Can we agree that this identifier (and similar ones) should be reserved for instances of songs and not audio tracks?
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My thinking is the exact opposite - the lyric sites are normally tied to recorded versions and it's not uncommon to find several IDs for the same song, by different artists.
this might be especially true for "Musixmatch track ID", as it's tied to "Spotify track ID" come to think of it.
Don't you think the reason for that is simply item conflation? Lyrics certainly don't belong on singles, but since the majority of song items still conflate single, composition and track, that's where we are.
I would be against letting bad modelling dictate our "best practice" examples, hopefully these "song+single" items will all be properly split up in the years to come.
I cannot find any "Spotify track ID" on Musixmatch.com?
Is there any way to extract the Spotify ID from the identifier? Or the other way around?
There probably is, but I'm not sure how. I can try to ask around a little, see if anyone knows about it.
Any idea what to do with MetroLyrics ID? Audio track or song?
also track. MetroLyrics tie to recorded versions as well, even specific releases. I remember finding two different IDs for a Barbara Streisand track - one from a studio album, the other from a compilation. Both the same recording.
So, it's both for audio tracks and the song the track is based on?
No, it's only for the audio track, but identical tracks can appear many times across many, many releases (typically the original album, maybe a single, lots of compilations).
Since one of the ways many of these lyrics sites make money is linking to a place where you can buy the music, like Amazon, it figures they are release-centric.
One (important) thing: I'm not suggesting we remove the identifiers from songs when there aren't any tracks. Just that we move them to tracks if and when the tracks are created.
We should probably add correct type constraint to thse identifiers.
The Ballad of Fiedler and Mundt (Q107090094) Should the item be splitted into two? One for the theme song, another one for the song?
I would say no: There is only one composition, that happens to be used as theme music, maybe even composed with that purpose in mind. But it's still the same composition. And we already have a separate item for the recording.
I edited the two items a little, moved some things around and added the original album. See what you think.
Hi @J 1982 !
I'm really unsure about which Ulf Lindell covers on the Sweethearts album qualify as "translated songs" and which are "lyrical adaptations". Feel free to change anything you find weird or wrong.
Ulf Lundell lyrics
I would consider it a translated song. But who decides the difference between a trtranslated song and a lyrical adaptation?
We do, man! Drunk with power!! 😁 EDIT: There is a serious answer but that's for some another day
Do you know if the songs Q10720259 and Q10472865 ever were recorded in studios by the original performers? I've tried to check out Spotify, but can't find anything.
This claims that was the case at least with Q10720259
I can't find anything either, will try to investigate a little deeper once I've had some strong coffee
Do you know if Norway has any equivalent to the Swedish Media Database?
If no studio recordings exist, I'll remove the objects. Instead, I'll add Norsk Melodi Grand Prix live performances.
"If no studio recordings exist, I'll remove the objects. Instead, I'll add Norsk Melodi Grand Prix live performances."
- That sounds like a plan. I am sorry to say I haven't been able to find what you are looking for either.
I don't think it's as good as yours, but we do have https://www.rockipedia.no
GfK Entertainment charts
Do you know how to translate "GfK Entertainment charts"? Translate it to as many languages as you can. There is big mess with GfK Entertainment charts (Q64305519) whith I'm trying to fix and I can't fix it all because there is a lot of languages.
Btw. I'm preparing certificates for UK. BPI certification (Q106704625) (ARIA certification (Q106704990) etc.), BPI platinum album record (Q106704622), platinum record for Now You're Gone – The Album by Basshunter (Q106704572). I think you can have ideas for them.
Cool! I'm a little busy with adding missing performers at the moment, but will have a look later.
With creating platinum record for Now You're Gone – The Album by Basshunter (Q106704572) I realised we could create millions of items for any single thing such as certified record, statuette, cup given. I tried to find such a thing but couldn't find item for cup received by footbal team for victory at 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa and it was easiest place to look I think. I didn't found any item for such "personalised award" or "personal copy" - need to get better name for it if it exists.
I'm not sure these two are necessary at all (you can query for p31 = music release + record label = "self-released/not on label"), but if you think so then that's okay with me :)
ambassador of Israel to Norway and Iceland
Hello! This is not the way we usually mark it: ambassador of Israel to Norway and Iceland (Q58308489) We do two items separately for Norway and separately for Iceland, and for Iceland, we mark in the post that he is serving in the Norwegian embassy. (diplomatic mission sent (P531): Embassy of Israel, Oslo (Q11977611))
There are now two elements to the Israel-Norway relationship, and that is causing confusion. One should be deleted: ambassador of Israel to Norway and Iceland (Q58308489) & ambassador of Israel to Iceland (Q55261897) What do you think? Thanks: ~~~~
Sometimes ambassadorships cover more than one country and I guess I was trying to model that, but please feel free to improve it and split/merge how you best see fit, I am sure you know more about this than me :)
Okay, thanks, I'll transform. Thanks! Bye!
(Stalker) Countries may change "accreditation". For example the job (Iceland) may be taken from the guy/gal in Oslo and given to another diplomat in Stockholm or Copenhagen. Better to keep each one apart. BTW ambassadors should be named by the city and not the country (Moscow instead of RF). IMHO of course. Best.
hehe, stalk away! 🕵️♀️ Makes sense to me, good to see some effort put into this area, by people smarter than I.
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