User talk:Infovarius/Archive/2015

Talk:Q173453

Hi infovarius, Thanks for helping me understand the difference between wind instruments and aerophone. Will it be possible for you to help me change the iw of the Bengali entry (bn:সুষির for Aerophone which I linked to wind instrument by mistake and am somehow unable to switch. Thanks --en:user:Dr.saptarshi--Dr.saptarshi (talk) 09:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Your revert in chemical substance

Hello, I saw your revert about my deletion. So if chemical substance (Q79529) is inverse of antimatter (Q83197), what is the inverse of matter (Q35758) ? Snipre (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Probably nothing. Because there is no anti-field (Q185674). --Infovarius (talk) 23:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I think we need to use definition: my definition of chemical substance is the one of the IUPAC (see here). You will see that particules are not considered as chemical substance, because chemistry deals only with atoms. So your statement that inverse of chemical substance is antimatter is not correct because chemical substance doesn't deal with particules: antimatter is mainly composed of antiparticules. Morever, your statement field of work (P101): physics (Q413) is very partial because chemical substance is the subject of plenty of other sciences like chemistry, biology, material science,... You mix chemical substance with physical substance. So please give a reference which can describe chemical substance like inverse of antimatter.

Matter and antimatter are at the same level of the classification and are both part of physical entity. Antimatter is not part of matter from a scientific point of view. Snipre (talk) 01:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Deity

You reverted my edit in Q178885, where I removed wiki redirect in Czech. I did it because the article about Deity was merged with God a long time ago, as generally only one word is used for both. But some idiots still keep reverting it and add interwiki to the redirect.--Kohelet (talk) 11:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Please don't call me idiot unless you want to be blocked. @Kohelet:, do you think chthonic gods (Q611361) or naiad (Q182037) are Bohi or Božstva? I think that there is a slight difference and redirect has right to exist. In different item. --Infovarius (talk) 10:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Multiple heads of government

To your question from this summary: because it makes the Infobox of the w:ro:România article look like this (see "Sistem politic" / "Prim-Ministru"), and the P6 property thus behaves in an unexpected way (instead of returning the current head of government, as expected, it returns the comma-separated list of the last two prime ministers). Basically, no wiki can use this property to display the name of the current prime minister in an infobox. AFAIK, Wikidata indeed expects to store data for lists, but so far only Infobox data can be displayed.Andrei Stroe (talk) 10:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Andrei Stroe:, it's not a problem - one can use "preferred rank" to select current head of government. I suppose that this is implemented in ru-wiki, if you want I can search for the code of consult with other users. --Infovarius (talk) 10:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. If you have an example of how it was implemented in a wiki, I think I'll be able to take it from there and implement it in ro.wp.Andrei Stroe (talk) 08:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Q4616064

Hello Infovarius, you reverted my edit on item Q4616064. Can you explain why?--Hindust@ni^{क्या करें? बातें!} 06:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Since you don't replying I will explain you why I removed that interwiki link. This hi:वि:रोलबैकर्स is "wp:rollbackers" and that item is for "User access level". I am the one who added this in the first place which was a mistake. I corrected that twice and both times it got reverted! I'm going do it again.--Hindust@ni^{क्या करें? बातें!} 08:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I am sorry, I misunderstood it then. Now I've added this page to some item, so wrong addings shouldn't happen again. --Infovarius (talk) 16:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, you see my edits are not vandalism. So on Wikidata is there any Auto-patrolled right thing? If it is present then I will like to nominate myself.--Hindust@ni^{क्या करें? बातें!} 16:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Revert on followed by (P156)

Hi, I don't understand your revert to followed by (P156)... The fact that it is used incorrectly on thousands of items doesn't make it less incorrect, surely? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 17:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

second (Q11574) and kilogram (Q11570)

You are correct that there are instance of (P31) unit of mass (Q3647172) and instance of (P31) unit of time (Q1790144) exist, however I think the more generic property measured physical quantity (P111) should be also filled in, otherwise there's no point in using this property if you can not consistently rely on it to provide the information about the unit. Since several SI units have it - such as kelvin (Q11579) and mole (Q41509), makes sense that all basic units would implement this property, so that tools that may use the units (especially once unit-enabled quantities are implemented) would have a standard way to discover the meaning of the unit. --Laboramus (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Good point. Hard to argue with this :) --Infovarius (talk) 19:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Your revert and question at nonprofit organization (Q163740)

Regarding your question at the revert: I made the change because a company (company (Q783794)) is only a form of organization (look at en:company: A company is an association or collection of individuals, whether natural persons, legal persons, or a mixture of both. ). What you mean is, that a nonprofit organization (Q163740) is the opposite of a business (business (Q4830453)) (according to en:business: A business, also known as an enterprise or a firm, is an organization involved in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers.). Or otherwise said, company (company (Q783794)) is about form (multiple persons pursuing a goal together), business (business (Q4830453)) about purpose (earning money). That everyday language often assumes company==business shouldn't stop us from being exact in Wikidata. :-) --S.K. (talk) 20:33, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

restaurant (Q11707) (restaurant) v.s. fine dining restaurant (Q19316447)

I don't understand the difference between this 2 entities. it seems you know more subtle details for the uk/ru version (i don't speak those languages). Could you explain a little more?

Bianjiang (talk) 01:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

@Bianjiang:, as I understand, in English en:restaurant means any company which provides food and place for eating it. In Russian under word "ресторан" (although directly derived from fr:restaurant) we mean some special type of feeding companies. For example, cafe is not a "ресторан", neither tea-house nor cantene. I cannot say the exact feature which makes the difference but "ресторан" usually have higher prices, special cuisine, and it was (in Russia recently) only for rare, elite eatings. --Infovarius (talk) 10:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Kalevala (Q130924)

Отсоединено потому что s:ru:Калевала — это Калевала в переводе Леонида Бельского. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 13:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Soup is not food

Regarding this revert: when I use AutoList to find all food from Russia (for example), Borscht will now never show up anymore. As far as I'm aware, there is no tool that will collect all items from "sub classes" in such a way. Therefor I'm not sure why your edit would improve wikidata, except for "database science". But WikiData is not a relational database, and lacks the reporting tools that professional databases have. For that reason, to my opinion we better add more properties to Wikidata, instead of deleting properties because "in some way they might be obvious". I'm looking forward to see where I miss the clue, can you please advice? Edoderoo (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata very often does this: Borscht is a subclass of soup, and soup is a subclass of food. It is the same as with categories: if it is present in a subcategory, it should not be included in the category itself. What apparently is missing are tools that can handle this. - Brya (talk) 09:05, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Weird, we do not have the tools, compare it to categories while it has actually no relation to categories, and so we loose all visibility. Edoderoo (talk) 09:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

If you think that is bad you should look at the taxonomy items where we have items that by their inherent structure rely on other items, even though these do not exist and are not all that likely to be created in the short term (resulting in a structure that inevitably is incomplete). Not to mention all those items on fictitious taxa. - Brya (talk) 09:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

@Edoderoo:. But there is possibility in Autolist to collect all subclasses! What query do you use? --Infovarius (talk) 10:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Property proposal

Антон, я предложил в Wikidata:Property proposal/References "идентификатор издания РГБ". Выскажите своё мнение, пожалуйста, а то тишина… -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Reversion of "Adage"

Hello!

I would like to know why did you reverted my edition to the page Adage, where I added the translation to the portuguese "Lei epigramática". AFAIK you don't even speak Portuguese and the edition was in accordance with both pages on Wikipedia, so how exactly did you concluded that my edition was inapropriate?!

