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See also[edit]

This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property

  1. Search if the property already exists.
  2. Search if the property has already been proposed.
  3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
  4. Select the right datatype for the property.
  5. Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
  6. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.

Creating the property

  1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
  2. Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
  3. See property creation policy.

On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2024/05.


Filial church[edit]

Park[edit]

Hierarchy of administrative territorial entities[edit]

Properties proposed in RfC "Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories"[edit]

recognition[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioninternational recognition of the statement (use as qualifier for P31, P17, and P131)
Data typeItem
Example 1Armenia (Q399)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078) → "international recognition of Armenia"
Example 2Crimea (Q7835)country (P17)Russia (Q159) → "recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia"
Example 3Israel (Q801)instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078) → international recognition of Israel (Q6055209)

recognized by[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionMISSING
Data typeItem
Example 1international recognition of Kosovo (Q23052) → United States of America (Q30)
Example 2"recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" → Sudan (Q1049)
Example 3"international recognition of Armenia" → United States of America (Q30)

not recognized by[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionMISSING
Data typeItem
Example 1"international recognition of Armenia" → Pakistan (Q843)
Example 2"recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia" → Italy (Q38)
Example 3international recognition of Kosovo (Q23052) → Madagascar (Q1019)

jurisdiction status[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionjura statuso (eo) / Статус юрисдикции (ru) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data typeItem
Allowed valuesde jure (Q132555), de facto (Q712144), de jure/de facto (Q63813883)
Example 1Taiwan (Q57251)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)People's Republic of China (Q148) → de jure (Q132555)
Example 2Bir Tawil (Q620634)country (P17)Egypt (Q79) → de facto (Q712144)
Example 3Taiwan (Q22502)country (P17)Taiwan (Q865) → de jure/de facto (Q63813883)

Motivation[edit]

These proposed properties are part of a broader proposal at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories. Please comment there. --Yair rand (talk) 07:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, this page was specifically not supposed to be the discussion area for the proposals, as mentioned. (See also the lack of a "discussion" section on this page.) The actual proposal is described on the linked RFC page, and is not described on this page. Many of the comments above do not seem to be regarding the actual proposed properties as described in the RFC. The proposal and discussion area are at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Countries, subdivisions, and disputed territories. This page exists to be a pointer to there. --Yair rand (talk) 04:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Yair rand: Hi - it's been over 2 years since this proposal and RFC were started; there have been a few comments on the RFC since you last commented here, can you respond and perhaps we can settle where to go from here now? Another editor had marked these as ready but I am not sure on that (but they could be!) ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • After a member of the WikiProject Human rights had asked me today how to model that citizens of certain countries don't have certain rights, I created the proposal (not) officially recognized by . I embarrassingly missed that this proposal already existed ... however seeing that 1) this proposal has been met with opposition because it suggests "recognition" which can just be modeled with statement is subject of (P805) and "jurisdiction status" ... which can also just be modeled with nature of statement (P5102) & statement disputed by (P1310) and 2) that this proposal has apparently been abandoned it's probably good that I created a new proposal.
So please check out my proposal (not) officially recognized by ... I also have examples for human rights, animal rights, religions and atrocities and suggestions for some property constraints :)
--Push-f (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Street[edit]

Body of water[edit]

Geographic location[edit]

population by native language[edit]

   Ready Create
DescriptionPart of a larger population isolated for statistical analysis
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuespositive integers and 0
Example 1 source: National Institute of Statistics (Q6973708) https://www.recensamantromania.ro/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Tabel-2.02.1-si-Tabel-2.02.2.xlsx
Example 2 source: Hungarian Central Statistical Office (Q1125966) https://nepszamlalas2022.ksh.hu/adatbazis/#/table/WBS009
Example 3
⟨ Pristina (Q25270)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ Sandbox-Quantity (P1106) View with SQID ⟨ 426 ⟩
native language (P103) View with SQID ⟨ Macedonian (Q9296)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩
(from previous proposals)
See alsopopulation (P1082), male population (P1540), female population (P1539), rural population (P6344)

Motivation[edit]

Ethnic group is a very important linguistic and cultural property, strongly related to first language (Q36870) spoken. Even Wikidata is available in multiple languages. Many statistical offices publish data for this property.

The usage for this property would be the same as for population (P1082), with mandatory qualifier native language (P103).

I think it is more important and more relevant to store this information on Commons in json. --Bean49 (talk) 12:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

