User talk:Infovarius/Archive/2022

Persepolis

Happy new year Anton! :) One question: taking into account that Persepolis already has capital of Achaemenid Empire (P31 & P1376) and Achaemenid architecture (P149), is it necessary to put "Achaemenid Empire" and "Macedonian Empire" in P17, as you did? I personally edited few thousands of Iranian historical sites and I used P17 only for today's country, never historical ones. --Orijentolog (talk) 08:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: Happy new year to you too! Yes, I am pretty sure, that there should be P17 for every possible time period (with current value as preferred). --Infovarius (talk) 21:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, it means you did not make a mistake, I searched about that particular issue and saw that there's no consensus. I reverted you only because I tend to keep unification with thousands of other Iranian sites. There are two more reasons why I prefer not to put historic states; when they put historic one on the top here on Wikidata, infobox on Commons does not show current location properly (it should be: place, district, county, province, Iran). Second and the biggest problem is that Iran has some 22 major dynastic periods (see here A-Z) so twenty more can be put only for Persepolis. Not to mention tens of thousands of others sites, which would require hundreds of thousands of edits. That's why my habit here is to put only specific styles (Q17993891, Q5718239, Q5957125...), instead of listing historic dynastic states. --Orijentolog (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: 22 is not too much... and hundreds of thousands of edits are possible. But I am not sure that "dynasty" should be mixed with historical states. Compare e.g. Umayyad dynasty (Q45646) and Umayyad Caliphate (Q8575586). To my mind in addition to Q207991 there should be an item for "دولت شاهنشاهی ایران". So I still believe we should have all historical values. But as for Q17993891, it probably corresponds to specific period only, so for such items single value p17 is quite enough. --Infovarius (talk) 23:05, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not strongly against, just I'm thinking of the most practical solution. For example, if there are thousands of historical buildings in Shiraz or Isfahan, I believe it's more useful to make such lists for cities (or administrative divisions), instead for every individual building. Some Wikipedia articles are having such lists as "Historical affiliations" table (example: Brussels) and it's highly useful, especially for editors like me who tend to make architectural periodization for all sites.

Regarding the foundation of Persepolis, the date of "560 BC" is 100% wrong, so I changed it to 510s BC with two references. Precise year is not known, various authors give staring year as 519, 518, 515 or 511 BC. Speaking of Andre Godard's assumption: (1) it's little bit outdated, (2) it's an approximate date based on the beginning of Cyrus' reign, (3) the hypothesis that Cyrus the Great founded Persepolis is doubted, and it's actually based on the idea that Takht-e Rostam was built by Cyrus (or Cambyses), however, that site is some 4-5 km far from Persepolis.

Anyway, thank you for caring about Iranian chronology, personally I dated thousands of artworks and buildings by 681 years and 167 decades, often backed with strong references here on Wikidata, and from personal experience I can say that some 30% dates given by Wikipedias (English, Persian, etc.) are incorrect, unfortunately. So don't take "560 BC" from Russian Wikipedia as a fact. --Orijentolog (talk) 15:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

removed E number

E Numbers are defined as numbers for food additives approved for the use in the European Union. Approved E numbers are defined in Regulation (EC) No 1333/2008. There is confusion with INS numbers by the FAO, which are similar but not the same. INS numbers are without the E at the beginning, see here. In Wikidata there are various items, like Ammonium chloride and cupric sulfate, where an INS number is wrongly used as E numbers. Regards --Bert (talk) 09:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Infovarius, I had situation earlier that the deletion of a wrong E number was reverted by another author. It might be an option to add another identifier "INS number" to WIKIDATA? Unfortunately, I am not experienced in creating new properties in WIKIDATA. But, as I see you are very active here, maybe you can help? Regards --Bert (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bert.Kilanowski: it is possible at Wikidata:Property proposal. How many values different from "E number" do you expect? --Infovarius (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I have recently updated the List of food additives at the German Wikipedia. There you can see the direct comparison. Strikethrough E numbers are no longer valid. There are E number without corresponding INS (e.g. E 127) and INS without E number (e.g. INS 134), Substances which have different INS and E number, like Orecin (E 121 / INS 182) and numbers which are used for different substances, like 225 (E 225 = calcium disulfite; INS 225 = potassium sulfite). Regards --Bert (talk) 09:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Q107090982 Yelena Popova

Are you certain that Yelena Popova (Q107090982) the Russian physicist is the same person as the one who is an artist at https://www.instagram.com/pelena_art/? It doesn't seem likely to me and there is no indication that they are the same.UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@UWashPrincipalCataloger: yes I know her personally. --Infovarius (talk) 20:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah great! It would be really great if you could add some sort of reference that shows she is both a physicist and an artist. Otherwise, other editors might also think that two different people are on one item. Happy New Year! UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Horizontal jump revision

track and field (Q3312129) is a combination of track and field sports respectively. I don't want to make field sports subclasses of track and field (Q3312129) or that would be messy. Therefore, it should just remain field (Q188869). Lectrician1 (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind I put the wrong field value. It's fixed. Lectrician1 (talk) 19:27, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

It was correct

I don't know why you changed that but it was correct. Mike210381 (talk) 22:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mike210381: aren't these articles more close to Polish one? --Infovarius (talk) 15:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

No, they aren't. Mike210381 (talk) 19:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Sidereal month(s)

Hello again! I'd appreciate your comments on this:

I claimed sidereal month (Q14907142) to be an instance of (P31) lunar month (Q591259) based on the definition being singular, in spite of it being imprecise. Joachim Herrmann writes (my translation from Swedish): "We may also define the month in another way. The time it takes for the Moon, after one cycle, to again reach a particular star in the Zodiac is called a sidereal month, and it has a length of 27d 07h 43m 12s."

Herrmann doesn't spell it out explicitly, but that period is of course both approximate and variable, depending on which star is chosen. Is that what you are referring to with your comment that there is not just a single "sidereal month"?

I won't insist that the claim in Wikidata should refer to the definition rather than to the multitude of periods that might be observed, but I think a case could be made for "sidereal month" to be considered both an instance of the class of lunar month definitions and a subclass of a near infinite number of actual measurable periods. Or what do you say? --SM5POR (talk) 09:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I mean more that it is a class of time intervals (though of equal duration), so it should be a subclass of more broad class of time intervals. --Infovarius (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Asclepius

You reverted my edit to Asclepius and asked "What's wrong?" The problem is that saying he's an "instance of" Q41873360 just doesn't make sense. I don't recall seeing a raw code like that popping anywhere else in any similar datafield. Q41873360 isn't a descriptor in any language and provides no useful information. And since I couldn't see what the Q41873360 page itself was trying to achieve, or how to fix it, it just seemed easiest to cut the link from Asclepius.

I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes, and I see you've done some work on Q41873360, so can give it a meaningful label, that would be great.

The immediate problem for me is that we have an infobox for the Asclepius page on Cywiki that imports data from Wikidata, so we have the entirely meaningless Q41873360 label appearing in it. --Craigysgafn (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Craigysgafn: I (almost) don't understand the problem. Q41873360 has labels in 4 languages, you can freely add any other translation if you want. --Infovarius (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yma Sumac

Hey! What's up? I saw your modification. In the birth certificate of Yma Sumac it says she was originally named Zoila Emperatriz Chávarri Castillo, the "Augusta" and "Del Castillo" was added later in 1942. Check it out this pic and this other one.

Thank you to Russia for still remembering to Yma Sumac.

Grammatical category

Looking into Wikidata:WikiProject Linguistics/typology I wondered why such an obvious category as part of speech (Q82042) was missing in the grammatical category (Q980357) task list. I mean, it's the very first concept of grammar taught in Swedish elementary school. Then I realized not much has happened in the WikiProject Linguistics since 2015, and out of currently eight project members, only five (you and me included) have been at all active during the past two years.

I also think that the class structure is confused. While most grammemes seem to be correctly listed as instance of (P31) their respective grammatical category (Q980357), several (if not all) of the categories have a claim subclass of (P279) grammatical category (Q980357), thereby implicitly making the grammemes grammatical categories too! "Singular" being a more specialized grammatical category, besides being a grammeme? I kind of doubt that, and it wreaks havoc with my attempt to automatically produce a tree showing all top-level grammemes (I plan to use wdt:P31/wdt:P279* to find all grammemes in each category, to allow removing redundant instance of (P31) claims, but it times out now, probably because the local class tree includes too much stuff in a "turtles all the way down" kind of way).