Best wishes,

Momergil (talk) 17:43, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Pterygota (Q2743384)

Dear editor, bn:বুদ্ধনারকেল's scientific name is Pterygota alata which is a species of en:Pterygota (genus). So those articles should not be interlinked. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 01:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

It is not very clear what the page is about. The first sentence claims it is about Pterygota alata, but the taxobox claims it is about Pterygota. - Brya (talk) 08:02, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Виктор - Q539581

Здравствуйте. Скажите пожалуйста - зачем в синоним (алиасы) добавлять имя Виктор на английском языке - Victor? Допустим - они же не ставят наш вариант у себя, да и вариантов тогда много получается - языков то много каких есть. Maximum.innovation (talk) 12:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Имена здесь - больной вопрос. Возьмём, к примеру, какого-нибудь Виктора Рикенбаха. На латинице он пишется именно Victor, и Юра (есть тут один фанатик, который разделил кучу элементов об именах, и этим самым, по-моему всё усложнил) будет спорить, что его имя именно Victor (Q539581), а не Viktor (Q17524135). А у какого-нибудь Виктора Шмидена - всё наоборот. Как видите, для кирилличных языков здесь всё равно, но "латинистам" важно. --Infovarius (talk) 13:27, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

redirs

Please do not readd them. --Succu (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@Succu:, please don't delete them. They have structural need. --Infovarius (talk) 05:42, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Which? --Succu (talk) 05:42, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

They allow to go from a page with information in language A to a page with the same (or more) information in language B. --Infovarius (talk) 05:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

No, they are artefacts because the en-page was moved. Wikidata did not allow the additions auf redirects. --Succu (talk) 05:52, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

They are the best solution to "Bonny and Clyde problem". Please look the numeruous discussions (e.g. this). And they can be added, but not directly. --Infovarius (talk) 06:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

There is no „Bonny and Clyde problem” and I know the discussions. I had a look a Mycoplasmatales (Q3869074) ([1]). You artifically created redirs. I removed them all. Use local interlanguage links if you want connecting pages like this. --Succu (talk) 06:49, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I hope you mean taxonomy in your first phrase. But there is "genus-species problem" (when some Wikipedias has article about higher taxon, some about lower, sometimes there are both). Using local links in each language to connect to 1 en-wiki?? I though this is the thing we wanted to avoid with the help of Wikidata. --Infovarius (talk) 07:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

It's a decision of the local communities to allow a redirect from a genus to a species or vice versa. There are a lot of classes with a single species only. That means a lot of possible redirects. --Succu (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that means a lot of redirects but this gives us connectivity. Again: do you want to go back to local interwikis? Just keep it here: Wikidata:Requests for comment/A need for a resolution regarding article moves and redirects. --Infovarius (talk) 04:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Connectivity? No. One purpose of WD sitelinks is to resolve wrong redirecting, not to support it. --Succu (talk) 06:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

table tennis shot (Q4469330)

Hello Infovarius, i saw that you've defined topspin (Q936809) as a subclass of (P279) of table tennis shot (Q4469330). I don't speak the russian language, so could you give me an english description for this item. So it would be easier to find a fitting label in the other languages. --Korrektor123 (talk) 14:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I've added several labels. It's an article describing types of shots in table tennis. --Infovarius (talk) 15:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks --Korrektor123 (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Q17573799 and Q18325033

Hi Infovarius. Can't we merge Q17573799 to poison (Q40867)? Similarly, can't we merge Q18325033 to periodic table (Q10693)?
If not, could you please add English labels? --Leyo 21:28, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately no because there are 2 sitelinks in 1 project in each case. In first they are synonyms in Russian language, in second they are in different scripts. --Infovarius (talk) 04:34, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

OK. Could you please add English (and German?) labels then? --Leyo 19:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

About Den schastya (Q4158460)

Now I have 2 doubt: 1) black-and-white (Q16718910) is different from black-and-white (Q838368)? 2) black-and-white (Q16718910) have P31=film genre (Q201658) so maybe is better to use genre (P136)? --ValterVB (talk) 11:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the solution can be this? --ValterVB (talk) 11:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@ValterVB:. 1) In many languagees black-and-white (Q838368) corresponds strictly to the photography, not movies. But enwiki seems to have more general term... 2) I don't like statement "B/W is a genre" so as "animation film is a genre" so I don't like to use genre (P136). I like your proposal for the new property (properties?) Infovarius (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Koeln

Koeln has two official websites? As far as I can tell thats the official site -->

http://www.stadt-koeln.de/

(I am talking about this edit). -- Spiros790 (talk) 09:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I am sorry, I didn't notice another webpage. But how can we approve one of them? --Infovarius (talk) 09:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

thats the official page according to w:en:Cologne & w:de:Köln. I checked the content of both webpages and i think that stadt-koeln.de is the one. Perhaps we should ask German editors just in case. -- Spiros790 (talk) 13:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I mean Wikipedia and all editors (including us) are not authoritative sources for the statement after all. How one can prove the "officiality" objectively? --Infovarius (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

this is easy to clarify, see the Impressum of stadt-koeln.de (major/city administration, address: city hall) and of koeln.de (company NetCologne). so stadt-koeln.de is the official website. Holger1959 (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Q19824402

Hi Infovarius,

I like your edit, but I made it into a new item, see above. I think we might need a new property to store transliteration(s). --- Jura 21:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jura1:, please switch the items because most (all?) persons linked to Q19002866 have slavic name "Дмитрий", not some "Dmitry". I don't want to massively change targets to new item. --Infovarius (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

For users of Roman script, an item with a corresponding label should be helpful. Thus I added the above as a second item. --- Jura 11:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding redirects

Hallo Infovarius,

You're keep adding redirects to items, but Wikidata:Notability states:

"Обратите внимание, что одной странице Викимедиа-проекта не может соответствовать более одной ссылки в Викиданных, и что ссылка в Викиданных не может вести на перенаправление."

The reference states:

"В настоящее время сообщество приняло решение разрешить перенаправления, однако необходимые изменения в Викиданных пока не внедрены."

So, it will become possible, but isn't yet. Now it causes all kinds of problems and those need to be solved before redirects can (should) be added. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 06:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cycn:: This seems to have been a technical issue. Have a look at the footnote in the English language version. --- Jura 06:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

"Currently, the community has chosen to have redirects allowed, although the necessary changes have yet to be deployed on Wikidata." - as I said, doesn't work yet. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 06:14, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

If I may, this works. see Help:Redirects and Help:Merge, redirects are deployed and are the preferred method to merge items now. TomT0m ^(talk) 06:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

That are completely different redirects, unless the footnote would actually refer to redirects on Wikidata itself, then "and that a sitelink cannot point to a redirect." is clear enough. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 06:47, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't, though, "the footnote links to "article moves and redirects", not to redirects on Wikidata. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 06:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, I misanderstand it seems, are you here talking of:

1. Sitelinks on Wikidata who are redirects on Wikipedia or other projects ?
2. Items redirecting on Items ?

The first one is not possible, but there is a trick : transform the redirect on WIkipedia temporarily into a regular article or a soft redirect, do the linking on Wikidata, then restore the redirect

Wikidata:Notability/Exclusion criteria specifically mentions "soft redirects", those should never be included. Articles obviously should be included, the issue is about "hard redirects". The quotes mention those and state that the community decided that including them should be made possible, but that this has not yet been implemented. Until it is implemented not redirects should be added as sitelinks, like Infovarius is doing on, for instance, Beauxbatons (Q1771867). - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 09:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

The second one is deployed and is working. TomT0m ^(talk) 06:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's implemented, but that seems to be working fine even though I had my doubts. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 09:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

General discussion

As you obviously favor adding "good redirects" in Wikidata, as an alternative to articles, you may want to check the discussion about this topic. You can find it here: Wikidata:Requests for comment/A need for a resolution regarding article moves and redirects. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 07:58, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cycn:, @Succu:, so I see in this discussion a clear consensus for technical possibility and no clear votes against the very proposal about using redirects. What do you see there? --Infovarius (talk) 11:21, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Problems... And no workable implementation, and until this is implemented in a way that adding a redirect does not trigger all kinds of effects that effectively damage the item, redirects cannot be added, yet. Once concensus is clear (not to you, but to the developers as well) and the implementation issues are solved there should be a notification, I suppose. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 11:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

What problems are there now with adding redirects by workaround (e.g. adding sitelink before making a page the redirect)? (Not mentioning some tools are trying to "resolve redirections") Infovarius (talk) 10:11, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Aren't those tools reason enough to wait for the issues to be fixed? Adding by workaround isn't a solution to prolbems, it's a workaround, and a workaround indicates there's still something to be fixed. If you add a redirect to an item Wikidata will try to fix it and add the target page. Iff (if and only if) adding "good" redirects is implemented, you should be able to add redirects directly to items, so it won't be necessary to use a workaround. - cycŋ - (talk • contribs • logs) 12:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Stack Exchange tag (P1482)

Hi, I had to undo your edit on Stack Exchange tag (P1482) (Special:Diff/213249405). Please notice that the property's data type is URL, it's not an identifier that needs a formatter URL. On top of being semantically wrong, adding a formatter URL to it makes authority control mangle statements with that property id, thus resulting in invalid links. Cheers, Hoo man (talk) 23:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Q1254860 revert

Could you please explain the revert here: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1254860&oldid=213086141&diff=prev ?

