User talk:HarryNº2

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Hi there!

Just wanted to say thank you for the awesome work you've done with affixed names and such, and now that you're no longer a "red editor" I can. So thx! Moebeus (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Moebeus, thanks for the kind words. I hope we continue to work well together on this great project. Have a healthy and successful year, HarryNº2 (talk) 15:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Names on Wikidata and Commons

Thank you for all your work of recent on improving names on Wikidata and name categories on Commons. I dip in and out of Wikimedia projects throughout the day and can't always finish fleshing out items/categories. Thanks for taking the ball and running with it, so to speak. William Graham (talk) 17:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi William Graham, thank you, it's a pleasure for me to be able to help you and the great project. I wish you a healthy and successful year. Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 17:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Deletion Requests

Hi, Im relative new to using Wikidata. I have been adding some important artists from the register of the Slade School of Fine arts at UCL London. Can you give me some more information on the requests for deletion. e.g. https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/staff-profiles/faculty-of-arts-professional-and-social-studies/liverpool-school-of-art-and-design/jagjit-chuhan Thanks Doldman (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Doldman, for more information look at the Wikidata:Notability page or ask your questions in the Wikidata:Project chat. Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2020 (UTC):

Hi HarryNº2 - Sure, but the example I gave you seems more notable and at least in line with other academic wiki data entries - Professor Jagjit Chuhan for example is a significant figure in British and Indian art. She is Professor at Liverpool John Moores University and I provided her university profile which speaks for itself - https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/staff-profiles/faculty-of-arts-professional-and-social-studies/liverpool-school-of-art-and-design/jagjit-chuhan. Please can we reinstate this record - thanks Doldman (talk) 06:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Doldman, this should be clear from the data set (e.g. VIAF, ISNI, LCAuth, GND entries etc.). To restore the data set, please ask here for more infos: Wikidata:Project chat. HarryNº2 (talk) 07:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Franz Schneekluth

Hey there, I just corrected your edits on Q77724888 where you spelled the name Schneeklutd. Do you remember why you did this?

Hi Frlgin, thank you for your attention, was a typo. Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 04:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Lepautre (Q96477341)

I noticed you removed the alternative spellings of the family name Lepautre Q96477341. Why did you do this and does this mean we need to create a separate item for each spelling variant? --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Robert.Allen, please create a separate entry for each spelling variant (e.g. Le Pautre, Le Paultre, Le Potre, Le Postre etc.). Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 00:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to indicate that they are related or variants of one another? --Robert.Allen (talk) 01:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

After you have created an entry, use said to be the same as (P460) to link the variants with each other. HarryNº2 (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Only one name per data record in Latin

Hi, you reverted an addition of a given name that I made on a person item with the reason that only one name is allowed. Do all of the spellings per name need to be merged? Because the same name is spelled differently for people when they travel and are published in different locations. Also, when it comes to family names, most married women have two, and sometimmes three or four unique names, any one of which may also have alternate spellings. Jane023 (talk) 12:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hallo Jane023, a separate data record is required for each spelling. Please also see the answers to the previous question on the same topic. Greeting, HarryNº2 (talk) 12:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Ragályi-Balassa

Hello Harry! The double surname is unknown in the Hungarian language. These are correctly two surnames: Ragályi (Q97737439) and Balassa (Q21453719). See also: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q97786289. Bye: Palotabarát (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. --HarryNº2 (talk) 15:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

simple

"simple" is not a valid language code. There is a very old bug that allows inserting it. The bot moves the terms to the English language unless it's present; in that case, the bot removes it. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. --HarryNº2 (talk) 15:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Family names

Hello,

Although I'm being as careful as possible, mistakes happen. I also correct them when I find out. You don't have to be rude.