Looking at the edit histories, I see that you actually defined those categories as instance of (P31) of grammatical category (Q980357) back in 2014, but in 2015 those claims were changed into subclass of (P279). Do you have any idea why? It's so long ago that I doubt I will find any discussion of that issue, as the typology project page has no corresponding talk page. Would you approve of going back to using instance of (P31), or is someone else now dependent on the current peculiar structure?

Besides, I'm also curious as to how you know that rational (Q12975179) is a grammatical category; I mean, a category unique to the Tamil language? I don't know Tamil at all; do you? I had Google translate ta:உயர்திணை for me but it still does not make much sense; it seems to me as if Swedish (or Russian) might have a "carnivore" grammatical construct that might appear in random sentences as a wolf, a bear, or a lynx. I'll have to ask next time I meet someone who speaks Tamil... --SM5POR (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Looking further into the "Tamil grammar" mystery, I'm getting the impression that there is some serious mistranslation going on here, or Tamil has some completely different concept of linguistics. I went to the en:Grammar article, it's about grammar, no problem. It does in fact mention Tamil once, as the source of a pretty early grammar,

Then I took the Tamil article linked to the English one via grammar (Q8091) and asked Google to translate it. It starts out rather okay, I think:

"Grammar refers to the rules that define the structure and usage of a language."

But then comes a major section about "Tamil grammar", containing statements like

"Agathiyam is the appropriate grammar book for kissing." (Kissing? Huh?)

"Writing is the primary cause of language in the auditory cortex." (Do they really mean "writing" here?)

"Of the nine syllables in semantic power in the epic, five syllables refer to semantic grammar." (Syllables?)

"Semantic grammar is only available in Tamil. Semantic grammar does not exist in other languages." (Aha!)

Now, those last two sentences actually make perfect sense. The Tamil article is apparently about something we don't recognize as grammar, but it's translated "grammar" anyway, for lack of a better word. Then it's no surprise to me why a Tamil text about "grammatical categories" in English translation essentially comes out to me as "My hovercraft is full of eels"...

I give up. I have no hope of understanding what this Tamil grammar is all about, and I may have to ignore those linguistic items that have articles in Tamil only, as they don't seem to map to anything I understand. -- SM5POR (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I changed my mind. I'm not giving up! -- SM5POR (talk) 02:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Getting back to the grammatical categories, I actually found the discussion that led to each distinct category being defined as a "subclass" of the class of categories; it was just a hasty decision without sorting out the ontological implications of using instance vs subclass. Then I see no reason to keep it that way, but we should perhaps explain why instance of (P31) is the proper relation to use between an individual object and a category of such objects. Also, due to the large number of items we could use a few model items, and I know exactly which items to nominate... -- SM5POR (talk) 20:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/TASS Encyclopedia ID, Wikidata:Property proposal/Chuvash Encyclopedia ID

Добрый вечер! Благодарю Вас за огромный интерес к проекту Викиданных "Россия", но к Вам один вопрос - что нужно сделать с Энциклопедией ТАСС и Чувашской энциклопедией, у которой есть интернет-версия? При этом свойства обсуждаются с октября и до сих пор итог не подведён. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 19:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Flying Spaghetti Monster (Q12044)

I capitalized the C because it's a beginning of a sentence. Europe2016 (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Europe2016: It's not a beginning of sentence, it's a part of sentence. --Infovarius (talk) 21:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Big city

Revision How can we establish consensus on this? Lectrician1 (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Martin (Q27001)

hey, I created a new artical in the Hebrew wikipadia, and I need to add the wikidata item to the artical...
The problem is that I cant add the hebrew acrtical to the wikidata item because this item is protected, and I dont have the premission to edit it. Can you help me with adding the artical to this item?

• The artical in hebrew: מרטין (עיר)
• The wikidata item: Martin (Q27001)
• If you need help, there is the English artical: Martin, Slovakia
  Thanks! --Gross2killer (talk) 16:44, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

User:HiyoriX has done it. --Infovarius (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation in label for China Q29520

Hi.

I changed the label of Q29520 to disambiguate China (the country) with China (the cultural region). Changing labels for disambiguation is common practice for places (I can give thousands of examples: Johnson (Q9012503), Blangy (Q19832789), Andreas (Q2484746), Varbovo (Q4129136) etc.).

You reverted my modification. I did this modification because Q29520 is very often misused in place of the real China (Q148).

If you want to keep this change, no problem.

Please fix every wikidata page with the mistake, now and in the future, so that this mistake never happens again.

You can have the list of pages with this mistake here:

- https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fcity%20%3FcityLabelWHERE{%20%20{%3Fcity%20wdt%3AP17%20wd%3AQ29520}%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20{%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20"en"%20.%20}%20} -

Thanks !

-Sifalot (talk) 23:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Sifalot, yes, ambiguous usings should be fixed. But practice of adding disambiguation to labels is wrong, see Help:Label#Labels can be ambiguous. --Infovarius (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Q43514

Hello Infovarius,

The picture you brought back in Q43514 shows that the mass of a body changes the course of a wave passing by. This phenomena relates to general relativity, while Q43514 is about special relativity. The theory is about (1) the finite speed of light, (2) the maximum speed of light (in vacuum), (3) the relativity of observers, these three implying the length contraction and the time dilation. I doubt that the picture conveys all those important ideas.

Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 12:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cantons-de-l'Est: thanks for noticing. But this item is about both general and special. Q11455 is the special relativity. But anyway we need some more general (sorry for calembour) image, I've changed to some other. --Infovarius (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Q1419245

Вы отменили мою правку с кипятка обратно на тёплую воду с комментарием "от 30 до 60 явно не кипяток". Откуда у вас эти данные? Вижу в соответствующей статье немецкой Википедии Heißwasser указание на 110 градусов. --Dlom (talk) 19:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dlom: ну все остальные метки и описания об этом говорили. А статья была добавлена только месяц назад, может, это было неправильно сделано? --Infovarius (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Где конкретно в тех остальных метках и описаниях указано "от 30 до 60"? Я не сильна в Викиданных, может, не знаю, где это увидеть? --Dlom (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dlom:В немецком описании было, я исправил. Смотреть и изменять другие языки можно, подключив гаджет LabelLister в настройках. --Infovarius (talk) 15:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Q801

About holady in israel. I removed the list of Jewish holidays because they are a religious holidays and not a national holidays. Jews can celebrate Passover anywhere in the world, and Christians or Muslims cannot be forced to celebrate Purim. Regards. Effib (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Effib: ok, if they are not national then they can be removed. --Infovarius (talk) 21:16, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

I don't think P6802 are supposed to be used with videos. Maybe we should propose a new property? --Trade (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Probably. Or just not to use side videos. Infovarius (talk) 15:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed number of deaths because it did not specified that it only applied to Ukrainian soldiers and i don't know what the correct way to do that is --Trade (talk) 22:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it's probably just too early to add this info... --Infovarius (talk) 15:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I only listed a few victims that were notable. --Trade (talk) 14:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC) @Infovarius: --Trade (talk) 14:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

It's an arbitrary choice. There are already many more in Wikipedias, they can be also notable... I suppose it's not common practice to enlist victims of any battle/war. --Infovarius (talk) 15:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

How about we limit it to only people with the military rank of General or higher? I feel like that's a pretty fair bar that are unlikely to get you of control. @Infovarius:--Trade (talk) 16:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Birth place of Yma Sumac

Hey! Sorry for not be clear about the reason of changing her birth place (it doesn't let me to express it in the historial). Her birth certificate says she was registered in Callao, not borned there. Her other certificates (birth, passport, etc) says she was born in Ichocan. So it's very confussing, so I decided to put just "Peru". Yma's Chavarri family says she was born in Ichocan too. Greetings. --ImmaSumack (talk) 18:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ImmaSumack: hello. I understand your wish to change to "Peru", but we can do better. We have sources and we should reflect them. Abel Yataco, periodista chalaco que pudo conversar con la intérprete peruana comenta sobre el tema: “(…) en mayo del 2006 la entrevisté personalmente y confirmó que nació en el Callao... La diva nació en la Calle Cochrane nº 91 lo que hoy es la primera de Cusco, el 13 de setiembre de 1922, When Zoila Augusta Emperatriz Chávarri Del Castillo (Yma Sumac) was born on 13 September 1922, in Callao, Callao, Peru, her father, Sixto Absalon Chavarri Esparsa, was 31 and her mother, Emilia Del Castillo Tarazona, was 33. So we can (and should) put "Callao" as value. You are free to put "Ichocan" as value with appropriate sources. Greetings. --Infovarius (talk) 13:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Предпочтительные ранги