I think it should be instance of "fictional human" since it makes it easy to separate real humans from fictional ones, e.g. in queries. If we don't do that, we'd have to traverse the whole "subclass/instance" chain each time we encounter somebody that might be human - such as when we ask "who were presidents of the USA" (position held (P39) President of the United States (Q11696)   ) but we don't want to include Thor (Q4003185)   . If we don't have small set of entities each of those is linked to, we'd have to scan the hierarchy for each of them and that would make such queries very slow. So I think it'd be nice to have fictional character (Q95074) or fictional human (Q15632617) on each of them, just as we do for human (Q5). --Laboramus (talk) 06:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

There's two solutions for the situation. On one hand we can have as small statements in an item as possible (so if wizard in the Harry Potter universe (Q15298259) is a subclass of fictional human (Q15632617) we don't put general class). In this case we have to parse all the tree of subclasses, yes. But it is possible right now (WDQ). On the other hand we can try to predict all the queries we might to use in future and include all possible classes to make the queries direct. In this case we have to add instance of (P31) fictional human (Q15632617),wizard in the Harry Potter universe (Q15298259),fictional entity (Q14897293),work (Q386724) and so on...

I suppose there were somewhere a discussion "precise class vs many general classes". This is unsolved problem by now. --Infovarius (talk) 14:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

About Schnitzler

What is the reason for these change? en page and sv page are about the surname, all the other page are disambiguation page. --ValterVB (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

@ValterVB:, All moved are lists of persons with the same surname. We at ru-wiki consider them pages about surnames. --Infovarius (talk) 17:10, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

For ru.wiki those pages are tagged like disambiguation pages. Maybe is better to delete tag "__DISAMBIG__" in template? --ValterVB (talk) 17:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Q19421626 и Q7343592

Здравствуйте! Скажите, пожалуйста, почему вы отменили мои правки по данным категориям? Что не так? — Small Bug (talk) 15:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Small Bug:, наводящий вопрос - а вы смотрели подкатегории там и там? Restaurant не переводится как ресторан, так уж сложилось исторически. "У них" restaurant - это любая забегаловка покушать или попить (например, кафе, пиццерия, паб), в России (и думаю, в ближайших славянских и постсоветских странах) под рестораном понимается нечто другое, с авторской кухней. --Infovarius (talk) 17:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Я прекрасно понимаю, что в разных разделах существуют разные подкатегории. Пускай каждый сам решает какие подкатегории ему добавлять. Задача проекта Викиданных организовать связность между статьями, категориями и не только. Вы не правы, когда говорите, что "у них" ресторан - это любая забегаловка. В тех же США много ресторанов разной направленности: с национальной, местной или зарубежной кухней (китайской, итальянской, мексиканской и т.д.), элитные, где тусуется бомонд, для среднего класса и, как вы говорите, забегаловки, но у них это скорее всего сети ресторанов быстрого питания (в России понятие "ресторан быстрого питания" тоже прижилось). Понятие "авторская кухня" связано прежде всего с поваром, работающим в ресторане, а не с самим рестораном. Часто говорят, пойдём на Имя повара. Как вариант нашей Категория:Предприятия общественного питания (Q7343592) существует Category:Foodservice companies (Q10063887). А рестораны надо вернуть к ресторанам. -- Small Bug (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

@Small Bug:, я хочу сказать (и вы частично подтверждаете), что в США под рестораном понимается и элитные и забегаловки, у нас же второе не включается. Поэтому понятия не совпадают. Про Foodservice company посмотрю. --Infovarius (talk) 10:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

При этом я написал, что понятие "рестораны быстрого питания" прижилось в России. При необходимости могу и источники привести. Категория таких ресторанов рано или поздно появится в русском разделе, в английском — она есть (Q5831181). Суть дела в том, что в английском и других разделах могут добавлять какие угодно подкатегории. Мы в русском разделе можем что-то принимать или не принимать, но явных перекосов, как с ресторанами, быть не должно. Участники иноязычных разделов должны попадать в категорию ресторанов напрямую. -- Small Bug (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

1. Я посмотрел Foodservice companies - это не то. В них входит кейтеринговые компании, которые не являются ни restaurant, ни предприятиями общепита. 2. Я всё ещё не согласен, что restaurant=ресторан и соответственно категории разные. "Cafe is a subclass of restaurant" верно, а "кафе - подкласс ресторана" нет. "Рестораны быстрого питания", видимо, отдельный класс. --Infovarius (talk) 09:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Ringworld (Q3936041)

Hi there, due to the latest reverts at Ringworld (Q3936041): The only interwiki link which is available there is a link the itwiki about the disambiguation page of the word 'Ringworld'. Everything else has been moved prior to Ringworld (Q3860634), Ringworld (Q1505793) and Ringworld series (Q3008300). So Q3936041 is just a simple disambiguation page.
Best regards, --#Reaper (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Reaper35:. Ok, it's a page about a word. But I suppose the very word is created by Larry Niven and reflects his fiction astrophysical object. --Infovarius (talk) 17:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI

See User talk:Ghuron#P31 disambiguation re [2]. A good chunk of false positives in there. --Izno (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Q18336849

See User_talk:Jura1/32/1aruJ:klat_resU#item with given name property (Q18336849). --Yair rand (talk) 13:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Q12715471

I removed the statement P31:Q411585, since Doublet (Q411585) is a disambig-item. Maybe we should make up a new item for such cases?

said to be the same as (P460):Nynorsk (Q25164) looks fully correct and is what I should have added myself when I arrived to that item.

But I think you have to explain: language of work or name (P407):Q25164? The article is "about" Nynorsk on a Nynorsk wiki, but the only related article is written in Högnorsk. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 12:07, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing wrong link to disambig. By language of work or name (P407) I meant the language of the text of the article. I've changed to Högnorsk according to what you've said. --Infovarius (talk) 14:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Q120997 flock

See Talk:Q120997. I removed the statement P279:Q43229. Flock is not a subclass of organization. Organization should only refer to human organizations, from the description of organization: "social entity with a collective goal"

Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Я предложил ещё одно свойство для связи с РГБ, см. "код РГБ издания". Основная "фишка" в том, что описаниях на aleph.rsl.ru, встречаются ссылки на сканы, которых не найти через search.rsl.ru. В s:ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev/Журналы и газеты, я накапливаю коды для этого будущего свойства. Там где метка (pdf) — есть ссылки на сканы, если зачёркнутая, то ссылки есть, но они не работают. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Проголосуйте, пожалуйста, а то один "слегка против", а больше никого и не высказывается. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Что-то не могу разобраться в этом... --Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Номер, который предлагается, это номер карточки РГБ для книги, журнала, газеты, нотного издания, карты и т.п. Вы посмотрите на примеры, которые я там привел. Единственная сложность, это то, что есть RSL scanned publication ID (P1815), начинающиеся с "60", которые не имеют, видимо, карточки (см. мой диалог с Hazmat2). А в s:ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev/Журналы и газеты#aleph.rsl.ru находятся собранные коды для периодики, там же помечены записи, где есть ссылки на сканы. Этих сканов там достаточно много. Ссылки на сканы журналов "Вестник Европы", "Сын отечества", "Дело" и "Пантеон литературы" я уже добавил на соотв. викитечные страницы. Для облегчения этой работы всё и затеваю. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 14:11, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

duck (Q3736439)