Regards, Arpyia (talk) 07:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out your mistakes, hoping that you would take better care of your work. Have a nice Day. Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

"now shows an error in connection with native label (P1705)"

(for author (P50)#P302) That's odd, it shouldn't; I don't see where a conflict would occur in either property's constraints, and certainly not in the change I just made. Do you have an example item I could look at? Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arlo Barnes: Since the change, an error has been displayed next to the author in the Reference section. I think it's because of the change as this wasn't the case 40 minutes ago. See e.g. Harting (Q24699597) next to the author Kathrin Dräger. --HarryNº2 (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I see, I didn't understand that it might be used in references -- in this case because a reference work has multiple authors depending on the entry (although if the entries get their own Wikidata item, that could go as a main statement in the body of that item). I added 'in refs' to the constraint, does it work now for you? Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arlo Barnes: Now it works correctly again. The indication of the author is important for references if these are included in Wikipedia articles, see e.g. de:Mp3tag (author: Florian Heidenreich). --HarryNº2 (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it, but wouldn't software use developer (P178)? Arlo Barnes (talk) 21:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

In that case, the author of the reference is also the developer. I can't find a better example right now. This should only be an example of when a reference is passed in info boxes to Wikipedia articles. --HarryNº2 (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Revert

Hi Harry. Did you know that you can edit descriptions instead of reverting them? [1]. Regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 08:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I known. Often the mistakes are made by a bot, so I point out the operator to any frequently entered errors. Best Regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 08:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Family name Hungarian description

Hello Harry! Please if you correct an element of the surname type (instance of (P31): family name (Q101352) e.g.: Lénárd (Q100295066)) in the Hungarian description, use the Hungarian "családnév" form, not the word "vezetéknév".

The two Hungarian words are not completely synonymous with each other, we had a discussion about using the Hungarian "családnév" form in the future. (You rewrote the Hungarian version here, even though it was good) Thank you! Palotabarát (talk) 09:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Hallo Palotabarát, thank you for the notification. Best regards, --HarryNº2 (talk) 10:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

"Single value per language"

Could you please explain these nonsense? If a language has more than one word for a thing, there must be the possibility also name them all. Espacialy in a language as german, where this is of mayor importance. This is a rule to ignore, becaus this rule is a project treat. Made by people who don't know how other language systems work, if this is different to their own. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

There are different names in many languages, not just in German. The list should be kept as short as possible. male form of label (P3321) is not a dictionary for different terms in one language, see Wikidata:Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P3321. The Alias field is provided for this. If you have a different opinion, please post it to discussion in the forum. Best regards, --HarryNº2 (talk) 00:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

sorry

Ok, sorry!--Crosstor (talk) 12:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

No problem, everything will be fine --HarryNº2 (talk) 13:43, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Revisión

hola, disculpame lo habia escrito en tu pagina de usuarion, has marcado varias fichas para ser borradas, ya que según tu no tienen relevancia enciclopédica pero tenemos el caso de Q108386093, un reconocido arquitecto colombiano de la década de los 90's y 2000's. además de la planificar y dirigir grandes obras en Bogotá, invento varios artefactos y maquinas, entre ellas la lavadora manual o la cardadora eléctrica. De la unión con Q108083291 tuvo a sus 2 hijas Q108483715 y Q108385210, quien es un icono de la moda colombiana y reconocida por ser una diseñadora de moda que introdujo al mercado prendas con acabados artesanales hechas por los artesanos colombianos. de ahí surge su relación con Q108385583. quien es un emprendedor que a lo largo de su vida fundo varios talleres de reparación de automóviles y de su unión surgieron sus 3 hijos, Q108454256, es la hija mayor de la ex-pareja, quien también tubo relevancia en el desastre natural de Mocoa ocasionado durante la noche del 31 de marzo y la madrugada del 1 de abril de 2017 en Colombia, en donde participo activamente como rescatista, salvando a mas de 15 personas. Q108187157, es el segundo hijo y el único varón de la pareja, el modelo es la personalidad que más relevancia tiene dentro de la familia Q108385047 ya que a su corta edad ah tenido gran éxito en las redes sociales y en la industria empresarial y la industria de la moda, siendo así una celebridad que ha tenido varias hazañas como la fundación de su propia institución sin ánimos de lucro Q108383741 o su libro Q108336144 en 2020. Q108454166, tercer y ultima hija de la ex pareja, quien también es modelo y ha participado en importantes ferias de moda en Colombia como Colombiamoda. Brevemente vemos que esta familia si tiene fundamentos y bases solidas para estar en wikidata y en otras wikis, ahora vemos que a su vez esta celebre familia han dejado una huella en ciertos aspectos de la historia del pais, y claramente tienen la relevancia suficiente para que sus fichas de información estén aquí.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxomon (talk • contribs).