Добрый день, коллега. Обратите внимание на разницу между предпочтительными и нерекомендуемыми рангами, а также на то, чем является город и городское поселение. Честно говоря количество Ваших некорректных отмен и необходимость обращаться к Вам после них слишком велико и занимает чрезмерно много времени. Пожалуйста, экономьте мое, свое время и время других участников. --Ksc~ruwiki (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ksc~ruwiki: Я понимаю ранги, а Вы? Эта правка не имеет смысла. Она говорит: "сейчас это город, а когда-то в прошлом это была (также) административная единица". Если это то, что подразумевалось, то я посыплю голову пеплом (но хотелось бы больше определенности, когда Ростов стал АТЕ, а когда перестал ею быть). Если вы хотите намекнуть, что значение "АТЕ" вообще неверно, то никакой ранг не спасёт, надо просто удалять это значение. Хотя мне было бы жаль, если этот город перестал входить в дерево АТЕ России. P.S. Чтобы сэкономить время, можно отменять мою правку, добавляя аргумент, это было бы полезнее. Но вы зачем-то потратили время на довольно бессмысленное сообщение на моей СО... --Infovarius (talk) 13:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Коллега, предпочтительный ранг присваивается самому актуальному значению в данном случае, Ростов - это город в течение большей части своей истории и именно поэтому является частью АТЕ, обратное неверно, когда-то в прошлом, когда не было АТЕ и тем более современной Российской Федерации, Ростов все-равно был городом, поэтому это значение должно иметь предпочтительный ранг. --Ksc~ruwiki (talk) 19:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

potato Q10998: thanks, your rollback was valid. My description was not ideal

Just going here to acknowledge that your rollback on the Q10998 was good. I will pay more attention in the future. Keep going on! EmericusPetro (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Q631942

Priviet, you undid my last edit in Q631942, and restored an information in which Q631942 directly links to itself, so Q631942. I'm not sure if that makes any sense... ThomasPusch (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

merger of Rabinowitz (Q21491987) and Q21181921

Hi,

I thing you shouldn't have merged Rabinowitz (Q21491987) and Q21181921. One is a disambig page, the other a family name. Please revert, DGtal (talk) 08:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

About frequency (Q11652) qualifier of recurring event (Q15275719)

frequency (Q11652) and its corresponding property frequency (P2144) is apparently inappropriate. See Wikidata property example (P1855) of frequency (P2144). Fortunately, no one misuse this qualifier for now[1]. You can see appropriate usage of frequency (Q11652) as a qualifier here Mariah Carey (Q41076) also. frequency (Q11652) is different from (P1889) frequency (Q762856) and if you want to use frequency (Q762856) as a qualifier, you have to propose the corresponding property. However, event interval (P2257) is designated as properties for this type (P1963) for recurring event (Q15275719), and I think that is enough for describing "frequency" of the event. --KAMEDA, Akihiro (talk) 15:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Hobbit SPARQL

When I came across the statement, an error message suggested it should go on the 'list of' item instead; that's the only reason I [re]moved it. Arlo Barnes (talk) 23:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Undo on Q3947

Hi,

Thank's for the undo on Q3947 : it's linked to an admin mistake I have made and undone on French wikipedia, but I forgot to clear this mess here. LD (talk) 23:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1607760169

really problematic – This is incomprehensible. What do you mean? I explained two months earlier in given talk page why the other way round the constraint itself is problematic. Also the constraint seems just unnecessary. There were no replies and so I removed it. User who added this constraint quite obviously just wasn't familiar with the subject matter. 2001:7D0:81C5:A580:9C05:23A0:5455:D21E 11:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Тила

Может нормально поясните, как их можно спутать? При любом поиске и выборе отображается именно описание, а не синонимы, в которые Вы пытаетесь впихнуть не синонимы, а уточнения в скобках. --MikSed (talk) 19:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@MikSed: ok, если омонимов немного и у всех есть описания, наверное, этого достаточно. Уточнения в скобках помогают, когда в выпадающем списке сложно выбрать нужный пункт из сотни похожих - достаточно начать вводить естественное пояснение (страну, тип НП, вышележащий регион и т.п.), как фильтр сработает. --Infovarius (talk) 13:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Stop reverting without checking

You've reverted my edit from Q856781 , probably without checking. That page is about Yangon Region. You reverted the flag of Yangon Region to the old flag relinquished in 2010.

The flags of most administrative divisions of Myanmar were wrongly depicted in Wiki. Me and other Wikipedians are trying to correct and update them. If you wanna know more, come join the discussion in en:Talk:List of Burmese flags#State and Region flags outdated and wrong. နေနီဝန်း (talk) 13:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@နေနီဝန်း: sorry, probably you are right about flags. But aren't my restored languages valid for this region? --Infovarius (talk) 13:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Q82794

Hi, Thanks for creating thousand of contraint violations like Q3413304#P649 by doing this [2]. Please fix them. Fralambert (talk) 11:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fralambert: sorry, I can't see a violation because User:Multichill has again restored wrong (in my opinion) value. Region is not object! Abstract can't be a subclass of concrete! --Infovarius (talk) 13:37, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Apophony and Indo-European Ablaut

Hi Infovarius, I recently moved a series of titles from apophany to Indo-European ablaut. You have reverted this. That was a mistake.

In your edit summary you write that apophony is the more general topic. That is true. More precisely, apophany is a general synchronic phenomenon found in many languages. Indo-European ablaut is a specific historical phenomenon which, in its synchronic aspect, can be viewed as an example of apophony, but to call the one a subset of the other is too simple: they are two topics that have an overlap.

But the point is, the articles I moved were dedicated to the Indo-European ablaut. They do not mention the more general synchronic phenomenon in other language groups, and most of them do mention the historical aspect which does not belong under apophony. Most of them are in fact translations of part of the article Indo-European Ablaut in the English Wikipedia. Therefore these articles do belong tagged under "Indo-European ablaut". You may notice that I moved each of these separately, not en bloc. That is because I took a lot of time to check them carefully, using Google Translate to read each one of them to be sure what it contains. That is the reason, for example, that I did not move Russian Аблаут, where your objection would have been correct. These moves were made carefully and thoughtfully.

If you check, you will find I have been one of the regular authors of both the English articles for 15 years, especially the IE Ablaut one, and have also edited the corresponding articles in the German and Dutch Wikis. In real life I teach university classes on this topic. So I am not flying in and changing something I don't understand.

I am going to move these back; please do not to re-revert without discussion.--Doric Loon (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Dear Doric Loon, I understand your moves but the most confusing thing is their titles: why not rename them with adding "Indo-European"? Because they describe not only Indo-European phenomenon, at least mention other families. I talk not only about ru-article, but also uk and be. --Infovarius (talk) 21:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Infovarius, yes, I basically agree with you. But first of all, I am not active on all these Wikis and don't want to start renaming articles on say the Greek Wiki when I don't have the language competence to discuss it with the other people working there. And second, the word Ablaut and its cognates have different semantic ranges in different languages. The word "ablaut" originally only meant Indo-European Ablaut, and in some languages like German it still does. But in English it has been borrowed by linguists working in other fields to have other meanings, so that English has to disambiguate where German doesn't. It might be confusing here at Wikidata where all the titles come together, but on the individual Wikis it is probably sensible and consistent. Anyway, I'm glad you understand why I reversed your edit. --Doric Loon (talk) 21:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Simple English ‘Targitaos’ page still links to Togarmah when clicking the full English version

I saw that you changed the language tags in wikidata to how it’s supposed to be, but the simple English page still thinks Togarmah is the full English version of the page. I don’t know how to fix that, can you do something about it? Thanks. 2600:1006:B029:6A70:AD68:8EE0:4D5A:3C61 10:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Probably it was some caching issue. I don't see any problem now in simple:Targitaos. --Infovarius (talk) 15:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Che Guevara

Hi, Infovarius. I'm opening a seccion to discuss your afirmation as mass murder. Kind regards.--Roblespepe (talk) 23:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Festival di Sanremo

Hello Infovarious. There's a contraint for such items. Item with "TV Programme" as instance doesn't want also "Country". Further the item you removed (about) is used by a template on it.wiki. -- Blackcat 20:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

honey (Q10987)

Hello! Your revert of my edit is incorrect. There is a correct statement P1343 Q20078554 P805 Q43399365. Cheers, Henry Merrivale (talk) 12:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC).

