Wikidata:Property proposal/media franchise

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media franchise[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Descriptionthis creative work belongs to this media franchise
Representsmedia franchise (Q196600)
Data typeItem
Domaincreative work (Q17537576)
Allowed valuesmedia franchise (Q196600)
Example 1Super Mario Bros. (Q11168) → Mario (Q4803535)
Example 2Super Mario Bros. (Q535550) → Mario (Q4803535)
Example 3Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Q2712053) → Dragon Ball (Q2020)
Example 4Dragon Ball GT (Q735669) → Dragon Ball (Q2020)
Example 5Ghost in the Shell (Q22575835) → Ghost in the Shell (Q92580)
Example 6Ghost in the Shell (Q259804) → Ghost in the Shell (Q92580)
Example 7Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (Q1776982) → Ghost in the Shell (Q92580)
Example 8Stargate: Resistance (Q3116405) → Stargate (Q11927)
Example 9Stargate SG-1 (Q187462) → Stargate (Q11927)

Motivation[edit]

media franchise (Q196600),

a collection of related media in which several derivative works have been produced from an original creative work of fiction, such as a film, a work of literature, a television program or a video game
— English Wikipedia
The intellectual property, related data, and content shared among a group of cultural objects to which one or more video games belong.
—Video Game Metadata Schema 4.0 (Q61639540)

At time of writing this there are 457 items with it as instance of (P31) (although many of them have more than one P31).

Right now media franchise (Q196600) are used with:

on characters:

present in work (P1441)
I think this is mostly fine modeling ; although formally characters are present in works (specific book or game) and franchises are not works, which would justify moving these relationships so Princess Peach (Q507001)<media franchise>Mario (Q4803535)
Also, relationships between characters and franchises is sometimes established through P31, via items like Mario franchise character (Q33093124)

on works, using:

part of the series (P179)
for video game (Q7889), this is distinct relationship. A game can be part of a series (or sub-series), and of a distinct overall franchise. For example, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Q2712053) is the second episode of the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi (Q63107942) series (following Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi (Q2414858) and followed by Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 (Q2520122)), but all belong to Dragon Ball (Q2020). Critically, “series” are expected to be ordered, and franchises are not (a work just belong to a franchise or not).
based on (P144)
these are made to model relationships between works, while the franchise is an overarching umbrella over all these works. For example, Resident Evil Survivor 2 – Code: Veronica (Q3282068) is based on Resident Evil – Code: Veronica (Q1050284) and both belong to the Resident Evil franchise. Similarly, Tomorrow Never Dies (Q1195880) (the game) is based on (P144) Tomorrow Never Dies (Q207916) (the movie), and both belong to the James Bond franchise ; but the game James Bond 007: Nightfire (Q161188) is not based on any James Bond movie (while still belonging to the James Bond franchise).
from narrative universe (P1080) / takes place in fictional universe (P1434)
formally universes are different than franchises. Also, universes is an in-universe concept (obviously!) while franchises are out-of-universe. Franchises are also more straightforward than universes when it comes to spin-offs (do Metal Gear Acid (Q2630695) or Metal Gear Survive (Q27534668) share the same universe as the rest of the Metal Gear series?) or canon/non-canon (Oh, gosh, Star Wars Legends (Q3551295)…) or alternate continuities/timelines − for example, the Tomb Raider (Q270503) video games span three distinct continuities (see also reboot (Q1343020)), and arguably the movies in a different one altogether − the same goes for the Resident Evil movies… It’s also true outside of games: the James Bond (Q844) movies take place in widely different eras − is that then still the same universe? Franchises are more straightforward: the whole of Metal Gear Something titles belong to Metal Gear (Q216655).
And practically there are:
Finally, many franchises do feel (to me at least) that they do not warrant a fictional universe item (although that may be my mistaken understanding of that concept): arguably the Back to the Future, James Bond or Indiana Jones movies ; or the Call of Duty games, take place in what looks enough like "our universe" that it would feel overkill to create a universe item about it.
See also the paper Relationships among video games: Existing standards and new definitions (Q50180192), which outlines “Franchise” and “Universe” (as well as “Series”) as distinct first-class grouping entities, the former defined as “A commonly used name that refers to the intellectual property, related data, and content shared among a group of cultural objects” and the latter as “An intellectual and/or creative domain represented by the recurrent ideas, themes, and/or settings from multiple video games or game series” (I personally find their explanations and definition of what a “universe” is very confusing and somewhat uncompelling ; but in general this serves my point that media franchise is a much better defined concept).
part of (P361)
which feels unspecific/unprecise

Other relevant properties are:

has spin-off (P2512)
to link a spin-off to the main series ; but that relationship is transversal: for example CSI: Cyber (Q16919551) is a spin-off of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (Q117396), and both belong to CSI (Q264198)
plot expanded in (P5940)
Another property linking works together ;
Current issues[edit]
Modeling
For games, the current situation leads to what I would view as bad modeling, with having items like:
Difficult querying
At the moment, there is no good way to list « all Dragon Ball video games” or “all works related to Pokemon”.


Elsewhere[edit]

Looking at what other databases are doing:

Literature:


Example[edit]
Notes[edit]

1. Usage of media franchise (Q196600) 

SELECT ?propertyItem ?propertyItemLabel (COUNT(?item) as ?count) WHERE{
  ?franchise wdt:P31 wd:Q196600.
  ?item ?propertyRel ?franchise.
  #?item wdt:P31 ?type.
  ?propertyItem wikibase:directClaim ?propertyRel.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
} GROUP BY ?propertyItem ?propertyItemLabel
Try it!

2. Most linked-to franchises: 

SELECT ?franchise ?franchiseLabel (COUNT(?item) as ?items) WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?franchise wdt:P31 wd:Q196600.
  ?item ?propertyRel ?franchise.
  ?propertyItem wikibase:directClaim ?propertyRel.
}
GROUP BY ?franchise ?franchiseLabel
ORDER BY DESC(?items)T
Try it!

3. Item types most-linked to franchises: 

SELECT ?type ?typeLabel (COUNT(?item) as ?items) WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?franchise wdt:P31 wd:Q196600.
  ?item ?propertyRel ?franchise.
  ?item wdt:P31 ?type.
  ?propertyItem wikibase:directClaim ?propertyRel.
}
GROUP BY ?type ?typeLabel
ORDER BY DESC(?items)
Try it!

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games --Jean-Fred (talk) 09:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Narration --Jean-Fred (talk) 09:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Fictional universes --Jean-Fred (talk) 09:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

@Jean-Frédéric, Trade, Misc, TomT0m, Shisma: @Valentina.Anitnelav, Nicereddy, Yair rand, Jura1, Discostu, Moebeus: media franchise (P8345) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 05:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jean-Frédéric: i am absolutely too late for this party - could you explain what will be the difference of 'media franchise' as it is discussed and created in the way above and the idea of the top-level entity "res" in the FRBR-data model as it is proposed here (p. 14). maybe i am wrong, but i think both concepts (frbr res and media franchise) will describe near the same concept, but media franchise has such an economic (capitalistic) bias. Mfchris84 (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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