Property talk:P127

Documentation

owned by
owner of the subject

Description

Buildings have owners, and these are usually shown in infoboxes on WP (for organisations, use parent organization (P749))

Represents

proprietor (Q12794619), property (Q1400881), owned by (Q66758185)

Data type

Item

Template parameter

w:en:template:Infobox building, field "owner="

Domain

According to this template: buildings, works of art...

According to statements in the property:
organization (Q43229), structure (Q6671777), concrete object (Q4406616), individual animal (Q26401003), protected area (Q473972), trademark (Q167270), event (Q1656682), fictional entity (Q14897293), mythical entity (Q24334685), house name (Q19913602), pet (Q39201), human (Q5), territory (Q4835091), brand (Q431289), media (Q340169), identifier (Q853614), user account (Q3604202), horse (Q726) or artificial object (Q16686448)

When possible, data should only be stored as statements

Allowed values

persons, organisations... (note: this should be moved to the property statements)

Example

Choupette (Q5105465) → Karl Lagerfeld (Q76716)
Eiffel Tower (Q243) → Paris (Q90)
Wiktionary (Q151) → Wikimedia Foundation (Q180)
Schönbrunn Palace (Q131330) → Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (Q150494)
Materne Confilux (Q16663722) → Regional Investment Company of Wallonia (Q7309087)

Tracking: same

no label (Q32074384)

Tracking: differences

no label (Q27673359)

Tracking: usage

Category:Pages using Wikidata property P127 (Q23908986)

Tracking: local yes, WD no

Category:Owned by not in Wikidata, but available on Wikipedia (Q27673360)

See also

parent organization (P749), operator (P137), copyright holder (P3931), beforehand owned by (P11811), afterward owned by (P11812)

Lists

Proposal discussion

Current uses

Total	1,007,115
Main statement	1,005,847	99.9% of uses
Qualifier	1,215	0.1% of uses
Reference	53	<0.1% of uses

Search for values

[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]

Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), proportion (P1107), point in time (P585), applies to part (P518), has cause (P828), earliest date (P1319), latest date (P1326), service entry (P729), service retirement (P730), object named as (P1932), nature of statement (P5102), sourcing circumstances (P1480), including (P1012), excluding (P1011), series ordinal (P1545), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), end cause (P1534), latest start date (P8555), earliest end date (P8554), donated by (P1028), quantity (P1114), statement is subject of (P805), replaces (P1365), replaced by (P1366), subject named as (P1810), of (P642), location (P276), applies to work (P10663), together with (P1706)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL

Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (owned by (P127)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#Contemporary, SPARQL

Value type “person (Q215627), organization (Q43229), imaginary character (Q115537581), fictional organization (Q14623646), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), human social group (Q874405), legal person (Q3778211), synagogue (Q34627), anonymous (Q4233718), social media account (Q102345381), school (Q3914), pseudonym (Q61002), television channel (Q2001305), group of fictional characters (Q14514600)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value person (Q215627), organization (Q43229), imaginary character (Q115537581), fictional organization (Q14623646), administrative territorial entity (Q56061), human social group (Q874405), legal person (Q3778211), synagogue (Q34627), anonymous (Q4233718), social media account (Q102345381), school (Q3914), pseudonym (Q61002), television channel (Q2001305), group of fictional characters (Q14514600) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Tree That Owns Itself (Q1421130), Callot sisters (Q62554877), Tree That Owns Itself (Q60760628), Uihlein Hall (Q125388849), William H. Mortensen Hall (Q125395248)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#Value type Q215627, Q43229, Q115537581, Q14623646, Q56061, Q874405, Q3778211, Q34627, Q4233718, Q102345381, Q3914, Q61002, Q2001305, Q14514600, SPARQL

None of Government of India (Q2767140): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: India (Q668) (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#none of, SPARQL

Type “organization (Q43229), structure (Q6671777), concrete object (Q4406616), individual animal (Q26401003), protected area (Q473972), trademark (Q167270), event (Q1656682), fictional entity (Q14897293), mythical entity (Q24334685), house name (Q19913602), pet (Q39201), human (Q5), territory (Q4835091), brand (Q431289), media (Q340169), identifier (Q853614), user account (Q3604202), horse (Q726), artificial object (Q16686448)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “organization (Q43229), structure (Q6671777), concrete object (Q4406616), individual animal (Q26401003), protected area (Q473972), trademark (Q167270), event (Q1656682), fictional entity (Q14897293), mythical entity (Q24334685), house name (Q19913602), pet (Q39201), human (Q5), territory (Q4835091), brand (Q431289), media (Q340169), identifier (Q853614), user account (Q3604202), horse (Q726), artificial object (Q16686448)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#Type Q43229, Q6671777, Q4406616, Q26401003, Q473972, Q167270, Q1656682, Q14897293, Q24334685, Q19913602, Q39201, Q5, Q4835091, Q431289, Q340169, Q853614, Q3604202, Q726, Q16686448, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200), Wikibase MediaInfo (Q59712033): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#Scope, SPARQL

Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (P127) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history.

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P127#Contemporary, SPARQL

This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Archived creation discussion[edit]

Owner[edit]

Danrok (talk) 21:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But surely we'll have an owner field that can be used for a range of things that can be owned: buildings, businesses of all kinds (including sports teams, mentioned elsewhere) -- right? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course many things have owners. A "parent organisation" is the owner its subsidiaries . I'd suggest getting owner in place, and in use for one or two types of things to begin with, then open it up to other types. Danrok (talk) 22:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support for use here and elsewhere... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done It's here Property:P165, and can be used for organisations, and pretty much anything which has a legal owner. Danrok (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Documentation[edit]

We should have some guidelines for this property. For instance, it states that some brands are owned by some companies, but I am not sure it that is tecnically correct. The company may own the subsidiary in charge of the brand, it can also own the brand commercial name, but I am not sure either of these is exactly of the same thing as owning the brand. --Zolo (talk) 09:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that owning a subsidiary that owns a brand is not the same as owning a brand. The chain of ownership should be recorded as it really is. I guess we could call it a distinction between direct and indirect ownership. I think this property should be used for direct ownership, and as for indirect ownership I don't think we need a property, as this can be inferred from the chain of direct ownership relations.

