Wikidata:Europeana Art History Challenge/Discussion

Europeana Art history challenge 15 April - 30 May, 2016 #Europeana280 / Art History Collections @ Europeana How to add a label How to add an image How to add pronunciation audio

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Why is it called 280?

• The original definition of the project at Europeana was "10 items per country of the European Union". So, 28 countries x 10 = 280. But in some cases the participating country chose to submit more than 10 to Europeana, which is great, because that means more high quality art metadata available in the Art Collections. You can see the full list at this search, and filtering by country on the left hand side: http://www.europeana.eu/portal/search?q=PROVIDER%3A%22Europeana+280%22
  

However, for the purposes of the Wikimedia competition - to make it a fair competition - we are limiting the set to 10 per country. When a country has submitted more than 10 to Europeana we have narrowed this down by prioritising Public Domain artworks and also to prioritise a diversity of partner GLAMs.

Also, because Norway, not an EU member but a partner of Europeana, wished to join. Wales then joined as a separate participating country. Therefore 300.

Finally, Hungary and Italy only selected 8 items each, reducing the total to 296. Wittylama (talk) 12:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

How to get in contact

You can subscribe to the challenge coordination mailinglist, tweet using the #Europeana280 hashtag; write to any of the Organisers; or leave a comment on this page, or any of the country specific pages. Wittylama (talk) 12:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

How were these items selected?

As described in the Introducing Europeana 280 blogpost, Europeana asked representatives of each EU member state (and Norway) to submit items from their own GLAM collections to the new Art History Collections website.

Each country's ministry/department of culture then made their own process for deciding these works.

• Some countries selected artworks that are already very well known; some selected those which should be better known.
• Some countries selected artworks by deliberately spreading the selection across their country's GLAMs, or artistic styles; other countries selected items from one style or collection.
• Some countries chose important artists from their country, others chose important artworks that currently are in their country, others where the artwork depicts their country.
• Finally, some countries have interpreted the concept of 'artwork' more broadly by including diverse media like manuscripts, stained glass, video-art...

None of these is "wrong" or "right" - but all make for an interestingly diverse selection! Wittylama (talk)

What country/flag do I participate as?

You can add the flag/country on the Participant's signup page that you are affiliated with. This does not mean you are restricted to only working on that country's artworks or associated languages. You do not have to live in a particular country, or be a member of it's user-group/chapter to affiliate yourself to that country. This choice will only affect which "national" prize you are eligible for, and will mean that local organisers can contact you more easily to invite you to any editathons. Just like the points - this is an honesty system. We trust people to affiliate to the country where they live, or a are a citizen of, when applicable. Wittylama (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

What does the country column mean?

The example for participants and country is a bit unclear. If I (a Swedish citizen) write about the Spanish "Walk on the beach" in English while I am in Denmark, what country should I list that on? My gut says Spain. Whatever it is, perhaps that could be made more clear? Ainali (talk) 10:48, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

That is a good question. User:Wittylama has set himself to Italy but has "Example new article on French.Wikipedia". — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 11:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

does this help, on the FAQ? Wikidata:Europeana_Art_History_Challenge/Discussion#What_country.2Fflag_do_I_participate_as.3F? In short Ainali and Fnielsen, the country/flag is about your affiliation - primarily for the national-winner points and for local coordinators to invite you to any events. Can you suggest a way to make it clear in the signup documentation? Feel free to Be Bold and add it yourself because I am away from the laptop for the next two weeks. Wittylama (talk) 09:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

"1 point: Adding a language label or description to the Wikidata item"?

Does that mean that you get two points for adding both label and description? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 11:44, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

that was what I meant when I wrote it. Yes. 1 point for a description, one point for a label. I see you've done quite a lot Fnielsen so don't forget to record your points! Does it also need to specify that people listed as national coordinators are eligible for prizes if they wish?Wittylama (talk) 16:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Shouldn't points only be counter for edits performed after the competition start in the middle of April? And yes, I have done some work on the Danish item, see User:Fnielsen/Autolists/Europeana 280. This was before I discovered that Wikidata editing would be part of the competition. :-) I do not think I will participate in the competition, as I am an organizer. — Finn Årup Nielsen

(fnielsen) (talk) 16:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

If you plan to assess Wikidata participation, personally, I'd award points for completing the 5 (or is it 10) core properties for each work. However, it might be an advantage if the items are already fairly complete before the competition. (Disclosure: I don't plan to participate in the competition or its organization, I did implement the column that counts Wikidata statements).
--- Jura 16:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Prizes

Need to be clarified: if someone wins global competition, will he get 200+20 (as he wins also local one), or do national prizes go to 2nd and 3rd best local performer? --Papuass (talk) 12:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Wittylama: Any thoughts? --Papuass (talk) 08:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

@Papuass: - my original thinking was that the national prize that would be also won by the 'global winners' should move to the next person from that country - e.g. "third place" from their country gets 20euros. More people can be 'winners' that way, and those countries with the most participants should be rewarded. However, if there isn't anyone else from that country who is participating, or they are not contactable, then I will ask the national coordinator from that country what they believe is the best option. Perhaps the national prize should go to the global winner (increasing their prize to 120), or perhaps there is another local community member who the national coordinator believes deserves some recognition (e.g. a newbie who participated but didn't register themselves for any points). How does that sound? Wittylama (talk) 08:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. --Papuass (talk) 08:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Should we translate the EAHC pages?

