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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

(Sorry to write in Engilsh)

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Intercommunalité, capitale et siège social

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VIGNERON (talkcontribs)

Salut,

Je vois que tu viens d'ajouter la propriété capital (P36) sur certaines intercommunalités mais Pymouss me fait remarquer que la propriété headquarters location (P159) serait plus adaptée. En tout cas un certain nombre d'interco utilisent effectivement P159 et certaines utilisent même les deux en doublons...

Qu'en penses-tu ? As-tu des objections à utiliser uniquement P159 ? Si non, je propose de demander un changement de propriété sur Wikidata:Bot requests et de faire une sous-page de documentation sur Wikidata:WikiProject France.

Cdlt,

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Salut,

Sur le moment capital (P36) m'a semblé logique, comme pour toutes les entités administratives, alors que headquarters location (P159) est dans mon esprit davantage lié à une entreprise. J'aurais sans doute dû prendre le temps de vérifier davantage ce qui était utilisé sur les cas existants... Pas d'objection particulière si vous voulez normaliser ça. Je pense même que ça doit pouvoir se faire assez bien avec Petscan pour la supression et repasser HarvestTemplate avec la bonne propriété, sans avoir à demander à un bot.

Bonne soirée à toi.

VIGNERON (talkcontribs)

Salut, J'ai pensé à utiliser la méthode que tu cites mais toutes les déclarations ne viennent peut-être pas des infoboxes, certains ont pu être corrigées ou complétés depuis, ou bien peuvent avoir des qualificatifs ou des rangs. Du coup, un bot me semble plus propre. Sur le fond, l'argument de Pymouss est qu'une intercommunalité n'est pas vraiment une entité territoriale mais plutôt une institution (donc effectivement plus près d'une entreprise) et que dans la vie courante comme dans les textes de loi, on parle bien de « siège ».

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Multichill (talkcontribs)

Articles like fr:Intérieurs hollandais with multiple infoboxes always cause problems with automated tools. How did you end up on Dutch Interiors (I, II, and III) (Q3153785)? I linked it to the individual paintings and I would like to prevent people from adding collection again.

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for fixing it Multichill.

I was harvesting Infobox Art from frwiki since a number of those had no statements and many others where missing useful data. In such a case, there are always a few wrong edits and I always try to spot them on the fly. I indeed fixed some of them, but this one was really difficult to spot unless you are aware of it in the first place.

I think one way to avoid this would be to submit a change to HarvestTemplate that would check whether there are several instances of the sought template, and would output an error in that case, just as it does with constraint violations. This would probably also be useful when handling templates that use ids for linking to external sites. What do you think?

Multichill (talkcontribs)

Or is it possible to skip instance of (P31) -> painting series (Q15727816) ?

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

This sounds like a pretty narrow use case, and not something that would go into a generic tool. Maybe a {{Constraint:Conflicts with}} constraint on collection (P195)? And even this way there are many perfectly valid uses.

Sample of currently existing situations:

Multichill (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I know. I generally just slap on the collection (P195) on the painting series and create the individual paintings later. Sometimes are works are actually in the same collection so adding collection to the painting series is correct. Would be nice to keep the automated tools away from these kind of cases, just not sure how.

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Multichill (talkcontribs)

I noticed you updated a couple of items. I don't believe series (P179) -> The Simpsons (Q886) is entirely correct. The Simpsons (Q886) is about a TV series, not about a series of comic books. Probably better to create a new item for the comic book series and link them together using from fictional universe (P1080).

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Hi Multichill

Thanks for pointing this out. I agree with you and I suppose this is a common caveat when importing from Wikipedia which tends to group those things under a single article. I've updated the items as you suggested.

I also found a few other cases where there is a mix of animated series and comic book series, but less than could be expected. And for those, the linked articles are actually more focused on the comic books.

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Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

Salut, j'ai vu que tu as précisé les dates de cet architecte. Mais il n'y a aucune source... pourrais-tu m'indiquer d'où viennent ces dates, stp ?

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20165924&diff=362017401&oldid=362017367

En effet, mes sources à la BNF et autres n'indiquent rien de tel... Merci d'avance... :)

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Salut,

Les dates proviennent de l'INHA via l'id AGORHA présent sur l'item (http://agorha.inha.fr/inhaprod/jsp/reference.jsp?reference=INHA__PERSONNES__80839).

Cette source est particulèrement utile pour les architectes car ils disposent de tous les dossiers d'élèves de l'ENSBA.

J'essaie de maximiser l'impact du boulot fait sur Mix'n'match en synthétisant les infos données par les différents catalogues. :-)

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

super merci ! cette adresse va m'être très utile, y compris professionnellement, où je dois faire les notices de dizaines d'architectes :))

j'ai également trouvé une source aux Chartes, que j'ai mise en référence des statements...

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

et j'ai ajouté la réf sur les dates... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20165924&action=history

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Ravi d'avoir pu t'être utile !

Idéalement, je rêverais de voir le Sourcerer de Magnus ajouter des références basées sur les principaux catalogues de Mix'n'match...

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

je n'ai jamais réussi à comprendre comment fonctionne Sourcerer, ni à l'utiliser, malheureusement... je travaille essentiellement manuellement, et avec quelques outils semi-automatisés.

La dernière création de Magnus, qui permet l'import des références depouis les wikisources (quand ils sont correctement sourcés) est assez géniale. Il n'y a même pas besoin de comprendre les langues utilisées :D

J'essaie toujours de sourcer les dates, surtout quand il y en a plusieurs différentes pour une personne... c'est parce que Laffolye a une notice sur wikisource que j'ai constaté le problème, grâce à notre modèle LUA, qui signale ce genre d'incohérence, et les catégorise pour traitement...

Merci en tout cas. et bonne nuit.

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Kopiersperre (talkcontribs)

Hi Non314,

where did you know, that your Claude Bourdelin (Q21165689) was meant and not de:Claude Bourdelin?

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Hi,

"my" Claude Bourdelin, as you name it, was initially created by Magnus' Reinheitsgebot, if you look at revision history, as a missing element from FRS catalog and, as such, included from the beginning a description with birth/death dates (20 June 1667 - 20 April 1711) which obviously does not match those in the dewiki article (which is actually his father). I only explicited that as statements in the item and tried to make as clear as possible the differences between the two persons to avoid any future confusions.

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Léna (talkcontribs)

Merci pour avoir corrigé ma fausse manip, je pensais l'avoir complètement revertée mais non :(

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Tu avais fait le plus gros du boulot (rétablir la source), j'ai fait le plus simple (reverter la destination) 😊

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Mith (talkcontribs)

Bonjour, je ne comprend pas pourquoi cette suppression ? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q24074684&diff=next&oldid=337426532 Dans l'attente d'une explication, cordialement.

Nono314 (talkcontribs)

Bonjour, tout simplement car elle est incorrecte, utilisant une propriété inadéquate.

Comme son nom l'indique, DNB editions (P1292) s'applique à des éditions d'ouvrages, ce que n'est clairement pas Antoine-Léonce Guyot-Montpayroux. La description de cette propriété indique bien qu'il faut utiliser à la place GND ID (P227) pour les notices d'autorité des personnes. L'information étant présente avec la bonne propriété, il n'est pas utile de garder la mauvaise...

Je peux peut-être suggérer l'utilisation de User:Magnus Manske/authority control.js, c'est pratique et en 2 clics ça ajoute les identifiants avec les bonnes propriétés correspondantes.

Cordialement

Mith (talkcontribs)

ok, merci beaucoup

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