Property talk:P144

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based on
the work(s) used as basis for subject
Description The work(s) used as basis for subject. See also separated from (P807), inspired by (P941), depicts (P180), main subject (P921) and named after (P138).
Represents based on (Q30171963)
Data type Item
Domain
According to this template: work (Q386724)
According to statements in the property:
work (Q386724), cultivar (Q4886) and performing arts production (Q43099500)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values Any other item (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example A (Q9659)Α (Q9887)
Ubuntu (Q381)Debian (Q7593)
Statue of Zeus at Olympia (Q46239)Iliad (Q8275)
State Anthem of the Russian Federation (Q1225991)National Anthem of the Soviet Union (Q251918)
Rich Site Summary (Q45432)Extensible Markup Language (Q2115)
Tracking: same no label (Q42533307)
Tracking: usage Category:Pages using Wikidata property P144 (Q21037784)
See also has cause (P828), material used (P186)
Lists
Proposal discussion Property proposal/Archive/1#P144
Current uses 15,781
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Type “work (Q386724), cultivar (Q4886), performing arts production (Q43099500): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “work (Q386724), cultivar (Q4886), performing arts production (Q43099500)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P144#Type Q386724, Q4886, Q43099500, SPARQL
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)


Wie wäre es als Bezeichnung "Vorlage" zu nehmen? --Goldzahn (talk) 19:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

forked from[edit]

See Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#forked_from. Superm401 - Talk 07:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I created separated from (P807) for forked from. Now the question is if this property can be expanded to reflect "inspired by". --Micru (talk) 04:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

"based on" is not the same as "inspired by"[edit]

I don't think "based on" and "inspired by" should be sharing the same property, it's potentially confusing.

  • A film which is inspired by a book, is highly unlikely to follow the same story as the book. But, would have some similar characteristics.
  • A film which is based on a book, is likely to follow the same story as the book.

There's a big difference between these two things. Danrok (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree--Shisma (talk) 15:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I undid the changes. There is separated from (P807), but it doesn't seem to fit other derivatives, or e.g. a website running a program (although maybe based on (P144) cannot really fit the latter, either). --AVRS (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
✓ Done See: inspired by (P941).--Micru (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Do we have a distinction between influenced by (P737) and inspired by (P941)? d1g (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

French translation[edit]

En Français, on dit plutôt « adapté de » plutôt que « basé sur ». --PAC2 (talk) 10:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

PAC2 : tout à fait d'accord, j'ai rajouté un alias. Kvardek du (talk) 22:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
« basé sur » n'est pas correct en français. J'avais renommé la propriété en « fondé sur » mais ce n'était certainement pas parfait puisque Ash Crow l'a récemment renommé en « basé sur » retournant ainsi à un anglicisme. Je propose de renommer la propriété en « adapté de ». O.Taris (talk) 18:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
OK pour « adapté de ». J'ajoute aussi « dérivé de » au passage. -Ash Crow (talk) 22:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

extended from[edit]

I put extended from per w:Template:Infobox file format. --Rezonansowy (talk) 11:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Reverse property?[edit]

If a TV series or a film is based on a book, the book is the basis of the TV series or film. But I could not find any reverse property like that... What property should be used in such cases?--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 08:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC), edited

Reasonator? --- Jura 12:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
@Jura1: I encountered the problem in The Wind in the Willows (Q936276), which lists four "editions" of the novel. Unfortunately, only one of them is a real edition: of the others, one is a TV series and two are films. I wonder what property to use to properly link to them.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 15:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
@Jura1, Erasmo Barresi: A reverse property would also be useful for broadcast productions. Example:
The radio drama no label (Q1753249) with multiple productions:
Träume (NWDR 1951) (Q20963058)
Träume (SWF 1955) (Q20963064)
no label (Q20963072)
I've used edition(s) (P747) as reverse property but imho P747 should only used for books. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Q860957 is preserved not as the original, but in 4 different copies ( Q39482683, Q39482678, Q39482672, Q39482668). I can say, the copies are "based on", but not, there are 4 copies of the original. Marcus Cyron (talk) 10:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Really edition(s) (P747) doesn't work as a reverse property. Verdi's opera Rigoletto (Q189234) is based on (P144) Victor Hugo's play Le roi s'amuse (Q1473603), but it is clearly NOT an edition(s) (P747) that play. We need another property for the reverse. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Incarnations of mythical species[edit]

According to its item, the Warcraft character Thrall (Q820088) is an Orc (Q722547). Orc (Q722547) in this case, refers specifically to the fictional race of characters in the Warcraft universe. One would think such instances would also be instances of orc (Q194061), referring to the general mythical creature, and that Orc (Q722547) would be a subclass of (P279) orc (Q194061). However, currently Orc (Q722547) is only listed as being based on (P144) orc (Q194061). P144 seems to be correct, thinking of it as a creative work based on an earlier myth, but P279 also seems correct. There are a lot of situations like this, where P144 seems to overlap with P279. In these cases, should only P279 be used? Or only P144? Or both? --Yair rand (talk) 22:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Splitting "adapted from" from this property[edit]

Hey All, So I have been thinking a lot latey about how we use "based on" (Property:P144 to deal with both en:wiki:Literary_adaptation and succession between versions (one of the principle examples at the property, is RSS which is "based on" XML).

And then we have examples of the usage like at Q129049 where the "based on" is pointing at a non-adaptation, but rather precedent historical events (someone's life, without clear work being adapted). This muddies the concept even further, and makes the field almost useles

All and all, if we want to accurately represent adaptation, which is a very specific concept with a huge body of scholarship, we need to make sure that the properties serve two different functions, especially around creative works (topical "based on" vs "adaptation" in the scholarly sense of the term). I am kindof new to this whole property, thing, so would greatly appreciate both feedback and help proposing the split, Sadads (talk) 17:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, I did a Wikidata Query: I think this effects ~ 7000 works out of potentially 9000 that use it at the moment, per the query at [1], Sadads (talk) 17:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
We also have inspired by (P941). What about just adding the as (DEPRECATED) (P794) qualifier and literary adaptation (Q352425)? Multichill (talk) 11:09, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Adaptation is closer to based on (P144) than as (DEPRECATED) (P794) -- 794 does not imply reuse of the original item's material (adaptation is a process which specifically calls on a work, and then reimagines the original work in a new form -- adaptation is directly attributable and non-trivial, while appropriation (the flip side of adaptation), is using an element -- and might be closer to p794 -- in that the element often is reused in some way often with a wink to the reader, but not always). In part, I am very worried with the current "also known as" for this property, because it muddles the concept with a number of other concepts and then calls them "same as". In particular, the 144 example of Debian-->P144--> Linux implies that progressive derivative work is the same as adaptation.
Perhaps as you imply, 144 + Qualifer of Q352425.... I am still torn... I think it leaves a lot of room for poor use of 144. Can we put some type of filter that allows this to be patrolled for creative/literary works? Sadads (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Usage as qualifier would be more precise[edit]

At least for films:

Parody works (films) can parody multiple works at once:

<Film with elements of parody>:

d1g (talk) 15:19, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Why it should be qualifier in these cases? --Infovarius (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

"based upon" "loosely based upon" "directly based upon"[edit]

or based on (P144) + <new property> = <loosely|directly>