That's a logical fallacy and a strawman. Just because a group of people do or say something does not mean it has any merit whatsoever. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is official country statistical office against your opinion. I would like to store official data. What is wrong with it? Bean49 (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not an opinion, it is basic logic and basic statistics. If the method used for collecting the data is flawed then so is the data. Infrastruktur (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This shouldn't be discussion about the nature of the data, this should be discussion about how to store official data of country statistical offices, not one, but many. This property would be the most appropriate way. Thanks for any support, and appreciate if some one creates it. Bean49 (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By that same logic should we store craniometry data as well? I'm sure Paul Broca would be delighted. Infrastruktur (talk) 16:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bean49:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Infrastruktur:. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ZI Jony: Infrastruktur didn't comment about how to store official statistical data. He expressed what he likes, and what he don't. Population by ethnic group is a very important statistical data collected and published by many statistical offices and this property would be the most appropriate way to store it. Currently Wikimedia sites have to store this data in template parameter values with no possibility to share them between them. Bean49 (talk) 08:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It came in my mind that there are countries where there exist laws based on this data. Bean49 (talk) 17:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You still claim this is somehow "very important statistical data", yet you're unwilling to address my objection. If you don't have a common definition of ethnicity that is valid for all countries, and a common method for registering people, then this data is completely meaningless. Doing statistics across land borders is akin to adding apples and oranges, it is statistical nonsense. It's made worse when you don't use objective measures and instead try to use some subjective measures like group identity or race theory. I would suggest a better place for this data is the local wiki, since at least within the borders of one country, it is hopefully understood what the data represents and how it is collected. Infrastruktur (talk) 15:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have to define data, I don't create data. I help to store existing relevant official demographic data to support Wikipedia articles. Bean49 (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Infrastruktur: Would it be more acceptable if we name it population by native language? Could you help, how to store these data by the Statistics Finland (Q798557)? Some are presented in en:Languages of Finland as “Finnish is the language of the majority, 85.7% of the population in 2022. [...] Swedish is the main language of 5.2% of the population in 2022”, but there are many more native language related data. With thanks, Bean49 (talk) 09:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that would work well. Alternatives such as "population by country of origin" has the drawback of not counting children of immigrants, it might not also be the same as country of birth. When I look at the Statistics Finland website it is clear what they mean by country of birth, but I don't know what their precise definition of "origin" is, but I suppose it is good enough. Another alternative is to have a property that is only valid for one country (statistics bureau), in the case of 'ethnicity' data. Infrastruktur (talk) 12:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I updated the proposal. Bean49 (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Infrastruktur will you change your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 15:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The votes were only valid for the original proposal. I don't mind the new proposal, I just hope it isn't a creative way to get around my objections and still use the ethnicity data. The only sensible way to register ethnicity data is if this was made into a Hungary-only property, in which case I wouldn't have any objections either. Infrastruktur (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What if we put a mandatory criterion used (P1013) qualifier for population by ethnic group? Bean49 (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the 2021 Romanian census (Q106566382) there were two separate questions: ethnicity and native language. Published results are here. Could be two properties, but even one would be a considerable progress. Bean49 (talk) 17:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Native language' is well understood and can be used globally. What Romania considers to be ethnic groups may not be what Hungary understands to be ethnic groups. I consider people will be very tempted to try to compare such numbers globally even if that is not a valid thing to do. To avoid that risk altogether it is better to have separate properties for ethnicity per country, even if that is more work. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Support for property for 'population by native language'. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Bean49 (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Neighborhood[edit]

Architectural structure[edit]

‎AccessAble venue ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionMISSING
RepresentsAccessAble (Q96635767)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Sea Life London Aquarium (Q3312744) → 1dc5a78a-3f7f-4a49-8b28-429deb3709e8
Example 2Church of St John The Baptist (Q26672714) → 25a448bd-038d-4100-b42e-6cd3e4152918
Example 3Finsbury Park railway station (Q536796) → 30fa8272-b18f-4c3c-832c-451b211b9fef
Example 4Andover War Memorial Hospital (Q23926537) → 7667ed5d-d9be-1d4e-99ca-2400bc2234e2
↳ subject named as (P1810) → Andover War Memorial Hospital
Example 5Andover War Memorial Hospital (Q23926537) → 321b80ee-57e9-da46-a58d-a68b460ab263
↳ subject named as (P1810) → Chapel
Example 6Andover War Memorial Hospital (Q23926537) → 4cdf8e59-ac5f-114c-bec3-383630c72902
↳ subject named as (P1810) → Maternity Ultrasound
Example 7Banbridge Library (Q55263395) → c97b28f6-9d46-7643-b6fc-969018730868
Example 8Dublin Connolly railway station (Q2543742) → 8b93cbee-f58f-449d-86ab-dd333233f62a
Example 9Chester Zoo (Q3139243) → 898982f4-adff-4662-96c7-ab3bae58a406
Sourcehttps://www.accessable.co.uk/
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.accessable.co.uk/searches?query=$1
Applicable "stated in"-valueAccessAble (Q96635767)
Single-value constraintno
Distinct-values constraintyes

Motivation[edit]

AccessAble (formerly known as DisabledGo) is a resource with tens of thousands of accessibility guides for venues in the United Kingdom and Ireland. The information in the guides is highly reliable and gathered from real surveys, providing detailed information and photographs documenting the accessibility of the venues. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Outer space[edit]

Please visit Wikidata:WikiProject Space for more information. To notify participants use {{Ping project|Space}}

Classification of human settlements[edit]

glubinka.by ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for Belarusian places on glubinka.by
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Zembin (Q2061031) -> minskaya-oblast/borisovskij-rajon/zembin
Example 2Rudnia (Q16714892) -> minskaya-oblast/chervenskij-rajon/rudnya
Example 3Orsha (Q208609) -> vitebskaya-oblast/orshanskij-rajon/orsha
Formatter URLhttps://glubinka.by/$1.html
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintyes

Motivation[edit]

Big site with photos and texts of Belarusian places. Creative Commons BY-SA 4.0. Actually this website is the project of my friend.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vitaly Zdanevich (talk • contribs) at 07:12, May 4, 2024‎ (UTC).

Discussion[edit]

Other[edit]

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