Hello Maxomon. The datasets are welcome to come back if they have an article in Wikipedia. --HarryNº2 (talk) 16:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Main topic

Hi. I see that you developed Q8875681; thanks. (I had opened the Commonscat. :) Would you care to do a favour to Commons (and myself :) to create a cat's main topic for this item? I saw the Ukranian one but still am not sure how to make it. Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello E4024. I am not sure if I understood you correctly. The Ukranian infobox now shows the correct representation again before you set category's main topic (P301). I already mentioned the problem in the forum, but nothing has happened to this day. Please take a look at it and let me know if it's the right thing to do. --HarryNº2 (talk) 16:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

No no, nothing that is related to "any" discussion nor to any item about Ukraine (I just said it as an example because I saw it recently). I also noticed just now that in my talk above I wrote -by mistake- "Commons" (sic) while I wanted to say Wikidata. I only meant that we do not yet have an item for Turkish language surname in WD. That is all. Thx. --E4024 (talk) 17:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Now I see this change and I am even more confused. Forget it. Thx. --E4024 (talk) 17:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll go back to the problem a little later, when the time comes, I'll talk to you again. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 17:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

• Waiting for you to talk to me, a simple(r?) request: I wanted to create a grandfather-grandson relationship between two men called Hüseyin Selah; but what I got was an exclamation mark and a guidance -that I could not understand at all-. The link between the two guys is Ms Emel Korutürk (Q6050761), daughter of the old man and mother of the young one. Do it for me please and I will copy your edit for the other two grandchildren. Thx. E4024 (talk) 00:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@E4024: I don't understand why one shouldn't use grandson as a qualifier. If you look at the linked pages of grandson (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q11921506), the error message is displayed everywhere. You should address the problem on the discussion page of P1039 or in the forum. Ask what to use instead. Greets, --HarryNº2 (talk) 03:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Géopatronyme ID

Hello Harry,

What do you mean by "wrong spelling" in this revert? If you speak about the diacritical mark, this is not a mistake, it's voluntary. There is a discussion about this property (see Wikidata:Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P3370 too).

This website does not make a clear distinction between names with diacritics and names without. Some diacritics are valid (not all) and are converted by the search engine: you can try the names "Löw" and "Løw" for example (Löw is converted to LOW, but Løw is not).

To check the accuracy of the result, you can try some uncommon familly names. For example, the result of "Bébéar" or "Bebear" is: "3 BEBEAR" between "1916 et 1940" in "Dordogne". Claude Bébéar is one of them.

Could you have a look and put the value back? Best regards, --- Caméléon Diaphane (talk) 15:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello HarryNº2, could you cancel your change? Thank you --- Caméléon Diaphane (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Because of me, I still disagree with the result. --HarryNº2 (talk) 21:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Notability and deletions

Hello. Have you read Wikidata:Notability? The people you are carelessly nominating for deletion satisfy Criteria #2 and #3. Their existence and biographies can be found in newspapers, books, magazines, as well as genealogical databases. Their Wikidata items are important genealogical links between more notable individuals (e.g. those who have Wikipedia articles, and/or entries in other databases and catalogues). There are millions of humans and other entities on Wikidata who will never have a Wikipedia article in any language but still meet Wikidata notability criteria. Please spend your time more wisely, and stop wasting the time of others. -Animalparty (talk) 22:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

A fundamental discussion should be held about the nonsense. All web links lead to chargeable offers of a genealogy database. Is Wikidata an advertising platform? --HarryNº2 (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

There are over ninety million Wikidata items, and you are being obstinate. Documenting the existence of dead people from past centuries is hardly "advertising". User generated sources as external identifiers are by no means disallowed (indeed, even sitelinks to Wikipedias are user-generated, changeable sources). Links to user-generated sources (The Peerage, FamilySearch, etc.) often contain links and references to primary sources and other publications. External identifiers aren't required at all to meet Wikidata notability, as long as items can be described using publicly verifiable sources and the statements are referenced. Wikidata is a work in progress. You can either try to improve it with more statements/references/links or seek to disrupt it. -Animalparty (talk) 22:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Then every person who has ever lived somewhere should be relevant for Wikidata. However, since this is not the case and the relevance of the people I proposed for deletion was not shown, the deletion request remains on my part. --HarryNº2 (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Maybe one day every dead person will have a Wikidata entry, but we are now concentrating on those that appear in reliable databases and link to other people like entries at The Peerage. There is no plan yet to bulk upload Geni or Familysearch or Findagrave at this time, the difficulty of disambiguating, and matching to existing entries, and merging duplicates for thousands of people with the same name would be exhausting. That process for The Peerage took months of work for a database of moderate size. There is no reason an editor cannot upload entries one-at-a-time. --RAN (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, if the person is not relevant. --HarryNº2 (talk) 20:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Glaz