The subject is described by the first edition of GSE not by GSE Great Soviet Encyclopedia (Q234535).

@Henry Merrivale: Yes, you are right. Fixed. --Infovarius (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Вопрос по моей деятельности

Мне "жалко" элементы, которые слили в один, и если экземпляр содержал до слияния одну интервику и не содержат ссылок на себя, то я им даю "вторую жизнь" — переделываю на близкое понятие (например, было Категория:Храмы в Средиземье, стало Категория:Православные храмы в Средиземье). Собственно вопрос: как быстро меня за такое забанят? --Ыфь77 (talk) 11:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ыфь77: переиспользуете элемент? Современная практика это не рекомендует. С элементами категорий может и не быть ничего страшного, а вот с тематическими может случиться следующая проблема. Где-нибудь на внешнем ресурсе уже используется этот Qid и после замены его на перенаправление связь ещё как-то будет работать (или даст шанс ресурсу исправить на актуальный номер). А если вы поставите что-то другое на то место, то связь станет уже неверной по смыслу, т.е. вы создадите ошибку. --Infovarius (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Тогда всё плохо — я не буду создавать новые элементы, это моя принципиальная позиция в ВД. Для тематических я всё же стараюсь использовать элементы, на которые вероятность того, что успели сослаться, очень близка к нулю. Например: Q12833777, Q12830341, Q28016212 — мне нужны для метаклассов. --Ыфь77 (talk) 04:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Судя по всему, молчание — знак согласия. --Ыфь77 (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ыфь77: Нет. А что я могу сделать? Я сказал, что это неправильно. Создавайте новые элементы, если их меньше ста тысяч, то никто не будет против. А вот десятки переиспользованных заметят и поругают.

Q16390140 and Q241741

Wildlife and wild animals are the same thing, the English article wildlife is also about wild animals（not talk about plant）, so I think the articles in Q16390140 should be moved to Q241741--中文維基百科20021024 (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 中文維基百科20021024! Nevertheless English article wildlife mentions plants and others, and there are couples of articles in other languages too (fr, ru, uk, zh-min-nan). So we can't merge until we have them. Instead I would propose to think about Q241741=Q911871 (but there are duplicate articles too). --Infovarius (talk) 17:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Circle-referencing or...

Sorry but it confuses me, sometimes former countries have property "country" (the same as item), but sometimes not. I was thinking the former is circle-referencing, but if I'm wrong, restore it. --Orijentolog (talk) 19:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: Having P17=A for country "A" is a common practice. This is very logical for modern countries, but yes not so argueless for former. I suppose it's still logical because it was the same situation at the existence time as for modern countries. More arguable though is to have some modern country in P17 for former countries (I almost have no opinion about this), and I think located in the present-day administrative territorial entity (P3842) is a good substitute. 22:10, 24 мая 2022‎ Infovarius

Ah, thanks for clarification, and sorry for taking your time. --Orijentolog (talk) 20:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: so why did you remove "A P17 A"? What's your opinion? --Infovarius (talk) 21:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I just restored it back, thanks for reminding me. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

By the way, there's one issue related to Russia, and perhaps you may help. In past several months I was organizing architecture by century & by country, and you can see examples:

• Category:19th-century architecture in Italy (order)
• Category:19th-century architecture in Iran (order)
• Category:19th-century architecture in France (order)
• Category:19th-century architecture in Germany (order)
• Category:19th-century architecture in Russia (mess!)

Russia is messy because most buildings don't have infobox with Wikidata item, and even if they have it there's P31="building", therefore I can not understand building's function and properly categorize it. It would be great that someone (1) make Wikidata items for them & (2) put proper function, and if you can solve it then please do it. I'm not asking you to make it today, or tomorrow, it can be even in year or two, but I would like to see Russian architecture finally organized on Commons. :) --Orijentolog (talk) 21:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

archives (Q56648173)

Hi, you have reverted my editation (diff) in which I deleted statement subclass of (P279)collection (Q2668072). You wrote “in some sense, isn't it?” but I can not agree with you, because archives (Q56648173) is common term for fonds (Q3052382) (= aggregate with organic origin) and archival collection (Q9388534) (= aggregate produced artificially). Only archival collection (Q9388534) should have statement subclass of (P279)collection (Q2668072), because fonds (Q3052382) is not a collection, it was not collected, it is a result of organic activity. On the basis of these facts I am persuaded that this statement should not be there. --Albert Horáček (talk) 16:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

In need of help for Britannica ID

Hello! For Q2654450, I do not know how to add the Britannica ID properly. Could you help? Veverve (talk) 20:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I see you made it good. --Infovarius (talk) 10:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

From what I understand, it is not good as an alert states:

format constraint - The value for Encyclopædia Britannica Online ID (/topic/autonomous-church) should match the regex (topic<|place|event|science|technology|plant|animal|biography|sports|art)(/[^\s/]+)+.

Veverve (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

measurement as a speciality/academic major

You reverted the additions that I made to Q12453, but they were made because I was editing a person's item whose postgraduate degrees (academic major) were in "Measurement and Statistics". One can add academic major = statistics, but that only covers part of her studies. In order to include measurement as an academic major, I had to make the revisions that you reverted. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

About the "Homo sapiens" reversion

I'm going to merge two articles "Người" and "Người tinh khôn" on Vietnamese Wikipedia. I deleted the wikidata link because the "Homo sapiens/Người tinh khôn" article will become a redirection and not an article to be read. Billcipher123 (talk) 19:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Billcipher123. Redirect is not bad too and is allowed if the subject (title) is correct as in our case (yes?). --Infovarius (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

The map is not the territory

Hi,

I'm not sure to understand your change on map (Q4006) : Special:Diff/1607917153. Should it be reverted? As Korzybski famously sai, « The map is not the territory », it's a basic of semantic not to confuse them. VIGNERON (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure too :) Strange edit. --Infovarius (talk) 15:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Supermarionation

Regarding your edit to Supermarionation (Q609765); Supermarionation is not a stop-motion process. It's puppeteering: the "marion" part of "Supermarionation" is for "marionette"; a puppet controlled by wires or strings. You may be thinking of Ray Harryhausen's animation process, which was earlier, and definitely did use stop-motion animation, but was too labor-intensive for Gerry and Sylvia Anderson. But don't take my word for it; here's Gerry Anderson explaining the entire process, puppets, strings, and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7MU4PhDTN4 Unless you disagree strongly, I'm going to change the item back to remove the property again. The Anome (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Since you've not responded, I've removed the reference to stop-motion from the item. See above for reasoning/evidence. The Anome (talk) 11:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Re: what doubts? on administrative territories for Punjabi language

I have seen some skepticism as to whether it is appropriate to use the "administrative territory" property on language pages. Languages can be spoken in any territory, and there is no way to differentiate which territories belong on the list and which do not as far as I can tell. I had intended to replace it with something that shows which territories are ones in which a majority of people speak Punjabi, which ones have Punjabi as official status, and which ones have overlap with the region Punjabi is indigenous to, but I am not sure how to model that yet. I will try adding "object has role" for this on the administrative territory property, maybe that will be more stable. --Middle river exports (talk) 19:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

LyricsID

LyricsID is an identifier for songs and artists rather than languages, the property constraints throw an error/warning which is why I removed it from the Punjabi language item. Even if we did start linking LyricsID on languages it would be kind of pointless since the site doesn't have IDs that need decoding for language, they just use the common name like 'language/Punjabi'. If you wanted to have that information in Wikidata, you could even do that just by putting a formatter string for languages on the item for LyricsID without adding a property to each language.

It's already considered common practice to add language properties on Wikidata items for songs though, and there's likely to be languages LyricsID doesn't list which Wikidata doesn't specify. There's not many reasons why a data user would require the LyricsID property on a language --Middle river exports (talk) 21:25, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Витино

Доброе утро. Иерархия такая: страна - область - район - сельсовет. Так что Крым, пожалуйста, верните, а остальное, если есть желание, расписывайте. Можно во всей тысяче статей о крымских нп. Kosun (talk) 03:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Доброе. Да, иерархия такая + уровень Крыма (субъект или автономная республика, в зависимости от страны). А в чём проблема-то сейчас? По цепочке входит везде, куда надо. А дублировать отдельные или все более верхние уровни избыточно. --Infovarius (talk) 10:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Q7989762 and Q7096261

Hello,

The wikidata software forbids that two entities have the same label and the same description.