As for the particular issue of owning brands, AFAIK many countries consider brands as intellectual property in the form of trademarks, which one can have legal ownership of, just as with other kinds of property.

Silver hr (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate[edit]

should be merged with Property:P127 JAn Dudík (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Danrok (talk) 22:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do a bot request Even though it requires a lot more edts, I think items using P127 must be moved to P165 rather than the other way round, as P127 is the more general property.--Zolo (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done [1] --Zolo (talk) 08:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this one was apparently also about all sorts of owners at some point, so I kept this one. --Zolo (talk) 09:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

generalize / généralisation[edit]

cf. Property talk:P126

Oui, voir just au dessus :). --Zolo (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to "is owned by"[edit]

Currently, "X owner Y" means "X is owned by Y" which is not very obvious. One could just as well (and possibly more likely) interpret "X owner Y" to mean "X is the owner of Y". Therefore, I propose that this property be renamed to "is owned by". Silver hr (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added "is owned by" as alias. Since the corresponding infobox parameter name is a noun, I think we should keep "owner" as label. This is a common problem for many properties - the verb form is easier to understand, while the noun form is used by the infoboxes. We should have a common approach. Mange01 (talk) 16:27, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about the need for a common approach for all properties regarding this issue. Has there been any central discussion somewhere? Silver hr (talk) 19:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a 'problem' Mange01 -- there is absolutely no obligation here to create a property because an infobox has one, much less name it exactly the same as an infobox parameter. I support Silver hr's suggestion and am going to change it. I recently changed "employer" to "employed by" on the same basis. Espeso (talk) 17:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify my statement, a property does not have to be named exactly the same as an infobox parameter to be mapped to it. In any event, if you still disagree with the change proposed by Silver hr and implemented by me, feel free to revert and discuss. (Note I removed the word "is" in "is owned by" largely to make the property simpler to enter from the keyboard--if many properties start with "is", the dropdown list is big.) Regards, Espeso (talk) 17:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your note, it's an interesting problem. On the one hand, if we include the "is", then automated construction of natural-language sentences by using labels is possible. On the other, as you said, data entry is made a bit harder. Since I think that the ability to support automatic construction of natural-language sentences would be nice to have, maybe we could solve this by using sort keys? If they were implemented, that is. Silver hr (talk) 00:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

True. But... the present tense is a bit of a problem when we think of those poor famous people or organizations that are no longer with this. (We're supposed to get around the timeframe issue with "qualifiers" eventually, as you probably know.) I was about to change the label again based on your reasoning (since the alias without "is" serves as an alternate lookup anyway), then I thought of the present-tense "problem". Not worth spilling more ink over, one way or the other, for me. Espeso (talk) 04:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, temporal qualifiers do complicate the situation. I still think we could have automatic construction by looking at the qualifiers as well, but in any case, that kind of work belongs in the future. Silver hr (talk) 14:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conufsion[edit]

owner
owned by

This is a condradiction

XY is owner of zy
XY is owned by zy

->I changed the english label to owner of--Svebert (talk) 10:50, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

German Label Eigentümer vs. Besitzer[edit]

In der deutschen Sprache wird unterschieden zwischen Besitzer und Eigentümer. Besitzer: Jemand der ein Land oder Haus mietet, pachtet, der Verfügungsgewalt hat. Ein Dieb ist Besitzer eines gestohlenen Gegenstands. Eigentümer: Jemand der der das Land/ Wohnung gekauft oder geerbt hat. Der Eigentümer bleibt Eigentümer eines gestohlenen Gegenstands, auch dann wenn er nicht mehr auftaucht, der Dieb oder Hehler ist unrechtmäßiger Besitzer.

Welche Definition trifft zu?--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

in aller Regel wird es um Eigentümer gehen, nicht um Pächter/Mieter (Besitzer). Habe das also geändert. Die Beschreibung ist vielleicht noch etwas holprig. Holger1959 (talk) 22:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Share[edit]

I am using this property extensively for companies. However for companies it is usual, that company has majority owner holding some share (like 51% or 99%), and I want to add this info as qualifier. But I am not able to found any appropriate property. Any ideas ? --Jklamo (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

proportion (P1107). —putnik 02:04, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

accountablePerson[edit]

Can https://schema.org/accountablePerson have some overlap with this property? Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why use a inverse property label item as subject item?[edit]

@Infovarius: it seems to me like we get a mess when we start using inverse property label items outside of what they are created to do. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

of (P642)[edit]

is needed to express end cause (P1534)

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q108696628&diff=prev&oldid=1588429787&diffmode=source
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q108696628&diff=next&oldid=1588429787&diffmode=source

--Oursana (talk) 10:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

contemporary constraint[edit]

"contemporary constraint

The entities Tintern Abbey and Cadw should be contemporary to be linked through owned by, but the latest end value of Tintern Abbey is 3 September 1536 and the earliest start value of Cadw is 1984."

From Tintern Abbey (Q1439379). This has gone wrong somewhere! Things can change overnership - the heritage organisation does not need to be as old as the heritage building! Secretlondon (talk) 12:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]