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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:ValterVB/Archive 1 on 2015-08-10.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Would you comment on Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Delete_deprecated_Interpro_Items?

Reply to "Deletion during ongoing discussion"
Dapifer (talkcontribs)

Ciao Valter, ho visto adesso che sei uno dei pochi amministratori italiani di wikidata. Visto il mio inglese maccheronico, preferivo scrivere con qualcuno che avrebbe potuto capire più facilmente la richiesta -> [Contact the development team#Parameter: Medical specialty .28P1995.29|[Wikidata:Contact the development team#Parameter: Medical specialty .28P1995.29] questa qui]. In poche parole, sulla maggior parte dei disturbi mentali, esiste come unico parametro di specializzazione quella medica (psichiatria). Ma in realtà, soprattutto in Italia, chi ha a che fare con tali patologie, se non in casi di scompensi gravi, sono gli psicologi (specialità psicologia). Pensavo sarebbe il caso o di aggiungere "psicologia" nello stesso parametro "specializzazione medica" (sconsigliato), oppure crearne uno nuovo, tipo "altra specializzazione" dove poterla aggiungere. Sai, come può risolversi questo "problema"?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Diciamo che la pagina degli sviluppatori non era il luogo più adatto, adesso l'ho spostata in Wikidata:Project chat che è più adatto. Rispondo di la.

Dapifer (talkcontribs)

Grazie Valter, sono parecchio confuso su come creare una "proprietà". Ad esempio, vorrei creare "altra specializzazione" (other specialty), in cui poter aggiungere, nei casi di disturbi mentali, gli elementi: psicologia, psicoterapia/psicoanalisi. Non ho capito bene come poter fare o se è concesso farlo agli utenti non amministratori.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Scusa mi ero perso la risposta qua. Non penso che serva un'altra proprietà, sono 2 specializzazioni, basta semplicemente aggiungerla a P1995, anche perché in base a cosa decidi che uno va in "specializzazione medica" e l'altro va in "altra specializazione"?

Dapifer (talkcontribs)

Il fatto è che psicologia e psicoterapia (o psicoanalisi) non sono specialità mediche. Infatti come successo qui, e lo capisco, non possono essere inserite. Servirebbe allora specificare con un altro parametro. Soprattutto per quanto riguarda i disturbi di personalità, in questo modo sembra che sia solo campo dello psichiatra occuparsene, ed è sbagliato (oltre che spesso, pericoloso). Succede su Wikidata su tutti i disturbi mentali, e infatti mi ha leggermente "sconvolto" trovare solo ed esclusivamente come specializzazione "psichiatria". Bisognerebbe quindi aggiungere un altro valore o proprietà, ma io non me ne intendo e non so come si dovrebbe procedere.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Ora ho capito il problema :)

Si può pensare di usare medical treatment (P924)?

Dapifer (talkcontribs)

Non credo... la descrizione medical li connoterebbe comunque in un area di cui non fanno parte (la medicina), anche se possibilmente classificabili nell'area sanitaria. La psicoterapia è spesso condotta da psicologi o psicoterapeuti, professioni non-mediche (se non nei casi in cui uno psichiatra, abbia poi ottenuto una specializzazione in psicoterapia). :/

Dapifer (talkcontribs)

(comunque, inserire psicoterapia nei trattamenti possibili è già qualcosa). Infatti lo avevo già inserito nella voce disturbo di personalità (Q270673). Ma temo, che qualcuno, confuso o acerrimo nemico della psicologia, possa rimuoverlo.

Dapifer (talkcontribs)

Ho riaperto qui la discussione: Wikidata:Project chat#Infobox medical condition: medical specialty. Forse adesso è più comprensibile... anche qui sto cercando di capire come risolvere.

Reply to "Specialità medica"
Epìdosis (talkcontribs)

Domanda veloce. Riusciresti a capire perché in

#Ancient lyric fragments
SELECT ?fragment ?authorLabel ?fragmentLabel ?genreLabel ?dialectLabel
WHERE {
  { ?fragment wdt:P136/wdt:P279* wd:Q1885775 . }
  UNION { ?fragment wdt:P136 wd:Q3906966 . }
  UNION { ?fragment wdt:P136 wd:Q3164714 . }
  ?fragment wdt:P50 ?author .
  ?fragment wdt:P136 ?genre .
  ?fragment wdt:P407 ?dialect .
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "it,grc" }    
} ORDER BY ?authorLabel ?fragmentLabel

L'Inno ad Afrodite di Saffo viene listato due volte? Grazie mille!

