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IdRef ID
identifier for authority control in the French collaborative library catalog (see also P1025). Format: 8 digits followed by a digit or "X"

Description	Reference authority control number of the French academic libraries. Rather use SUDOC editions (P1025) for books and editions.
Represents	IdRef (Q47757534)
Associated item	Agence bibliographique de l'enseignement supérieur (Q2826570)
Applicable "stated in" value	IdRef (Q47757534)
Has quality	VIAF component (Q26921380)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	fr:Modèle:Autorité: "SUDOC" - Template:Authority control (Q3907614) commons:Template:Authority control: "SUDOC" - Template:Authority control (Q3907614) en:Template:Authority control: "SUDOC" - Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Domain	persons, places, organizations, works... (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	(\d{8}[\dX]|) (numeric string, 8 digits, possibly suffixed by X or another digit)
Example	Victor Hugo (Q535) → 026927608 (RDF) Ukraine (Q212) → 02640267X (RDF) The Thinker (Q154571) → 073412929 (RDF)
Source	https://www.idref.fr/
Formatter URL	https://www.idref.fr/$1 https://www.idref.fr/$1.rdf https://www.idref.fr/$1.xml
Robot and gadget jobs	DeltaBot does the following jobs: <DeltaBot-viaf>
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P269 (Q47005094)
Related to country	France (Q142) (See 674 others)
See also	SUDOC editions (P1025), Theses.fr person ID (P4285), National Thesis Number (France) (P5005)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Items with deprecated claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Constraint violations/P269 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 1,271,250 Main statement 1,033,467 81.3% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 237,780 18.7% of uses
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[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P269#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P269#Scope, SPARQL

Format “([0-9]{8}[\dX]|)”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P269#Format, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), version, edition or translation (Q3331189)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P269#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P269#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P269#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

This property is being used by:

• fr:Module:Autorité
• s:fr:Modèle:Autorité
• s:ru:Шаблон:Внешние ссылки
• ar:قالب:ضبط استنادي
• be-x-old:Шаблён:Бібліяінфармацыя
• eo:Ŝablono:Bibliotekoj
• s:sl:Predloga:Avtor
• d:Template:Authority control/wrapper
• ko:틀:위키데이터 속성 추적
• wikt:ko:틀:위키데이터 속성 추적
• incubator:Template:Wp/jje/위키데이터 속성 추적
• en:Template:Wikidata property tracking

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Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Distinguish

Not to be confused with SUDOC editions (P1025). --Kolja21 (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I will change the label from "IDref identifier (SUDOC authority)" to "SUDOC authority (IDref identifier)" so both properties are consistently named. I hope nobody minds. --Kolja21 (talk) 04:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

constraint report relating to Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410)

If instance of (P31) is a Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) the presence of IdRef ID (P269) is prohibited

see: Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) with SUDOC authorities (P269) . Usualy there might be two possibilities:

a) please identify the non - ambiguation page (WD item) where the property SUDOC authorities should be moved;
"normally" no other statements should be left at the disambiguation page;
it can happen that a set of properties should be moved to another (a second) WD item, another set to a third WD item etc.

b) verify which language is a disambiguation page and separate it from the rest; please use Gadget-labelLister.js ^{can be activated at preferences#gadgets} to remove all faulty descriptions after the disambiguation page is separated (the languages are de, en, fr, es, pt, pt-br, ru, se and possibly some others).

Thanks in advance! gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 17:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

URL formatter

The IdRef website UI allows users to copy URLs that include a /id suffix (e.g. http://www.idref.fr/02640267X/id) even though it is just a redirect. I added that optionality to the URL formatter. Samoasambia ✎ 06:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Type de notice / Record type

Vladimir Alexiev Jonathan Groß Andy Mabbett Jneubert Sic19 Wikidelo ArthurPSmith PKM Fuzheado Daniel Mietchen Epìdosis Sotho Tal Ker Bargioni Silvia.Cagnizi Carlobia Pablo Busatto Uomovariabile Silva Selva 1-Byte Alessandra.Moi CamelCaseNick moz AhavaCohen Kolja21 RShigapov Jason.nlw MasterRus21thCentury NGOgo Pierre Tribhou JordanTimothyJames Silviafanti Back ache AfricanLibrarian M.roszkowski Rhagfyr 沈澄心 MrBenjo S.v.Mering Hiperterminal מקף Lovelano Ecravo Chado07 Erfurth Quetzalquill LPC359 Mcampany Trivialist DrThneed Pru Mitchell

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control

Hello all, as perhaps with others authority files, IdRef maintains two separate identifiers for organisations (collectivités) and places (lieux). It is often the case that both overlaps within a single concept in Wikidata : for example, https://www.idref.fr/026376296 is for Spain (Q29) as a state (i.e. for publications by or about the Spanish government), while https://www.idref.fr/027224406 is for Spain (Q29) a as place (i.e. for publications whose contents pertain to Spain, physicaly speaking). There presence at the same time on Spain (Q29) raise a constraint error. There are already separators enabled for single-value constraint, but in the case of Spain subject named as (P1810) will not be helpful (both records have the same heading), while alternative name (P4970) doesn't feel like the best solution for this problem, or, rather, I feel like it would be more efficient to distinguish at the root of the problem, i.e. the type of the record. I was thinking that object of statement has role (P3831) could be useful in this case: the value of the qualifier could either be a generic item (for all authority files which distinguish between person/organisations/places, etc.) or specific (only for IdRef). What would you think? --Thomas Kerboul (BGE) (talk) 14:31, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

I very much agree, object of statement has role (P3831) is the best option. Epìdosis 15:38, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

BTW, object of statement has role (P3831) is useful as separator also when a person has two IDs, one "normal" and one to which object of statement has role (P3831)pseudonym (Q61002) could (and should) be applied. Epìdosis 15:53, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

+1. Same separator used in the case of GND, see Help:P227. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:27, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply so far, I shall wait a few days in case someone else has some inputs on it. @Kolja21: there is probably some cleaning to do as I don't think that GND has some many different types:

PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>
SELECT ?role ?roleLabel(COUNT(?role) AS ?count) (SAMPLE(?item) as ?sample) WHERE {
 ?item p:P227 [ pq:P3831 ?role ] .
 ?role rdfs:label ?roleLabel .
 FILTER (lang(?roleLabel) = 'de')
}

GROUP BY ?role ?roleLabel ?sample
ORDER BY DESC(?count)

Try it!

 – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomas Kerboul (BGE) (talk • contribs).

Wow, 64 results for this is surely too much, thanks for sharing; I help a bit in reducing them. --Epìdosis 08:06, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

UPDATE: I have now added 13 types of authority records used by IdRef : natural person IdRef record (Q136204042), IdRef corporation or conference record (Q136204043), Q136204044, Q136204045, Q136204046, Q136204047, Q136204048, Q136204049, Q136204050, Q136204051, Q136204052, Q136204053, Q136204054. --Thomas Kerboul (BGE) (talk) 11:21, 10 September 2025 (UTC)