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National Library of Chile ID
identifier for authority control managed by the National Library of Chile

Associated item	National Library of Chile (Q2901485)
Applicable "stated in" value	Collective Catalog of Bibliographic Authorities of Chile (Q19896851)
Has quality	VIAF component (Q26921380)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	\d{9}
Example	Michelle Bachelet (Q320) → 000223672 Mario Vargas Llosa (Q39803) → 000007572 Jorge Aravena Llanca (Q15435037) → 000050205
Formatter URL	http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F/?func=direct&local_base=bnc10&doc_number=$1
Related to country	Chile (Q298) (See 10 others)
See also	Biblioteca Nacional de Chile catalogue number (P1966), CCAB ID (P1890)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 14,812 Main statement 14,800 >99.9% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 9 <0.1% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Library of Congress (Q131454)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Format “\d{9}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “instance of (P31)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7369#Scope, SPARQL

Pattern ^10000000000000(\d{9})$ will be automatically replaced to \1. Testing: TODO list

Duplicate with incorrect faulty links

Why on earth was this made? We have CCAB ID (P1890). What's more, none of the example links are correct. Jay D. Easy (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

This property should not have been created. It is incorrect and CCAB ID (P1890) already does the job. --Cuatro Remos (talk) 22:16, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Pinging @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Sergey kudryavtsev, Vladimir Alexiev, Trade, Pigsonthewing, Kolja21: since they were involved in the approval discussion of this totally incorrect property. What's the point of having this dupped? By the way, ALL OF THE VIAF "citations" to National Library of Chile ID are incorrect. These should not be merged here. They indicate, though, there is a corresponding BNC ID which should be found manually, not automatically imported. --Cuatro Remos (talk) 22:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

+1. I still don't understand what is the benefit of this property. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• Hi @Jay D. Easy, Cuatro Remos, Kolja21: I was the original proposer and the discussion is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/National_Library_of_Chile_ID. I want to assure you I made the proposal in good faith (while looking for missed VIAF contributor props), and asked "Do you know any Chileans who we can involve in this discussion?" So please also criticize this in good faith.
  • Look at the VIAF record https://viaf.org/viaf/10960703/ of president Michelle Bachelet. It contains https://viaf.org/processed/BNCHL%7C10000000000000000223672, which can be mapped to http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=bnc10&doc_number=000223672, which is National Library of Chile ID (P7369)
  • In contrast, http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=red10&doc_number=000606940 is CCAB ID (P1890)
  • If you look at https://viaf.org/viaf/10960703/rdf.xml, you will see http://viaf.org/viaf/sourceID/BNCHL%7C10000000000000000223672 listed in http://viaf.org/authorityScheme/BNCHL (National Library of Chile), but 606940‏ is not listed.
  • Someone had made a wrong "formatter URL" for National Library of Chile ID (P7369) that mixed up the bncatalogo.cl formatter and the viaf.org third-party formatter. I've now fixed this, and after a short while the "Wikidata property example" links should work
  • The 3 examples in the property proposal work ok!
  • So BN Chile has two IDs for each person and two pages with info about them. VIAF sources National Library of Chile ID (P7369), so I think we must also have it. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Vladimir Alexiev. It's much clearer now. I proposed the original property (this is my alternate, but now definitive account, and that's why I never received a notification) so I would've been interested in participating in the discussion of this one. This new property does not link to the actual authority record which is shared by the National Library, the National Congress Library and the Pontifical Catholic University Library; instead, it seems to be the DIBAM (national libraries coordinator) authority record. This could and should be specified. Thanks for your efforts Vladimir. --Cuatro Remos (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Cuatro Remos: Feel free to add/change labels and descriptions of this prop, but the code BNCHL should stay as it's the code used in VIAF. It's strange why VIAF picked a DIBAM code instead of the code that is used more widely in Chile. http://viaf.org/viaf/sourceID/BNCHL%7C10000000000000000223672 is broken now, but when it worked, it showed 606940‏ as a secondary "red10" code (see the property proposal) --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 16:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@Vladimir Alexiev: thanks for the explanation. Makes sense! I stand corrected. I initially thought this was a effectively a duplicate. Take care! Jay D. Easy (talk) 18:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)