Your addition of the English Wikipedia article Glaz to disambiguation item Q9284100 was incorrect. The Wikipedia article is not a disambiguation page, but a surname page. It should have been added to the item for the surname, Q65249253. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Eppstein: You don't need to tell me that. The whole site was messed up by User:ZlyiLev. I'm trying to restore the pages Glaz (Q37277698), Głaz (Q65249253), Glaz (Q9284100) and Glaz (Q109672290) and I'm not finished yet. I am stopping my work now and you are welcome to take over. HarryNº2 (talk) 08:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for misattributing the mess, and thanks for the cleanups. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:16, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

No problem, you're welcome. HarryNº2 (talk) 20:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Reverts

Hello! I understand, that disambigation pages and surname pages is different. But page "Glaz" on enwiki - DISAMBIGATION page. Because this page don't telling about surname and history of this surname, it only have list of page with this surname (so, it's disambigation). For example, page on enwiki "Lukashenko (surname)" is DISAMBIGUATION, so we can see it in item Wikidata (Q4268777) with DISAMBIGATION, not surname. ZlyiLev (talk) 12:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

The site is in the surname category, not in the disambiguation category. If you have any problems with this, please contact Wikidata:Project chat. --HarryNº2 (talk) 12:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Page "Lukashenko (surname)" also in the surname category, not in the disambiguation category, but still in item (Q4268777) with disambigation. If it's not right, can you fix it? ZlyiLev (talk) 12:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Apparently it seems a little more complicated. Some translate it Ukrainian (Lukashenko), some Belarusian (Lukaschenka). My Cyrillic language skills are not sufficient for this. Please contact the Wikidata:Project chat. --HarryNº2 (talk) 13:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)

Hi! Thanks for your work. I can finally proof that Kreuzberg is full of squares :)

However, this change doesn't quite fit the scheme. The immediate administrative region for Mariannenplatz (Q1642243) is Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg (Q158893). It even has a mayor!

thanks, k. Karl Oblique (talk) 19:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Karl!

Isn't the order Mariannenplatz (Q1642243) → Kreuzberg (Q308928) → Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg (Q158893) → Berlin (Q64) → Germany (Q183)? At least it was an attempt to sort it out neatly.

located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) has a lot of meanings, see "Also known as". Otherwise, located in/on physical feature (P706) would be an option.

Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Check out this query. (The rows for "Berlin" are repeated because it has several instance of (P31) and I have no idea how to get around the bug with GROUPing.

It's not Kreuzberg because that's not an administrative area (any more). Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg is the municipal layer (with elections and mayors and all that). I believe it's similar in the two other city-states of Hamburg and Bremen, although the term might be different ("Distrikt" for Berlin.

Kreuzberg is the perfect choice for location (P276) here, since it's what people would tell you where you are if you asked them (and don't look disheveled enough to get "2021" as an answer).

I agree it's bit of a mess, and I don't know if those two should be merged or if more properties are needed. But it works reasonably well for now.

cheers, Karl Oblique (talk) 23:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I think Kauperts Straßenführer durch Berlin (Q24022050) solved this very clearly. A resolution down to the lowest administrative structure is very helpful for database queries. Especially from a historical point of view, before the boroughs were merged. This is very important in the case of information about the place of birth (P19) and place of death (P20) in personal articles (e.g. city instead of country, or hospital instead of city) and for info boxes. Regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 01:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Sánchez-Guerra vs Sánchez Guerra

Hello Cruzate1492!

Sánchez-Guerra (Q109807527) is a hyphenated family name (Q106319018); Sánchez Guerra is a double family name (Q29042997). A separate data record must be created for both family names. Greetings --HarryNº2 (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

son el mismo apellido, pero en español existen amabas grafías Cruzate1492 (talk) 11:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Please answer on the page where I spoke to you first. Thanks. HarryNº2 (talk) 11:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry!

Hello! Sorry about my mistake in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17492679. The interface here sometimes do unpredictable things! Oskyldigt (talk) 14:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

OK! Happy New Year! --HarryNº2 (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Compound name?

