate in-person also acquire the knowledge presented in those events.

Changing the topic slightly, in some pages at the Wikimedia Foundation's official website, the following is presented

The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally.

Retrieved from the mission's page (archive)

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That’s our commitment.

Retrieved from the vision's page (archive)

Presentations at some conferences can be considered educational content, because they expand on major areas of knowledge. For example, Python Conference expand on Python, 2016 Meeting of the American Academy of Religion expand on theology, Central and Eastern European Software Engineering Conference in Russia expand on software engineering, International Geological Congress expand on geology, etc. Because they are educational content, they are aligned with the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation. The recordings of some conferences are under a free license (e.g. EmacsConf 2021, CC BY-SA 4.0), and some are not (e.g. EuroPython 2021 CC BY-NC-SA 4.0). Even if some conferences are not under a free license, they are events that are part of history of humanity and discuss topics of public interest, so by creating Wikidata items for those presentations we are contributing to "the sum of all knowledge", which is aligned to the vision of the Wikimedia Foundation.

For the reasons mentioned above, I felt motivated to create Wikidata items for conference presentations. I did this for the presentations in Wikidata Data Reuse Days 2022, and wrote some SPARQL queries to navigate the knowledge of those presentations. I shared what I did in Project Chat (here's the post in the archive. I was able to create a graph of the presentations by using main subject (P921) and speaker (P823) (Figure 1), group the presentations by subject (Figure 2), group the presentations by speaker, country of citizenship and continent (Figure 3), etc.

Figure 1
Figure 2
Figure 3

The items I created were published in Requests for deletions with the reason that they are items "without external notability" (revision). Regardless of whether the items are deleted or not, I would like to know your thoughts on this. Would you support creating Wikidata items for conference presentations? Why or why not?

-- Rdrg109 (talk) 08:31, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rdrg109 I guess, we can put these texts of conferences in Wikisource or metawiki. The actual conference itself (e.g. Wikidata Data Reuse Days 2022) may have its standalone item, provided that there are external serious sources about this conference. It seems unfair if Wikimedia-related stuff can fail WD:Notability Estopedist1 (talk) 14:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1: I'd like to know why you think these items fail to meet Wikidata:Notability. I've made it clear in my comment at the RFD (rev) why I think the items meet Wikidata:Notability (provided that the sources meet the guidelines mentioned in Wikidata:Verifiability, Self-published sources (online and paper) and Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves, the last two are referenced by the first one).
If you think my reasoning is wrong, please let me know as a reply to that comment.
Rdrg109 (talk) 19:10, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I’ve said before, it’s bad policy to favor stuff close to one’s own heart (be it Wikimedia stuff or other open source projects). I do think your cause is worthwhile but you don’t need Wikidata for this. --Emu (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Emu: I don't intend to favor stuff close to my heart. I'd agree with creating Wikidata items for conference presentations at conference on any academic discipline (as long as the sources meet the guidelines mentioned in Wikidata:Verifiability, Self-published sources (online and paper) and Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves, the last two are referenced by the first one).
I mentioned Wikidata Data Reuse Days 2022, EmacsConf 2021 and EuroPython 2021, because those are the conferences on the topics that I currently have the most interest. However, I'm also aware of conferences focused on other academic disciplines I'm not too familiar yet and would be willing to create items for presentations in those conferences.
As a second point: In this comment at the RFD (rev), I have explained why I think these items meet Wikidata:Notability. If you think my reasoning is wrong, please let me know as a reply to that comment.
Rdrg109 (talk) 18:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is my opinion that you can’t use self-published sources to create notability. (Self-published sources can however, in some cases, be used as references to statements.) Any other interpretation would effectively serve as a carte blanche to notability.
If there is independent, outside coverage about talks of a given conference, there is of course no reason not to create items about them. --Emu (talk) 19:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rdrg109: A conference series is not a single talk. Having items for each talk in every conference ever happened (rules apply universally) would be spam IMHO.--Угрожаемого положения (talk) 21:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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