Wikidata:Property proposal/Class

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School class[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

   Done: school class (P7174) (Talk and documentation)
Description(qualifier) class of a given year/time period to which the person belonged in an educational institution
Representsclass (Q18204)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Jacques Pâris de Bollardière (Q3159824)Q51575944 (educated at (P69): Ecole Spéciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr (Q1132066))
Example 2Ségolène Royal (Q81923)Q51541339 (educated at (P69): École nationale d'administration (Q273579))
Example 3Nanette Blitz Konig (Q21290374)Q52153713 (educated at (P69): Amsterdam Jewish Lyceum (Q18285982))
Example 4Dwight D. Eisenhower (Q9916)the class the stars fell on (Q2052312) (educated at (P69): United States Military Academy (Q9219))
Proposed byNomen ad hoc

IMHO, would be useful as a qualifier of educated at (P69), instead of member of (P463), which is not allowed there. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

Runner1928 (talk) 22:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC) —M@sssly 10:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC) DarTar (talk) 04:19, 18 February 2016 (UTC) Abreu Guilherme (talk) 23:59, 19 March 2016 (UTC) Netha --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2018 (UTC) Tris T7 TT me Tris T7 (talk) Vahurzpu (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC) Jinoytommanjaly (talk)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Education. And Ayack & Un historien who helped me designing this proposal. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

Discussion[edit]

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment 'Cohort' is another term similarly used in this context: a group of students entering school at the same time and expecting to graduate at the same time. Cohort graduation rates calculate what percentage of an initial cohort actually graduated within some number of years. This proposal for 'class' is a little different: it's the group of students who actually did graduate together. Simultaneous completers, as it were. How is this proposal for 'class' different than adding end time (P582) as a qualifier to educated at (P69)? Runner1928 (talk) 18:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Why not widdening the property to the cohors, indeed? And it is different because a given school can have various courses (just as the given example of the ENA)... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC).
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 05:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Ayack (talk) 07:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Would be useful for modeling some alumni information I've been working with Vahurzpu (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • There needs to be a decision about whether the property should be called "school class" or "school cohort". ChristianKl❫ 15:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
    ChristianKl: which concept is more generic and could be broad enough to cover the other, according to you? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC).
    OK, let's prefer "class", with "cohort" as an alias. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2019 (UTC).
  • Symbol support vote.svg SupportStudiesWorld (talk) 00:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, logical property.--Arbnos (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question @Nomen ad hoc: Should we expect the creation of items for every combination of educational institution and date?
Indeed the proposal seems useful for notable/named items like Q51541339 that may also have additional statements (see also the class the stars fell on (Q2052312) for an interesting example, though a bit convoluted). On the other side, having countless yearly items for a random school sounds suboptimal as opposed to just having the date as a qualifier. Maybe some clarifications on use and notability? Your third example gives some hint to what could happen if we'd start to have one item for every school class on earth. ----Nono314 (talk) 15:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi Nono314,
    of course not, we shoudn't expect that. I take the third example because this class is notable enough to be the subject of an article on the Dutch Wikipedia (so ipso facto notable enough for Wikidata too); apparently they are also serious sources about Anne Frank's classmates. Thank you for providing the example of Q2052312 (which is indeed very interesting). Would you have any suggestions about notability standards? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC).
    • I admit that one got me puzzled, until I found out the sitelink at the bottom, but yeah Nomen ad hoc I understand why it's notable ;). My concern however is that:
- there are relatively few ones that may be worth an item (and if there are few of them they may be handled through member of (P463))
- a much larger number would look like, say "US Military Academy Class of 1983": this is still interesting to record but is IMHO better handled through a date qualifier than 200+ specific items (that was the object of by main question).
- and in worst scenario the third example could pave the way for items like 6eA in Petaouchnok which some "celebrity" attended, but let's consider this can be addressed by standard patrolling --Nono314 (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Responded on your talk page. Cheers, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC).

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, ChristianKl, Nomen ad hoc, Nono314, Runner1928, Vahurzpu: @StudiesWorld, Ayack, Jura1, Arbnos: ✓ Done: school class (P7174). − Pintoch (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)