In case of e.g. Christine van Russel-Henar, she is born Henar and called Van Russel after her marriage. The same is the case with Ilse Henar-Hewitt. Aren't they allowed to have their real names anymore? I find that hard to believe. Ymnes (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ymnes: Of interest is her current name, and that is her name as in Wikipedia. Please use name in native language (P1559) for the married name and birth name (P1477) for the birth name, compare e.g. Doris Schröder-Köpf (Q72617). --HarryNº2 (talk) 12:22, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

A Wiki must reflect all moments in life. Christine van Russel-Henar was Christine Henar during her first 21 years of life. Since her marriage it depends among who she is, and she is called Christine van Russel and Christine van Russel-Henar. So all three apply, not only the situation on 27 May 2022. A Wiki is not a newspaper. In fact it not even very women friendly. Ymnes (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

There is for that name in native language (P1559) and birth name (P1477). Its current name is important, as in the lemma, especially for further use in info boxes. --HarryNº2 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I have started a discussion in Wikidata:De kroeg about your statement, and actually reactions there are as surprised as mine. Can you please give a link where is stated what are the rules on this on Wikidata (not an example, but a guideline page)? Ymnes (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Here is the guideline > Wikidata:WikiProject_Names/Properties#Person, here is the associated example > Hillary Clinton (Q6294). --HarryNº2 (talk) 10:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

It would be nice if you filled out the data records a little more conscientiously, like you obviously do your work on Dutch Wikipedia. I've done that for you now, see van Russel (Q112136764), Henar (Q112136754) and Christine van Russel-Henar (Q112136756). Discussion on this topic are completely unnecessary. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 11:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the page. Pleas let me correct your remark: I'm doing it here conscientiously. But if it's getting too difficult here, I might better not fill in anything any more. So please respect the fact that I will always only fill in things when I think I'm sure, and nothing more than that. Ymnes (talk) 13:09, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Now you have instructions, see > Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Properties . --HarryNº2 (talk) 13:22, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

By the way, "van Russel-Henar" is not a family name (Q101352), they are two family names. Ymnes (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Ymnes, 'van Russel-Henar' is one family name for one person who adapts both names. This can be in different situations, for instance after marriage or by birth when a person takes both the father's and the mother's family name. Take for instance the birth name 'Yolanthe Cabau van Kasbergen' and 'Yolanthe Sneijder-Cabau' after marriage. Démarche Modi (talk) 13:26, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

This is a double name acquired through marriage, such as e.g. Schröder-Köpf. Or the lemma in Dutch Wikipedia is wrong. The introductory text reads: "Christine van Russel-Henar is een Surinaams onderzoeker van traditionele Surinaamse klederdracht." and "Christine Henar is een Dochter van Ilse Henar-Hewitt […]. Accordingly, her birth name is "Henar" and her current name is "van Russel-Henar" (e.g. acquired by marriage or adoption). --HarryNº2 (talk) 13:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have multiple values with start time (P580)/end time (P582) qualifiers here? The project page doesn't say anything about this. bdijkstra (overleg) 13:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Of course that is possible, but only in connection with married name(s) and birth name. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 13:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I doubt very much whether it is correct to consider a married combination like "van Russel-Henar" as a family name. According to Dutch law the family name of a person is the birht name. After marriage one is allowed to use the married name in daily use (either by combining with the birth name, or stand alone), but the official name still is the birth name. See [2]. I think therefore that the way the combined name should not have any status, like it does not have with Hillary Clinton (Q6294), at least for Dutch people (I must confess that I don't know whether Surinamese law is in line). --Lymantria (talk) 15:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The lemma reads van Russel-Henar, so the person appears to have chosen a combination of names. Wikidata only reflects and does not create new facts. --HarryNº2 (talk) 15:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

It reflects the used combination of names only, not the official name (disclaimer: were it a Dutch person). Stating the combination of names as a name is creating a new fact IMHO. --Lymantria (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The Dutch Wikipedia provided the facts. If a person e.g. gives the name "Hellskitchen" as a surname, e.g. by self-chosen change of his family name, then we have to accept that. This is e.g. the case with many artists or because the real name is "Pig". In the data set for Christine van Russel-Henar (Q112136756), both cases have been taken into account with married name (Q30232378) and maiden name (Q1376230). Otherwise, I recommend discussing this in Wikidata talk:WikiProject Names. --HarryNº2 (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