That is why I had to remove Категория:Епархии from Q7989762 to be able to add it to Q7144832. For the same reason, I removed Category:Administrative divisions of China from Q7096261 to be able to add it to Q6870461.

That fact that you can revert the removal is a bug in the Mediawiki software that leads to an inconsistent state. I have filed a bug report for it.

Best regards,

Vargenau (talk) 14:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, User:Vargenau. I quite understands this. Sometimes category items should have the same labels (like ordinary items) because of homonymy. As long as software allows to get them by reverting removal, I am using it. I don't know what's the ideal way to resolve this - probably with adding disambiguation in parentheses to labels? Sometimes I can't describe the label in other way and just add "1" or "2" to label. --Infovarius (talk) 10:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Vargenau: sometimes the problem arises from bots having changed manual labels to automatic (wrong) labels like User:Escarbot here. Some time ago User:ValterBot added similar problems. --Infovarius (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Кіровоградська область (Q180981)

Здравствуйте! Вы не могли бы разъяснить, почему откатили мои изменения? На мой взгляд, нелогично присваивать контактные данные территориям. Или я неправильно понимаю? Спасибо! Ivshyn (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ivshyn: ну это не совсем (или не только) территория, это всё-таки административная единица, т.е. организация, её представляет соотв. администрация. --Infovarius (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Считаю это не совсем верно, ведь область это пространственное административно-территориальное деление внутри страны и ее нельзя считать организацией или юридическим лицом. Равно как и то, что её (область) представляет соответсвующая администрация. Администрация это орган который имеет определенные полномочия и представляет интересы субъекта этих полномочий на этой территории. К тому же органов может быть несколько, в данном случае есть Государственная администрация и Областной совет, это два разных органа которые представляют интересы разных субъектов на территории этой области. Поэтому свойства Телефон и Имейл ошибочно добавлены в этот элемент. Ivshyn (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Административное деление это не совсем "пространственная область", это скорее умозрительный концепт. Но аргумент о нескольких органах я не могу опровергнуть. Думаю, неплохо бы обсудить этот вопрос (телефонов и емейлов) на общем чате, в разрезе всех стран, чтобы выработать единый подход. --Infovarius (talk) 20:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

"Иностранный агент"

Пожалуйста, не надо делать такие правки - diff. Во-первых, Q17071473 не является P793. Во-вторых, в Q18340732 уже было указано про "иностранного агента" в P31. Будьте внимательнее. RenatUK (talk) 11:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@RenatUK: соглашусь, что могут быть неточности в этом утверждении, будем считать это первым приближением (легче сначала все собрать, а потом одним махом переделать). Вы уверены, что P31 для этого лучше? Это бы лучше каким-то "статусом" или "определением суда" (кстати, почему это не "событие" - признание иноагентом?). И мне кажется, лучше Q18340732 заменить на более точное Q17071473. --Infovarius (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

V. Nuland

Dear Infovarius,

IMHO Victoria Nuland is never using her middle name Jane.--Taras Tschuprynka (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello! What Taras Tschuprynka says is correct. As a rule, the lemma of the German-language Wikipedia is taken as a description, see Help:Label/de. I see no reason to deviate from the rule here. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Dear Taras Tschuprynka, alias "Victoria Nudelman" looks like antisemitic attack and isn't backed by any source. @HarryNº2: notice the issue I was reverting (I am ok with middle name). --Infovarius (talk) 20:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Infovarius: Was it to me enter this slur? No, it wasn't.--Taras Tschuprynka (talk) 15:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Help with editing Russian Wikipedia template

Hi Infovarius! I'm part of the team working on cleaning up of (P642) and one of the parts of this task is cleaning up its usage on P2215 (P2215). To do this we created 2 new properties, declination component of proper motion (P10751) and right ascension component of proper motion (P10752). Before we can switch all of the usages of P2215 (P2215) to the new properties, we need to make sure the current templates will show data from the new properties, and then we will proceed to switch the data on Wikidata. One of these templates is on the Russian Wikipedia. Would you mind editing this template and adding parameters for declination (Q76287) and right ascension (Q13442) and then linking their Wikidata? I cannot do this because I do not have the editing permissions. I assume you do though. Thank you if you can! Lectrician1 (talk) 03:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lectrician1: I've edited the template. Who will change the data at Wikidata? --Infovarius (talk) 10:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Mahir256 will or I will. Lectrician1 (talk) 11:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Languages of the EU != Official languages of the EU

There are plenty of languages within the EU borders that are not official languages of the EU. So once again, you do not ask, you do not understand, but you are willing to revert everything anyways. Try asking next time first. Yupik (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@Yupik: sorry for such impression. At first I thought you were right, but then I found a couple of items. Look: item+cat for official, item+cat for all languages of EU. Is it OK for you? --Infovarius (talk) 05:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Your revert on Yugoslavia (Q36704)

Hello. I noticed you reverted my edit with the message "yes it was". This message doesn't tell me anything. Could you elaborate on why you reverted? Silver hr (talk) 04:49, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Since you haven't responded, I'll restore my edit. Silver hr (talk) 18:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Silver hr: hello. The thing is that every state (historical or not) item should have country (P17). --Infovarius (talk) 23:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Why do you think that? Also, what would a statement of the form [country]country (P17)[country] even mean? It seems meaningless to me. Silver hr (talk) 02:35, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Silver hr: well there are quite a lot of arguments about that, even at Property talk:P17. Probably there were also discussions at Project chat and even RfCs but I can't find them. The rationale imho is that each geographical (even historical) object should have state (i.e. P17). Moreover, as we at Wikidata keep also historical data, for historical beings there should be all states since its creation till nowadays (if there is one at specific time). --Infovarius (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I took a non-exhaustive look around, and I found the following:

1. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17/Archive#Add_a_self-link_to_sovereign_states? (24 July 2013)

   User:UV suggested this as a good idea, stating two reasons:

   1. solve the problem described at Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P605#"Item country (P17)" violations. If I understand correctly, the constraint that's violated is property constraint (P2302)item-requires-statement constraint (Q21503247)property (P2306)country (P17). It seems User:UV didn't consider that a constraint violation can be corrected by adding an exception for an item when appropriate, which it is in this case.
   2. it would also provide an elegant way to check whether an item describes a sovereign state. Discussions of elegance aside, the way to know whether an item describes a sovereign state (Q3624078) is to query for instance of (P31)sovereign state (Q3624078), because this is the statement which makes that claim, not any other.

   Two people agreed with User:UV, two didn't. No consensus.

2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17#Should_countries_have_statements_with_country:_themselves? (31 January 2015)

   User:DSGalaktos said that such statements seem redundant and not really reasonable to me. User:Jura1 replied If you read: "Q183 relates to the sovereign state 'Germany' ", this makes sense., to which User:VIGNERON replied Germany (Q183)country (P17)Germany (Q183) can be read as « Q183 relates to the sovereign state Q183 » or « 'Germany' relates to the sovereign state 'Germany' » but not « Q183 relates to the sovereign state 'Germany' », and I agree that User:Jura1's reasoning doesn't make sense. User:UV linked to the no-consensus discussion in point 1. Aside from that, User:Jklamo, User:Bever, User:Eldizzino, User:Waldir and User:Akeron all expressed disagreement with the practice.

3. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17#Should_countries_have_a_country?_(i.e._self_reference) (5 August 2017)

   User:99of9 asked the question and stated a preference for the practice in a further reply. User:Innocent_bystander replied To use P17 in that way is a good way to show that you have reached the top level. I do not know what this means; it appears to refer to a practice of following a chain of country (P17) statements and knowing that you've landed on a country when you encounter a statement of the form Xcountry (P17)X. If this is indeed what User:Innocent_bystander meant, you could just as well check for instance of (P31)country (Q6256) to know when you've landed on a country, because this is the statement which makes that claim, not any other.

4. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17#When_to_make_self-reference_for_country? (26 December 2018)

   User:VIGNERON asked the question and said I never understood why making a self-reference with country (P17) and even less when. User:Bever replied What's the use of such circular statements?.

From these discussions it seems clear that the practice has no consensus, in fact there is consensus against it. The reasoning its supporters have given has all been rebutted.

