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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person
- Comment I take it that this is for https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/school_class . Maybe it's worth completing the English description with "class of a given year". --- Jura 15:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment 'Cohort' is another term similarly used in this context: a group of students entering school at the same time and expecting to graduate at the same time. Cohort graduation rates calculate what percentage of an initial cohort actually graduated within some number of years. This proposal for 'class' is a little different: it's the group of students who actually did graduate together. Simultaneous completers, as it were. How is this proposal for 'class' different than adding end time (P582) as a qualifier to educated at (P69)? Runner1928 (talk) 18:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support David (talk) 05:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Ayack (talk) 07:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Would be useful for modeling some alumni information I've been working with Vahurzpu (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- There needs to be a decision about whether the property should be called "school class" or "school cohort". ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- SupportStudiesWorld (talk) 00:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support, logical property.--Arbnos (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Question @Nomen ad hoc: Should we expect the creation of items for every combination of educational institution and date?
- Indeed the proposal seems useful for notable/named items like Q51541339 that may also have additional statements (see also the class the stars fell on (Q2052312) for an interesting example, though a bit convoluted). On the other side, having countless yearly items for a random school sounds suboptimal as opposed to just having the date as a qualifier. Maybe some clarifications on use and notability? Your third example gives some hint to what could happen if we'd start to have one item for every school class on earth. ----Nono314 (talk) 15:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Nono314,
- of course not, we shoudn't expect that. I take the third example because this class is notable enough to be the subject of an article on the Dutch Wikipedia (so ipso facto notable enough for Wikidata too); apparently they are also serious sources about Anne Frank's classmates. Thank you for providing the example of Q2052312 (which is indeed very interesting). Would you have any suggestions about notability standards? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC).
- I admit that one got me puzzled, until I found out the sitelink at the bottom, but yeah Nomen ad hoc I understand why it's notable ;). My concern however is that:
- - there are relatively few ones that may be worth an item (and if there are few of them they may be handled through member of (P463))
- - a much larger number would look like, say "US Military Academy Class of 1983": this is still interesting to record but is IMHO better handled through a date qualifier than 200+ specific items (that was the object of by main question).
- - and in worst scenario the third example could pave the way for items like 6eA in Petaouchnok which some "celebrity" attended, but let's consider this can be addressed by standard patrolling --Nono314 (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)