Hey. There are four properties to link to Commons pages, Commons category (P373), Commons gallery (P935), Commons Creator page (P1472) and Commons Institution page (P1612). P373 is for links to categories, i.e. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:$1, P935 is for links to galleries, i.e. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1. As there exists a Commons category Ducks it's okay to say Commons category (P373)=Ducks. In contrast, there is no gallery Ducks. That means a claim Commons gallery (P935)=Ducks is invalid. Please revert your reverts. --Pasleim (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Pasleim:, I am sorry, I was too inattentive. I agree. --Infovarius (talk) 09:54, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Library of Congress Control Number (LCCN) (bibliographic) (P1144) on progressive education (Q834933)

LCCN: sh85107319 is a subject heading LCCN and as such it comes under authority control not bibliographic records. There are different types of LCCNs. So progressive education (Q834933) should have sh85107319 on Library of Congress authority ID (P244) and not Library of Congress Control Number (LCCN) (bibliographic) (P1144) (and the properties are marked to conflict with one another for that reason). 50.126.125.240 05:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. --Infovarius (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Q8229975

Hello, it seem that some translations in Category:Varieties of Greek (Q8229975) (subset of Greek language) belong to Category:Hellenic languages (Q20027609) (superset of Greek language). Could you look at ru translation in Q8229975? Please notice that, if you move ruwiki Sitelink from Q8229975 to Q20027609, then you must delete ru Label in Q8229975. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

@Visite fortuitement prolongée:, I can not derive the difference. Can you show me an example of idiom which is in superset, but not in subset? --Infovarius (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Greek language Greek (Q9129) is part of "hellenic languages" Hellenic (Q2042538) and is not part of Greek dialects Ancient Greek dialects (Q2477440)+Varieties of Modern Greek (Q2742027). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Poultry is a village in Russia

[3]. I don't suppose you remember what your intended value was here? --Yair rand (talk) 21:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I had not typed full word: Животновод instead of животноводство. --Infovarius (talk) 10:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Q2574811

Q2574811: [4]. Прошу отменить Вашу и вернуть мою правку, поскольку статья w:ru:Причина посвящена философским понятиям "причина", "причинность", "w:ru:причинно-следственная связь" (последнее являются редиректом на w:ru:Причина) и, таким образом, соответствует Q179289 и 53 интервикам. --Igel B TyMaHe (talk) 09:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

@Igel B TyMaHe:, Вы не видите разницы между понятиями "причинно-следственная связь" и "причина"? Статья именно про причину, про следствие там почти нету.

Разницу между словами я вижу, а между статьёй w:ru:Причина и Q179289 - нет. То, что кем-то Q179289 озаглавлено "Причинно-следственная связь", я оставлю на совести этого кого-то, потому что в РуВики оно всё равно перенаправляется на Причину, как и w:ru:Причинность (философия). Изучите вопрос поглубже и ещё раз подтвердите, что Причина - настолько уникальное понятие, что существует только в русском языке и только русской Википедии. --Igel B TyMaHe (talk) 22:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

peninsula (Q34763) subclass of (P279) landmass (Q205895)

Currently:

• landmass (Q205895) is described as a "contiguous area of land surrounded by ocean".
• peninsula (Q34763) is described as a "piece of land that is bordered by water on three sides but connected to mainland".
• peninsula (Q34763) is a subclass of (P279) landmass (Q205895)

I think at least one of these things must be incorrect. --Yair rand (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

@Yair rand:, obviously English description in first one is not accurate. Russian description is different: "часть поверхности планеты, не покрытая водами мирового океана и других водных объектов", i.e. "any part of surface not covered with water bodies". --Infovarius (talk) 18:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

quadratic function (Q50695)

Извините что отменил Вашу правку без описания, оно куда-то исчезло. Мне просто непонятно, как можно указать область определения, если элемент описывает класс функций, и у разных функций эти области разные. К тому же есть ещё complex quadratic polynomial (Q5156597). Danneks (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Я бы рекомендовал использовать definition domain (P1568) как квалификатор для области значения (это свойство предложено в Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science). -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sergey kudryavtsev: Квалификатор к какому утверждению? Я, честно говоря, не очень понимаю зачем в Викиданных указывать точные области значений (image, не codomain), они могут быть довольно сложные. Тогда как если не указана область определения, то иногда сложно бывает понять, что за функция имеется в виду. Danneks (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Как квалификатор к области значений (image), т.е. к предлагаемому для создания свойству. Его ещё нет, но, видимо, его скоро создадут. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 19:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sergey kudryavtsev:, чем "область значения" будет существенно отличаться от codomain (P1571)? --Infovarius (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Тут тонкое различие: P1571 (codomain, адекватного термина на русском не знаю) отличается от "области значения" (image, иногда domain), тем, что для любого элемента из image должен существовать набор аргументов, при котором функция вырабатывает такое значение. А для codomain такого требования нет, достаточно чтобы все возможные значения функции входили в codomain. Например для $\mathrm {tg} \,x$ (на множестве вещественных чисел) codomain будет множеством вещественных чисел, а image — множество вещественных чисел, не равных $\pi n+{\frac {\pi }{2}},$ где n — целое число. В школе и в институте мы использовали только термин "область значения", возможно, что в русскоязычной литературе этот термин используется как для codomain, так и для image, в зависимости от контекста. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 06:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

"Область отправления" и "область прибытия" - я добавлял, вроде достаточно стандартная терминология (в некоторых учебниках видел). Мне кажется, для многих функций "область значения" будет иметь разные отклонения (типа выколотой точки, или положительности и т.д.) и в результате не будет существовать элемента, в точности, ей равного. Поэтому, мне кажется, достаточно более широкого свойства "области прибытия", для которого значение подобрать всегда возможно. --Infovarius (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Q13180 and Q19842373

Hi,

Why did you revert my merge of Q13180 and Q19842373?

Both are about the fruit, not the taxon.

Regards,

Vargenau (talk) 14:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Q13180 is a taxon - subgenus (Rubus subg. Rubus). --Infovarius (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

About the Q13180 element, the en: article says "The blackberry is an edible fruit produced by many species in the Rubus genus in the Rosaceae family"

And it says that the taxon is Rubus fruticosus (Q13541716) or Rubus plicatus (Q15699806).

It is the same in the other languages I can read.

So I still think my merge was correct.

Best regards,

Vargenau (talk) 07:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@Vargenau:, I believe that your merge was wrong. Have you read dewiki or ruwiki? --Infovarius (talk) 21:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Q112608 and Q12900808

FYI this merge was a mistake. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I've just linked fr:Langues italo-romanes with ru:Итало-романские языки. --Infovarius (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Good catch. But does w:ru:Итало-романские языки include Friulian (Q33441) and Sardinian (Q33976), like w:it:Lingue italo-romanze ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Sardinian (Q33976) yes, Friulian (Q33441) no, it is of Rhaeto-Romance (Q515593). What a complicated classification! Media:Romance-lg-classification-ru.png. --Infovarius (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Then w:ru:Итало-романские языки is between w:fr:Langues italo-romanes and w:it:Lingue italo-romanze. I guess it is not a big issue, so i will not create a new Wikidata item for it. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

God and god (deity) are not the same thing

I see you are insisting that deity (Q178885) is the same as God (Q190). How have you arrived at that conclusion? Danrok (talk) 12:56, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@Danrok: And how can you differ them? --Infovarius (talk) 14:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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"Thank" ing edits

You and at least one other have thanked me for an edit. How is that done? I haven't come across that feature or instructions about it.