And I suppose it makes sense for geographical objects to have a country (P17) statement (even though I find it unclear what country (P17) means exactly; is it supposed to be "located in country"?), but you still haven't explained the use of an item having country (P17) to itself or what that means. Silver hr (talk) 02:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Q1411125

Hello, why this? --Mtarch11 (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

The category existed when I restored the link. --Infovarius (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Q16510064 sporting event

матч, игра, гейм are sporting events, but are not identical with sporting event, they are only a small parts of sporting events, so I would rather remove it there. Sporting event is everything, including swimming events, matches, games, multi-sports events. It's like saying an alias for Russia is Siberia. People then as logical consequence starting to merge Russia and Siberia, like it was here done. Game and sporting event were merged, and this was non sense. Florentyna (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I understand you, Florentyna and probably it's ok for гейм (specifically only for tennis). But матч and игра are quite and very general, so they have almost the same coverage of notion. I would keep it as synonyms. --Infovarius (talk) 21:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I guess you are thinking mostly on ball sports and similar like ice hockey, but there are much more sports, where матч and игра are not applicable: nearly all swimming, diving, climbing, motorsport, boardsport, athletucs, gymnastics, fencing, riding, cycling, winter sport, kayaking, rowing, orienteering‎, powerlifting events and and and... are not a матч or игра, but a sporting event. --Florentyna (talk) 05:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

commons:Category:Commons

I got an email alert for your revert of Pi bot, thanks for the edits at [3]. Is there a good way to replace this with a valid Wikidata item, to provide context for the category, and so this won't reoccur in the future? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mike. If you mean Category:Commons then I moved it to Category:Wikimedia Commons (Q7473289) where it roughly fits. By the way, I fail clearly distinguish this category from commons:Category:Wikimedia Commons... If you mean the brewery, then there can't be a commons category because there is only 1 file yet. --Infovarius (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

nymph (Q258362)

Why you revert my edit in nymph (Q258362)? Nymph means not "昆虫、クモ類、多足類(ムカデ類は除く)など陸生節足動物の幼生の総称" but "不完全変態を行う昆虫の幼虫". ([4]) Do you understand Japanese? 2001:268:C20E:C285:8D72:3188:63AC:DE50 01:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I don't understand Japanese. I've done a little investigation and understood that Google Translate made me mistake, I am sorry. --Infovarius (talk) 21:23, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Label duplication in statements

To clarify why I did this on the Tethys Ocean item:

• The label has a reference, and the reference should be linked. This can only be done with a statement.
• There are additional labels which may be derived from that name reference.

This is no different from statements like "taxon common name," "title," "native label," etc. we just do not have "ocean common name" and a prehistoric ocean doesn't have a native language (that evidence of this prehistoric ocean may be found in Pakistan is notable though, hence it having an Urdu name). Middle river exports (talk) 20:18, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Middle river exports: hello, I understand all this, yes. Just a little weird that Earth prehistoric entity has only Urdu (official?) name. A little bit bad modelling. --Infovarius (talk) 21:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

If it would help, I could add some additional labels. With situations like this it is a bit unusual because if a prehistoric entity is discovered, it will get a "Latin" scientific name, but if a prehistoric entity is discovered or has evidence in say Pakistan or China, it has a local name as well. There is less of a need for this in say America where they just copy the Latin name as the local name. Middle river exports (talk) 21:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Actually, there is another piece to this. There are really two names for this prehistoric ocean:

• Tethys ("Latin" name which comes from Greek). In most languages, there is just a respelling of this name for example تتیس is just Tethys spelled in Persian.
• ختم ہوتے (Urdu name pronounced "Jatam Hoti," literally meaning something along the lines of "the sea that ended")

So Urdu really does just have a different name for this prehistoric entity that would require a reference. If you like, I could add the Greek spelling of Tethys since this is where the other name comes from. There is no "ocean common name" though, so I think "name" is fine for this. Many of the Tethys Ocean fossils, like Basilosaurus, are found in Pakistan, so it is not that weird in context. Middle river exports (talk) 21:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I have now redone this in a new way. I added the Greek spelling and Urdu name, and moved "named" after to the Greek one sp we don't have to say "named after Tethys in every language except Urdu." I have set named after to unknown value until I find a source explaining specifically, since the words used to form it can have multiple meanings. Middle river exports (talk) 21:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Jahwe / JHWH

Jahwe is the item describing God. JHWH is the item describing His name. Keep these distinct! Vollbracht (talk) 20:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC) It seems awkward to call JHWH His "family name". It's His theonym. But theonym is no property (yet). --Vollbracht (talk) 20:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Vollbracht: that's what I've done, yes. Yahweh (Q766677) is just a theonim, Jehovah (Q3678579) and this is awkward to call Tetragrammaton (Q105173) a "family name". --Infovarius (talk) 12:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

No! If you have a car manufacturer, it usually will have a name. Let's say some guy named Henry Ford has a bucket full of money and the idea to invent a Tin Lissy. Some 200 years later there's a problem and they have to sell everything. So probably VW will buy it but they're interested in some production lines and patents only. The name "Ford" is sold to a Chinese investor who now is entitled to sell a "Ford Tien" driven by salted dogs. We see: there's a name and an entity (car manufacturer) that has this name. How do we call this entity? Most people will call this manufacturer by its name. Still the name is not the manufacturer.

There's an entity called Jahwe , God, Jehova, The Allmighty, or what ever. Some say, this is a God (as I do). Some say, this is an idea of man (as I did in my 2nd decade). Some say, both of these sentences are equivalent (as we probably should design it). Some oppose (which wouldn't change anything for the design then). But anyhow, there is an item in Wikidata describing it. This is Yahweh (Q766677). Of course "Jahwe", or any other way to call this entity could be described as theonyms. However this item doesn't describe the theonyms but the entity itself. This is, why this item has the property instance of (P31) with the value deity (Q178885). But if it has, there is no possibility that it might have the value names of God in Judaism (Q821090) for instance of (P31) at the same time. Tetragrammaton (Q105173) is a name. It's the name of this very God. So we should describe this fact. Tetragrammaton (Q105173) is the theonym of Yahweh (Q766677). These are the facts.

Now there's a problem: We do have an item theonym (Q12160552) but no property to connect Tetragrammaton (Q105173) with Yahweh (Q766677). So how solve this? family name (P734) is a bad solution, I know. Give a better one! Vollbracht (talk) 14:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Vollbracht: if we consider the entity about God in Christianity/Judaism why do you choose Q766677? There are better suited items like God in Judaism (Q2155501), God in Christianity (Q825) or God (Q190). That's why I consider Yahweh (Q766677), Jehovah (Q3678579), Sabaoth (Q1657271) and even Allah (Q234801) just as theonyms. --Infovarius (talk) 10:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Why did I?

1. See the descriptions.
2. "Jahwe" in fact is no theonym on its own but would be just a transcription of "JHWH"

(So it was not me deciding this way. I just insist on steadying this.)

Why not God in Judaism (Q2155501) or God in Christianity (Q825)?

See descriptions: These are concepts and result of scientific research, hence they fit into mans mind and are object of man's decision.

Why not God (Q190)?

See description: This is a category. Even Moses (Q9077) has been set to be God (Q190) in relation to the pharaoh (Q37110) that had to suffer the plagues (all sentenced by Yahweh (Q766677)). Vollbracht (talk) 11:57, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Explanations re: recent reversions / edits

For clarity, I can explain my changes since there is a specific reason for each of them:

• There is supposed to be one "main topic" item per Wikimedia category item. Category:Numerals (Q5656164) already has main topic numeral (Q63116), and a link to this category on Russian Wikitonary. Q62099050 and Q62101750 are both linked to more specific categories on the Russian Wiktionary and should be linked to a more specific item than just numeral which reflects the purpose of these different categories. You may have to create new items for this, I am not sure.

• On item languoid class (Q28923954), this represents a class of items on Wikidata rather than the concept of language itself. Linguists study languoid (Q17376908) as in the group which includes language, dialects, etc. Disputed + deprecated is fine if it avoids confusion, I only removed the statement because it is kind of weird to have a "Wikidata metaclass" item have a studied by statement anyway.

Middle river exports (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Middle river exports:

1) the problem is that we can't choose one category for this "main topic". Both categories are categories about numerals but in different way (one is terms about numerals, the other contains numerals).

