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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:ValterVB/Archive 1 on 2015-08-10.

Beleg Tâl (talkcontribs)
ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Actually is a disambguation. In this momnent you can find it in this page position 785, Maybe it have a wrong template? In wikidata we can't mix disambiguation with other type of item because is a problem.

Beleg Tâl (talkcontribs)

That page lists both Versions pages and also Disambiguation pages. This is because Versions pages also contain the <code>__DISAMBIG__</code> tag. Despite that, and as I said before, Versions pages are handled differently than Disambiguation pages, and the Versions page in question (and all other versions pages) should be linked to the WD object for the work per se as per the existing consensus and practice on both Wikidata and Wikisource. If you disagree with this consensus, perhaps you should raise this objection at s:WS:Scriptorium.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

I think that is better delete __DISAMBIG__ from template "Translations". It's a no sense and it is "dangerous" for wikidata. There are BOTs that read all disambiguation page and add instance of (P31)=Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) to the item, so we can find (for example) item with instance of (P31)=book (Q571) AND instance of (P31)=Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) and this situation is totally inaccettable also because there are other BOT's that add in all item with instance of (P31)=Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) standard label and descriptions in a hundred of different language and I don't think that is correct add "Wikimedia disambiguation page" like description in an item about a book.

Beleg Tâl (talkcontribs)
ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Disambiguation are very particulary pages in Wikimedia, infact they are the only pages in ns0 that have a special word and the software manage them in special manner. Wikidata follow this concept, you can find the guideline about how manage the disambiguation pages in wikidata here and here

Beleg Tâl (talkcontribs)

Those pages refer to the practice on Wikipedia, not on Wikisource. I encourage you to contribute the discussion on Wikisource to change our practice on Wikisource to align with those at Wikipedia.

Beleg Tâl (talkcontribs)
Beleg Tâl (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Martyrdom of Polycarp"
Hrodvarsson (talkcontribs)

The de-wiki and en-wiki articles are both surname articles, with identical content.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

They aren't the same: the page in de.wiki is a real disambiguation page and you can find it in de:Spezial:Begriffsklärungsseiten, the page in en.wiki, instead, is a page about the surname, it's fall under "set index articles" and you can't find it in en:Special:DisambiguationPages. In a disambiguation page it's important only the spelling, in a page about surname you can talk only about surname. See the special case of our guideline.

Hrodvarsson (talkcontribs)

De:Bindrich's content is as follows: "Bindrich ist der Familienname folgender Personen:" Emphasis on "Familienname".

It is an error on de-wiki. It should be under Kategorie:Familienname.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

We can wait that de.wiki fix the problem, otherwise the BOTs continue to make mistakes.

Reply to "Bindrich"
PMG (talkcontribs)

Q1812875 and Q21850096 - can you tell me why you unmerged this two items if both of fthem are disambigs on different wikis? All of this articles describes all ships that have name "SS Dewey

. So why did you reverted me?"

ValterVB (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Unmerging"
Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talkcontribs)

This bot incorrectly added a director for Corpse Bride from Italian WIkipedia. Using information from off-language WIkipedias is questionable at best, particularly when information is available from the on-language Wikipedia. All edits of this sort made by this bot should be examined for veracity.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Can you show me the error? I don't see it

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

I see it, but the language isn't relevant. It was a simple error like a lot in wikidata We have constraints to fix this kind of error. Every one can help to fix them

Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talkcontribs)

Yes, the language is relevant, and for three reasons.

First, English Wikipedia is just better than the other Wikipedias. Any use of information from other Wikipedias has to be considered more carefully.

Second, this is especially the case when the other Wikipedia has information about an object that is related to some other language. The Corpse Bride is an English-language movie so information about it from Italian Wikipedia should be treated with extreme care.

Third, different Wikipedias have different information about the director of the Corpse Bride. Italian Wikipedia has Mike Johnson as a director but no page for Mike Johnson. English Wikipedia has Mike Johnson as a director and a page for him. This indicates that the English information should be preferred.

Having users go through and fix errors that bots should not have been made by bots is not a good idea, in my opinion. Instead the bot should be upgraded to go through its old edits and remove those that are suspect.

Infovarius (talkcontribs)
ValterVB (talkcontribs)

I don't remember but I can't restore because someone already changed it.

Infovarius (talkcontribs)

I've changed it. But I mean all such deletions. I can't find them all but you can (because you did them).

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Ohh, sorry for misunderstanding, Normally for this type of work I used SPARQL and worksheets, so I haven't an off line list, I try to search in contribution of BOT

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Done, I have restored 45 russian labels. Maybe now I remember. They was items with ru label but without ru sitelink and they was in conflict with other item with same label but with sitelink in ru, so I have deleted label in item without ru sitelink and add label in item with sitelink. ex.Q9915338 and Q27900616. Now there are different items with same label/description because undo bypass the duplicate constraint.

Here the list of item that I have restored:

Infovarius (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the list. Most of them need special care indeed. But better to notice duplicate labels (and merge for example) than no label at all. I am working with them.