Should we translate the EAHC pages? For individual words it is possible with the Label template. But what about phrases and sentences? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 12:17, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Fnielsen - I am not confident with the translation extension, but if you are then you are welcome to set it up! The text of the main pages is quite stable. For the national pages then I leave it to the locals from those countries to completely change the layout or language of the page if they wish! Wittylama (talk) 11:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Mismatch

Mismatch between the pictures refereneted from wikidata to Commons and europeana. --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Languages

So does this page confirm once again that Turkish is an official language of Cyprus is a lie? --E4024 (talk) 14:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@E4024: what ? why ? this page doesn't claim anything about official linguistic policy of any country and clearly the list is not exhaustive (for example, there is ~100 languages with a more-or-less official status in France but only 5 are listed as taking part of the challenge). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@E4024: & VIGNERON. The list of languages in the project is derived initially from a list of 'official' and 'regional' languages, but there is very much no level of consistency (even among the various wikipedia articles relating to this topic - see for example Languages of the European Union#Regional, minority and other languages). Then, and this was very important - I asked the local coordinators WHICH wikipedias they were interested in supporting. For example, Spain listed 8 languages, and Norway indicated 3. Finally, when some people have asked to be included - e.g. Armenian - even though they're not classified as an EU language at all, there's no problem in adding that, if they want to be involved. So... I am perfectly happy to add Turkish to the project, No problem. However, I don't want to add languages that no one actually intends to support - otherwise it just means we have an empty column in the datasets. So, If you're willing and interested to actually write in Turkish about these works - then that is GREAT! But for the moment, Cyprus does not have very much coverage in ANY language of the project - See Wikidata:Europeana_Art_History_Challenge/Cyprus#translation so I don't want to just make the table even bigger for no benefit. Wittylama (talk) 09:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Using Wikidata data to inform Wikipedia on Wikipedia pages?

Is there a way to dynanmically import data from Wikidata to support an infobox on a Wikipedia page? Ie some kind of call on a template, instead of just editing the source Wikipedia page? Xcia0069 (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

On the English Wikipedia you can do this with, for exmaple, biographies - w:Template:Infobox_person/Wikidata. However, I don't believe the "artwork" infoboxes yet allow this. Can you confirm, Jane023? Wittylama (talk) 09:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

No not yet. So if anyone would like to work on that it would be great. I have thought of making something like this since before Wikidata was born, based on the Commons artwork template: the infobox would give me the image, title, creator, institution, and date. In Wikidata terms, these would be image (P18), label, creator (P170), collection (P195) (with or without inventory number (P217)) and inception (P571). Jane023 (talk) 10:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

On the Danish Wikipedia we have been using Wikidata a bit for Painting infobox, see w:da:Skabelon:Infoboks_maleri. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 19:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@Xcia0069, Wittylama, Jane023, Fnielsen: on the french Wikipedia, the infobox can entirely use Wikidata (via the template fr:Infobox Art, see an example on fr:Le Jardin de l'artiste à Giverny). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow - very nice! I am jealous. It would be great to have this on English Wikipedia! Too bad the community seems so upset about using Wikidata at all. Jane023 (talk) 16:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Problems with Wikipedia policies

This is a great initiative, but someone seemingly forgot to even as much mention that Wikipedia has rules such as en:WP:NOTABILITY which mean that not all artworks are important enough to have entries in Wikipedia; see for example en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaberbocchus some of the old favourites. I am monitoring Poland-related articles, and I commend this initiative for a noticeable spike in artworks I see in my feed, but frankly, a third if not a half of said entries seem to fail notability requirement. Many new participants may get annoyed when their work is deleted due to someone not explaining it clearly that Wikipedia is not a catalogue of artwork. --Piotrus (talk) 04:56, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Wikidata has a different function from Wikipedia and it is inappropriate, at best, for any editor here to encourage article creation at en-wp. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

About the artwork The Scream

I've noticed that there are two items about Munch's artwork The Scream. The one is Q18891156 that is registered in the list of Norway with only one Wikipedia article in simple English and the other is Q471379 with 57 entries. Which item should we use? Pavlos1988 (talk) 12:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata grill not reflecting actual articles

Hi, I spotted blanks in the table about articles written in Basque that actually exist. Should a number (Q...) be assigned in the Wikidata page in order to reflect Wikipedia articles, or did the bot just failed? Thanks! Iñaki LL (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

About the artwork Madonna

I've noticed that it's item also was wrong (like the one of The Scream). It was created in Ukrainian, was on the list (683) but after some troubles with data element, it just disappeared, and that's a bit sad. --Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding both the Madonna and Scream works (ping Pavlos1988 & Andrew J.Kurbiko): both of these are artwork "series", several paintings by the same artist on the same theme/composition etc. There was some confusion (and disagreement between the different wikipeida editions about 'notability') about if the museum wanted to talk about the "specific" artwork or the "series". This question is also very common in Wikidata when we're trying to identify "specific" historic books or prints, versus the several copies of that publication that might exist around the world... Oh data structures... such frustration :-) Wittylama (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Wittylama: I intended to take part in special Norwegian best article contest, and seemed to fail during the qualification. Now I see why, thanx. I used 4 different versions in my article:) Hope nobody would not be angry,,, hah. --Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)