--Brantgurga (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

There is link near "revert" in recent changes/history/contributions. --Infovarius (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

link Kilowatt hour

Excuse me, I'm late. The link you asked me is en:kilowatt hour and the italian page is it:wattora. Can you connect the 2 pages? --Frank50 s (talk) 13:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Done. But you cannot go from it-article to ru-article and many others still... --Infovarius (talk) 21:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Gaussian elimination

Could you add some motivation for https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1195020&oldid=222909946&diff=prev and https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2658&oldid=222909942&diff=prev ? I took real precautions to move only the links that could be moved (ie the articles that were about the same notions as the english one, to make sure they were in the same item) and asked at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Massive_merge_suggestion_or_duplicate what to do about the others. As is, the (en) and (fr) articles cover the exact same topics but are not in the same item, so you can't reach one from the other, which seems completely stupid. I am moving the (fr) article back, not the other three for which I am not as competent to make a case Evpok (talk) 09:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Q27527

I think it isn't a supercontinent, quote from enwiki: „Afro-Eurasia is typically considered to comprise two or three separate continents but is not a proper supercontinent. Instead, it is the largest present part of the supercontinent cycle.“ --MGChecker (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

May be it depends on the definition of supercontinent? Quote from frwiki: "L’Afro-Eurasie est le supercontinent le plus grand de la Terre, composé de l’Eurasie et de l’Afrique". Dewiki and ruwiki also refers to it as a supercontinent. --Infovarius (talk) 21:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Vitamin A

I modified your edits about Vitamin A: as vitamin A is not one compound but several compounds, it can't be instance of organic compound. This can be an instance of a compound family and not an instance. Snipre (talk) 13:14, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Q20643070

Hello Infovarius, I did not understand why did you remove the label of Q20643070. Now there is no label at all and it is not possible to know what does this item correspond to? Do you think we should delete this item? I also would have the opinion of Visite fortuitement prolongée. Pamputt (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

The first label was not usefull either. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@Visite fortuitement prolongée: well, you seem to have created that itemhttps://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20643070&oldid=226287427 do you remember why ? author  TomT0m / talk page 20:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

TomT0m: Yes. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:51, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@Visite fortuitement prolongée: could you tell us why did you create this "lorem ipsum" item and why did you link it to item such as Basque (Q8752)? Pamputt (talk) 05:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Pamputt: Yes. I created Q20643070 because Q20162172 does not fit my need. I need an instance of Q17376908, and Q20162172 is a subclass of Q17376908. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Visite fortuitement prolongée: Not sure to have understood everything. Initially, you set the label to "lorem ipsum" which does mean anything (at least for me; I guess it was the same for Infovarius). So why do need more than human language (Q20162172) and languoid (Q17376908), for which purpose. We can continue in French if it is necessary to better explain. Pamputt (talk) 20:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

For lorem ipsum, see w:en:lorem ipsum or w:fr:lorem ipsum. And I already wrote that I need an instance of Q17376908 and that Q20162172 is a subclass of Q17376908. Plus Q17376908 is not and must not be an instance of Q17376908. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Visite fortuitement prolongée: Sorry but I still do not understand the purpose of this item. For example, why Indo-European (Q19860) is a subclass of (P279) of Q20643070 whereas it seems to me that human language (Q20162172) fits quite well to this? Or maybe human language (Q20162172) applies only for languages and not for language families? About "lorem ipsum", I checked the Wikipedia pages you gave me but I do not see the link with languages but maybe I missed something. Anyway, if we choose to keep this item, we should find a better name that described the most exactly its purpose. Pamputt (talk) 05:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

"why Q19860 is a P279 of Q20643070 whereas it seems to me that Q20162172 fits quite well to this?" →‎ Because this would be a type violation. Indo-European (Q19860) is instance of (P31) language family (Q25295), language family (Q25295) is subclass of (P279) languoid (Q17376908), human language (Q20162172) is subclass of (P279) languoid (Q17376908), Q20643070 is instance of (P31) language family (Q25295). If Indo-European (Q19860) is subclass of (P279) human language (Q20162172), then Q19860 P279 Q20162172 P279 Q17376908 => Indo-European (Q19860) subclass of (P279) languoid (Q17376908) and Q19860 P31 Q25295 P279 Q17376908 => Indo-European (Q19860) instance of (P31) languoid (Q17376908), but Indo-European (Q19860) must not be a subclass and an instance of languoid (Q17376908) at the same time. With Q20643070 it is fine. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

"Q20162172 applies only for languages and not for language families?" →‎ No. Have you looked at the History of Q20162172? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

"About "lorem ipsum", I checked the Wikipedia pages you gave me but I do not see the link with languages but maybe I missed something." →‎ You have missed the first sentence of w:fr:lorem ipsum "lorem ipsum [...] est, en imprimerie, un texte sans valeur sémantique, permettant de remplir des pages" Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

"we should find a better name that described the most exactly its purpose." →‎ The better name for Q20643070 is "human languages", and if Q20643070 Label is set to "human languages", then Infovarius will likely merge Q20162172 and Q20643070, like he did before to Q33831 and Q33289. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

instance of administrative territorial entity

claim[31:56061] has several Russian-language items that could be classified with a subclass.

[5]

Some belong to RF, some to RSFSR, for some I only found Soviet Union.

Maybe you can help? Huk700 (talk) 12:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Unicode character (P487) and unicty

Hi,

Unicode character (P487) = ™ is already on trademark symbol (Q1944044) and since there is a Constraint:Unique on Property talk:P487, I removed it from trademark (Q167270). Was I wrong?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, your solution sounds logical. --Infovarius (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

position (Q4164871)

Hi! This item is being widely used, but the description varies from language to language. From the languages that you know, could you tell if it is only limited to public offices or if it covers all types of positions? By the way, I am trying to refine the definition of title of authority (Q7810129), ecclesiastical occupation (Q11773926), court appointment (Q5178297), diplomatic rank (Q303618) and so on. Andreasm ^{háblame / just talk to me} 16:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

@Andreasmperu:, In Russian it covers any position, in other languages it seems that only official ones. By the way, title (Q216353) is about reward, not position, I suppose. --Infovarius (talk) 09:14, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Committee Against Torture (Q19908438)

Hello Infovarius,

I see you reverted the claim that the Commitee Against Torture stopped existing in 2015. Here is the situation: Legally, the organization "Committee Against Torture" disbanded in early August 2015.

There is a new organization called Committee for the Prevention of Torture. It is a structural reorganization which created a new legal entity. Nkrita (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your reverting on my edits of 作品 and "Creative work"

Please go to Wikidata:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#作品 really means "Creative work" for further discussion, thank you. UU (talk) 20:54, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Poultry again

The item poultry (Q178559) has the statement subclass of (P279) animal husbandry (Q80962), which you added a while ago. In English, (along with most other languages if I'm reading things correctly) the item corresponds to an article regarding "poultry", the type of bird, which would make the statement incorrect. I'm thinking that the Russian link on this item should be moved to poultry farming (Q861182) (in English "Poultry farming"), and the link there should be moved perhaps to chicken coop (Q683343), if the topics match. (poultry farming (Q861182) would then have subclass of (P279) animal husbandry (Q80962).) I don't speak Russian, so I'm not completely sure of whether the moves make sense. Could you take a look? Thanks. --Yair rand (talk) 05:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. Your plan is almost completely right, ru:Птичник is slightly more general than chicken coop (Q683343) but I found no more appropriate item, so let it here for a while. --Infovarius (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Board Game (Jeu de société)

Bonjour Infovarius,

I am a French contributor. I work in the domain of the game (I have an game entreprise with employees working in France, in Portugal and in Switzerland). In French, "Jeu de société" is a generic name for "board game" AND "multi-player game", the best translation is without contest the inter-wikis with English board game. The Wikipedia in Spanish has four articles "juego de tablero", "juego de mesa", "juego social" and "juego de sociedad" when the Wikipedia in French has ONE article "jeu de société" but the better link is the generic board game (cf. fr:Jeu de société#Synonymes).