2) do you think linguists can't study metaclasses? Infovarius (talk) 12:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

To 1) I would recommend creating a new item for terms about numerals. You can then also change the subclassed item to that on items like names of numbers in Spanish (Q3252162). For 2) no, linguists are primarily concerned with language, not how wikidata models language. we could say ontologists study metaclasses but even then Wikidata metaclasses are not a primary topic of concern for them Middle river exports (talk) 13:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Q7521081

Hello Infovarius!

If you enter a value, please also make sure that no error is displayed. Best regards, --HarryNº2 (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@HarryNº2: so the problem is unique constraint? I believe it makes litle sense (we can't say if the surname is an analogue of male or female name). So I would propose to add an exception or to remove such constraint. --Infovarius (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

[5]

Because these two are already present in Q5156940 and Q72073013. What's more, in the future all has part(s) (P527) will be probably deleted in all items about chemicals except classes like Q5156940. And apart from the above, this whole system will have to be fixed, because something cannot be composed of a chemical element, only of atoms of that element. Wostr (talk) 18:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Wostr: As for superclasses, your argument is good. But having P527 in each item eases querying. As for your last sentence, I would consider current system as a good (and easy to use and understand) approximation of philosophically and ontologically correct model. So why to make it more complicated? --Infovarius (talk) 10:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Austria-Hungary

Hello Infovarius! reverse: Hungary was already an existing entity at that time (founded in 1000), but there was no such citizenship as Austro-Hungarian. This entity consisted of two countries and had one king: Hungary and Austria. The citizens were also linked to these two countries: there were Hungarian and Austrian citizens. I noticed years ago that the Russian Wikipedia incorrectly indicates this, but it is still true: there was no such citizenship as "Austro-Hungarian". (I can find you a Hungarian-language legal source, but I don't think it will help.) Pallor (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC) Ps. see also: country of citizenship (P27) "property constraint" / "none-of constraint"

secrecy (Q1503443): Tamil name

Hi Infovarius,

I think the Tamil name is still justified through Wikiquote. Maybe autoEdit could be fixed? Käpt'n Knips (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Request for autoEdit

Dear Info,

may you please run autoEdit on voicelessness (Q113994692)? Do you know how to whitelist https://intake-logging.wikimedia.org/v1/events to make it work? Nxeekerinsuukoksi (talk) 09:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Nxeekerinsuukoksi: 1) I've done something, please look if it is what you mean. 2) Probably ask at WD:AN. --Infovarius (talk) 20:31, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

P110 on a planet

Hi, relatively to this: it's a nonsense to have attendence to a planet, because it's not an event. Maybe you want to indicate the number of inhabitants? Ruthven (talk) 13:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I mean number of visitors (i.e. spacemen in our case). Why is this property wrong? Should we change its constraints? --Infovarius (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Re: wwwyzzerdd

Hi, I noticed that you are a user of my browser extension wwwyzzerdd. I am considering applying for a Wikimedia grant to further its development (for one thing it needs to be rewritten to be compatible with manifest v3 before the 2023 deadline). As part of that I'm contacting some users to get some feedback. If you have some time I would appreciate if you could tell me:

• How do you find the extension? Is it useful to your work?
• What features / functionality would you like added? Are there bugs that you'd like fixed?
• What browser/OS do you use?

Thanks, any feedback is appreciated. BrokenSegue (talk) 03:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@BrokenSegue: thanks for the extension! It is extremely useful! I am using it for both analysing item completeness and for adding a new information. As for bugs, sometimes pop-down list is not appearing (but I can't describe when and how). I am using Firefox at Windows 10 and Windows 7. As for new features, the possibility of main link change would be useful (sometimes text of the link is appropriate but it leads to some redirect or more broader notion, but I want to connect to exact wording and it is impossible). --Infovarius (talk) 12:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Update about wikidata-complete-gadget

Hi @Infovarius We have received a notification from your diff, regarding failure of Wikidata-complete-gadget link-to-diff .

So we thought about sharing an update with you that it is fixed now and working fine on our side. Thanks :) Data-Complete-Gadget (talk) 14:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Data-Complete-Gadget: thank you very much for your reaction! But I don't see that the problem is solved: 1) when I turn on your script; my "related items" disappears; 2) "Go to entity with statements to approve" doesn't redirect to some useful item too (or I can't see a feature). --Infovarius (talk) 17:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Merging Q112388570 to Q112388570

What you have done is wrong. You merged neutrally named wiki item Double Cross of the Jagiellonian dynasty into one of the names Bojcha. The Bojhca should have been merged to the Double Cross of the Jagiellonian dynasty instead to ensure neutral naming. Word Bojhca is UNKNOWN in the Lithuanian language and nobody call the Order of the Cross of Vytis as Order of the Cross of Bojhca. Please remake the merging process. Pofka (talk) 19:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pofka: I've just merged newer item into an older one. I don't care which wording should be primary label and which should go to aliases (as long nothing is lost). You are free to interchange label and aliases if you are sure. --Infovarius (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Solution

Hello Infovarius,

I am not happy with your merging of Q114401034 and Q1879813. The second one, as can be seen from the entry of the linked item on the German Wikipedia (and also about the Wikidata-links to it so far), is about a solution for a mathematical equation, a function which solves a differential equation or a solution (number tuple) for a diophantine equation. The first one means a solution to a mathematical exercise (in a textbook or in a course) as you would expect in an exam. So these have a completely different semantic. Greetings. Bocardodarapti (talk) 08:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bocardodarapti: Ok, I am almost convinced. De-merged. --Infovarius (talk) 07:00, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks, that it very reasonable and nice of you. Bocardodarapti (talk) 06:11, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Historical Jesus

Humphreys is not a historian, thus not an expert in that field. He cannot speak in the name of Bible scholars, since he never was one of them. His paper is fringe. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

elements versus simple substances

I saw you reverted a change sodium (Q658). I removed the instance of simple substance (Q2512777) because simple substances of elements are modelled as allotropes in Wikidata (for multiple other elements). Can you explain the ideas behind why you reverted my patch? --Egon Willighagen (talk) 05:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Egon Willighagen: I quite understand they are different. But I didn't find an item for a substance and decided to keep this P31 in Q658 while there is no appropriate item. --Infovarius (talk) 07:02, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I will split the items today. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 07:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Done: sodium (Q114850397). --Egon Willighagen (talk) 07:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiktionary?

Hello Infovarius, I hope you are doing well 🙂 I see you just reverted an edit I made removing wikt:Category:en:Donald Trump from the Donald Trump page. I edit mainly on Wikipedia but I'm trying to learn more about Wikidata, and I don't understand the reason this was reverted. I'm not objecting to it, I just don't understand, and I was hoping I could further ask what you meant with your edit description "not category here". Thanks! Johnson524 (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

mash (Q20073904): Braga = Boza?

Hi Infovarius,

I'm a little uneasy that be:Брага_(напой) only uses the Belarusian Encyclopedia as source for the drink from the Balkans. Do you know any translation of Braga into any of the languages where the people are supposed to drink it?

I suspect that they mean boza (Q744983).-- המתנדב הלא נכון (talk) 11:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

It's difficult to separate. I suspect there's some continuum spectrum between mash (Q20073904) and boza (Q744983) so sometimes we can't exactly tell one from another... --Infovarius (talk) 10:41, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Mash in the Japanese language

The Japanese use the word ja:もろみ (Moromi) for the intermediate stuff in the production of Sake and Soy sauce. By Western words this would be called mash. Shall I merge it?-- User:המתנדב הלא נכון (talk) 11:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@המתנדב הלא נכון: which "mash" do you want to merge into? --Infovarius (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Quick note on Q17233

Thanks for your edits to Q17233.

