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- See property creation policy.
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Wikibase lexeme
[edit]Duden node ID
[edit]| Description | numeric identifier of an entry in the Duden |
|---|---|
| Represents | lexeme (Q111352) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | lexeme |
| Allowed values | [1-9][0-9]{2,} |
| Example 1 | zwischen (L302428) → 213628 |
| Example 2 | Wikipedia (L221977) → 205799 |
| Example 3 | Luftballon (L99) → 91371 |
| Source | https://www.duden.de/ |
| Planned use | add to existing German lexemes (and perhaps replace P8376 on those lexemes?) |
| Number of IDs in source | current very loose upper-bound estimate: 399,000 (on seeing node '399770' for the word '2G-Regel' and on finding '569' to be the lowest node for '24-Sekunden-Regel') |
| Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
| Formatter URL | https://www.duden.de/node/$1 |
| See also | Duden lexeme ID (P8376), Duden sense ID (P12641) |
Motivation
[edit]This property is intended as a substitute for (not as something to coexist with) P8376, mainly to avoid needing to deal with multiple values being present on a lexeme due to URL changes. It would provide a unique and hopefully little more stable identifier for entries in the most trusted German dictionary.
The value for this property can be found both below the heading, when clicking "Als Quelle verwenden" (the quotation mark) and noting the value between 'node' and 'revision' within the URL, and in multiple parts within the <head> element as part of an image URL (presumably used in link previews): https://www.duden.de/og-image/569.png is the image for '24-Sekunden-Regel' and https://cdn.duden.de/lexem_images/399770.png that for '2G-Regel'.
(Regarding value stability: when looking at the earliest captures of the formatter URL's prefix, the values prior to April 2019 all had values greater than 1000000 (except for '10' and '1220') and all pointed to non-entries. Those captured after April 2019, which appear uniformly to be within the range of IDs given above, still resolve to the same entries five years later—Panamaer (L931866) from 1 May 2019, Remix (L761972) from 30 April 2019, and Neger (L804760) from 26 April 2019.)
(I have begun an index of these values and will slowly add them to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন) once this property is created. I would be open to performing the necessary substitutions of P8376 myself as well.) Mahir256 (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
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Support Hmm, do we want to plan to replace the other ID with this one? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)- If you want to add this in addition to the existing property, fine, but I would be opposed to replacing the existing property with this one:
- It's not what people actually use for linking (global search for "duden.de/node/" finds just 122 results, versus more than the limit of 10,000 for "duden.de/rechtschreibung/"), so only having the node ID would make our data difficult to compare with what other places have.
- The node IDs are not very easy to find or use. I had trouble finding it even when I knew it should be on the page somewhere, it can only be accessed by clicking certain things and following the link redirects to a page without the node ID in the URL, which makes it hard to tell whether a particular link is for a particular entry or not. Both of those points make it more likely that people will add the wrong values to the property.
- A lexeme doesn't have a single current node ID: An entry typically has multiple pages (definition page, synonyms page, inflections page) and each page has its own node ID which has no obvious connection to the other pages for that entry, e.g. https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Hund is 68862, https://www.duden.de/deklination/substantive/Hund is 385837 and https://www.duden.de/synonyme/Hund is 251193.
- The node IDs appear to be less stable than the normal URLs: In my experience, the normal URLs are pretty stable. The changes I've seen all seem to come from them recently simplifying the ones with multiple disambiguation parts (now they only include one), but the previous values redirect to the new values. (Much like how a merge on Wikidata results in the previous ID redirecting to the new ID). I looked at one page where the URL changed and immediately found that https://web.archive.org/web/20110627114010/http://www.duden.de:80/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "http://www.duden.de/zitieren/10020253/1.5", https://web.archive.org/web/20151013073540/http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "http://www.duden.de/node/651609/permalink?destination=node/651609" and https://web.archive.org/web/20220517054827/https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "https://www.duden.de/node/18218/revision/496432". Both the "zitieren" link and previous "node" link are 404s, while the original URL from 2011 still works now.
- If you want a single value for the current property, you should be using best ranked statements. If a lexeme has multiple best ranked statements, then either one now redirects and the other hasn't been set to preferred rank, or someone has conflated two entries.