GabrieL (talk) 09:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, you are probably right. --Infovarius (talk) 15:42, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

J.S. Bach: cause of death

The reason that I removed the claims that J.S. Bach died of stroke and/or(?) pneumonia is that my source, Christoph Wolff: Johann Sebastian Bach - The Learned Musician, ISBN 0393322564, page 443 states that "No reliable medical condition diagnosis can be made in retrospect on such scanty material, but the most convincing hypothesis suggest an old-age-related diabetic condition as the origin of Bach's final illness." Surely, stroke and/or pneumonia are possible causes, but so is cancer, as other sources claims on basis of a painting. My source is almost fifteen years old, så if you have newer and better sources, I urge you to state them in Wikidata so they can be controlled. If not, it is always better to be "roughly right" (in this case just state "natural death"), rather than running the risk of being "precisely wrong". I will put parts of this comment on the Bach discussion page. Regards Kaitil (talk) 09:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Pirog - Q858627

Hi, you undid my change on Pirog. Looking why you did this, I noticed that the problem seems to be rather on "Pie" Q13360264. The English term "pie" fits well on pirogs, but the German label for this item is "Obstkuchen", meaning "fruit cake", which of course does not cover "pirog" properly. Should I remove the interwiki from de:Obstkuchen to "pie"? -- JeLuF (talk) 21:26, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

@JeLuF:, yes, you are right. I suppose pie (Q13360264) corresponds simply to de:Kuchen. Interestingly there is also Kuchen (Q10754476). --Infovarius (talk) 15:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

"Kuchen" generally refers to sweet cakes, but not necessarily with fruit like Obstkuchen. There is also e.g. "Zwiebelkuchen" (lit.: onion cake), but most people would not think of that or Shepherd's Pie when you mention "Kuchen". The article en:Kuchen really makes things complicated. And the fact, that the topic "Pie" is partly covered on the disambiguation page de:Pie without its own lemma doesn't help, either. Is there a way to have n:m interwiki relations instead of 1:1 mappings? -- JeLuF (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we can't... Only technical possibility now is to use local interwikis (on each Wikipedia article, its own, different) to connect to closely related article. --Infovarius (talk) 09:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Ateism

Why you reverted my edit? atheism (Q7066) and impiety (Q3149430) have nothing to do. Almondega (talk) 21:51, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

@Almondega:, what difference do you see? Infovarius (talk) 15:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, in Portuguese (Q5146), impiety (Q3149430) means lack of piety (Q1411871). Piety, in turn, is usually understood in Brazil (Q155) as a feeling (Q205555) of compassion (Q1412160) for the suffering (Q5780945) of others. Relate atheism (Q7066) with impiety (Q3149430), it would, in a sense, to say that an atheist has no feeling for the suffering of others, which is not true and is quite offensive. Almondega (talk) 16:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Страна для районов городов

На мой взгляд, это совершенно избыточно, т. к. из её можно извлечь из города. Ситуация, кстати, подобна биологической классификации. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko:, в принципе, да, вычисляется. Но традиция сейчас такова, что все географические объекты должны иметь country (P17). Это используется, например, в инструменте отображения объектов на карте от Денни. --Infovarius (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Думаю, что инструмент не помешает улучшить :-) А с районами хватает проблем без добавления избыточной информации. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Q9143

Перенесено с b:ru:Обсуждение участника:Infovarius#d:Q9143.

Прошу не отменять мои правки на Викидате. Я лучше знаю, что чему больше соответствует в Викиучебнике. Oleg3280 (обсуждение) 14:14, 31 августа 2015 (UTC)

Сравните эти два учебника b:ru:Языки программирования в школе и b:ru:Язык программирования. Oleg3280 (обсуждение) 14:18, 31 августа 2015 (UTC)

Первый учебник больше соответствует Q9143 (Язык программирования). Oleg3280 (обсуждение) 14:20, 31 августа 2015 (UTC)

Я в ручном режиме связываю каждый из викиучебников и категорий с Викиданными. Oleg3280 (обсуждение) 14:28, 31 августа 2015 (UTC)

Полагаю, на этой странице ответ более вероятен.

FTR, мое мнение со времени Wikidata:Requests for comment/Commons links не изменилось — предмет и материалы по предмету (учебники, изображения, курсы, новости, …) являют собой заведомо различные сущности и, поэтому, «напрямую» связываться не должны. (Вместо этого, следует использовать механизм, подобный Commons category (P373).)

— Ivan Shmakov (d ▞ c) 17:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Уже ответил на своей странице обсуждения. Я не согласен, Иван, с Вашей личной точкой зрения в том обсуждении. (это своеобразная форма мести за тематическую категоризацию? Для полноты картины, Иван, ещё проголосуйте против флага патрулирущего в этом голосовании) Oleg3280 (talk) 18:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Учебники должны связываться со статьями в Википедии, категории с категориями, что логично. Oleg3280 (talk) 18:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Прошу обратить внимание администратора Википедии на фактическое преследование Иваном всех моих правок во всех проектах фонда. Только бесконечная и неконструктивная критика с его стороны... К тому же Иван против моего продления флага администратора в Викиучебнике, где он тоже администратор. Заранее спасибо. Прошу разобраться и выступить в качестве посредника хоть в АК В Википедии. У меня корректные слова на этот счёт давно закончились. Остались одни эмоции. Oleg3280 (talk) 18:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Название таксона — имя собственное

Доброго времени суток. Как я понимаю, русский раздел этого проекта должен соответствовать правилам, принятым для русской Википедии. Хочу заострить ваш взгляд вот на это обсуждение, особенно на 1-й и 4-й пункт. Поэтому считаю что ваши правки, например на стр. лососёвые, неверны. --VladXe (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

@VladXe: Да, задумывался над этим вопросом, похоже он сложный. В указанном обсуждении тоже вывод не сделан. Я бы пока следовал действующим правилам орфографии русского языка. --Infovarius (talk) 10:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

По действующим правилам русского языка заголовок (а название статьи в Викиданных он и есть) пишется с прописной буквы. Так что всё равно первая буква должна быть большой. --11:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Дело в том, что в Викиданных label (метка) не считается заголовком, в ней первая буква пишется так, будто это слово встречается в середине предложения (и так оно часто и бывает, если почитать обсуждения). --Infovarius (talk) 13:03, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Итог: не убедительно, но существующие метки трогать не буду. --VladXe (talk) 04:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

University is NOT a subclass of Hochschule

You reverted an edit I made to university: (removing subclass of educational institution) and I understand redundancies in the subclass hierarchy are not useful. However, when I made the edit I also commented on the talk page about the reason for it, and I am more convinced now after some further investigation and consideration that university should not be a subclass of higher education institution. Perhaps the label on Q38723 is wrong, but right now the English wikipedia article it is linked to (en:Hochschule) states: "In recent years, Hochschule has increasingly become the term for institutions of higher education without full university status, i.e. for institutions that: * do not cover a large diversity of academic fields, but focus on certain areas; * do not have the right to award doctorates, but bachelor's degrees and master's degrees. Institutions that are called Hochschule meet one or more of these criteria, which differentiate them from a full Universität (university)." So (A) the term seems to refer only to certain institutions in Germany and perhaps some Scandinavian countries, not a worldwide definition, and (B) even in Germany, universities are not (now) considered to be Hochschule. So subclass of is really wrong here. I recommend replacing that subclass relationship with the one I had added - to educational institution, as I can't see anything else that is a reasonable superclass as an organization. ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

additional comment - higher education institution has many subclasses (art school, business school, community colleges in the United States, etc.) according to the hierarchy tree page here. It looks like there should be something in between educational institution and those many subclasses - institution of higher education, tertiary education institution, etc. but I can't find a corresponding enwiki page that fits other than some category or list pages. I'm inclined to just move all of them up to direct subclasses of educational institution unless some better suggestion comes to light.

@ArthurPSmith:, "institution of higher education, tertiary education institution" - yes, I thought that the item has such meaning. At least Russian label has this meaning. So may be the solution is to move de-link (with en and de labels), and it stays as correct intermediate class. --Infovarius (talk) 21:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Oops, you've already done exactly this! You've read my mind :) Good job, my friend! --Infovarius (talk) 21:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Yup - after a bit of discussion on project chat - thanks! ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:40, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

2015-09 gift

Gift: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?lang=ru&q=Q2042538&rp=279 Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks good! --Infovarius (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

P54

The reason I removed the info because the info is also on the property page itself (and automatically picked up by the template or already present in the constraints on the talk page. It's duplicate information.) Mbch331 (talk) 20:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mbch331:. Yes, examples. But other parameters are not filled automatically, as I see. --Infovarius (talk) 20:43, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

• Description -> Is shown on the second line at the top of the green box.
• Datatype -> automatically picked from the datatype of the item
• Domain & Allowed values -> don't do anything and need to be set in the constraints
• Source -> If an external link needs to be set at the Property page in this case it's empty and serves no purpose

That's all I did delete. Mbch331 (talk) 07:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia list as subclass of animals

Hi Infovarius, this edit will produce a constraint violation. A Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) can't be a subclass of an animal. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:13, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

... or maybe a subclass, but not an article about domesticated animals and a list at the same time. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:25, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for removing instance of (P31) Wikimedia list article (Q13406463)! I don't like such statements in general :) --Infovarius (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Q15928230