Epìdosis (talkcontribs)

Ciao! Stamattina, passando a rendere minuscole un po' di maiuscole erronee, ho notato una situazione strana nell'ambito di geni e proteine. Esempio: F2 (Q14821011)encodes (P688)  thrombin (Q409166), quasi tutti i sitelink in F2 (Q14821011) erano relativi alla proteina e le loro etichette e descrizioni (a parte, misteriosamente, quella italiana) erano state standardizzate, cioè sostanzialmente rese inutili per il lettore umano non ferrato in materia. Ho spostato manualmente i sitelink da gene a proteina, ma questa situazione riguarda tanti elementi, es. INS (Q21163221) o PRL (Q21163349) ... Cosa ne pensi? Ci sarebbe un modo almeno per spostare tutti i sitelink malcollocati dai geni alle proteine? Grazie mille!

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Esula dalle mie conoscenze :) Se hai qualche regola per spostare i link possiamo vedere di ragionarci, se no non saprei.

Ettorre (talkcontribs)

Ciao VaterVB, chiedo scusa, non sapevo che ci fosse quella formattazione, pensavo fosse erroneo il contario e pensavo di far bene. Correggo. Grazie di avermi avvisato. Un abbraccio

Xcizm14 (talkcontribs)

Hello Valter.

How are you? what is wrong with my post please? I create it because these info is missing here. Could you please fix it.

Many thanks for info.

Michal

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Read this if you still have doubts, ask me as well.

Xcizm14 (talkcontribs)

Hello,

i see the problem is with source " Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, or Wikimedia Commons". I will do it and after than i will be ok.

Thanks and have a nice day.

Michal

Limite timeout per la query raggiunto

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Discanto (talkcontribs)

Ciao Valer! Scusa se ti disturbo. Mi capita a volte, utilizzando  il Wikidata Query, di ricevere in risposta ad una richiesta (es.: http://tinyurl.com/yaaj5hge ) il messaggio di  "Limite timeout per la query raggiunto". Come potrei aggirare l'ostacolo stando sempre in ambito Wikidata Query? Ti ringrazio anticipatamente per l'eventuale riscontro.  

Discanto (talkcontribs)

https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT %3Fitem %3FitemLabel WHERE {%0A SERVICE wikibase%3Alabel { bd%3AserviceParam wikibase%3Alanguage "it". }%0A %3Fitem wdt%3AP31 wd%3AQ13406463.%0A}%0AORDER BY %3FitemLabel

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Quel messaggio capita quando la query ci mette troppo tempo e quindi viene interrotta in automatico. Purtroppo una query come quella qua sopra mi sa che difficilmente riuscirà ad essere eseguita, potrebbe coinvolgere troppi codici, dovresti provare a limitarla aggiungendo altri criteri, oppure ad eliminare la parte che ti recupera le etichette, questa è spesso la parte più pesante, tieni conto che sono 291751 item.

Discanto (talkcontribs)

Ho visto... però senza etichette non mi serve... Ma eventualmente sarebbe possibile circoscrivere la ricerca alla sola Wiki italiana?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)
SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "it". }
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q13406463.
  ?sitelink schema:about ?item.
  FILTER(EXISTS {
    ?wfr schema:about ?item.
    ?wfr schema:inLanguage "it".
  })
}
ORDER BY ?itemLabel

Try it!

Così dovrebbe funzionare

Discanto (talkcontribs)

o ad esempio ai soli elementi in cui sia presente l'etichetta in italiano?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)
SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?etichetta WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q13406463.
  OPTIONAL {
    ?item rdfs:label ?etichetta.
    FILTER((LANG(?etichetta)) = "it")
  }
  FILTER(BOUND(?etichetta))
}

Try it!

Anche questo sembra farcela.

Discanto (talkcontribs)

Grazie Valter. Sei un artista!

Senti, voglio approfittare ancora per 30 secondi della tua disponibilità e ti garantisco che per almeno sei mesi non ti disturbo più... Ho creato una dozzina di voci ("Aree urbane della Svezia" https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=6131438 ) e vorrei creare non ad uno ad uno ma in blocco i collegamenti ai relativi elementi che sono già presenti in WD. Mi pare di aver letto che si potesse fare con QuickStatements ma non saprei che riga di comando usare. Potresti aiutarmi (sempre se e quando hai un attimo di tempo)?

ValterVB (talkcontribs)

Se ho capito la domanda, in blocco mi sa che non è possibile, ma solo singolarmente, cliccando su "check Wikidata" in petscan ti si apre "Duplicity" tool per collegare pagine a item.

Discanto (talkcontribs)

Si hai capito bene. Ok pazienza, farò ad uno ad uno... Ti ringrazio ancora. Buon proseguimento!

Is it possible to undo this batch?

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Oliviervd (talkcontribs)

Hi Valter,

After uploading data on performing arts productions originating from an export made by Kunstenpunt, we quickly noticed that there was something. We were able to track down the fault and pin it down. Especially when starting to add specific roles (actors, dancers, directors,...) this became clearer. We believe it is best, before moving on, and would prefer to undo these records so we can properly communicate the issue with the institution who provided us with the source material and tackle this issue at the source before reuploading... We will be closely working together with this organization which should allow us to rebalance the data and continue the project.

In order for us to properly restart I would like to ask you if it's possible to remove all the records that have the identifier Property:P5935? These have been uploaded yesterday and are all "new" items, so there won't be any items deleted that aren't ours.

Thanks in advance,

O.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)
Oliviervd (talkcontribs)

It's ok, I can wait. And yes that's the one.

Thanks in advance.

ValterVB (talkcontribs)
Oliviervd (talkcontribs)

Those items were created prior to the batch upload. They served as examples for the property proposal, so they can stay. Thank you for your swift assistance :)