Ummm.... isn't SPI and RCU basically identical? A request for checkuser can only be done in accordance with the Wikimedia Checkuser Policy; that is it can only be done in a limited set of circumstances. That also defines when an SPI or an RCU can be opened. Aasim (talk) 13:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, it makes little sense that a topic's category only has one language. I found a much broader category for this category. I am not opposed to having a historical "RCU" item for projects that used to have it named that, but I want to make sure projects like English Wikipedia can clearly see that it is also present in many more projects than currently listed with split items. Aasim (talk) 13:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim: 1) you know, Wikidata tends to model things very carefully and thoroughly. So don't you think that policy and requests page are different things? 2) sometimes sitelinks linking can be done separately of items modelling (just to make interwiki-linking) but imho it's ignoring the modelling. Instead we can use manual (or through template) interwikis at wiki-pages to add needed linking but keeping sitelinks at their logical item. Infovarius (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I'm not mainly editing on wikidata, but I'm trying to do right things. I hope you can understand that "Eunuch" is a sort of "official" and so-called "Eunuch official" makes no sense. Also, if you suggest that I cannot change the title or description of a wikidata page, please tell me why. Thank you. Zhxy 519 (talk) 04:01, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Zhxy 519. The main idea is to have items as stable as possible. Here we should decide what to do with Q179294, Q24841818, Q106592514. Actually I don't understand Chinese languages and I don't insists on this understanding. Please help me understand. E.g. there are 3 articles: zh:太監 (官名), zh:閹人 and zh:宦官. What is relation between them? --Infovarius (talk) 09:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Accordingly we should have 3 categories (now 2 of them merged which is wrong modelling). --Infovarius (talk) 10:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Infovarius and Zhxy 519 Pardon, zh:閹人 is currently a Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), so unfortunatelly it can't be linked to any one of the 3 items you both mentioned here, it has to have their own item (hence I created Q115722043), hopefully there may have another lower Q-numbered item this could be merged with, see also WD:DAB. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:04, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

By reading the leading texts, it seems that for good reasons "太監" aren't always "eunuchs (宦官)", the "太監" was firstly founded in Northern Wei (Q875305) era to which it's an official title for women, later in Tang dynasty (Q9683) its usage had extended to every officials regareless of gender, in Song dynasty (Q7462) its usage was re-limited to women, then Liao dynasty (Q4958) it's re-extended to every. The reason why some people feel that "太監" may be same as "宦官" seems to be somewhat an event happened during Ming dynasty (Q9903) era, which made an opposite limitation for the word "太監", so different from Q875305 and Q7462, its usages had limited to men (and later only for the castered men) officials, this exotic limitation occured until the breakdown of Qing Dynasty (Q8733) and the found of Republic of China (Q13426199). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Indian hijras, castrato singers and religious Eunuch are usually not public officials. See en:Eunuch. Sharouser (talk) 07:44, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Motifs and the things featured/represented

Hi Infovarius, I disagree with using main subject (P921) to indicate things featured or represented in a motif (a motif is not really "about" this thing). I suggest to use depicts (P180) instead (see spider as creator (Q111812935), for instance). motif represents (P6875) can be used when the Motif as a whole represents this concept (e.g. world-tree (Q111807857).

I also disagree that creator (Q111806094) is about or features the "mundane" creator (creator (Q2500638)). It is also much broader than demiurge (Q183488). The closest concept is actually creator deity (Q635155) - even though creator (Q111806094) does also include things not thought of as deities in the respective culture (e.g. in the case of animals seen as creators). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with using depicts (P180). The second proposal is more difficulat for me to decide, so I rely on you. --Infovarius (talk) 09:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Picasso

Thank you for this rollback. The problem is with an Italian anonymous that has been making semi-random edits since many years. I'm trying to rollback these edits basing on the most critical properties that it uses, but I'm also meeting some false positive. I will try to refine my semi-automatic search. Horcrux (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear Infovarius

@Infovarius:, You don't understand Bengali language then why do you change this, the description was not fully given, but the item is not different, যৌন প্রবেশক্রিয়া is the translated article of Sexual penetration and যৌন অনুপ্রবেশ (which you give) is the redirect to যৌন প্রবেশক্রিয়া; penetration means in Bengali প্রবেশকার্য or প্রবেশক্রিয়া, google translation is not always correct. Now the description been fully given; the Bengali description before the current description was (which you give) 'In English' - 'Means the use of something in the vagina', sexual penetration is not always about vaginal penetration, it may anal penetration too, so now the description is saying 'Means inserting something into the vagina or anus'; and it doesn't mean that sexual penetration means only penile penetration (insertion of penis), it can indicate inserting finger or hand also as you have given a picture of a woman who is inserting her hand into her vagina which is called Fisting, I am talking about this photo. 119.30.41.49 04:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I confess that I can't read Bengali, but GT quite helps here. So the description was not exact (and I got it), now it is more correct, thank you. Together we've came to a better situation :) --Infovarius (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Coordinate accuracy concerns

Your revert of my coordinates on Tashkent (Q269) on the grounds of there being no need for such accuracy is, I believe, misguided. In the case of cities, they nearly always have a city center that all the locals and OpenStreetMap (Q936) agree upon, sometimes marked by a kilometer zero (Q329477). Also, cities today are quite large and so might not need a great deal of accuracy to drop a pin on them, but Wikidata items cover the entire history of the city, including the time when they were a small fort or outpost. Not surprisingly, those sites are often the current city centers. In another example, suppose an editor on Wikipedia (hint: me) puts 32.08°N 34.78°E as the not-so-accurate coordinates for Tel Aviv-Yafo (Q33935). Wikidata forces those to display as 32°4'48"N, 34°46'48"E which only appear to be more precise. Abductive (talk) 08:32, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the edit to @ (Q10714)

Hi, I noticed you reverted my edits to @ (Q10714). I realize it may have seen like an unexplained removal. The reason I removed those statements is that I marked @ (Q87496155), ﹫ (Q87544199) and ＠ (Q87544599) as facet of (P1269)@ (Q10714). Ideally there should be an inverse property of facet of (P1269), so the relationship could be reflected also in the parent page. In some cases, like tilde (Q11167), this has been done with depicted by (P1299); I'm not convinced that that's a good way to model the relationship, but I suppose it's better than nothing. WDYT? Waldyrious (talk) 22:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Waldyrious: But these edits are not about character items, they are about character values... Aren't these values not relevant for @ (Q10714)? --Infovarius (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

motion picture credits (Q4458345) and motion picture credits (Q20820424)

Thanks for reverting my merge. I misunderstood them because of the linked en:Motion picture credits which you thankfully moved from Q4458345 to Q20820424 now. Therefore, I want to rename motion picture credits (Q20820424) to “motion picture credits”. But I am unsure how motion picture credits (Q4458345) should be named. Maybe “motion picture inscriptions”? Some of the linked Wikipedia articles like ru:Титры are even covering “titles” in theater. Do you have a suggestion? 2A01:C22:A5FB:7D00:6EBD:A02:58D3:394E 03:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

You are right about theater, but probably at present it mostly used in movies though. Its sense is like "inscriptions in visual works", I don't know how to express it in English better. --Infovarius (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

About your revert

Please don't revert my edit. The interwiki link of en:Early modern human now points to vi:Người (equivalent to en:Human), instead of the supposed vi:Người hiện đại sơ khai. On viwiki, The original vi:Người tinh khôn had been redirected to vi:Người. Billcipher123 (talk) 08:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@Infovarius Since there's no argument from you. I will undo your revert Billcipher123 (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Billcipher123. Ok, I see that vi:người hiện đại về mặt giải phẫu should be with en:Anatomically modern human (though both redirects) and en:Early modern human with vi:Người hiện đại sơ khai, yes? The problem is that en:Early modern human is not quite in a right item. Q15978631 is "Homo sapiens" so it should be connected with vi:Người tinh khôn, looks logical? And en:Early modern human with vi:Người hiện đại sơ khai can go to another (a new?) item. --Infovarius (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I've done what I could. Please check. --Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated response. I have checked your fixes and the interwiki links seem good. Many thanks for your help! :)) Billcipher123 (talk) 02:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

New

I corrected the divorce date of Lisa Marie that have been sourced to Wikipedia. [6] Aaron106 (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

«Анастасия» (Q781387)

Я перенес русскоязычную статью к статье с большим количеством интервик на ту же тему. В чем проблема? Drakosh (talk) 09:08, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Проблема в том, что вы унесли русскую статью в нерусское имя... --Infovarius (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Subclass relation

Thank you for correcting me here! I want to get better at Wikidata, and will try to find some help-pages regarding this. Thanks again! Regards Vasmar1 (talk) 12:47, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Подпорожье

Добрый день! Извиняюсь, если моя правка оказалась ошибочной, но, насколько я понимаю, на этой странице собрана информация о маленьком городе Подпорожье с населением ~16 тысяч человек и площадью 30 квадратных километров (вот площадь, измеренная на яндекс.картах). Площадь в 2025 километров вводит людей в заблуждение потому что относится не к городу а к Подпорожскому городскому поселению, которое было создано в 2006 году и включает в себя сам город и окрестные деревни. Прошу вернуть правку обратно. Byte916 (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Byte916: извините, моя вина, почему-то не поверил в это число. --Infovarius (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2023 (UTC)