Я видел, что вы подправили этот элемент (перенесли "Русский вестник" из has edition or translation (P747) в published in (P1433)). Но там есть ещё и две книги 1858 и 1862 года. Их надо переносить в published in (P1433)? Я вас так дотошно спрашиваю, потому что пишу справку для русской Викитеки s:ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev/Использование Викиданных; и если я сам не уверен в своей правоте, то как я могу учить других? -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 09:21, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Что-то я задумался, а чем является s:Не радует вешнее солнце (Гейне/Михайлов) - работой или изданием? Если первое, то нужно переносить в P1433 и возможно создавать элементы для каждого издания. Если второе, то оно должно обладать однозначными свойствами публикации (год, страницы, ISBN и т.п.). --Infovarius (talk) 20:45, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

s:Не радует вешнее солнце (Гейне/Михайлов) в свете новых правил именования (введены примерно полтора года назад) — однозначно, произведение, и это отражено в instance of (P31) = poem (Q5185279). Но оформлено оно ещё по-старому (текст стихотворения должен лежать на подстранице (СО)). Элемент изданий есть, это Heine's songs (Q15919251), Стихотворения М. Л. Михайлова (Q15919422), и у них instance of (P31) = version, edition or translation (Q3331189). Кроме того, можно сделать элемент для конкретного номера "Русского вестника". В этом свете, has edition or translation (P747) или published in (P1433) должно ссылаться на Heine's songs (Q15919251), Стихотворения М. Л. Михайлова (Q15919422) и элемент для номера "Русского вестника"? -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 04:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Подождите, а есть ли (планируются ли) элементы для изданий конкретно этого стихотворения? Типа "Не радует вешнее солнце (Гейне/Михайлов)/Русский вестник"? Тогда бы можно было произведение связать с ним через has edition or translation (P747), а его через published in (P1433) с книжкой типа Heine's songs (Q15919251). Infovarius (talk) 08:11, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Страницы Викитеки такие есть, только лучше смотреть не это стихотворение (оно оформлено по старой схеме, где текст современной орфографии совмещён с элементом о произведении), а, например s:ru:Снежные горы (Тютчев) — оно оформлено по современной схеме, посмотрите этот пример.

Но стихотворения отдельно почти никогда не публикуются, они почти всегда публикуются сборниками (книгами). Heine's songs (Q15919251) и Стихотворения М. Л. Михайлова (Q15919422) и есть такие сборники. Я их называю изданиями (version, edition or translation (Q3331189)). Вы же словом "издание" называете некую часть сборника. Это на мой взгляд неправильно и создаёт терминологическую путаницу. Давайте эти части сборника называть словом "публикация", это более адекватно русскому языку: "публикация в книге", "публикация в журнале". Что имеется ввиду в названии has edition or translation (P747), version, edition or translation (Q3331189) и других — я не знаю, просто ориентируюсь на русские слова в метке. Если бы был Showcase-элемент для сборника стихотворений, можно было бы догадаться по нему, но я такого не знаю. Понимаете ход моих мыслей? -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 14:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Malta

8 September 2015, you made erroneous and controversial changes in two pages [6] [7] without discuss. Your changes has been reverted. But later, you create edit war. Please stop trolling and edit-warring. Articles has been verified. Articles about 68 local councils of Malta (officially administrative territorial entity, in accordance with the ISO) must have a one wikidata page/number - Q719592. Articles about more than 68 local councils, for example also about historical regions etc - other wikidata page/number - Q15631694. 26 September 2015, pages has been verified. Now, in Q719592 page there are list of articles about only 68 local councils of Malta, not more.

Further restore your large change without discuss and consensus are considered vandalism and quickly undone. If you have any questions or concerns, please first discuss. Thank you. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand, @Subtropical-man:. I've asked you to discuss your changes several times and now you are accusing me of edit-warring? Ok, I'm glad that you are willing to discuss now, at last. I see there are some problems with Malta. 1) There is 1 level of division at the moment, so some moments are in 1 article now. 2) Indeed there are no information about other divisions in some articles like bg:Административно деление на Малта. But there is another moment. Now persists status quo at Wikidata, where there are different items for 1st level and for overview article. Obviously the second item has words "administrative division" (bg:Административно деление, pl:Podział administracyjny, eu:banaketa administratiboa, nl:Bestuurlijke indeling and so on) in titles of the articles. If you want to move these articles to the item about 1st level I'd propose you to rename them according to their content. --Infovarius (talk) 06:50, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

No, no, no. Article name does not matter. For example, article in Polish Wikipedia has name: "Podział administracyjny Malty" (English: "administrative division of Malta"), some other Wikipedias also. In the margin, Polish is my native language. "Podział administracyjny Malty" (English: "administrative division of Malta") is the best name for this. For some languages, words of "local council" is "administrative division" or district or other. So, there are different names but these articles are about the same: administrative division of Malta on 68 divisions. Malta is my second country, I know what I'm saying. Regards, Subtropical-man (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Unexplained mass reversals

Hi Infovarius,

Would you cease the mass reversals until this has been sorted out?

Last time this was discussed in the forum, the conclusion was that you can't have "apply to part" "Russian Wikipedia" on items. --- Jura 07:22, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Let's watch for example name en:Teimuraz (ru:Теймураз). 1) You don't want to have instance of (P31)given name (Q202444) in Teimuraz (Q6146680) (because en-link is disambig). 2) I do want to have instance of (P31)given name (Q202444) for ru:Теймураз (because it is a page about the name and nothing else, and people having such name should be linked with this page). So I move this sitelink to Teimuraz (Q7695055) where there is such statement. 3) Once a bot will come in Teimuraz (Q7695055) and put instance of (P31)Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) there. 4) See p.1 again. You are doing something wrong here. --Infovarius (talk) 06:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Until you perform an RFC with clear scheme for all (at least >1) alphabets and solution for topic disambigs, I will restore status quo. Status which have more information than your status. You are deteriorating data. --Infovarius (talk) 06:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

From your comment on User_talk:Pasleim#Disambigs_as_targets_of_statements, I understand that Russian Wikipedia seems to prefer content on disambiguation pages about places, names, people, instead of stubs and redlinks. This is of course a valid choice, but not all Wikipedias work that way. Content could also be on a list of places in the same region, on a list of Pokémon, on a list of given names in a specific language, on a list of people active in a given field, or on a list of technical terms for chess. All these are valid choices.

At Wikidata, unfortunately, we can't link both/all at the same time.

• If one language lists a place on a disambiguation page and an other language list it as a three-word-stub, only the three-word-stub can be an item that we can link as capital. Only the stub can get coordinates and other location specific properties.
• If the place was included in a more general list, we could not add a sitelink for it on the item of the three-word-stub.

The same applies to other fields.

One can consider this as a point where Wikidata fails compared to earlier interwiki schemes allowing links to any article or page, but it probably didn't work that well back then either.

If the editorial choice is to not make it into a separate article, it may be that one doesn't deem there to be enough content. Merely for the list of people with the same first name, we don't seem to be needing Wikipedia anyways.

The general scheme for given names is described at WikiProject Names. I agree that we still need to face the challenge of integrating Russian names and transliterations (including Russian). Various ideas have already been floated or discussed, even successfully applied to other languages. We will need to find a way to integrate this smoothly. --- Jura 07:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

@Jura1:, your examples about places and Pokemon are invalid. Names are specific because it quasi-Wiktionary content. Disambiguation page is a list of links (pages) which share common name. In other words it is a class of such entities. As you said disambig with same-named-places cannot have coordinates. But analogy fails for names. Disambig with same-named ... persons (i.e. class/set of namesake (Q2607563)) shares some information. It can be spelling, origin, popularity and so on. And I repeat the main idea: for me as the reader disambiguation template is purely technical thing. It doesn't mean anything in some cases (they called topic disambigs, or index-set pages in en-wiki). Infovarius (talk) 12:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I brought up places, as you seem to reason in the same way, given the capital sample mentioend. Still, items about given names have properties that others may not have and (as a sample) Italian language Wikipedia has articles about them well worth linking. As such, we need to have distinct types for them. As for list of people with the same first name, I think we agree the Wikidata has become the better resource for that.