- - Nikki (talk) 02:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Mahir256:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Nikki:. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 18:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose maybe instead, we should have a seperate Drupal node id property (analogous to MediaWiki page ID (P9675)). Duden has little incentive to keep node ids stable, they have on the other hand a strong incentive to keep the slug stable for SEO reasons. If it comes to a redesign, nobody is going to care about node ids. This happened before in the past: Archiv, das at some point had the node id 704401which today is dead. the current node id for Archiv, das is8452–Shisma (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)- also note: that all pages in this drupal have a node id, not just lexemes. For instance
- that's not an argument agains having this property but it might throw off your estimation of Number of IDs in source – Shisma (talk) 11:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Withdrawn per the comments from Nikki and Shisma. Mahir256 (talk) 02:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
DAKA Greenlandic-Danish Dictionary ID
[edit]| Description | entry for a Greenlandic lexeme in the online DAKA dictionary |
|---|---|
| Represents | DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Example 1 | lu (L1328047) 7044 |
| Example 2 | aaveq (L1328076) 369 |
| Example 3 | angivoq (L1327975)} 1387 |
| Formatter URL | https://iserasuaat.gl/daka/daka?f=lo&l=0&p=$1 |
| Applicable "stated in"-value | DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971) |
Motivation
[edit]DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971) is one of the more popular general purpose Greenlandic dictionaries, and includes some entries for some lexical items not covered by the other proposed properties. -عُثمان (talk) 11:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Support, is there anyone working on Greenlandic that we could ping? VIGNERON (talk) 09:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support As far as I can see there should be two external identifiers: This proposal only covers Greenlandic, while another URL pattern https://iserasuaat.gl/daka/daka?f=lo&l=1&p=$1 (with "l=1") would be needed for Danish (Q9035). For instance, https://iserasuaat.gl/daka/daka?f=lo&l=1&p=1 is the Danish word a (L54603). I do not think that there is anyone working with Greenlandic. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 18:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Fnielsen Yes, the separate property for the Danish entries was proposed and now already created DAKA Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary ID (P12828) عُثمان (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Farhang-i forsī ba rusī ID
[edit]| Description | entry for a Persian lexeme in the farhang.ru online reproduction of Yuri Rubinchik’s Persian–Russian dictionary |
|---|---|
| Represents | no label (Q126368177) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Example 1 | نارنجستان/норинҷистон (L1186957) 6ade71dac83141ea9f264a989c62b0d6 |
| Example 2 | جنبششناسی/ҷунбишшиносӣ (L1003235) 09a68ee65e0f4aa5a8f7c15b5684ff3a |
| Example 3 | کاتابولیسم/котобулисм (L1254011)} 5e0461b9ea134ebe82c5cf436dcaa0f6 |
| Formatter URL | https://farhang.ru/lexeme/$1.html |
| Applicable "stated in"-value | no label (Q126368177) |
Motivation
[edit]Q126368177 is a digital reproduction of Yuri Rubinchik’s Persian–Russian dictionary. It contains entries for some items which do not have entries in the other three Persian dictionary properties we currently have (such as the first example here, for example). -عُثمان (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- May be of interest to @Darafsh: @Farorud: -عُثمان (talk) 11:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Brezhoneg21 ID
[edit]| Description | identifier in the Breton dictionary of sciences and techniques (Brezhoneg21) |
|---|---|
| Represents | no label (Q106465415) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | lexeme |
| Example 1 | ki (L69) → ki |
| Example 2 | lagad (L114) → lagad |
| Example 3 | semikonduer (L1220448) → semi-konduer |
| Example 4 | diodenn (L1220450) → diodenn |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| Formatter URL | https://www.brezhoneg21.com/geriadurBG.php?brezhoneg=$1 |
Motivation
[edit]The Breton dictionary of sciences and techniques (in short Brezhoneg21, Q106465415, created by Q25564665) is a well-know Breton dictionary. It contains some unique and specific vocabulary around sciences and techniques (among other things, it was made for teaching in schools), as such, it would be veyr valuable for lexemes.
Cheers/A galon, VIGNERON (talk) 10:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Support -عُثمان (talk) 11:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Luca.favorido (talk) 05:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Devri ID
[edit]| Description | identifier in the Breton diachronic dictionary Devri |
|---|---|
| Represents | Devri (Q29353382) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | lexeme |
| Example 1 | ki (L69) → k/ki-1/ |
| Example 2 | lagad (L114) → l/lagad/ |
| Example 3 | marc'h-treut (L743333) → m/marc_h-treut/ |
| Example 4 | devri (L1329460) → d/devri/ |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| Formatter URL | http://devri.bzh/dictionnaire/$1 |
Motivation
[edit]The Breton diachronic dictionary Devri (Devri (Q29353382), created by Martial Ménard (Q3295265) in 2016) is a well-know and quite exhaustive Breton historical dictionary. It contains some unique and specific historic vocabulary valuable for Lexemes.
Cheers/A galon, VIGNERON (talk) 07:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Wikibase form
[edit]Wikibase sense
[edit]SALDO sense ID
[edit]| Description | identifier for a sense in SALDO |
|---|---|
| Represents | SALDO (Q82799152) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | sense |
| Allowed values | /A-Za-zäöå.-_0-9/ |
| Example 1 | L32192-S1→ordbok..1 |
| Example 2 | L47698-S1→pass..1 |
| Example 3 | L39238-S1→galen..1 |
| Source | https://github.com/dpriskorn/LexSALDO |
| Number of IDs in source | 130000 |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| Formatter URL | https://spraakbanken.gu.se/ws/saldo-ws/lid/html/$1 |
| Single-value constraint | yes |
Motivation
[edit]This is an important identifier for senses in Swedish.
Discussion
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Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 18:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)