My opinion differs from yours, but I leave it with that. Lymantria (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The same or not the same

With regard to this, if you don't explain why I should do that (for example, pointing me to a discussion where that's discussed, or elaborating a bit further) -> me not paying much attention to this revert in future recently-created-surname-items is a likely outcome. strakhov (talk) 13:14, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Then please have a look here >>> Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Properties#Family name. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 13:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I have taken a look. That looks like a table, and that table lists said to be the same as (P460) and different from (P1889) as possible properties, and a couple of examples. Since I do not know sources stating "Franques" and "Franqués" are the very same thing, nor even that is "disputed", nor those are "variations of arguably the same surname" (I haven't the slightest idea of the etymology of each one), and since there are already individual items for each surname (different items usually means in Wikidata different things), I'm not utterly convinced of using P460 yet. But that table is something, at least! Maybe you want to elaborate a bit further. Or maybe not. strakhov (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

What can I say about this: I have processed about 30,000 records with surnames and a few more than IP. If you don't want to believe me, please ask here > Wikidata:Project chat or here > Wikidata talk:WikiProject Names. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 14:14, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Labels in wrong scripts

See https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q113018441&diff=0&oldid=1675471697 where you listed a Thai term as being written in the Latin script. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Dear Koavf, everything is correct like that, see also Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Russian etc. Please inform yourself on Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Properties#Family name and look at the example Hansen (Q2712367). Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I still don't see anything saying that you should use labels in scripts that the language doesn't use. What am I missing here? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I do not understand your problem. An attempt at an explanation: In many languages, some letters (ä, á, æ, é, ê, ë, ẽ etc.) in similar names (e.g. Andre/André) cannot be translated because they are interpreted as a or e. Therefore, the name in the original language is placed after the description in brackets, so that there are no problems with double entries. Conversely, in the case of Russian names, for example, the original Latin name is placed in brackets (see e.g. Nechiporenko (Q112873761)). And please for the next time: A conversation starts with a friendly salutation on my talk page. If you have any further questions or if you don't understand something, please ask your question here → Wikidata talk:WikiProject Names. Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

von (Q69870160)

Can you give an example for a German family name with "von" where this is no nobiliary particle? Vollbracht (talk) 06:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Vollbracht!

Since I'm not a robot, I expect at least a friendly greeting on my talk page.

In the Middle Ages, the "von" was very often just an indication of origin: as a monk and illuminator, an "Otto von Hintertupfingen" was an "Otto" from the village of "Hintertupfingen". His name may have changed to "Otto von Obertupfingen" when he was appointed abbot of the "Obertupfingen" monastery. But even that was not a title of nobility, but a designation of origin.

I hope the explanation is enough for you. Otherwise, please check Wikipedia yourself or ask your question there. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 09:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Harry,

sorry vor not having greeted you.

Yes, in the Middle Ages it may have been. But still you won't find a recent example.

Of course a nobiliary particle is nothing legal in Germany any more but merely a part of a name. Still I have no idea how your registry office would react if you'd request a name change with an additional "von" in your name. However you'd become a laughing stock for all that get aware of that if there was no accepted higher institution ennobling you. Perhaps you could change your first names to Drusus Ingmar to be able to shorten it with Dr. Ing. ;-). Vollbracht (talk) 16:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

LL

Hildegrim von Chalons or Burchard von Worms would be an example where the name refers to origin or diocese and not descended from a noble family.

Nowadays, one can only take over a "von" from the parents or through adoption. Hans Hermann Weyer (Q109557) could help with that .

Wish you have a nice evening, HarryNº2 (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

ukrainian Г = english H

Hello! Please note that Ukrainian letter Г we transliterate the letter H to English. Thanks. Good luck --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, must have been a typo. Please make sure to use a hyphen instead of brackets in the Russian description "фамилия - Галецький" instead "фамилия (Галецький)". Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Family names vs disambiguation pages

Hi Harry, you moved en:Gogitidze link from Q12863293 (disambig page) to Q114161006 (family names)... but the en: page is just like the ru: page and the ka: page, it's simply a list of family names with nothing else. So what is the best process here? To me, those pages belong together... Then does the disambig item even need to exist? OBender12 (talk) 18:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

QuickNames

Thanks for the informations monthes ago. I use it since and I save time. It is really practical. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 08:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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