As for disambiguation pages, I don't quite understand why you interlink Russian disambiguation pages with Roman script disambiguation pages. How do you decide which page to link? --- Jura 15:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

With traditional and mostly most popular ones. For example, ru:Пётр with en:Peter. But of course there are problematic ones, as Феликс now. --Infovarius (talk) 07:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

And the problem can't be solved not adding the instance of disambiguation page to the elements of ruwiki that are a list of persons who share the same name? In the local wiki they can be disambiguation pages, but I don't remember at least that Wikipedia and Wikidata must have a 1:1 relation. They can be used as disambiguation pages locally and as list of persons who share names/surnames here in Wikidata... -- Agabi10 (talk) 21:22, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually it can be solution. It requires only to adjust actions of some bot owners. We should think about drawbacks, I suppose Jura easily tell them :) --Infovarius (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

That could be a solution. Alternatively, maybe the ruwiki pages shouldn't be on disambiguation items of pages with Roman script (the transliteration isn't necessarily the same for the same spelling in Roman script)? We could link these on different items? --- Jura 16:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Q19097

Hi – I inform you that I disagree with this change. In French the word secte pertains to cults, that is, socially deviant or unusual religious movement the relevant element is Q11038979 ; not any bunch of individuals qualify as "secte" in French. Michel421 (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

@Michel421:, as in Russian sitelink in Q19097 too. --Infovarius (talk) 10:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Belgium (Q31) : basic form of government (P122) → federal monarchy (Q3208952)

Hello, there is a lengthy discussion on this matter on the French WP Village Pump. Oliv0 (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Q171965

Hello! Concerning your edit: Ukraine is not a administrative territorial entity! And this information is absent in Italian wiki. Ukraine is country, and this information is already presented on the page. Don't cancel my edit please! Thank You! --Yuriy Kvach (talk) 17:02, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

@Ykvach:, it is status-quo to use country as high-level. If you don't agree please participate in global discussion: Property talk:P131#Country an administrative unit?. --Infovarius (talk) 13:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

city (Q15253706)

In German language the article City is marked as redundant with central business district (Q738570). „City“ is just a cool neologism for „Stadtzentrum“. It's has nothing to do with an administrative unit. --Kopiersperre (talk) 15:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Name and surname

Do not combine name and surname in Albin (Q1001948). See for example Alonso (Q2650702) how to solve such cases. This need to create separate item for Russian variant of the article. Paweł Ziemian (talk) 19:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I moved it to Albin (Q21157846). Paweł Ziemian (talk) 19:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Russian Wikisource (Q15634506)

multi-script Wikimedia site (Q21286559) в том смысле, что есть тексты и в современной орфографии, и в дореформенной. Где-то в Wikidata:Project chat была тема, как поступать в случае, если в одной вики есть две страницы про одно и тоже, и multi-script Wikimedia site (Q21286559) на элементе вики-пректа там использовалась как признак этого. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 08:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Что бы это значило?

Здравствуйте! Что бы это значило? С уважением, --Nickispeaki (talk) 10:28, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Очевидно, то же самое, что я написал в прошлый раз - "не надо путать статью о фильме со статьёй обо всём (телесериал, серия фильмов и др.)". --Infovarius (talk) 14:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Reverts

Could you PLEASE explain reverts such as happened in Kovačević (Q656883)? The messy situation is back again after your actions. You disrespect the discussion of the WikiProject Names. Why are you going into confrontation? Yellowcard (talk) 17:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I have fixed the problem, en, sl and sr wiki are not disambiguation, all the other are disambiguation, so I have restored Kovačević (Q21504650) and fixed the link. --ValterVB (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi ValterVB, thank you for your work. However, this item was an example only; I had several of reverts by Infovarius on my watchlist. As she/he took part in the discussion about this job, I cannot understand her/his actions. The fact she/he doesn't answer here despite being active doesn't help to clear this situation up. Anyways, thanks again for your help. Cheers, Yellowcard (talk) 16:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Yellowcard:, what do you not understand? I've written my arguments on project page. I don't want to repeat them each weak. Although I have to now. --Infovarius (talk) 12:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@ValterVB:, you should know that surname pages are specific. You should not to elaborate them formally. I moved all pages about surname to item about surname. That is the correct status. --Infovarius (talk) 12:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Those pages aren't on surname but are really disambiguation page (except en, sl and sr), indeed you find them all in Special:DisambiguationPages. On each of those pages I can add whatever thing not only for surname. I moved Italian page because is my native wiki and I know the rule in it.wikipedia, Kovačević is a disambiguation page and not a page on surname, for it.wiki disambiguation page must have only p31=Q4167410. Please don't move again it wiki sitelink. --ValterVB (talk) 13:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Infovarius, unfortunately you are the one who doesn't understand. All users except of you who took part in this discussion said the same. If you keep going with these reverts, I'm afraid we have to consider it vandalism. Please stop it. Yellowcard (talk) 15:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

No, I am not the only one. I did't want to go personal but... User:GymelUser:Schlomo warned about main problems long ago, User:JAn Dudík reported some problems with transliteration, User:Place Clichy as a novice here immediately admits the problems. User:Sannita's RFC, User:Inwind's RFC User:Hsarrazin's thoughts. Look also at the result of the voting Wikidata talk:WikiProject Names#Surnames on enwiki. Indeed you should read all possible arguments before saying "all said the same". --Infovarius (talk) 12:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

And the main problem I see that my opponents (I don't want to use this word, because I still hope we can reach consensus) are all Latin-oriented. So they (and you, Yellowcard?) don't understand problems with transliterations and as consequence problems with interwiki-linking. I am thinking about simple text to let you understand. --Infovarius (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Pornography actors infobox

FYI, porn actors are not all women. There are men too. --La femme de menage (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Of course. But we should deal with 2 templates: Q14031349 and Template:Infobox adult biography (Q5913263) which (I suppose) differs by gender. --Infovarius (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Бес

Отмена. Бес-демон - частный случай из др.омонимов. С чем вы несогласны? --Vladis13 (talk) 20:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Vladis13:, что?? Как может список значений Rabbia (Q435972) быть значением свойства? Заметьте, в нём есть и топонимы, и фамилия и др. --Infovarius (talk) 07:35, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

В том и дело. Данная статья - одно из многих значений слова. Это и было указано в свойстве "это частный случай понятия Бес", которое вы удалили. --Vladis13 (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Нет, так не делается. Это словарная связь, она зависит от языка. В других языках среди списка Rabbia (Q435972) может не быть нужного значения. А утверждения должны быть языконезависимыми. Поэтому неоднозначность обычно никогда не бывает значением. --Infovarius (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Vladis13:, знаете в Википедии проект "Разрешение неоднозначностей"? Тут такая же ситуация. Когда-нибудь все неоднозначные значения будут выявлены и зачищены. --Infovarius (talk) 14:30, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia permanent duplicate item (Q21286738)

Hi dear Infovarius, see this edit. Do we need to remove human (Q5) from all those items?. And why?--ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 08:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@ԱշոտՏՆՂ:. Yeah, I think so. One of the reasons is that when we have a list P31:Q5, there should be no duplicates. Each person should be counted once. --Infovarius (talk) 14:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

You are right--ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 14:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Q20824104‎‎ & Q18616084

Sorry for the incorrect merge of those 2 items. My merge was based on a bad translation of 20824104‎‎, which made it look like they were identical. Mbch331 (talk) 10:40, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok. It happens :) --Infovarius (talk) 14:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Merged again today. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Beedle the bard, an writer?

Beedle the bard was the writer of The Tales of Beedle the Bard? Any reference? I thought that it was J.K. Rowling --Rojasyesid (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

In real world, Rowling, yes. But in fictional world, according to Rowling, it was Beedle the bard. It is noted in the title page also, I suppose. How should we reflect this? In another words, author of real book is Rowling, while author of fictional book (from fictional world) is Beedle. --Infovarius (talk) 12:57, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Administrative divisions of Malta

Hi,

According to Wikipedia en, the en:Local councils of Malta (Q719592) are considered as the first-level administrative division of the country (and were already marked as such on Wikidata). The regions and districts play no administrative role and are only used for statistics.

Koxinga (talk) 06:48, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, do as you know. --Infovarius (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2015 (UTC)