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Perché ha 2 valori per "Genere (P136)"

Reply to "Risultato duplicato in query"
StarryGrandma (talkcontribs)

You deleted this item 11 July 2017 as "does not meet the notability policy'. I was entering references at the time and cannot remember what item I created and why. Please tell me what the content was. Thank you.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Label:Frank and Lillian Gilbreth: Critical Evaluations in Business and Management

Description: history of industrial engineering

No statements, no sitelink no backlink

Impossible to check what is this item.

StarryGrandma (talkcontribs)

Thanks. It was probably an experiment that failed. Q32859752 succeeded a bit later.

Reply to "Item Q32619825"
Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Hi ValterVB,

Can you stop the batches on Special:Contributions/QuickStatementsBot by User:Freakymovie. It seems to be an uncoordinated effort by that user making us loose information.

Sjoerddebruin (talkcontribs)

Blocked due to being unable to stop the batches, will notify Magnus.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Thanks. Can we roll it back as well? I'm not sure if the batch deleted references as well. Wonder who the account belongs to.

Sjoerddebruin (talkcontribs)

I can't revert, as the edits are mixed with other batches. Maybe someone with more bot knowledge can.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Maybe the other batches could just be re-run afterwards.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Sorry, I went to eat ...

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#mode=batches&user=Freakymovie

Most batches today seem to be by this user. 1130 by Magnus will need re-starting anyways. 1137 was fairly short. I can't load others.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

It really needs a filter to see only edit of a single batch...

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

It seems to have started with batch 1132 on 2017-10-04 13:43:50.

We can roll back anything from this and I can notify the people who created other batches afterwards.

Magnus Manske (talkcontribs)

I have stopped the batches in the database, you can unblock. 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Note there were 40K edits by Freakymovie before that, in two batches, which completed.

Magnus Manske (talkcontribs)

Every admin should be able to stop individual batches. I can't test it because I'm not an admin on Wikidata.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

There are six batches by that editor that need to be rolled back:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#mode=batches&user=Freakymovie

Maybe we just roll back the bot and then re-run the other batches.

It would be good if you and I could stop batches as well.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

8 not 6 batches

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Magnus, I have tried to stop the batch, but right after I stopped it, the batch is restarted, probably user restart it or something don't work. Maybe need a block not a stop.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Could we role it back now? This way other people can use it afterwards.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

If you mean unblock QuickStatementsBot, Sjoerddebruin already done it.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Roll-back the edits by QuickStatementsBot after 2017-10-04 13:43:50

I think it's an admin only option of MediaWiki.

Magnus Manske (talkcontribs)

Can we please limit that in some way? I can get you the items edited by individual batches. Rolling back all edits would be rather unfortunate, like deleting the wiki to make sure it's free of vandalism...

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I think the 8 batches edited 100000 items. The other batches only has a few 1000. You can easily re-run those. Isn't it?

Magnus Manske (talkcontribs)

Could a Wikidata admin please go here and paste me the JavaScript debug console output? Thanks!

Magnus Manske (talkcontribs)

Got it, thanks.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

If we agree, ValterVB, would you do the roll-back?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Jura1, I agree, but I can't do it, or at least not before next Saturday. During the week I haven't a free Internet connection, and this evenig I have not enough time.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I think it's quick with Special:Nuke. I think 200000 as limit should do.

Sjoerddebruin (talkcontribs)

Special:Nuke only works for new items/pages.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

oh .. Sorry about that.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I started with smartrollback and went up to (around)

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/QuickStatementsBot&offset=20171007210100&limit=5000&target=QuickStatementsBot

Magnus would obviously need to redo some of his batches.

It would be helpful if it was easier to just roll-back one or the other batch. KrBot can undo most of its edits fairly easily.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Could you stop the bot/batches once more and block the user? It seems they continue.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Stop this batch don't work. so I blocked QuickStatementsBot for 24 hours.@Freakymovie: Can you stop the batch and find consensus?

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

If I recall correctly, the users needs to be blocked to avoid that they place new batches.

@Magnus Manske: could you sort out the batch-blocking?

Now that last weeks mess still needs fixing, more is added.

Maybe we should place some limit to QuickStatements based on the number of edits users have done. Letting newbie editors do mass removals seems asking for problems.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Probably for batch mode is necessary use a list of authorized users. Jura, you say that we must block the user, but a block here block the user on QuickStatements?

