Property talk:P1315

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People Australia ID
identifier for people per National Library of Australia (see also P409 for the older Libraries Australia identifier). Format: 6 to 8 digits.
DescriptionNational Library of Australia party identifier
RepresentsNational Library of Australia (Q623578)
Associated item
Data typeExternal identifier
Domain
According to statements in the property:
human (Q5) and organization (Q43229)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values[1-9]\d{5,7}
ExampleAndrew Barton Paterson (Q436699)514760
Isaac Aaron (Q15994254)1500864
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (Q1117048)458251
SourcePeople Australia has a Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting (Q2430433) interface to extract the information. (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Formatter URLhttps://trove.nla.gov.au/people/$1
Related to countryFlag of Australia.svg Australia (Q408) (See 78 others)
See alsoNLA (Australia) ID (P409)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/Archive/22#P1315
Current uses58,496
Search for values
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Format “[1-9]\d{5,7}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Format, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
Type “human (Q5), organization (Q43229): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), organization (Q43229)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#Type Q5, Q43229, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Scope is: the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1315#scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL (new)



More information needed[edit]

Right now the English label for this property is: "People Australia identifier". AFAIK the identifier is also used for companies etc (see: domain). Can someone add more information to the background of the project? Is it a kind of Australian VIAF? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

AFAICT, yes, it is. Ijon (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Background[edit]

  • Australian Research Data Commons (ARDC)
    • ARDC Party Infrastructure Project: FAQs

Please add more ...

Decision time[edit]

This seems to work for either people or party (or some others). Given its usage here, and >1M entries for people, I'd say we should use it for people only. --Magnus Manske (talk) 13:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Nonetheless, the data set in Mix'n'match definitely contains orgs as well as people, and a few geonames to boot. Ijon (talk) 16:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Single value?[edit]

This data set definitely contains multiple IDs for the same thing. E.g. for Soviet Union (Q15180). This isn't a one-in-10,000 exception. More like one in a hundred. Ijon (talk) 16:18, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

and, uh, British Library (Q23308)...
Perhaps @Wittylama: knows someone at the NLA who could shed light on why there are so many IDs for the British Library? Ijon (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I asked via Twitter and this was the response across several tweet replies: "So it looks like there was a problem with the initial data load from Libraries Australia back in 2009. We're looking into the solution. Fixing this isn't going to happen quickly. It will need some long term data work and will need to be looked at in the future. FYI, the People zone, where you get the NLA party id, is based on Encoded Archival Context - Corporate bodies, Persons, and Families. This is why you will see organisations as well people in there. The schema is here - http://eac.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/ ". [1][2][3][4].
I hope that helps. Wittylama (talk) 09:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)