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I recall Magnus writing that if the user is blocked QuickStatements gets blocked, but I might be mistaken.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I fixed about 90-95% of film related edits.

What can we do to prevent the user from breaking stuff in the future?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

I think that the only solution is what I said yesterday: for batch mode is necessary use a list of authorized users. Alternatively a block of the user in Wikidata must block batch of the user.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Can you stop the user?

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#mode=batches&user=Freakymovie

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Jura1, in working day I have some problem to respond quickly. It's better if you add request in WD:AN

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Can you stop the bot? It's working on movies again.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Answer in WD:AN. I don't know what to do....

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

I think the QuickStatement bot needs to be blocked.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

(to stop the batch).

The user, just to prevent them from placing more batches.

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Skyfall (talkcontribs)

Are you sure? English page is about the movement AND the party, as most Wikis.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Vale quanto scritto nell'oggetto della modifica, l'incipit della voce inglese è "Italian political movement" che rappresenta il soggetto prinicipale, non "Italian political party", Noi invece abbiamo deciso di parlare principalmente del partito (vedi incipit e template).

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Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

Hi

I have merged the two entries who are the same.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

They aren't the same. They are disambiguation

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

It is the solution to have an interwiki for the two desambiguation pages.

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

The both are desambiguation pages.

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_People%27s_Party

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_républicain_du_peuple

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

We should have an interwiki for the two desambiguation pages.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Wikidata:WikiProject Disambiguation pages/guidelines: They are disambiguation but they haven't exact same spelling

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

Could you add the french interwiki to the English and Deutsch ?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Not in wikidata, you can addd interwiki in old style on wikipedia

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

But I am not agree with you, Parti republicain du peuple is the exact translation of Republican People's party and Republikanische Volkspartei. We have the same with car and voiture.

Panam2014 (talkcontribs)

I would like to have others opinions.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

You are alright: Republican People's party is the exact translation of Parti republicain du peuple but these are disambiguation not normal page. The meaning is irrilevant for the disambiguation item. If you read the guideline linked in my previous item you can see how we manage this kind of item: just an example we don't merge disambiguatio "Red" with disambiguation "Rouge"

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Summary by ValterVB

Done

Magnus Manske (talkcontribs)

Not notable? What about https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilar_Est%C3%A9banez_Est%C3%A9banez ?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

It's deleted on es.wikipedia and item haven't nothing more of human (Q5), female (Q6581072) and date of birth=1951. It isn't easy say who is this person.

Blackcat (talkcontribs)

Il problema è che [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q32312930&oldid=prev&diff=535617202 dovrebbe puntare] a una categoria più attinente, non credo che altrove nei progetti wiki non ci sia l'equivalente. -- ~~~~

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Però finché non riusciamo a trovarne un'altra conviene lasciarla nell'item originale. Nel momento che la troviamo possiamo fare un merge e mantenere quindi la stabilità del Qnumber.

Blackcat (talkcontribs)

Va bene, allora procediamo così. Tra l'altro, io, in accordo con Sannita, da bravo admin commonaro sto facendo su Wikidata l'accoppiamento voce-voce e categoria-categoria, ovvero se un item di 'data è di una categoria aggiungo la categoria su Commons negli altri collegamenti, mentre se un item è una voce aggiungo la categoria di Commons solo alla proprietà "Categoria su Commons" per avere univocità.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Direi che è perfetto. Per quanto riguarda la categoria "Marchi" non potrebbe corrispondere a Category:Brands (Q6450098)?

Blackcat (talkcontribs)

Lo credo anch'io. Procedi pure, se lo credi opportuno.

Please undelete Q36468402

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Summary by ValterVB

Done

Seav (talkcontribs)

If I'm not mistaken, this item is about a heritage house in the Philippines and has been marked as a historical site by the National Historical Commission of the Philippines (Q2652138) (see this historical marker on Commons. This should establish its notability.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Only english label="Fule-Malvar Mansion" and english description="heritage residential house in San Pablo, Laguna" totally without reference. It's the same item?

Seav (talkcontribs)

That should be notable. The deleted item is supposed to represent a historic mansion. This mansion is listed in the registry of historic sites of the Philippines by the National Historical Commission of the Philippines: (ignore the use of Blogspot—our government agencies are known to make use of free online services). This should already satisfy criterion #2 of our notability guidelines.

Seav (talkcontribs)

By the way, the item was only created very recently. Please give some time for the creator to add statements and references before deleting them.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Undelete, can you add reference?